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5:00 PM

Thinking of pulling down this shit and starting a windows server 2012 node with orace 11c

Yep, gonna do that

All I need is the database, the wrapper doesn't matter

duck this yum

I'm looking into it right now.

@bwDraco: I expect a 'woah' face when you test it out.. I know i woahed the first time i tested it.

@HackToHell Please be careful of your language. Someone is flagging stuff ...

sigh

Rejected as invalid. I don't see an obvious problem.

5:02 PM

Can't swear here now huh

JMG also pointed this out

It wasn't a personal attack.

hmm, this brings down the places I can swear

a flag on Pato's message just went through too

Hey flagger go flag chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=fuck&room=118

@bwDraco The problem is that there's a person sitting in the chat -- possibly not even a contributor to the chat -- who keeps flagging messages with vulgarity or profanity in them, even when it's considered by most participants to be fine when we explicitly discuss the acceptability of it in chat.

5:04 PM

@bwDraco One last piece of advice. Please read "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle. "The book is intended to be a self-help guide for day-to-day living and stresses the importance of living in the present moment and avoiding thoughts of the past or future."

The chat flag system is woefully broken unfortunately. One of the reasons the Comms Room folks had to leave.

@Pato I've unsuspended you

Now that were talking about language. Is it okay to use slang acronym's on SE?

@Dave can you give an example?

WTF?

5:05 PM

for instance .. GTFO

Why would this be cause for a flag?

@Dave I'd consider that specific one to be pretty offensive, and thus not appropriate for use on the network.

I would say telling someone to GTFO is offensive in its own right

hehe

@allquixotic Grand TheFt Oto? Why?

5:05 PM

(Unless directed at a specific user, but that's a different matter.)

I kinda sorta missed all the drama tbh

But something along the lines of "Urgh, stupid bug gtfo"

Sorry, couldn't resist that one.

Didn't acctually know about this drama

Someone flagging and all

@terdon That's okay. We'll just change the room name to Mod Access, since that seems to be what it becomes when the mystery flagger trolls around.

5:06 PM

The star wall makes sense now

I guess if i ever use it, ill have to use it in first person form.. like this.. 'OP makes me want to GTFO after reading this'

Gotta love drive-by flaggers

Mods unite and stop this nonsense please

I wanna sweeeaaaar again :D

@Mokubai: Any idea who's raising the spurious flags?

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Q: Toward a philosophy of Chat

TL;DR: The Problem This keeps happening in chat: Surprise at flags on vulgar messages. Language that would invariably get your comments deleted on the main site occasionally gets flagged and deleted in chat. Confusion reigns. Controversial topics leading to bickering and name-calling. Folks b...

discussion chat feedback help

5:08 PM

@HackToHell Yeah. Mind you, profanity was the least of the problem. Some of the stuff that's been said in chat is deeply offensive and has very little to do with choice of words and everything to do whith the content.

I want to flag my bi-cycle, I want to flag my bike.

Anonymous

fuck

Anonymous

thanks

There's nothing here that I find offensive. Therefore, it's not me.

Anonymous

them drive-by flaggers

Anonymous

5:08 PM

@JohnB thanks

And MS doesn't seem to test anything they put into production

Some stuff aren't available in the old Azureportal

And the new doesn't work half the damn time

@terdon Missed out on the drama

But usually apart from minor skirmishes, RA is a pretty peaceful place

Why does nobody ever unban me when I get drive-by flagged?

Atleast for the past ~3 years

I have no idea what went down here, but the past few months saw various dramas in various chat rooms.

My woman makes the best sandwiches

I'm eating one right now

5:10 PM

@HackToHell Last drama I remember here was the chatbot hoopla.

But then, I haven't been hanging out here much lately.

Ah well time to move to Slack then ? ;p

@qasdfdsaq if I saw it happen I would, this was just a rare case of me seeing the flag but not dismissing quickly enough

There's an open source clone of it

Should try that out

@terdon Ah yes

@JohnB Aww thanks <3

I caught pieces of ti

5:11 PM

@HackToHell What's Slack?

@terdon You missed the mass deletion mod response ;) 60 messages disappeared ...

Essentially a clone of Chat.SE with better emoji support

@DavidPostill Oh wow. Local mods or network?

Targeted towards enterprise

Network

5:12 PM

My company uses it

Some randomer came in here and overreacted

@terdon Network. Apologies were made after the event ...

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq because you are in a secret list of people who cause problems

@DavidPostill That's relatively low :D

Someone thought taylor swift was sufficiently off-topic to warrant deleting 60 posts

5:13 PM

I remeber a time when somewhere close to 300 messages where deleted

That was a long fight :D

Feb 16 at 18:40, by 200_success

60 messages deleted

@qasdfdsaq @TomWijsman is going to go !taytaytay

Anonymous

@qasdfdsaq where the people at the comms room moved

Then someone pointed out taylor swift was a cat and cats are explicitly on-topic

!!taytaytaycatconfirmed

ChatBot John Cavil

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5:14 PM

And I really should be asleep

Feb 16 at 18:52, by bwDraco

"Off-topic" is not the issue but we do not want to discuss anything which can reasonably be considered offensive, including sexist, racist, or otherwise discriminatory content.

!!/taytaytaycat

goodbye folks and flaggers

ChatBot John Cavil

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> Good talk

bye H2H

5:15 PM

Would be more fun if you simply starred everything yannow ;p

Um, what's going on? We're seeing spurious stars here...

We need a mod here...

Anonymous

nah

Anonymous

just a room owner

Anonymous

they can delete stars, too

Anonymous

there's no need to bring mod-SWAT here again, again, again, again

5:18 PM

@bwDraco ?

Spurious stars removed ;)

my God, it's no longer full of stars

We've been seeing some odd activity lately, including flags that have no obvious basis (even if the messages contain profanity, they're not overtly offensive).

Please don't star random posts about flagging ;)

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@DavidPostill Stars... in your multitudes... scarely be counted... filling the darkness... with order and light! You are the sentinels.... silent and sure... keeping watch in the night; keeping watch in the night!

5:20 PM

@allquixotic lol

Stars - Philip Quast - Les Misérables - 10th Anniversary Concert

Madonna - Lucky Star (Album Version)

Anonymous

[House] - Eminence - Falling Stars [Monstercat Release]

Anonymous

[Dubstep] - Day One - For the Stars [Monstercat FREE Release]

Don't tempt me. My iTunes has 46 songs with "Star" in the title ;)

Anonymous

5:28 PM

@DavidPostill don't start what you can't finish

Anonymous

youtube.com/watch?v=feA64wXhbjo (kinda nsfw)

Anonymous

;)

@bwDraco was out and about, what did I miss?

@PatoSáinz lol

Do you really want the rest ;)

@Mokubai Some issues with spurious flags.

5:40 PM

Lies.

36 mins ago, by allquixotic

@bwDraco The problem is that there's a person sitting in the chat -- possibly not even a contributor to the chat -- who keeps flagging messages with vulgarity or profanity in them, even when it's considered by most participants to be fine when we explicitly discuss the acceptability of it in chat.

TIL... flagging "FUCK" is spurious but flagging "peenus" is legit.

@qasdfdsaq: If you're the guilty one, we may have to take disciplinary action against you.

Enjoy your block... again.

Could be a bot...

5:42 PM

!!Is it a bot?

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq Indeed

@Mokubai @qasdfdsaq has a history of trolling here.

I doubt its any of the usual's

I know I'd be amused to make one of the chat bots do that

STOP

ChatBot John Cavil

5:42 PM

HAMMERTIME!

Definitely a bot.

it's definitely not me. I can't flag without kicking your face out of this room.

Look at the star wall.

Me either, i dont get butthurt over words, even if they're directed to me.

I'd be very surprised if it was @Dave or any of the mods or room owners.

5:44 PM

Unfortunately, if I find something offensive (if ever).. I know how to close the browser window.

I think it's one of the people in this room currently.

@jokerdino chat.stackexchange.com/users/149840

Trolling is the way of things these days.

@Dave The problem is some people prefer being tatter-tails

Hey, no name-calling here!

5:45 PM

He strikes again.

I was the one who flagged this time.

@qasdfdsaq You again

What's going on here?

Well, we could kick everyone...

@MarkBuffalo What did I do this time?

5:46 PM

Guys, please.

@qasdfdsaq: Look, if you continue to intentionally annoy or disrupt this room, you will wind up getting suspended at some point.

@qasdfdsaq You keep annoying and disrupting users here. Please stop trolling.

@MarkBuffalo Please explain what exactly is trolling?

This time, I think becky was all right.

He was throwing offenses at the mysterious flagger.

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5:49 PM

7 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq

TIL... flagging "FUCK" is spurious but flagging "peenus" is legit.

user136984

What on earth is going on in here?

He basically just admitted it.

45 mins ago, by allquixotic

@bwDraco The problem is that there's a person sitting in the chat -- possibly not even a contributor to the chat -- who keeps flagging messages with vulgarity or profanity in them, even when it's considered by most participants to be fine when we explicitly discuss the acceptability of it in chat.

@ParanoidPanda hey, go back to your room!

@ParanoidPanda qasdfdfsaq has been continually trolling for a while in here

And tatter-tale is hardly offensive. Neither, for that matter is tattletale

5:49 PM

Sorry if I overreacted.

tattle tails?

@MarkBuffalo Please explain what exactly I've done

@jokerdino lol

@terdon don't flag me plz.

We'll see. No promises.

5:50 PM

Theres an unusual amount of activity in the room today.

I hold the mods in high regard here. I'd be surprised if a mod ever did anything that warrants a flag from me.

user136984

Well, seems all under control here so I'll go back to my normal room...

user136984

@jokerdino: But I do like to go and check things out you know when there is some flagging...

@ParanoidPanda: Just normal traffic.

Tattle tail seems like a nice word to describe the flagger. My diction +1

5:51 PM

@MarkBuffalo Well if you're just going to come in here and randomly accuse me of trolling and refuse to explain what I've done... you're getting a block too.

Nothing to see here! =)

@qasdfdsaq you tattle tail was offensive to flagger.

@jokerdino I see. I'm not sure how that's trolling...

Anonymous

@DavidPostill lol nice

Which says more about the flagger than anyone else.

5:52 PM

@qasdfdsaq your past records

Well s/tatter-tails/flagging/ then... :-/

in this case, draco thought your TT was name calling and worthy of flagging. Maybe a little overreaction from his part and he owned up to it.

Well, my experience shows that trolls tend to claim that they're the victim to get attention.

My whole point was in response to Dave - i.e. some people prefer to lurk and silently flag me instead of ... actually pointing out the problem.

omg. flagged

5:54 PM

:-(

@jokerdino Him again... there's a reason I have him on block :-/

He did provide some insight to my statement, and he made a good point.

Dont get flagged.

you can also flag without ever joining the room, so it's not necessarily someone over there to the right

Hi @JohnB.

Hello.

5:56 PM

heyyyy joker

You are here for all the highlights package.

This room has been really chaotic lately.

and Draco

@JohnB waves hand

@JohnB that would agree with what I saw...

5:57 PM

@JohnB You can? That's genius!

what have I done

Most of these events happen when regular SU mods are not here and I come here for some fun times.

Oh. No. Don't give qasdf any ideas.

Why can't that silly flagger show up when JMG is around?

@bwDraco: This room helps me sleep at night.

5:58 PM

@jokerdino Doesn't that mean we need more US/EU timezone mods?

There are enough of them actually.

They just hate you guys in here.

!!tayderp

ChatBot John Cavil

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@JohnB Really? When I've entered a room it automatically sticks me on the right like I've joined the room ...

@DavidPostill Yes, bu you can flag from the transcript.

5:59 PM

@DavidPostill you can view the transcript and flag from there

brb flagging JohnB.

no pls

False flag

What actually happens if a mod/CM gets flagged anyway?

@qasdfdsaq not much. I've been flagged.

6:00 PM

I can't tell you.

Oh it's not this conspiracy again is it?

@terdon what did you do?

Oh. Damn, was that a secrrrret?

@JohnB Aw. That's not nice.

@jokerdino Just posted something someone else found offensive. I believe I used the phrase my rosy behind.

6:02 PM

flagged

Yeah, I would be very offended.

I find the image of your rosy behind in my mind is highly inappropriate.

So someone is loading and refreshing the transcript looking to cause mischief or it is somebody in the room.

Occams Razor ...

@DavidPostill So it's someone inside or outside the room. Schrodinger's flagger?

Anonymous

ok

6:03 PM

9 mins ago, by bwDraco

Well, my experience shows that trolls tend to claim that they're the victim to get attention.

Anonymous

this went out of control for a bit

Like those appliances that say in the manual "Warning: For indoor or outdoor use only"

Or offers on Pizza Hut's website: "For delivery or collection only"

Schrodinger's Cat in this room ;)

Anonymous

@bwDraco: @qasdfdsaq was just joking about the peenus vs FUCK thing, she wasn't admitting any guilt for anything

Anonymous

don't blame her

6:04 PM

Hmm...

why not?

ducky becky is evil in my eyes.

@jokerdino ducky?!

This room needs analytics.

@qasdfdsaq is ignored. Good riddance.

Thank you for volunteering Dave.

6:05 PM

Am I missing something? qasdfdsaq is a genderless name ...

it's a cat.

is that how the name was conceived? A cat walked on a keyboard?

yep.

@PatoSáinz Eh, I was just told to ignore him when he does this.

@JohnB Haha. How original. I've totally not heard that one 500 times -_-

So we have a tom or a queen ;)

6:07 PM

I will only post original jokes from now on

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It's a palindrome btw. Scientifically chosen and devised.

nice one.

The other one I hear a lot is "face mashing on keyboard".

Anonymous

cool, just got another little freelance job

How often does one's face mashing on a keyboard make a perfectly linear and symmetric sequence?

Anonymous

6:08 PM

anything that helps my poor student shoestring budget

"A group of cats is referred to as a "clowder" or a "glaring", a male cat is called a "tom" or "tomcat" (or a "gib", if neutered), an unaltered female is called a "queen", and a juvenile cat is referred to as a "kitten"."

unsubscribe

What's an unaltered female?

Err... I mean altered.

@DavidPostill I'm pretty sure that was written by a female cat.

What's an "altered" female called?

6:10 PM

Spade

Spayed

Well, sure, if you want to waste a perfectly good pun.

I thought spayed was an adjective, is spade the noun form? Not heard of that one before.

"Calling a spade a spade" and all that :)

Oh. It was a joke

6:11 PM

"Spay (noun) - a spayed female cat; a female neuter. Also spelled spey."

Huh, so Spay is a noun, interesting

messybeast.com/cat-glossary.html

So there's tom/queen for unaltered and gib/spay for ... gibbed males and females?

Boar Cat- an old term for an unneutered male cat (tom cat).

why?

6:12 PM

<3 Unreal Tournament Instagib

Ram Cat- an old term for an unneutered male cat (tom cat).

bobcat?

Teaser Tom - a vasectomised male cat; a teaser tom is sterile but behaves like a full tom and will spray, fight and mate.

Tom - a male cat, particularly an uncastrated male cat; also called a "full tom".

Oh I like the sound of Teaser Toms

@DavidPostill Where did you find that? I've never heard of it before. The noun, AFAIK, refers to a male deer.

6:14 PM

@terdon Link above

Oh, in the site you linked to.

"If the specific cat in mention is currently raising kittens or is a soon-to-be mother, the term "Queen" would be an acceptable title, but female cats that aren't nursing or pregnant are typically referred to as a "Molly," which connotes less of a motherly feel. Additionally, the lesser-known term "Dam" is reserved exclusively for rare or purebred female felines during the act of recording or maintaining ancestral records for cat breeding."

Yeah, sorry, just saw. Perhaps it's something used by cat breeders but I've certainly never heard it used that way.

This is all new to me as well. And I've been owned by cats for many years ...

*yowl*

6:16 PM

Ram Cat (Grose 1811 Dictionary)
Ram Cat

A he cat.

Definition taken from The 1811 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, originally by Francis Grose.

Look, we've seen so many instances of disruptive conduct from qasdf. Is it about time to apply disciplinary action?

"Boar cat" appear to be Bahamian in origin

"Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue"... Why are you even reading that?

cobses.info/EDBEWW/…

Also that sounds like the 19th century equivalent of UrbanDictionary

6:19 PM

@qasdfdsaq Look up the meaning of vulgar.

@qasdfdsaq I was looking for the etymology of "Ram Cat"

!!google vulgar

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq * Vulgar | Definition of Vulgar by Merriam-Webster ; Vulgar | Define Vulgar at Dictionary.com ; Vulgar (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

> Simple Definition of vulgar
: not having or showing good manners, good taste, or politeness
: relating to the common people or the speech of common people

Huh, interesting. TIL... the second meaning of vulgar

it's the original meaning. It took the one we are more familiar with in English because presumably, the common people are so vulgar.

6:21 PM

vulgarism (one of those evil -ism words)

Is that like how the N word was originally a normal word then became vulgar by derogatory association?

In many Latin languages, vulgarizarion means something akin to popularization.

vulgar in some sense means uncultured

@qasdfdsaq Kinda. But that word was pretty much always offensive if only because, at the time, being black was in itself considered a bad thing. Therefore, any word used to describe the state of being black would have ugly connotations.

@terdon I guess describing people as "common" or "unrefined" would be the same, no?

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/vulgar <== Interestingly that doesn't list the "old" meaning at all

6:24 PM

True, true.

@qasdfdsaq Again yes, since that would only ever be used by the upper classes. or those who considered themselves better for whatever reason.

However, at least in Spanish, vulgarisación doesn't imply anything bad. One would use it to describe a science lecture that was aimed at non-scientists, for example.

Ooh, Far Cry Primal is out already

Same in French.

That Brazilian Guy

@terdon It does in Portuguese

"Negro" is still non-derogatory in Spanish AFAIK

6:27 PM

@qasdfdsaq Sure ti does. That's the first one.

@ThatBrazilianGuy Does what? Carry bad connotations?

@qasdfdsaq Well yes. It means black. Both the color and the people. You can't really make the word for "black" offensive, how else would you describe the color?

Or at least in South America, it's the name of 3 rivers.

books.google.com/… - good read

@terdon "Coloured"... paper? :-P

"African American" pen? "Dark skinned" mobile phone? >_>

OK. Stop it now.

That Brazilian Guy

@terdon Follow the ~~white rabbit~~ chat arrows :P

Yeah, in Portuguese it's pretty much the same conotation as in English

6:29 PM

Really?

That Brazilian Guy

Yeah

Has it ever meant black in English though, or just Spanish-derived languages?

@ThatBrazilianGuy Huh. In that case, I might be getting confused with French. Spanish also has divulgación.

I prefer vulcanization myself

That Brazilian Guy

@terdon translate.google.com/#pt/en/divulgar

6:32 PM

Nope, I was right. Spanish also has the non offensive meaning:

> Exponer una ciencia, o una materia técnica cualquiera, en forma fácilmente asequible al vulgo.

@ThatBrazilianGuy Isn't that just "divulge"?

That Brazilian Guy

Well, the more you know...

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@qasdfdsaq No.

@qasdfdsaq More like popularize if it's like Spanish. As in popular science

Oh.

@ThatBrazilianGuy But the second one is divulge

That Brazilian Guy

@terdon Actually "popularizar" means "to make more popular (as in get more people to know it)"

6:34 PM

Greetings, @Greetings

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That Brazilian Guy

@qasdfdsaq Yes, the second one in a large list. Therefore, it is not "just divulge"

Yeah but disclose and divulge are basically synonyms, and it's a fairly simple letter substitution so that's what my simple mind clings to

@ThatBrazilianGuy I meant that divulgar can mean popularize. I only assume this from Spanish though. What are popular science books called in Portuguese? Books that explain scientific concepts to non-experts?

That Brazilian Guy

@terdon Yeah, but unlike in English, in Portuguese "popularizar" means exclusively "spread the knowledge to a larger audience", and it has no meaning similar to "simplify to a less technical audience".

@terdon I don't think there's a specific denomination to this kind of books; they're not really popular around here.

Fair Elections and STV

Jon Ericson on March 1, 2016

The US is embroiled in party primary voting which is a good time to talk about the STV system Stack Exchange uses to elect moderators.

6:42 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy Oh come on! That can't be true! Orden y progreso and all that :)

That Brazilian Guy

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:)

That Brazilian Guy

Education Index

The United Nations publishes a Human Development Index (HDI) every year, which consists of the Life Expectancy Index, Education index, and Income index. The Education Index is calculated from the Mean years of schooling index and the Expected years of schooling index. Education is a major component of well-being and is used in the measure of economic development and quality of life, which is a key factor determining whether a country is a developed, developing, or underdeveloped nation. == CalculationEdit == Education index EI is calculated from "Expected years of schooling" EYS (Number of years...

@ThatBrazilianGuy Yeah, yeah. That doesn't mean you don't have a word for it! I've met some perfectly good Brazilian scientists after all. I'm sure they don't reflect the average member of the populace, sadly, but surely the vocabulary is there.

That Brazilian Guy

Our education is worse than Qatar, Libya and some countries devastated by war. Yay.

6:48 PM

Well, at least you're not Greece.

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That Brazilian Guy

@terdon No, we're just 56 places behind Greece! Wheeeeee!

@ThatBrazilianGuy Fair enough. Greece might still have a better educational system but that's rapidly collapsing just like everything else in the country is. But yes, if I'm being serious, from what I know of Brazil, I still don't think Greece would like to switch places.

I wouldn't mind importing some of your meats though. Mmmmm

That Brazilian Guy

I can't claim to know the reality of other countries. And even knowing my own country well is quite complex.

@ThatBrazilianGuy Seeing as your country is about the size of my continent, I'm not surprised :)

That Brazilian Guy

6:55 PM

Historically there's such a immensely huge divide between middle and upper classes and the lower classes, it's almost as if there's two distinct realities coexisting. Depending on who you ask, there's either nothing wrong or everything wrong.

As it's always has been

@terdon Not to mention those are 2013 figures.

Wait are we talking about Spain or Brazil here?

That Brazilian Guy

@qasdfdsaq Trinidad y Tobago, of course.

Huh. The Port of Spain is in Trinidad.

TIL

That Brazilian Guy

Just kidding.

Actually we're talking about my beloved hometown, Elbonia.

Googling for Elbonia only comes up with Dilbert related results

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