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FAE

10:00 PM

@GraceNote I think it's cross-stitch

spugsley

I think I will make meatloaf for dinner

Ben Brocka

@GnomeSlice pretty much

spugsley

and sweet potatoes

user15026

@GraceNote Cross-stitch. Saw it on Sprite Stitch :D

FEichinger

@GraceNote Get a proper avatar on AU already!

FAE

10:00 PM

@spugsley mmm sweet potatoes

GnomeSlice

@BenBrocka srsly

David M

@Frank Then why bother to have reasons for flagging. Just have a "this sucks" flag and get it over with.

Frank

@DavidM And I'm fine with that. I just think it's a rather specious reason to reopen things.

Grace Note

@FEichinger I already have a Pokemon on another site!

user15026

@Frank Not true, because close reasons are intended to help people improve, so if we mess that up, they don't get clarity.

David M

10:01 PM

@AshleyNunn This

GnomeSlice

Gonna make a zero button game. Downloads, installs itself, wins automatically. Goes viral, everyone hates me forever.

Tweeted by Worthless_Bums on February 8, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Ben Brocka

@GraceNote Is it one of those awful shinies that's neon green?

Grace Note

@BenBrocka No.

Powerlord

@GnomeSlice It's called Progress Quest.

badp

@GnomeSlice Too bad there's a lot of those already

FEichinger

10:01 PM

@GraceNote Well, then that's still your fault and you should still change your AU avatar.

Grace Note

I think a glance at the image that's buried somewhere in the stars list and it'll be pretty obvious.

Ben Brocka

ODd, I would have expected that from you

Frank

@AshleyNunn For new users, I'd agree wholeheartedly.

user15026

@Frank For -anyone-.

David M

@Frank We can't have different standards for different people.

Frank

10:02 PM

Either way, I dunno why I'm arguing this one so hard.

I don't even care about it that much.

user15026

You close my question as "off topic", and you really mean "unclear"? I am just as fucked as a new user.

David M

Even if they should know better.

GnomeSlice

@Chippies up for some Recon Arena?

=P

fredley

@RedRiderX PVP is a go

Chippies

@GnomeSlice eww

FEichinger

10:03 PM

@Frank See, this is a problem. First you hammer into people about how terribly wrong they are, then you say you "don't care about it that much".

Frank

@FEichinger I don't care about the question.

I care very much that dissenting opinions are apparently an optional thing on meta posts.

GnomeSlice

@Chippies =[

badp

Folkdroon the Enchanted Motorcycle, my level 63 Puma Burglar, is on Act XVI

GnomeSlice

@Frank Post it anyway, who cares what they think.

David M

@Frank To be honest, neither do I. But, I feel an obligation to fairly adjudicate it.

user15026

10:04 PM

@Frank I think then you are most definitely having the wrong argument in this particular room.

user15026

Because it appears that you care a lot about the question, or off-topic reasons.

user15026

@Frank Maybe there aren't any, maybe people don't feel comfortable writing it up, there could be a whole pile of things.

fredley

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Q: How can I kill Kerbals? From what drop height can they not survive?

What are all the ways a Kerbal in KSP might die? I know that they always wear space suits, so they (seemingly) can't suffocate. Side Question: How far must a Kerbal fall to die?

kerbal-space-program

Frank

@AshleyNunn If there aren't any, then the consensus is whatever opinion's on Meta. That's the whole point of Meta, is to argue and discuss the relative merits.

David M

@Frank Well, my apologies that my comment somehow didn't take.

user15026

10:06 PM

@Frank Unless people don't feel like it needs discussion.

David M

@Frank You can admit that you enjoy the arguing more than the actual question.

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user15026

Or they don't feel like arguing, because they feel attacked or unheard or a million other reasons.

Frank

If you can't be bothered to argue why you think a question should stick around/be deleted, then it doesn't deserve any special treatment.

@DavidM I probably do.

user15026

Meta isn't just a place for people to argue shit, it is a place for us to figure out site issues. So maybe there won't be both sides for everything.

David M

@Frank Who doesn't.

user15026

10:07 PM

@Frank By posting it, though, someone has.

FEichinger

@Frank There's a question that gives a dissenting opinion to yours - and a comment stream that details that. As well as downvotes on your answer. What else do you expect in terms of "dissenting opinions"?

Frank

@FEichinger A meta answer, obviously.

David M

To be honest, my reason for not posting initially was that I agreed with the reasoning set forth in the meta question.

Frank

That details why it should stick around.

Either way, I'm tired of trying to help in a community run site that doesn't really seem to be community run.

I think it's time for me to take a break.

user15026

@Frank By posting the question, usually someone states why their question should be there. And then people might disagree, as you have done. Not everything needs to be listed with every option - in fact, we kinda discourage answers created as a source of merely polling opinions - we want this stuff to come up naturally from the community.

user15026

10:09 PM

@Frank I really, really do not like this allegation.

badp

In other news

David M

@Frank No one will beg you to stay. No one will ask you to go. We will miss your presence as you are a part of the group.

Lazers

0

Q: Big Spender VIP

When do you use the "Big Spender" VIP? While orders are being placed, or when all slots are stocked? I keep getting this VIP and don't really know when to utilize him.

tiny-death-star

GnomeSlice

@badp whoooa we were the top

user15026

@badp SF is a lot lower than I would expect.

user15026

10:10 PM

Also, go us!

badp

@fredley Yeah, I'm wondering about that.

fredley

@badp SF is going down?

badp

also:

Frank

@AshleyNunn The fact is, Meta is where we go to decide issues. That's the whole point of it. To have that ignored is where we fall flat as a community.

It's not about Meta; it never has been.

user15026

@Frank I think this is a very incorrect statement.

Frank

10:11 PM

It's always been about how people want to vote, regardless of what we do on Meta.

fredley

FEichinger

@Frank And again: How is it being ignored? The question has been up for an hour, give or take. Votes are presenting an opinion as well.

badp

@fredley You do know I can click edit on your post and see right through your lies.

Frank

@FEichinger For this one, it's not. It's working as intended.

user15026

@Frank you cannot possibly police every vote ever. That's the whole point of the anonymous voting. But for the most part, we make rules as best as we can, without being rules lawyers over every bit of everything. We try as best we can to keep consensus.

Frank

10:12 PM

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Q: Opposing viewpoints are needed if you disagree with a closure

As I was doing my daily browsing today, I noticed that one of our questions had been reopened. Normally, this would be a cause for celebration, for we have improved a question to be acceptable to our standards. Unfortunately, in this case, the question is still completely unacceptable. It was ...

discussion site-policies

That's my stance on what Meta's about.

And that's not how it works.

user15026

@Frank not everyone loves Meta or arguing.

FEichinger

@Frank Then why on Earth are you bitching about it?

Frank

5 mins ago, by Frank

If you can't be bothered to argue why you think a question should stick around/be deleted, then it doesn't deserve any special treatment.

user15026

Everyone is going to approach this differently, because we are all different people. Expecting everyone to follow rules you set out because that is how you like things is not going to work in a group this size.

Raven Dreamer

@NickT the fact that you snuck your edits within the 5 minute edit window (thus avoiding the "edited" and "history" indicators might have contributed there. ;)

John

10:13 PM

@AshleyNunn This is why I rarely contribute to meta. It's all arguing, and I have neither the time nor sanity for that.

and tags.

ditto for tags >.>

user15026

@John And I know you are not the only one.

FAE

@Frank This can be a good idea to do once in a while. I do the same myself. When site stuff starts becoming more of a source of stress than enjoyment, it's usually time to step back a little and take a break for your own sanity.

Fluttershy

@FAE I do this!

badp

@Frank Do we require people to comment on a downvote?

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