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10:00 PM
@GraceNote I think it's cross-stitch
I think I will make meatloaf for dinner
@GnomeSlice pretty much
and sweet potatoes
@GraceNote Cross-stitch. Saw it on Sprite Stitch :D
@GraceNote Get a proper avatar on AU already!
10:00 PM
@spugsley mmm sweet potatoes
@BenBrocka srsly
@Frank Then why bother to have reasons for flagging. Just have a "this sucks" flag and get it over with.
@DavidM And I'm fine with that. I just think it's a rather specious reason to reopen things.
@FEichinger I already have a Pokemon on another site!
@Frank Not true, because close reasons are intended to help people improve, so if we mess that up, they don't get clarity.
10:01 PM
@AshleyNunn This
Gonna make a zero button game. Downloads, installs itself, wins automatically. Goes viral, everyone hates me forever.
@GraceNote Is it one of those awful shinies that's neon green?
@BenBrocka No.
@GnomeSlice It's called Progress Quest.
@GnomeSlice Too bad there's a lot of those already
10:01 PM
@GraceNote Well, then that's still your fault and you should still change your AU avatar.
I think a glance at the image that's buried somewhere in the stars list and it'll be pretty obvious.
ODd, I would have expected that from you
@AshleyNunn For new users, I'd agree wholeheartedly.
@Frank For -anyone-.
@Frank We can't have different standards for different people.
10:02 PM
Either way, I dunno why I'm arguing this one so hard.
I don't even care about it that much.
You close my question as "off topic", and you really mean "unclear"? I am just as fucked as a new user.
Even if they should know better.
@Chippies up for some Recon Arena?
@RedRiderX PVP is a go
@GnomeSlice eww
10:03 PM
@Frank See, this is a problem. First you hammer into people about how terribly wrong they are, then you say you "don't care about it that much".
@FEichinger I don't care about the question.
I care very much that dissenting opinions are apparently an optional thing on meta posts.
@Chippies =[
Folkdroon the Enchanted Motorcycle, my level 63 Puma Burglar, is on Act XVI
@Frank Post it anyway, who cares what they think.
@Frank To be honest, neither do I. But, I feel an obligation to fairly adjudicate it.
10:04 PM
@Frank I think then you are most definitely having the wrong argument in this particular room.
Because it appears that you care a lot about the question, or off-topic reasons.
@Frank Maybe there aren't any, maybe people don't feel comfortable writing it up, there could be a whole pile of things.
Q: How can I kill Kerbals? From what drop height can they not survive?

James Of Da PeachWhat are all the ways a Kerbal in KSP might die? I know that they always wear space suits, so they (seemingly) can't suffocate. Side Question: How far must a Kerbal fall to die?

@AshleyNunn If there aren't any, then the consensus is whatever opinion's on Meta. That's the whole point of Meta, is to argue and discuss the relative merits.
@Frank Well, my apologies that my comment somehow didn't take.
@Frank Unless people don't feel like it needs discussion.
@Frank You can admit that you enjoy the arguing more than the actual question.
10:06 PM
Or they don't feel like arguing, because they feel attacked or unheard or a million other reasons.
If you can't be bothered to argue why you think a question should stick around/be deleted, then it doesn't deserve any special treatment.
@DavidM I probably do.
Meta isn't just a place for people to argue shit, it is a place for us to figure out site issues. So maybe there won't be both sides for everything.
@Frank Who doesn't.
@Frank By posting it, though, someone has.
@Frank There's a question that gives a dissenting opinion to yours - and a comment stream that details that. As well as downvotes on your answer. What else do you expect in terms of "dissenting opinions"?
10:07 PM
@FEichinger A meta answer, obviously.
To be honest, my reason for not posting initially was that I agreed with the reasoning set forth in the meta question.
That details why it should stick around.
Either way, I'm tired of trying to help in a community run site that doesn't really seem to be community run.
I think it's time for me to take a break.
@Frank By posting the question, usually someone states why their question should be there. And then people might disagree, as you have done. Not everything needs to be listed with every option - in fact, we kinda discourage answers created as a source of merely polling opinions - we want this stuff to come up naturally from the community.
@Frank I really, really do not like this allegation.
In other news
@Frank No one will beg you to stay. No one will ask you to go. We will miss your presence as you are a part of the group.
10:09 PM
Q: Big Spender VIP

user68987When do you use the "Big Spender" VIP? While orders are being placed, or when all slots are stocked? I keep getting this VIP and don't really know when to utilize him.

@badp whoooa we were the top
@badp SF is a lot lower than I would expect.
Also, go us!
@fredley Yeah, I'm wondering about that.
@badp SF is going down?
10:10 PM
@AshleyNunn The fact is, Meta is where we go to decide issues. That's the whole point of it. To have that ignored is where we fall flat as a community.
It's not about Meta; it never has been.
@Frank I think this is a very incorrect statement.
It's always been about how people want to vote, regardless of what we do on Meta.
@Frank And again: How is it being ignored? The question has been up for an hour, give or take. Votes are presenting an opinion as well.
@fredley You do know I can click edit on your post and see right through your lies.
10:11 PM
@FEichinger For this one, it's not. It's working as intended.
@Frank you cannot possibly police every vote ever. That's the whole point of the anonymous voting. But for the most part, we make rules as best as we can, without being rules lawyers over every bit of everything. We try as best we can to keep consensus.
Q: Opposing viewpoints are needed if you disagree with a closure

FrankAs I was doing my daily browsing today, I noticed that one of our questions had been reopened. Normally, this would be a cause for celebration, for we have improved a question to be acceptable to our standards. Unfortunately, in this case, the question is still completely unacceptable. It was ...

That's my stance on what Meta's about.
And that's not how it works.
@Frank not everyone loves Meta or arguing.
@Frank Then why on Earth are you bitching about it?
5 mins ago, by Frank
If you can't be bothered to argue why you think a question should stick around/be deleted, then it doesn't deserve any special treatment.
10:13 PM
Everyone is going to approach this differently, because we are all different people. Expecting everyone to follow rules you set out because that is how you like things is not going to work in a group this size.
@NickT the fact that you snuck your edits within the 5 minute edit window (thus avoiding the "edited" and "history" indicators might have contributed there. ;)
@AshleyNunn This is why I rarely contribute to meta. It's all arguing, and I have neither the time nor sanity for that.
and tags.
ditto for tags >.>
@John And I know you are not the only one.
@Frank This can be a good idea to do once in a while. I do the same myself. When site stuff starts becoming more of a source of stress than enjoyment, it's usually time to step back a little and take a break for your own sanity.
@FAE I do this!
10:14 PM
@Frank Do we require people to comment on a downvote?
@FAE So long as taking that break doesn't involve you missing Monster Hunter saturdays.
@Wipqozn I've been doing this!
@Wipqozn Of course not.
Though, not intentionally. This past weekend, I overslept. :(
Err, I mean, your health and happiness is the most important thing, not making sure I have awesome people to play monster hunter with!
10:15 PM
@Fluttershy Shame on you.
@FAE And where are you on Monster Hunter Saturdays? Hmm? Hmmmm!?
@Fluttershy I think I've only played monster hunter with you once.
night all!
@Fluttershy I don't have a WiiU! I'd join if I could!
@kalina Sleep well!
10:16 PM
OK, I'm going to jump in the shower. For those whom that conjures unwelcome imagery, I apologize. For those whom find that titillating I apologize, likewise.
@Wipqozn Yeah, because you're never around when I feel like playing. You run on old man @Sterno time.
@kalina Goodnight! :D
@Fluttershy It's true. I'm basically an old man.
I go to bed at 10 and get up at 6.
Well, except on weekends.
@Wipqozn Wow, that is grandpa time.
On weekends I'll get up at 8.
...but it's usually closer to 7
retroactively retracts vote from @Wipqozn
10:17 PM
@Wipqozn Teach me to be old.
@John Get a cane and complain about kids being on your lawn.
Wait nevermind, all these 15 year old Olympians already are
"them damn kids always on my lawn!"
@John Did you see any videos of that Russian girl who won the figure skating competition?
One of them anyways.
@Wipqozn I did see parts of one Russian girl that made like 10 points higher than anyone else before her
"damn kids, get off my LAN!" - modern day grandpa
10:18 PM
It's ridiculous. She's so skilled. Skilled isn't even a strong enough word for it.
@badp But old people are good since we'll be around when you youngins' are asleeping!
or smoking crack. Whatever you kids do today.
@Wipqozn I think your awake times are a full subset of Ashley's :P
@Chippies I wish I had more people on my LAN :(
Here's a fun fact: More than 100 PS4 games are planned for release in 2014. Stay tuned for more updates from today's media summit
@badp That sounds likely.
Damn kids.
@John then you're not old enough :P
10:20 PM
If 75% of them hit that release goal that's pretty impressive
@BenBrocka I'm excite!
(Though TBQH, Vader should be the Dean, or the Football Coach, and not just a bully. Make Boba Fett the Bully.)
Q: How does skipping taxi rides work?

Alan BSingle player. Sometimes when I start a taxi journey I get the option to skip. Sometimes I don't. Any character, any length of journey. Before I owned the cab company and after. All characters have millions in cash. Is it just broken?

10:23 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz @FAE has never seen a John Hughes movie. She just informed me of this.
@Fluttershy ...
@Wipqozn I like your lawn.
Oh. She's seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
@LessPop_MoreFizz I resent this remark.
10:26 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz Not me! :D
This is the best thing.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Depends on which culture you're speaking of.
Who is John Hughes?
@GnomeSlice inb4 raeg
@LessPop_MoreFizz I would have thought the empire to be the Jocks
@GnomeSlice @LessPop_MoreFizz I KNOW THIS MUCH AT LEAST
10:27 PM
@Krazer Yeah, with Vader as Football Coach makes a little more sense to me than Vader as Bully personally. But this is quibbling with an amazing thing.
John Wilden Hughes, Jr. (February 18, 1950 – August 6, 2009) was an American film director, producer, and screenwriter. He directed or scripted some of the most successful films of the 1980s and 1990s, including National Lampoon's Vacation; Ferris Bueller's Day Off; Weird Science; The Breakfast Club; Some Kind of Wonderful; Sixteen Candles; Pretty in Pink; Planes, Trains and Automobiles; Uncle Buck; Home Alone and Home Alone 2: Lost in New York. He is known as the king of teen movies as well as helping launch the careers of actors including Michael Keaton, Molly Ringwald, Anthony Micha...
@LessPop_MoreFizz football coach wouldn't cut off luke's hand (or break it with a bat)
@GnomeSlice Ha.
What kinda softie football coaches do YOU have?
Literally every football coach in the history of the universe has been a literal sociopath.
10:30 PM
@Wipqozn I dunno about every, but it is definitely a statistically significant subset.
@Wipqozn There is literally not enough literal hyperbole in that literal sentence.
@Yuki Literally.
@fredley Why would you play this over an actual tron game?
@GnomeSlice 1) They already own minecraft 2) Making mods/et cetera is fun
10:33 PM
I guess that makes sense.
@GnomeSlice Because something geeky * something geeky == something awesome
@fredley something geeky squared = something awesome
@fredley So the root of something awesome is something geeky?
@Wipqozn No, it doesn't work if it's the same thing
therefore soemthing geeky = the root of something awesome
10:34 PM
@Wipqozn NO IT IS NOT
@fredley You forgot the else then
okay I get it
You MEANT to say x * y =z, but you said x * x = z
Now I want to play Armagetron.
@FAE <3
10:36 PM
@GnomeSlice I played a lot of it in high school.
@FAE Me too!
(Audio is, obviously, NSFW.)
Article is fine and it doesn't auto play though.
@Wipqozn FINE
@LessPop_MoreFizz Why would you read somebody's private stuff like that
10:38 PM
@GnomeSlice Because they're famous.
According to humanity, famous people have no such thing as privacy.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Oh, by the way, I got something here you might actually like
Everybody knows that famous people don't deserve privacy. They should just dance around for our amusement.
@Wipqozn A lot of them do.
Well, dance then, @Wipqozn!
@FEichinger d'awwww, okay. I will.
10:40 PM
@GnomeSlice James Joyce is on the shortlist of the 5 or 10 writers that you can legitimately call "The Greatest Writer In The History Of The English Language", in just about any sort of literarily inclined company and have nobody even blink or second guess the legitimacy of your selection.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Is that good?
@GnomeSlice James Joyce is pretty fucking great, yes.
Quite a few ass shots in there, so NSFW
@LessPop_MoreFizz This is truth.
10:41 PM
@Wipqozn That song is so nasty
@LessPop_MoreFizz Oh my.
@Wipqozn this is really inappropriate
Any GTA5'ers here?
Also, @GnomeSlice, you do know that James Joyce has been dead for 70 years, right?
@Wipqozn So?
10:42 PM
@GnomeSlice That changes the whole privacy thing. It's basically history now.
And by "basically" i mean actually.
Literally. All that jazz.
Private history.
@AshleyNunn Yeah. I mean, pronouncements of 'the greatest ever' are hard and all, but there is a short list of people who you can just toss out their name and not even really have to defend it.
If we find letters from Ancient Rome do you think we should read them, or destroy them?
@LessPop_MoreFizz Fraud?
@Wipqozn Depends on whether or not they're letters from the emperor to his wife about what position he wants to try that night or not.
10:44 PM
@GnomeSlice well, I disagree 100%, but at least you're consistent, so that's fine. You're welcome to have an opinion which differs from my own. I guess.
@Wipqozn Seeing a tortoise wiggle to Benny Benassi is... not something I ever thought I'd be watching. I'm not sure whether to thank you or hurt you.
@FAE The latter.
@GnomeSlice That would give valuable insight into the sexual behaviors of ancient civilizations. That's anthropology in a nutshell.
@DemCodeLines I've played through the campaign. Not much online though.
@gnomeslice are you talking about the various conspiracy theories about whether Shakespeare wrote his own plays?
10:45 PM
@Yuki Truth.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Yes, wasn't it the duke of oxford or something
In other news, I'm installign STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl. I've never played.
Because while those exist, even the people that perpetuate them are not about to disagree that whoever the writer was, he was a titan of English Literature.
@GnomeSlice There is no "Duke of Oxford".
Oxford isn't a duchy, it's a city.
Q: Who wrote Shakespeare's plays?

JivlainOne of the premises of a new film, "Anonymous", due to come out in a couple of weeks, is that Shakespeare's plays were authored by Edward de Vere, instead of by Shakespeare. The producers have also created educational materials arguing that Shakespeare was a fraud. The notion that de Vere was th...

10:47 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz PRetty much.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Yeah, I wasn't arguing with that.
@Yuki You're a city!
Whenever I read Shakespeare, I just want to recite it out loud.
I thought to myself "I bet there's a skeptics question on this!",a nd then there was.
@FAE As was intended.
I never liked shakespeare to be honest
I'm not smart enough for that shit
@FAE I actually do not like the flow and cadence of shakespeare
10:48 PM
@Wipqozn Aye, but it's not good to do in public. :P
@GnomeSlice Actually, I'm pretty certain there's a town in Texas that bears my name.
It makes it hard for my brain to keep track of the words and follow them.
@AshleyNunn Iambic pentameter not your thing?
@FAE pfft, public morals.
@FAE Whenever I read Shakespeare I just want Tom Hiddleston to read it to me instead
10:48 PM
@FAE I can't hold onto it.
@spugsley That is completely unrelated.
@spugsley hahaha
Then I just hear the beat of the words and not the words
@GnomeSlice It can be tough to read.
@spugsley You can say that about pretty much any book you read, @spugsley. It doesn't have to be Shakespeare.
10:49 PM
and then I have no idea what people are saying
@GnomeSlice no, it's the most related
I used to be really smart.
@spugsley Oh, okay.
Add in the complex words and structure and I just....can't do it
(I really make a terrible English major)
@Yuki truth but I can actually find him online reading Shakespeare so yeah
@AshleyNunn He gave us so many words! Like bedroom!
10:49 PM
@AshleyNunn I'm glad I'm not the only one!
@FAE I don't think we'd miss the word if it had never been invented.
@FAE Which I appreciate, as a maker of new words when current ones don't work. But I just.....I dunno.
Ok time to go make meatloaf
I fail.
@spugsley OMG so jealous.
In #Sochi2014, JP's figure skating duo used the song Ona Hei via Shogun II! #MusicMonday http://t.co/jb1yWpU5KK
@GnomeSlice I happen to be quite fond of the word "bedroom", tyvm.
10:51 PM
@GnomeSlice A lot of people have trouble with shakespeare. You're not the only one, not by a very wide margin.
@GnomeSlice Ha, that's pretty awesome.
@AshleyNunn Oh it's definitely understandable. I am just fond, myself. :) But I do find it hard to follow too if I don't already know the text.
That's a pretty rad song.
I need to play shogun 2. I've got it in my library.
Maybe I'll play Shogun 2 after Stalker.
@FAE Teeheehee.
@FAE I've read and seen Romeo and Juliet a fair number of times but I just....like I know how it goes because I know how it goes but I can't sit and watch and follow the going
@AshleyNunn I hate Romeo and Juliet for different reasons.
10:56 PM
@Yuki oh, it is full of problems
Mostly because of its ridiculous mis-application and mis-interpretation by mass media.
"Romeo and Juliet is such a great love story." No. It's a tragedy and Romeo and Juliet are stupid little teenagers caught up in what they believe is true love because they're stupid little teenagers.
@Yuki But it's so ~*romantic*~ for young teens to meet and become infatuated and commit suicide.
@Yuki Yeah, that.
Romeo and Juliet is terrible.
10:58 PM
Q: I cant get my minecraft game to work!

gamur girl stuffso, i was playing my mine craft game,you know, building a house, mining for diamonds. And i wanted to turn command blocks on (i don't know, don't ask..) so i tested some stuff out, i looked through the settings.... finding all this stuff.. and this was back when 1.6.1 was new and everything, and ...

Quite frankly, Romeo and Juliet is essentially a well-written Twilight: how not to go about a romantic relationship.
That said, that still didn't stop me from at one point having the balcony scene memorized.
@FAE Totally!
@Yuki Don't fall in love with a vampire?
@John About on par with "don't commit a lover's suicide with a guy you met literally just that month".

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