@Wezl Think of it like a before/after commercial, where it used to be ugly Python code, and then it was turned into beautiful Lisp code :P

That said, most before/after commercials are dumb, so I downvoted your answer.

@user disappointed you lied to me

Huh, CR mod elections just started

It's scary how predictable the nominations for ROs were, other than Wezl being downvoted that much

now you have to make it right, by actually downvoting

@Wezl Don't worry, I'll keep my promise and downvote all your posts to make up for the lie :P

that better not be a lie

@Wezl It's not.

it's not a lie or it's not not a lie? :P

Yes :P

@user I expected me, Redwolf, you, Lyxal, Adam and Bubbler to nominate themselves and get most of the votes, and I kinda expected a "wildcard" candidate who would get not many votes

Didn't expect 2 wildcards, nor did I expect downvotes/negative scores

I knew you and Bubbler would come out on top, and kinda expected Adám to too, with Redwolf and Lyxal in 4th and 5th place (not in that order), then me a few votes down.

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah, that felt kinda unfair.

Probably raisin-haters brigading CGCC :P

yea very surprised by so many downvoters

the rest is expected though

I do agree with mbomb's comment underneath it tho, and is probably the reasoning behind a lot of downvotes. Remember that downvotes on meta mean "I disagree with the message/point of this post"

So it's more "I would not vote for you as RO, and/or I don't think you should be an RO", rather than anything specific against Wezl

Yeah, it's almost certainly not personal, but I figured people expressed that by just not upvoting rather than downvoting.

yea

only on main

I feel like most people will only upvote candidates they want but not downvote the ones they dislike

that's what I did

For voting, will downvotes affect it, or will only upvotes be tallied?

wait can you even bounty on meta?

@RedwolfPrograms If it's anything like any other election, I believe it'll be net score

No

Ah, then the "spectrum" is smaller and downvoting is the natural consequence

Gonna be a lot of flags raised today :P

Why?

> flag it if it's not sed

@Wezl I screwed up

My downvote's locked in, can you edit your answer?

Preferably with something like "Scala and Hy are better than Python"

wdym you're going to ununlie?

well ununlie =/= lie so ok

No

@Wezl Strongly disagree with that. Upvote if I think it's good (or I've answered it or it's answering my challenges), bounty if I think it's really good, downvote if it's bad or low-effort, flag if it's breaking rules, otherwise do nothing

I downvoted your answer, I didn't say I'd keep it there

@cairdcoinheringaahing okay I disagree too

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's going to be hard. How do I contact you every time I think you might find an answer good or really good, or you've answered it already? :P

lol

May I edit your answer?

@RedwolfPrograms yes; the process is basically just going to be: i lock the nominations post, post the voting thread asap, wait a week, lock the voting thread, take the top four people based on upvote/downvote, superping WW and JoKing again, and as long as they have nothing against the selected candidates, grant them RO access

if you want

If there's a tie, will more than four people get chosen?

Nah, the winner is chosen by a golf-off :P

haven't considered that lol

I'd say it's fine if more than four people get chosen, it's not like more ROs is a bad thing.

@RedwolfPrograms in that case I'll unupvote someone :P

is +10/-2 better or +12/-4

@RedwolfPrograms Said by the person who may be in 4th or 5th place o.O :P

i think the first one should be chosen since they have a better ratio

second because they're more interesting

If there's that sort of thing then yeah, but I doubt there'll be many downvotes in 4th/5th

"interesting" is totally a good thing

true

The rest of us can bring popcorn and watch the drama unfold.

we could always tiebreak by activity or rep or something like that

That seems arbitrary (and kinda unfair)

I think, unless the tie is between more than 2 people, having 5 ROs is perfectly fine

cross that bridge if and when we come to it

activity's not a bad metric

we'll burn that bridge when we get to it

I agree with caird

but yeah we can figure it out then

If we end up having a 3-way tie for 4th, then it gets interesting :P

Or just shrink the bridge

like redwolf and caird have both said, it's not like i can't just decide to give a 5th person RO

everyone here should just be a RO :P the more the merrier

@cairdcoinheringaahing then i only instate 3 :D

D:

@cairdcoinheringaahing If that happens, I'll probably one of the 3, and I'll just withdraw

ties are broken by rock paper scissors

It's gonna turn out to be a tie between me and Bubbler, just you see :P

@hyper-neutrino Wait but RPS has ties too

@hyper-neutrino how are ties broken there? ninja'd

@user Settle those ties with RPS

I have a game like RPS that can't have ties

@hyper-neutrino New version: Rock Paper Scissors Tie :P

@user A golfing showdown makes the most sense on a site like CGCC

The players decide to be either player one or player two. Both pick either 0 or 1. If they pick the same number, one wins. If they pick different ones, two wins.

there's a game like RPS where you decide roles A and B, and then you both present your hand palm up or down

if they're equal, A wins, if they're inequal, B wins

and i got ninja'd

i've seen it before

Why are all of my good ideas things that have existed for a long time, like that, huffman coding, and those tacos with doritos as the shells?

@user I say we rank the nominees by the length of the most recent code-golf answer, and the 4 shortest win

And no, I don't support this just because I recently answered with a 5 byte Jelly answer :P

I agree!

No, it should be a KotH!

@cairdcoinheringaahing And I posted a 2 byte answer :P

King of the Nineteenth Byte

@RedwolfPrograms Great, I win because of Crab's sheer meanness awesomeness.

it should be decided via CnR. the cops are the RO candidates, and the robbers will be people writing programs to do bad stuff to chat without being caught, of course

@user I think you'll find Low Blow at the top of the leaderboard :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing I choose to use number of wins as the final metric because I don't like losing it makes more sense.

@Lyxal Happy? I just got my 69th unique badge, and I have 69 silver badges :P

@user I'm fine with that, Low Blow's 2nd on wins as well :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing Great, we can eliminate all the other candidates this way!

quickly, upvote caird's decision-problem answers, only need 5 more score for the tag badge so they'll have 70 instead of 69

I'm caird, and I support this message :P

I'm 3 upvotes away from repcapping as well, so I extra support this message :P

It's confirmed: caird and HN are the same person.

We're all the same person

Remeber the hivemind?

We're not the same person, just the same mind.

Oh, good point.

Also, I just realised that HN, as a mod, can edit their message so it looks like I support anything they want :/

And just like the tentacles of an octopus, each body has some amount of independence.

@cairdcoinheringaahing i could always just edit your message to say whatever i want, BTW...

@user Last time I checked, my dog wasn't an anime girl :P

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, but that's not as funny :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing check again

@cairdcoinheringaahing Might want to check again

Reminds me of when I'd use /tellraw to make my friends say embarassing stuff on minecraft servers :p

Damn ninjas

Well, he's sat on my feet, so I'd very much know if he was :P

@hyper-neutrino As long as you're not on speed

I just realised that Naughty or Nice? is brutal against the random bots. If they return any number other than 5 specific ones, it just immediately plays 1 for the rest of the match

Kinda like Grim Trigger

Yeah

Those two "insta-kill" anything that isn't easily predictable :P

The auto-update script is just making me hate python more >:|

It could be good against this bot: codegolf.stackexchange.com/…

@RedwolfPrograms Why in the hell did I just blindly click that?

nope nope nope nope nope

You interrupted my Taylor Swift binge :/

Although, it is a banger, so I'll make an exception :P

Just heard someone else near me get rickrolled so I had to pass on the favor :p

@RedwolfPrograms The url there was genius

I haven't actually heard the rickroll video in over a year

And even then, I only heard about the first five seconds of it.

my first reaction on clicking was actually "oops I forgot to load it using invidious"

I didn't let it load of course

I can't let random links ruin my yt recommendations

I hate when I need to do something like repair a doorknob and then all I get for the next month are videos about doorknob repair

You don't like that song?

@RedwolfPrograms What are you doing to our mod???

@cairdcoinheringaahing Someone else did it, Redwolf is just fixing them

since i hate fun, made a userscript to just close the window if you get rickrolled :P here

@hyper-neutrino Ah, finally, safety :D

(since there's no way anyone's actually falling for that i actually did make one it literally just does window.close() it's like the most boring userscript in existence and i am promptly uninstalling it from my computer because it's dumb)

@hyper-neutrino It's not working for me :(

@hyper-neutrino this is the first actually good bait I've seen

@hyper-neutrino The entire window?

i now know how it feels to be around lyxal's fridge (or whatever it was)

@user window.close just closes the tab it seems

Oh ok

@hyper-neutrino The problem is that it only works for v=dQw4w9WgXcQ. A better one would work for all the other "rickroll but it's different" videos

Here's a real rickroll blocker: gist.github.com/RedwolfPrograms/…

Just threw it together

:P

Oh nvm it's serious

No really, you can hover over the link and everything. It's real.

Just blocks the one video, though

oh i didn't add run-at document-start to mine so it might play like a frame of audio before closing

@RedwolfPrograms I meant that I thought it closed any tab, didn't see the @match

Try it, it's practically instant

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah so make it run on all of youtube.com :)

Also, it's wild that you could show most people of a certain age range "dQw4w9WgXcQ", a completely random and weird string of letters and numbers, and they'll understand what it's referring to

Like, idk about y'all, but most people in my school had/have the rickroll URL memorised

I just memorized the w4w

@RedwolfPrograms was this some massive IQ way of getting me to voluntarily rickroll myself, or did something go wrong cuz it didn't close the page

It's mostly died down here, so none of us did that

Yes

I got you to Rickroll yourself

>:-(

gtg for now though

Big brain moment right htere

Lyxal needs to retire from rickrolling, I don't think they could ever top that :D

@RedwolfPrograms Grooming the goats for now though

indeed

i had a bad feeling about document.close(); should've expected that to not work TBH

The very first KotH, created just under 10 years ago (17 days under tbp)

I'm pretty sure window.close() only works on tabs/windows opened by window.open()

So a userscript like that wouldn't be possible anyway, unless you just did document.write("") to make it open a blank page

Or location.href to some chrome error page

@RedwolfPrograms well, the userscript i wrote did work, so, /shrug/

CMM: What is the contest-type meta tag for? What types of questions should it be used on, and does that fit with the 6 it's already on?

The one I was (just) reading was a contest-type proposal, which makes sense. This is similar, but overall it's not used the right way.

@hyper-neutrino Huh, that's odd. I guess it's a userscript-only thing since using it in the console gives me Scripts may close only the windows that were opened by them.

Requiring a slightly cumbersome output format (in order to standardise answers) isn't too much of a problem in non-code-golf challenges (e.g. CnR or KotH), right?

@cairdcoinheringaahing no, I don't think I will :p

@cairdcoinheringaahing seeing as how the whole point of lenient IO is to avoid boilerplate in code golf, and given that byte count isn't necessarily important in those tag types, I think having a strict format is okay

Apparently there's a bug in Minecraft where you can't make superflat worlds in servers

Guess I'll try making one normally, then copy the world data in

Just got an email saying I've used grammarly 75 weeks in a row

Lol

@RedwolfPrograms that's weird, cuz when i ran it in my console on the rickroll video page it worked totally fine

:p

Okay, server is up. Join if you want to help with the computer :p

CMQ: What is your most starred github repo

unsure

@Lyxal Add++

@Lyxal a disgusting lisp interpreter I made in lua

@RedwolfPrograms I think userscripts have more privileges then web pages

@Lyxal I have one star on StackExchange and one star on another repo (by you, I think)

CMQ: Which of your repos (not necessarily on github) are you most proud of?

@user Vyxal (obviously) and Keg

@user Ash, followed by probably dotcomma

maybe userscripts

@Lyxal Vyxal's cool, never used Keg though

@user oh, definitely not on github

Why not?

because I don't put my nice things there

They're on Codeberg, I think

@Wezl because I don...a superhero cape and fight crime?

A farmer seems to want to work in my prototype memory cell

Should I know what that means?

@RedwolfPrograms let them

Y'all can join if you want

minecraft?

@user farmer (villager) wants to do things (stand around and make their trades better) in a memory cell that Redwolf is experimenting with to make a computer in minecraft

Actually I found a better one using droppers so the farmer is free to not get crushed to death anymore

@hyper-neutrino hey that's no fun. You reached into my brain and stole a potential challenge idea

that's very rude. I never gave you permission to transverse my inner thoughts. ;p

@Lyxal Oh, that makes much more sense

@user that's why I explained it like that.

That project has 42 security alerts

Btw, how do you make images display smaller?

you don't

afaik

Ah yes, implementing ternary conditional checking in python using lists and lambdas:

[lambda: custom_base, lambda: range(0, int(custom_base))][type(custom_base) in (int, float)]()

Making a compact XOR gate in MC if harder than I thought it'd be

really? I've not done that in years but I seem to remember it being fairly straightforward

Okay figured out something with comparators that wiorks

@RedwolfPrograms this?

Yep, same setup

cool

@Lyxal my apologies; i'll return your thoughts directly to your brain

@hyper-neutrino thank you. I appreciate that. ;p

@NewSandboxedPosts Any feedback? The Koth/CnR crossover isn't something I have experience with tbh :/

@cairdcoinheringaahing it's something I once sandboxed and lost interest in due to the complexity of writing the controller

Any feedback or testcase ideas?

Woah there's 19 people in the nineteenth byte

One byte per person

Built a tiny half-adder :D

Aw 2 people just left ruining the joke

@Bubbler It looks incredibly hard, I look forward to seeing the solutions :)

Other than that, it looks clear

@cairdcoinheringaahing Maybe add a time limit for cops as well?

Possibly more than 1 minute, just to make sure a maze generation doesn't take like an hour

Other than that, it looks cool, although I agree with Bubbler that "a full Dijkstra impl in C will almost surely win as a robber"

Maybe A*

Okay, I can now increment a two bit number :p

I finally learned brainfuck a bit, now golfing time

@Delfad0r Good idea

Is there any cat related esolang?

Unix cat or fluffy cat?

fluffy

LOLCODE

StackCats

now you've got me thinking about what a "fuzzy cat" would do

Those are only cat related by name thougn

LOLCODE by theme more than name

^

someone downvoted the nominations post :P (the question itself)

@hyper-neutrino interesting

See, I kinda want to try to write a Koth: "Pass a Turing Test", but it'd be difficult to establish a good "metric" for how well it could pass

That was me. I did it because I don't there's an actual need for new room owners.

Oh. Okay, fair enough. I don't mind and I wasn't expecting an explanation I just noticed it :P

@pppery Any particular reasons beyond "There isn't much call for new ROs"? That seems to be the biggest against reason I can think of

Potentially, you could measure the ability of a bot to "pass" a turing test by having a chat room with N users in it. Each bot is tested by joining that chat room and starting a brief conversation. However, the "bot" field is half bots, half other users pretending to be bots. After each bot has it's conversation, the N users in the room vote yay or nay on whether it was a bot or not