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8:03 PM
@Wezl Think of it like a before/after commercial, where it used to be ugly Python code, and then it was turned into beautiful Lisp code :P
That said, most before/after commercials are dumb, so I downvoted your answer.
 
@user disappointed you lied to me
 
Huh, CR mod elections just started
 
It's scary how predictable the nominations for ROs were, other than Wezl being downvoted that much
 
now you have to make it right, by actually downvoting
 
@Wezl Don't worry, I'll keep my promise and downvote all your posts to make up for the lie :P
 
8:05 PM
that better not be a lie
 
@Wezl It's not.
 
it's not a lie or it's not not a lie? :P
 
Yes :P
 
@user I expected me, Redwolf, you, Lyxal, Adam and Bubbler to nominate themselves and get most of the votes, and I kinda expected a "wildcard" candidate who would get not many votes
Didn't expect 2 wildcards, nor did I expect downvotes/negative scores
 
I knew you and Bubbler would come out on top, and kinda expected Adám to too, with Redwolf and Lyxal in 4th and 5th place (not in that order), then me a few votes down.
@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah, that felt kinda unfair.
Probably raisin-haters brigading CGCC :P
 
8:10 PM
yea very surprised by so many downvoters
the rest is expected though
 
I do agree with mbomb's comment underneath it tho, and is probably the reasoning behind a lot of downvotes. Remember that downvotes on meta mean "I disagree with the message/point of this post"
So it's more "I would not vote for you as RO, and/or I don't think you should be an RO", rather than anything specific against Wezl
 
Yeah, it's almost certainly not personal, but I figured people expressed that by just not upvoting rather than downvoting.
 
yea
 
only on main
 
I feel like most people will only upvote candidates they want but not downvote the ones they dislike
 
8:14 PM
that's what I did
 
For voting, will downvotes affect it, or will only upvotes be tallied?
 
wait can you even bounty on meta?
 
@RedwolfPrograms If it's anything like any other election, I believe it'll be net score
 
No
 
Ah, then the "spectrum" is smaller and downvoting is the natural consequence
 
8:16 PM
Gonna be a lot of flags raised today :P
 
> flag it if it's not sed
@Wezl I screwed up
My downvote's locked in, can you edit your answer?
Preferably with something like "Scala and Hy are better than Python"
 
wdym you're going to ununlie?
well ununlie =/= lie so ok
 
No
 
@Wezl Strongly disagree with that. Upvote if I think it's good (or I've answered it or it's answering my challenges), bounty if I think it's really good, downvote if it's bad or low-effort, flag if it's breaking rules, otherwise do nothing
 
8:19 PM
I downvoted your answer, I didn't say I'd keep it there
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing okay I disagree too
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing That's going to be hard. How do I contact you every time I think you might find an answer good or really good, or you've answered it already? :P
 
lol
 
May I edit your answer?
 
@RedwolfPrograms yes; the process is basically just going to be: i lock the nominations post, post the voting thread asap, wait a week, lock the voting thread, take the top four people based on upvote/downvote, superping WW and JoKing again, and as long as they have nothing against the selected candidates, grant them RO access
 
8:21 PM
if you want
 
If there's a tie, will more than four people get chosen?
 
Nah, the winner is chosen by a golf-off :P
 
haven't considered that lol
 
I'd say it's fine if more than four people get chosen, it's not like more ROs is a bad thing.
 
Mar 26 at 16:20, by Original Original Original VI
Petition to decide room owners with a golfing showdown
 
8:23 PM
@RedwolfPrograms in that case I'll unupvote someone :P
 
is +10/-2 better or +12/-4
 
@RedwolfPrograms Said by the person who may be in 4th or 5th place o.O :P
 
i think the first one should be chosen since they have a better ratio
 
second because they're more interesting
 
If there's that sort of thing then yeah, but I doubt there'll be many downvotes in 4th/5th
 
8:24 PM
"interesting" is totally a good thing
 
The rest of us can bring popcorn and watch the drama unfold.
 
we could always tiebreak by activity or rep or something like that
 
That seems arbitrary (and kinda unfair)
 
I think, unless the tie is between more than 2 people, having 5 ROs is perfectly fine
 
8:25 PM
cross that bridge if and when we come to it
 
activity's not a bad metric
 
we'll burn that bridge when we get to it
 
I agree with caird
but yeah we can figure it out then
 
If we end up having a 3-way tie for 4th, then it gets interesting :P
 
Or just shrink the bridge
 
8:26 PM
like redwolf and caird have both said, it's not like i can't just decide to give a 5th person RO
 
everyone here should just be a RO :P the more the merrier
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing then i only instate 3 :D
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing If that happens, I'll probably one of the 3, and I'll just withdraw
 
ties are broken by rock paper scissors
4
 
8:26 PM
It's gonna turn out to be a tie between me and Bubbler, just you see :P
 
@hyper-neutrino Wait but RPS has ties too
 
@hyper-neutrino how are ties broken there? ninja'd
 
@user Settle those ties with RPS
 
I have a game like RPS that can't have ties
 
Mar 26 at 16:20, by Original Original Original VI
Petition to decide room owners with a golfing showdown
 
8:27 PM
@hyper-neutrino New version: Rock Paper Scissors Tie :P
 
@user A golfing showdown makes the most sense on a site like CGCC
 
The players decide to be either player one or player two. Both pick either 0 or 1. If they pick the same number, one wins. If they pick different ones, two wins.
 
there's a game like RPS where you decide roles A and B, and then you both present your hand palm up or down
if they're equal, A wins, if they're inequal, B wins
and i got ninja'd
 
Wait does that exist already?
 
i've seen it before
 
8:29 PM
Why are all of my good ideas things that have existed for a long time, like that, huffman coding, and those tacos with doritos as the shells?
 
@user I say we rank the nominees by the length of the most recent answer, and the 4 shortest win
And no, I don't support this just because I recently answered with a 5 byte Jelly answer :P
 
I agree!
 
No, it should be a KotH!
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing And I posted a 2 byte answer :P
 
King of the Nineteenth Byte
 
8:30 PM
@RedwolfPrograms Great, I win because of Crab's sheer meanness awesomeness.
 
it should be decided via CnR. the cops are the RO candidates, and the robbers will be people writing programs to do bad stuff to chat without being caught, of course
 
@user I think you'll find Low Blow at the top of the leaderboard :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I choose to use number of wins as the final metric because I don't like losing it makes more sense.
 
@Lyxal Happy? I just got my 69th unique badge, and I have 69 silver badges :P
@user I'm fine with that, Low Blow's 2nd on wins as well :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Great, we can eliminate all the other candidates this way!
 
8:33 PM
quickly, upvote caird's answers, only need 5 more score for the tag badge so they'll have 70 instead of 69
 
I'm caird, and I support this message :P
I'm 3 upvotes away from repcapping as well, so I extra support this message :P
 
It's confirmed: caird and HN are the same person.
 
We're all the same person
Remeber the hivemind?
 
We're not the same person, just the same mind.
 
Oh, good point.
 
8:37 PM
Also, I just realised that HN, as a mod, can edit their message so it looks like I support anything they want :/
 
And just like the tentacles of an octopus, each body has some amount of independence.
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing i could always just edit your message to say whatever i want, BTW...
 
@user Last time I checked, my dog wasn't an anime girl :P
@hyper-neutrino Yeah, but that's not as funny :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing check again
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Might want to check again
 
8:38 PM
Reminds me of when I'd use /tellraw to make my friends say embarassing stuff on minecraft servers :p
 
Damn ninjas
 
Well, he's sat on my feet, so I'd very much know if he was :P
 
@RedwolfPrograms i am speed — hyper-neutrino ♦ Apr 5 at 15:07
 
@hyper-neutrino As long as you're not on speed
 
I just realised that Naughty or Nice? is brutal against the random bots. If they return any number other than 5 specific ones, it just immediately plays 1 for the rest of the match
 
8:41 PM
Kinda like Grim Trigger
 
Yeah
Those two "insta-kill" anything that isn't easily predictable :P
 
It could be good against this bot: codegolf.stackexchange.com/…
2
 
@RedwolfPrograms Why in the hell did I just blindly click that?
 
nope nope nope nope nope
 
8:43 PM
You interrupted my Taylor Swift binge :/
Although, it is a banger, so I'll make an exception :P
 
Just heard someone else near me get rickrolled so I had to pass on the favor :p
 
@RedwolfPrograms The url there was genius
I haven't actually heard the rickroll video in over a year
And even then, I only heard about the first five seconds of it.
 
my first reaction on clicking was actually "oops I forgot to load it using invidious"
I didn't let it load of course
I can't let random links ruin my yt recommendations
 
I hate when I need to do something like repair a doorknob and then all I get for the next month are videos about doorknob repair
 
You don't like that song?
 
8:46 PM
@RedwolfPrograms What are you doing to our mod???
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Someone else did it, Redwolf is just fixing them
 
since i hate fun, made a userscript to just close the window if you get rickrolled :P here
5
 
@hyper-neutrino Ah, finally, safety :D
 
@hyper-neutrino It's not working for me :(
 
8:48 PM
@hyper-neutrino this is the first actually good bait I've seen
 
@hyper-neutrino The entire window?
 
i now know how it feels to be around lyxal's fridge (or whatever it was)
@user window.close just closes the tab it seems
 
Oh ok
 
@hyper-neutrino The problem is that it only works for v=dQw4w9WgXcQ. A better one would work for all the other "rickroll but it's different" videos
 
Here's a real rickroll blocker: gist.github.com/RedwolfPrograms/…
Just threw it together
 
8:50 PM
:P
Oh nvm it's serious
 
No really, you can hover over the link and everything. It's real.
 
Just blocks the one video, though
 
oh i didn't add run-at document-start to mine so it might play like a frame of audio before closing
 
@RedwolfPrograms I meant that I thought it closed any tab, didn't see the @match
 
Try it, it's practically instant
 
8:50 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah so make it run on all of youtube.com :)
 
Also, it's wild that you could show most people of a certain age range "dQw4w9WgXcQ", a completely random and weird string of letters and numbers, and they'll understand what it's referring to
Like, idk about y'all, but most people in my school had/have the rickroll URL memorised
 
I just memorized the w4w
 
@RedwolfPrograms was this some massive IQ way of getting me to voluntarily rickroll myself, or did something go wrong cuz it didn't close the page
 
It's mostly died down here, so none of us did that
 
Yes
I got you to Rickroll yourself
 
8:52 PM
>:-(
 
gtg for now though
 
Big brain moment right htere
 
Lyxal needs to retire from rickrolling, I don't think they could ever top that :D
 
@RedwolfPrograms Grooming the goats for now though
 
8:53 PM
i had a bad feeling about document.close(); should've expected that to not work TBH
 
The very first KotH, created just under 10 years ago (17 days under tbp)
 
I'm pretty sure window.close() only works on tabs/windows opened by window.open()
So a userscript like that wouldn't be possible anyway, unless you just did document.write("") to make it open a blank page
Or location.href to some chrome error page
 
@RedwolfPrograms well, the userscript i wrote did work, so, /shrug/
 
9:22 PM
CMM: What is the meta tag for? What types of questions should it be used on, and does that fit with the 6 it's already on?
 
The one I was (just) reading was a contest-type proposal, which makes sense. This is similar, but overall it's not used the right way.
 
9:36 PM
@hyper-neutrino Huh, that's odd. I guess it's a userscript-only thing since using it in the console gives me Scripts may close only the windows that were opened by them.
 
10:11 PM
Requiring a slightly cumbersome output format (in order to standardise answers) isn't too much of a problem in non-code-golf challenges (e.g. CnR or KotH), right?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing no, I don't think I will :p
@cairdcoinheringaahing seeing as how the whole point of lenient IO is to avoid boilerplate in code golf, and given that byte count isn't necessarily important in those tag types, I think having a strict format is okay
 
10:33 PM
Apparently there's a bug in Minecraft where you can't make superflat worlds in servers
Guess I'll try making one normally, then copy the world data in
 
Just got an email saying I've used grammarly 75 weeks in a row
Lol
 
@RedwolfPrograms that's weird, cuz when i ran it in my console on the rickroll video page it worked totally fine
 
:p
Okay, server is up. Join if you want to help with the computer :p
 
CMQ: What is your most starred github repo
 
10:42 PM
@Lyxal Add++
 
@Lyxal a disgusting lisp interpreter I made in lua
 
@RedwolfPrograms I think userscripts have more privileges then web pages
 
@Lyxal I have one star on StackExchange and one star on another repo (by you, I think)
 
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CMQ: Which of your repos (not necessarily on github) are you most proud of?
 
10:52 PM
@user Vyxal (obviously) and Keg
 
@user Ash, followed by probably dotcomma
maybe userscripts
 
@Lyxal Vyxal's cool, never used Keg though
 
@user oh, definitely not on github
 
Why not?
 
because I don't put my nice things there
 
10:54 PM
They're on Codeberg, I think
@Wezl because I don...a superhero cape and fight crime?
 
A farmer seems to want to work in my prototype memory cell
 
Should I know what that means?
 
@RedwolfPrograms let them
 
Y'all can join if you want
 
minecraft?
 
10:56 PM
@user farmer (villager) wants to do things (stand around and make their trades better) in a memory cell that Redwolf is experimenting with to make a computer in minecraft
 
Actually I found a better one using droppers so the farmer is free to not get crushed to death anymore
 
@hyper-neutrino hey that's no fun. You reached into my brain and stole a potential challenge idea
that's very rude. I never gave you permission to transverse my inner thoughts. ;p
 
@Lyxal Oh, that makes much more sense
 
@user that's why I explained it like that.
 
That project has 42 security alerts
Btw, how do you make images display smaller?
 
11:04 PM
you don't
afaik
Ah yes, implementing ternary conditional checking in python using lists and lambdas:
[lambda: custom_base, lambda: range(0, int(custom_base))][type(custom_base) in (int, float)]()
 
Making a compact XOR gate in MC if harder than I thought it'd be
 
really? I've not done that in years but I seem to remember it being fairly straightforward
 
Okay figured out something with comparators that wiorks
 
@RedwolfPrograms this?
 
Yep, same setup
 
11:13 PM
cool
 
@Lyxal my apologies; i'll return your thoughts directly to your brain
 
@hyper-neutrino thank you. I appreciate that. ;p
 
@NewSandboxedPosts Any feedback? The Koth/CnR crossover isn't something I have experience with tbh :/
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing it's something I once sandboxed and lost interest in due to the complexity of writing the controller
 
Woah there's 19 people in the nineteenth byte
One byte per person
 
Built a tiny half-adder :D
 
Aw 2 people just left ruining the joke
 
@Bubbler It looks incredibly hard, I look forward to seeing the solutions :)
Other than that, it looks clear
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Maybe add a time limit for cops as well?
Possibly more than 1 minute, just to make sure a maze generation doesn't take like an hour
Other than that, it looks cool, although I agree with Bubbler that "a full Dijkstra impl in C will almost surely win as a robber"
Maybe A*
 
11:42 PM
Okay, I can now increment a two bit number :p
 
I finally learned brainfuck a bit, now golfing time
 
@Delfad0r Good idea
 
Is there any cat related esolang?
 
Unix cat or fluffy cat?
 
fluffy
 
11:53 PM
LOLCODE
 
StackCats
 
now you've got me thinking about what a "fuzzy cat" would do
 
Those are only cat related by name thougn
 
LOLCODE by theme more than name
 
11:55 PM
someone downvoted the nominations post :P (the question itself)
 
@hyper-neutrino interesting
 
See, I kinda want to try to write a Koth: "Pass a Turing Test", but it'd be difficult to establish a good "metric" for how well it could pass
 
That was me. I did it because I don't there's an actual need for new room owners.
 
Oh. Okay, fair enough. I don't mind and I wasn't expecting an explanation I just noticed it :P
 
@pppery Any particular reasons beyond "There isn't much call for new ROs"? That seems to be the biggest against reason I can think of
Potentially, you could measure the ability of a bot to "pass" a turing test by having a chat room with N users in it. Each bot is tested by joining that chat room and starting a brief conversation. However, the "bot" field is half bots, half other users pretending to be bots. After each bot has it's conversation, the N users in the room vote yay or nay on whether it was a bot or not
 

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