Root Access

Kit Z. Fox

6:00 PM

@qasdfdsaq They were working on that capability. Pretty sure they have it now.

qasdfdsaq

Well why not fetch a CM then, instead of hoping it happens while JMG is awake

And while you're at it, there may be certain CMs that are preferred over others >_>

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq those who don't have access to the secret list of trouble users

Kit Z. Fox

secret list pfft there's no such thing.

but chat drama iz borin so bai!

JohnB

@qasdfdsaq you can, use the contact form or e-mail team@

there's a ticket system, they'll get back to you

qasdfdsaq

But it gets far more weight if a mod does it

(Hey it was ArtofCode's idea not mine)

(Or DoorKnob)

(Or Undo)

I can't remember jack :-(

JohnB

6:05 PM

is there a post on Meta SU articulating the problem?

bwDraco

1

Q: Spurious mass-flagging events in Root Access chat room—any idea who's responsible?

Lately, we've been seeing several mass-flagging events where some unknown user decides to flag a large number of chat messages in the Root Access room as spam/offensive (not mod attention). We've been unable to determine the exact source of these flags. Does anyone have any idea who's responsibl...

qasdfdsaq

Yeah I see draco is being hypocritical there now too.

Some people have been known to search back through the chat transcripts quite a long way so they can be offended. — Iain Oct 11 '14 at 11:41

^^ lol

JohnB

@bwDraco this doesn't really articulate the problem

bwDraco

So what would like to see?

JohnB

problem: someone is flagging things as offensive that actually aren't and as a result people are being suspended because of it

bwDraco

6:07 PM

You're saying innocent users are getting suspended because of this?

qasdfdsaq

@JohnB Doesn't the suspension only happens if a mod agrees its offensive

And if that happens, doesn't that mean by definition it has at least some merit to it?

JohnB

@bwDraco I don't know, I don't really know what the problem is. If it's just mass flagging and the flags are declined, then oh well whatever

DavidPostill

@JohnB As far as I know nobody has been suspended (yet). But only because the horde of mods has chosen not too.

JohnB

@DavidPostill I unsuspended Pato yesterday after I saw one wrongfully approved offensive flag

DavidPostill

Ah. OK. I missed that.

qasdfdsaq

6:10 PM

This is a perfectly good and valid Meta question. That said, regarding the specific case: expletives are not allowed on the network even if zero users find them offensive. — Pops ♦ Sep 6 '11 at 15:46

o_0

That contradicts what we were told yesterday

JohnB

what were we told yesterday?

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq that's probably fucking old policy

Anonymous

;)

Anonymous

maybe he meant on Q&A rather than chat

bwDraco

Updated the question to add links to the evidence.

JohnB

6:13 PM

33

Q: Are expletives allowed in SE chat?

Along the lines of the discussion (poll) on expletives on SE sites, what is the policy for them in chat? In my mind, there is a very large difference between proper SE site content (posts and comments) and chat. Chat far more fluid than the "fixed content" of the site, and the occasional explet...

discussion chat flags

bwDraco

@Ramhound: You might want to come here and talk about it.

qasdfdsaq

Well we weren't actually told yesterday I guess

yesterday, by HackToHell

Can't swear here now huh

But the fact you unbanned Pato for an expletive that was flagged suggests the flag wasn't merited

bwDraco

> In an informal setting like chat, I think it's acceptable to use common language, to be a bit less rigid in what you expect, and punctuating your speech with the occasional bit of blue shouldn't be looked at too harshly. That said...

> You do not get to tell anyone else what offends them, not here, not on the main sites, and not in chat. Ever.

Anonymous

well a lot flags don't result in suspensions

Anonymous

but it still annoys mods

Anonymous

6:15 PM

and regulars

JohnB

@qasdfdsaq if Pato had said "FUCK YOU JOHNB", yes, that's merited. A simple expletive does not warrant a 30 minute suspension, no.

2

Anonymous

@JohnB thank you johnb

JohnB

if you're sitting in chat and just saying FUCK every 2 seconds for no reason and you're just being a pest, yes that's merited

qasdfdsaq

So does "does not warrant a 30 minute suspension" mean expletives are acceptable or that they are unacceptable but does not warrant a suspesion if flagged

JohnB

the flag system is really bad at providing the context of the situation, this is why these flags will quite often get blindly approved

@qasdfdsaq it is not up to me to decide how you communicate. You're at the mercy of how others perceive your speech. Something I might not see as offensive could easily be the opposite for someone else. I rarely touch chat flags, and there's no required tutorial on how to handle them either

It's a stupid system. Accept that, work around it, carry yourself with that in mind

qasdfdsaq

6:20 PM

Eh, just trying to figure out the "policy" if there is one. JMG said a while back it was OK in context, but one of the links above says swearing is not acceptable anywhere on SE in any context.

Anonymous

whatever

qasdfdsaq

(And Pato seems to like doing it)

JohnB

> I think it's acceptable to use common language, to be a bit less rigid in what you expect, and punctuating your speech with the occasional bit of blue shouldn't be looked at too harshly. meta.stackexchange.com/a/176954/216955

Anonymous

There are rules, but all of them summed up in a succint way are: "Just be a responsable adult" in an informal (but private) setting that is SE.chat

JohnB

If you guys want to set a room policy for no swearing, that's up to you. I'm in no position to enforce or influence that

qasdfdsaq

6:22 PM

@PatoSáinz What if you're 13? (The minimum age to use SE, IIRC)

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq then act as a bloody adult. If it looks like an adult, and acts like an adult, and makes noise as an adult...

2

Anonymous

I think you forgot but I'm 16.

Boris_yo

@bwDraco You were right - aperture. Now I have sharpness and focus.

qasdfdsaq

@PatoSáinz It's hard to "forget" something you never knew ;)

And why should a 13 year old act like an adult when half the adults here don't act like adults

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq oh I thought I've told you guys before... maybe sometime you weren't online.

Anonymous

6:24 PM

@qasdfdsaq dunno, etiquette... ok now you got me.

qasdfdsaq

chat.stackexchange.com/…

bwDraco

The rule is that the occasional use of expletives is not an issue, as long as it's not directed at a particular person or is otherwise offensive.

qasdfdsaq

Jul 27 '15 at 23:08, by Pato Sáinz

@ThatBrazilianGuy 16

Yeah, I think that was before I joined this channel :-P

jokerdino

@JohnB Now I want to say that.

JohnB

You won't offend me but I can't promise that the phantom flagger won't see it as a call to arms!

Mokubai

6:26 PM

@JohnB Conversely if all you are doing is swearing with no real content or point then that would be a merited flag.

Anonymous

@Mokubai and an /ignore

JohnB

10 mins ago, by JohnB

if you're sitting in chat and just saying FUCK every 2 seconds for no reason and you're just being a pest, yes that's merited

2slow

jokerdino

FUJ

Mokubai

lol

Anonymous

Sometimes the marketplace of ideas is more effective than police-by-flagging.

JohnB

6:27 PM

@jokerdino flagged

qasdfdsaq

fudge

bwDraco

Think I got a smoking gun:

Dec 22 '15 at 23:43, by nhinkle

I got it. @user530647, stop flagging random stuff.

qasdfdsaq

fudge3

Hmm, it only lets me send one message every 3-4 seconds

bwDraco

user530647

1 2

speed typing

The user is suspended.

qasdfdsaq

And if I send the same message twice, it just gets ignored

bwDraco

6:28 PM

Does the user still have chat access, even the transcript?

DavidPostill

Feb 16 at 18:53, by DavidPostill

I've warned you all before. If you post something that gets flagged we get visited by a horde of mods. Please think before you post.

That was on the star wall. But someone removed it :/

JohnB

I would dissuade you from playing detective and inciting witch hunts. It is not known if it is even a single person doing it, who knows maybe it's a few

bwDraco

@DavidPostill 14 days.

DavidPostill

@bwDraco Ah

bwDraco

Someone else can probably pin it again, though.

qasdfdsaq

6:30 PM

Like an organised crime syndicate?

JohnB

maybe it's just someone who is lonely and wants more people with blue names to talk to

bwDraco

I do have reason to suspect that someone else is responsible.

jokerdino

Days since last flag war: 1

qasdfdsaq

Also, some random person is in the C++ lounge flagging things on a random basis it seems. That needs to STOP! Flagging should be done one a reasonable basis that what is being flagged is actually offensive, in the context that it's being written in. — Tony The Lion Sep 4 '11 at 14:50

Days since the start of the SE flag wars: Over 1000

Anonymous

~~turf~~ Flag wars with drive-by flagging: Chat is getting dangerous

qasdfdsaq

6:33 PM

The first rule of flag club: You do not talk about flag club.

DavidPostill

And now for something completely different ;)

NY Judge Rules in Favor of Apple in iPhone Unlocking Case

dzone.com/articles/…

qasdfdsaq

Wasn't that last weekend?

JohnB

what's the NY case regarding?

ah, drugs

allquixotic

*hugs his iPhone*

qasdfdsaq

yesterday, by qasdfdsaq

Apple prevails in pre-San Bernardino forced iPhone unlock case in New York

Wow, "yesterday" feels so long ago :-/

DavidPostill

6:36 PM

The ruling is dated 29/02. blogs.reuters.com/alison-frankel/files/2016/02/…

JohnB

all your troubles seem so far away

qasdfdsaq

IOW, I spend wayyyy too much time in here

Speaking of, I should go. You guys are distracting me.

I was supposed to go to PC World to get my Microsoft Band replaced an hour ago

THen you started gossiping about flag wars

DavidPostill

There are 2 different cases. One is to to with a drug dealer. The other with terrorists.

allquixotic

Sep 13 '12 at 14:54, by allquixotic

I speak (derisively) to iPhone users. I don't speak to WP users at all

oops

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Now THAT is offensive.

**F
L
A
G
G
E
D!!!111oneoneoneelevenhundredandone**

Dammit the formatting came out wrong.

allquixotic

6:39 PM

Aug 26 '13 at 16:18, by somequixotic

@DarthAndroid and now you're locked into having a huge investment in iPhone apps, right? (not to say that Android is any different; even if I wanted to switch to iPhone, I'd lose hundreds of dollars of apps and an enormous amount of man-hours invested in learning everything)

oops

JohnB

we can pretend it worked

allquixotic

last quote from before... in my defense these are very old quotes... and this is intended to demonstrate how my opinions have changed over time....

Dec 9 '13 at 17:43, by allquixotic

I'm way past "the iPhone is an inferior, overpriced product" into the "f* Apple" crowd... I used to just dislike their product because it's a bad product; now I actively dislike the company

so, yeah. people change

(as do companies)

qasdfdsaq

So wait, I don't get it. Are you currently pro-apple or anti-apple?

Because your thoughts on fruit are all that matters

Oh wow that shows up better when starred

JohnB

I don't have a strong opinion of Apple either way, but watching the congressional hearing yesterday put me into the "f* Trey Gowdy" crowd

9 mins ago, by allquixotic

*hugs his iPhone*

bwDraco

I have a bit of a love-hate relationship with Apple. Love because they take really good care of their customers and because their products have total vertical integration; hate because they run exceedingly closed platforms.

qasdfdsaq

6:46 PM

@JohnB Ambiguous. I've hugged people and iPhones that I hated.

JohnB

fair

qasdfdsaq

I've also seen people hug exes while dumping/in the process of being dumped by them.

Totally not me obviously.

jokerdino

Clearly.

JohnB

hugs qasdfdsaq

I ambiguously love and hate you

qasdfdsaq

@JohnB Are you dumping me :'(

JohnB

6:50 PM

we just need a break from each other

qasdfdsaq

You're leaving me for that iPhone aren't you

I knew it.

JohnB

I'm leaving you for coffee. Back in a feewww

bwDraco

Speaking of vertical integration, Samsung has total vertical integration in the production of its SSDs giving it a substantial technological advantage. They were a whopping year and a half ahead of everyone else to 3D NAND.

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq Currently pro-Apple. I own their hardware, am satisfied with it from a security perspective and from a functional perspective. The only thing that occasionally annoys me is the lack of customization options (in Safari, and the App Store) and the "lag" to get app updates onto iOS vs. other platforms that occasionally bites you (e.g. Teamspeak 3).

That said, I'm anti-Mac because (1) unavailability of most games, (2) overpriced hardware, (3) wonky and not especially efficient UI, (4) a hideous amount of momentum -- personally, and with other stuff I do -- behind Windows, including thousands of dollars of software licenses invested.

bwDraco

Feb 12 at 2:03, by bwDraco

Sadly, "vertical integration" and "open platform" are mutually exclusive in practice and so Android will never match iOS in efficiency...

Feb 12 at 2:13, by bwDraco

It's a sad fact in the world of computing that building an open platform that anyone can build on makes it infeasible to optimize for the best possible performance.

allquixotic

6:58 PM

In a hypothetical future where all the AAA games are shipping for Mac, and in that situation Apple has hypothetically reduced their margins over the cost of manual retail PC part assembly, and also much improved graphics drivers for the platform -- I would possibly back Mac OS X as a viable platform.

qasdfdsaq

I've been tempted by their Macbooks on occasion, cause they often have combinations of hardware that has (until recently) been hard to find on other laptops, and you always have the option of running Windows anyway

allquixotic

I'm split across the ecosystems depending on device form factor and purpose.

JohnB

Mac gaming is getting better, but it seems like it's at the same rate as Linux gaming. So not exactly a big seller for the extra cost of hardware

allquixotic

GNU/Linux all the way for servers. Well... SmartOS or BSD for certain use cases, but basically I think servers should run BSD, Linux or a Solaris variant (avoid Mac servers and Windows servers).

bwDraco

Absent a special application that requires a Mac, Windows-based gaming laptops are almost always a better value.

allquixotic

7:00 PM

Windows all the way for desktop and full fat laptops.

I actually like Android tablets.

And iOS for smartphone ;p

qasdfdsaq

Oddly enough whenever I criticize Apple hardware for being overpriced, someone inevitably yells back at me "But they're not... really". And I've begun starting to believe them :-/

JohnB

regrettably, design stuff is swinging back towards the "better on Mac" side of things. There are a few new Adobe-alternative applications that are Mac exclusive

bwDraco

@allquixotic Agreed. iOS may have a better app selection for tablets, but Android apps designed for phones have, in my experience, been well-behaved on tablets.

iOS apps designed for iPhone do not work very well on iPad. The system just blows up the whole app to fit the screen.

Canadian Luke

Proposing a new site: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/96178/…

4

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq you successfully argued a while ago to me that for what it is the Mac Pro is a pretty decent value... hard to disagree, but it's not the sort of hardware I would ever buy

Xeon and FirePro is for a different type of use case, different type of person than what I want

qasdfdsaq

7:02 PM

Yeah I think it was something like that.

Basically, getting the same hardware on a PC wouldn't cost much less, but when building a PC top-end everything is mandatory choice.

allquixotic

if they'd sell a Performance (mainstream high-end, e.g. i7-6700K) desktop with Nvidia consumer graphics processors with similar margins to the Mac Pro, I'd be tempted.

bwDraco

@allquixotic I'd just build a workstation on my own to meet my requirements in that case. Ivy Bridge-EP is showing its age.

qasdfdsaq

Someone pointed out to me a couple years back that, yes, £400 extra for a 512GB SSD was a lot. But it's a high-end PCIe SSD, which would cost as much if you bought it yourself. Except when buying an iMac, it's your only option.

allquixotic

imagine an Apple Mac Gamer product (hypothetical): with current-gen kit, it'd have a Core i7-6700K, 32 or 64 GB of DDR4, a Samsung 850 Pro 1 or 2 TB, a 4 or 6 TB HGST HDD, a GTX 970, 980 or 980 Ti

all for $2-$3k and running OS X

ship Vulkan and I'd buy it... if the games were there

bwDraco

On Android, there's this concept called dp (device-independent pixel) which makes it relatively easy to get apps to work well on arbitrary screen sizes and pixel densities. On iOS, apps are designed for a few specific screen sizes, and apps designed for iPhone do not exactly scale well to iPad without a redesign of the whole UI.

allquixotic

7:07 PM

@bwDraco Not only that, but I've used various iOS apps that were designed for the terrible old screen resolution of the original iPhone, 540x960 or something, and those apps make the entire UI (even the notification bar) blow up to gigantic proportions on my native 1080p IPS TFT LCD.

bwDraco

I've never owned an iOS device, but I've seen how atrocious the UI gets when an iPhone app is run on iPad.

allquixotic

The iPad Pro is a little tempting to me, but it's too expensive for what it is... it's a bigger iPhone

Canadian Luke

I remember iOS when it was IOS... And before Apple called it iOS

bwDraco

@allquixotic Might as well get a Surface Pro 4.

allquixotic

@bwDraco yeah

also, why is my iPhone, a fraction of the size of the iPad Pro, the same price? :P

bwDraco

7:13 PM

Both have sizable libraries of apps but Surface Pro 4 lets you run desktop apps.

allquixotic

I'm not buying anything until I can find something with a discrete Pascal GPU

bwDraco

Huh. So iPad Pro actually costs more for the storage.

@allquixotic What about Polaris?

allquixotic

I'm tired of 28nm

@bwDraco will have to see how it benchmarks, but I'm leaning toward nvidia due to their driver stability

if Polaris absolutely kills Pascal on performance per price, I may have to jump, but I doubt AMD will deliver

bwDraco

The move to 14nm has been very slow. Even Intel has been having a lot of trouble.

From what I can tell, it looks like they'll be very closely matched.

allquixotic

Pascal apparently launches in June - I guess this means I'll be saving up money

bwDraco

7:19 PM

However, it seems NVIDIA is coming out with a huge 17B transistor GP100, while Polaris is probably topping out at 8.6B.

NVIDIA has been getting lots of developers and publishers into its closed ecosystem, though. I hate GameWorks.

NVIDIA is doing whatever it can to prevent AMD from competing at all.

qasdfdsaq

> unfortunately we are currently unable to ship items to a delivery address in United Kingdom.

Computer and video games as well as software can only be delivered to the following countries: Andorra, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Finland, France, Gibraltar, Greece, ***Great Britain***, Ireland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Austria, Sweden and Switzerland.

Thanks Amazon.

For such a large international company you fail pretty hard at basic geography.

allquixotic

guy giving presentation in a web meeting I'm watching apparently has a problem

his computer has decided that it's going to upgrade his Windows 7 to Windows 10 tonight

bwDraco

Internet Explorer relies on Windows crypto APIs for SSL/TLS support. As such, its ability to support newer TLS versions is limited. The most significant effect of this is with IE8: TLS 1.2 does not work on IE8 under XP, but it does work under Windows 7. — bwDraco 10 secs ago

allquixotic

he dismissed the prompt silently ;p

bwDraco

Jan 19 at 3:15, by bwDraco

Microsoft, if you really want everyone to run Windows 10, then just pull the plug on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 support (not just on Skylake machines, but all hardware) and force the upgrade. It's that simple.

qasdfdsaq

7:30 PM

That was a disaster waiting to happen

bwDraco

7:45 PM

I don't know whether Microsoft Edge or !E9+ rely on the Windows Crypto APIs but IE8 certainly did as evidenced in its lack of TLS 1.2 support under Windows XP but not under Windows 7.

bwDraco

8:21 PM

Believe it or not, SSL/TLS support is not built into Internet Explorer at least for versions 6 through 10. It uses the Windows Crypto API for SSL/TLS and associated cipher suites. This is why IE6 and IE8 have different levels of SSL/TLS support on different versions of Windows. — bwDraco 6 mins ago

Dave

cant figure out why my document that i am loading isnt treating certain tab delimited fields correctly.. ideas anyone?

im importing data into a table .. im thinking it may be something jet/ace related.

from a tab delimited file

exec sp_execute 1,N'CA02-201611',N' BI',N' XF',N' ',N' GL CA',N' 71140',N' GCTXON',N' 19093',N' 990531',N' NA',N' 2681',N' O',N' D',N' 0',N' 0',N' CAD',N' ',N' ',N' -87889.00',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' AirRail Sales - 201611',N' ',N' ',N' 201602',N'01 20',N'1',N'60201 201611',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' N',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' ',N' '…

GL CA <-- that's the issue but there's a tab there, not sure what's up with that.

qasdfdsaq

9:01 PM

Yay, Currys group refusing to replace faulty goods as usual

bwDraco

9:28 PM

@Ramhound: It's always important to assume good faith. Claiming that the user isn't forthcoming is potentially inflammatory. Focus on the content, not on the user. — bwDraco 7 secs ago

There's also that bit of advice that (hopefully) every high schooler learned in English class when critiquing their classmates' papers: when you are writing a critique, always focus your critique on the paper -- the writing itself, or what it says or implies -- and not the individual who wrote it. "You are wrong", or "You do not understand" is a much more inflammatory statement in many peoples' minds than "This statement (paraphrase it) is incorrect; here's why". It's much harder to misinterpret it as hostile when you focus on the material rather than the person. — allquixotic Nov 19 '14 at 18:11

bwDraco

9:49 PM

Is Target demanding exclusivity again?

The retail sector is desperate, that's for sure.

qasdfdsaq

Just wanted to see what the preview icon looked like

@PatoSáinz Then it's probably not Pato Sainz.

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq cool

qasdfdsaq

There's probably only one regular in this room who has always 100% acted like an adult.

Anonymous

That's @ChatBotJohnCavil

qasdfdsaq

Nah.

Anonymous

9:56 PM

!!taytaytay

ChatBot John Cavil

qasdfdsaq

I recall Cavil insulting someone once, might have been you

Anonymous

yea I kinda remember that

Anonymous

Taylor Swift - 22

►

bwDraco

This is probably one of the reasons Target stock has performed better than, say, Macy's or Kohl's stock.

qasdfdsaq

9:59 PM

Dang it, I can't remember why I put Bill Kerman here.

bwDraco

Target makes extensive use of exclusivity agreements to gain an edge over competitors, helping it stay strong under adverse market conditions.

qasdfdsaq

I left him in front of my plane yesterday to remind me to do something I knew I'd forget before taking off. Now I know I forgot something, but don't know what

DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq And it's not you ;)

qasdfdsaq

@DavidPostill That much is obvious

Ah, its to remind me to not forget to fill up with rocket parts.

bwDraco

10:25 PM

Just broke a very cheap AM/FM radio. Dismantling it reveals that it makes extensive use of through-hole parts.

The soldering job is among the worst I've seen. It looks like the whole thing was hand-soldered.

Bob

Probably was.

bwDraco

I haven't cracked open the whole thing but all signs point to a board that is entirely hand-populated.

No SMD parts of any kind, which means they didn't use a pick-and-place machine.

There is one IC in DIP packaging on the back side of the board.

Bob

@allquixotic Gotta love JavaScript.

"" === new String()
false
"a" === new String("a")
false

bwDraco

It's likely that only the PCB proper is machine-made. All the components on the board are probably soldered by some low-paid worker in a Chinese factory.

allquixotic

@Bob triple equals? is that like pointer equality in C?

Bob

10:31 PM

@allquixotic It means type and value. Basically disables type coercion.

Using double is even more fun. Starting with it not being transitive.

23

Q: JavaScript equality transitivity is weird

I've been reading Douglas Crockford's JavaScript: The Good Parts, and I came across this weird example that doesn't make sense to me: '' == '0' // false 0 == '' // true 0 == '0' // true false == undefined // false false == null // false null == undefined ...

javascript comparison-operators equivalence transitivity

@allquixotic Another (joking) way of putting it is "really equals"

PHP's coercion is similar but worse, IIRC

bwDraco

Why do people still hand-solder high-volume PCB assemblies?

Bob

Because it's cheaper.

Ramhound

@bwDraco I didn't have much to say about the matter, was just suggesting, meta.se might get the right folks involved

As for not trusting, it wasn't the user per say, it was the information provided I had trouble accepting

If something does not make sense I have trouble accepting it

Bob

s/per say/per se/

bwDraco

!! s/user per say/user per se/

ChatBot John Cavil

10:38 PM

@bwDraco As for not trusting, it wasn't the user per se, it was the information provided I had trouble accepting (source)

bwDraco

@Bob Just go ahead and use the chatbot command.

Bob

@bwDraco I've already told you my thoughts on that.

I've already told you I intentionally don't use it in most situations.

bwDraco

Okay. Am I polluting the room by doing this explicitly?

Bob

I've also said that I'd prefer it if you don't repeat what I say merely to pipe it through the bot. I am perfectly capable of doing that myself if necessary.

bwDraco

You know what?

Bob

10:39 PM

You can use it for your own messages. I don't care about that. You can use it to let other (new) people know the bot exists. That's fine too.

bwDraco

!!/ban 11606

allquixotic

@Bob :D I remember hearing it read that way before

ChatBot John Cavil

@bwDraco The user will be thrown into mindjail in 1 more invocations

Ramhound

I am confused, heading home, ...

Bob

I don't mind you using it for your own messages at all.

bwDraco

10:40 PM

That's it. I'm banning myself from the chatbot.

!!/ban 11606

ChatBot John Cavil

@bwDraco That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

@bwDraco Already registered; still need 1 more

bwDraco

@Bob: Go ahead and ban me.

Bob

I just asked that you leave mine out of it. Specifically, that you don't repeat my s// messages to put them through the bot. That's all.

bwDraco

I can't trust even myself any more to not abuse the chatbot.

@allquixotic: Your thoughts?

Bob

@allquixotic Related: "PHP should introduce a ===="

bwDraco

10:42 PM

Just ban me from the chatbot. I don't care at this point.

Yes, I'm sure.

This is the third time I did this.

DavidPostill

@bwDraco

bwDraco

I'M NOT GOING TO CHILL OUT!!!!!

JohnB

well you skipped the keep calm part too there

Anonymous

chillax

bwDraco

10:45 PM

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qasdfdsaq

!!foxyes

ChatBot John Cavil

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq the bot needs a !!chill command: can you make it learn?

bwDraco

Okay, okay. What in the world was I doing?

qasdfdsaq

@PatoSáinz Sure, but so can you.

I've not got special privileges.

Anonymous

10:47 PM

@qasdfdsaq never learnt syntax

qasdfdsaq

> !!learn command-name <>URL-TO-IMAGE

bwDraco

!!/learn chill <>http://i.stack.imgur.com/O2ucj.png

ChatBot John Cavil

@bwDraco Command chill learned

DavidPostill

@bwDraco That's better. Now take some deep breaths. Then go afk for 5 minutes and walk around the block.

qasdfdsaq

!!learn chill <>http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-chill-out-1026.png

ChatBot John Cavil

10:47 PM

@qasdfdsaq Command chill learned

qasdfdsaq

!!chill

ChatBot John Cavil

qasdfdsaq

^^ For example.

!!unlearn chill

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: learn

qasdfdsaq

!!forget chill

ChatBot John Cavil

10:48 PM

@qasdfdsaq Command chill forgotten.

Anonymous

ok it's fine

qasdfdsaq

Now you can pick your own

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Huh, that's broken.

You shouldn't be able to override commands of the same name...

!!info foo

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob Command foo does not exist.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob There was a command of the sane name?

Anonymous

10:49 PM

for fuck's sake why does Djibouti manually accept domain registrations

Bob

!!learn foo "this is a test"

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob Command foo learned

bwDraco

!!/forget foo

ChatBot John Cavil

@bwDraco You are not authorized to delete the command foo

Anonymous

I want my .dj domain today

qasdfdsaq

10:49 PM

!!learn foo <>iamfoo

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq Command foo learned

Anonymous

I paid good money for it

!!foo

Huh. You're right

iamfoo

10:49 PM

Commands taught by owners seem to be protected.

Hm.

Oops.

That's a bit broken.

Didn't realise it already existed

Bob

I blame @Zirak.

bwDraco

10:49 PM

However, it seems we've run into a bug in the bot...

Bob

@qasdfdsaq bwDraco taught it a couple seconds before you

Anonymous

zirak and his patches

Anonymous

always his fault

qasdfdsaq

resists temptation to !!learn taytaytay goatse

@Bob Ah

Bob

~/dev/SO-ChatBot$ killall phantomjs nodejs

There, we're safe for now.

qasdfdsaq

10:50 PM

:-( But how will we !!chill

bwDraco

Chatbot is shut down.

qasdfdsaq

I wonder if !!forget foo would restore your version or just forget it completely

as in if it's appending another learnt command, or replacing an existing one

bwDraco

Thanks for not letting this happen because I almost abused the chatbot again.

Anonymous

@bwDraco you weren't abusing anything

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I'm pretty sure it'd replace.

DavidPostill

10:52 PM

Maybe it's a LIFO stack of foos

Anonymous

** ＣＨＩＬＬ **

Bob

Commands are stored as a trie.

There can only be one leaf node matching any given command.

Anonymous

𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐥

bwDraco

@PatoSáinz I actually attempted to issue a command that would do something undesirable.

2 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq

resists temptation to !!learn taytaytay goatse

Anonymous

@bwDraco no you did not 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐥

qasdfdsaq

10:53 PM

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq edgy

qasdfdsaq

Grr don't you just hate it when you run out of fuel in outer space and have to get out and push...

bwDraco

Alright, that's enough. I might need to be kicked from the room.

This is veering into intentional disruption.

Anonymous

@bwDraco no you are not disrupting anything

DavidPostill

@bwDraco So stop doing it!

Anonymous

10:54 PM

If you do not want to be part of the room for today, you may click leave

bwDraco

11 mins ago, by bwDraco

I'M NOT GOING TO CHILL OUT!!!!!

^ So why did I allow this kind of response in the first place?

Anonymous

@bwDraco chat.stackexchange.com/chats/leave/118

bwDraco

It's okay. It's under control.

God, I hate being so temperamental.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq False alarm :P apparently it's intentional within 5 mins

qasdfdsaq

Ah

bwDraco

10:59 PM

If only we could just git apply a patch to our brains to fix "bugs" in personality...

ChatBot John Cavil

I have just been restarted! This happens daily automatically, or when my owner restarts me. Ready for commands.

qasdfdsaq

In unrelated news, I managed to aerobrake without breaking anything. That's a first

Bob

@qasdfdsaq The real trick is lithobraking without breaking anything.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob In this particular vessel that's actually quite easy.

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