The Nineteenth Byte

Poke

10:00 PM

ciao for now, folks. I'm hungry

Upgoat

@Poke Bye!

flawr

For any spaceflight fans: youtube.com/watch?v=8fZajPX6qm4&t=1h53m

feersum

@SEJPM If you didn't get any votes, that doesn't signal that the challenge is ready.

Upgoat

relevent to topic of unit tests

SEJPM

@feersum so it should just stay there indefinitely?

feersum

10:04 PM

Hmm, you said no activity but there are several comments on it.

Upgoat

@flawr cool

Rainbolt

I want to find a more up to date version of this table: programmers.stackexchange.com/a/301540/189306

But I can't :(

SEJPM

@feersum you're looking at the CNF one, this one isn't yet past the minimal 24h wait time and I've already fixed the input format as suggested in the comments

the TEA one however got nothing at all (no comments / no votes) for more than 24h (which is why I'm thinking about posting it on main)

feersum

Keep waiting then.

SEJPM

until something happens or it wanders onto page 100 of the sandbox? ;)

feersum

10:07 PM

Yeah, page 100 or 10 years should be good.

SEJPM

ok, I'll extend to one week for now then and see if anything changes ;)

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Q: What can be done about code golf challenges that encourage writing malicious code?

Related question, featuring a malicious Stack App): http://stackapps.com/questions/6944/the-serial-downvoters-app-suite What can we do about code golf challenges that encourage participants to write malicious code, like virus-coding challenges, hacking-related puzzles, etc?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh, that dude

Helka Homba

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ \o/ good luck

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

thanks. it'll probably look like moderate chicken scratch but eh :P

orlp

10:16 PM

just so there is no confusion

you guys know what a pupper is right?

Quill

Of course. It's a baby dog

orlp

@Quill noo

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^

orlp

it's a tiny doggo

and just to be clear, a doggo is a big ol' pupper

Quill

woah you're blowing my mind here @orlp

SEJPM

10:17 PM

Just a quick FYI everyone: You actually helped me find a crashing bug in the android app :)

Bigtoes

I'm disappointed in you guys. I left for 32 hours and only 2390 new messages in here.

Quill

HAI BIGTOES

Bigtoes

ello

Also, what gives? codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/54190/narawagames

:P

Helka Homba

@Bigtoes Half are just a pop-con debate -_-

Bigtoes

I suppose that isn't much of a surprise.

Quill

10:26 PM

@Bigtoes stealing your icon... that's no good

Bigtoes

I know, right? And mine is a totally original, clearly not stolen icon at that.

Quill

and his is all pixelated

Optimizer

@flawr make it 13187 rep

Bigtoes

Hmm. I just got a gold [android] badge on SO. I haven't answered an android question there in over two years. It's nice to see that all those little +10s that come dribbling in eventually add up.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I got a new one to teach Chatgoat.

Upgoat

10:29 PM

@VTCAKAVSMoACE oh god

Dennis

@Upgoat Those are usually popular because they're extremely easy, so shutting out all newcomers is really counter-productive. For example, the primality catalog got a stellar Hexagony answer from a 1 rep user. I'd rather deal with a few sub-par answers than shutting out newcomers altogether.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@Upgoat #should've-one-boxed-it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

o____o

Upgoat

^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Bigtoes he's pressing your button(s)

nevermind

Quill

10:35 PM

@Dennis +1, new users posting awesome content is amazing

Upgoat

@Dennis I very much agree with you but they are still cases where questions should be protected imo.

@Quill did you finish your SE-node-chat-API yet? :3

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Quill what is this API the goat talks about?

Quill

kinda... It's a little borked at the moment

I'm working on a project that's basically a native chat app for SE

and the code that works for the Terminal, my bots and my chat modules is in there

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ooo nice

Upgoat

@Quill ah, ok

Quill

10:38 PM

but it doesn't work for my native project.... I have no idea why

Upgoat

I wanna run Chatgoat from node idk how to do that

halp, how to cast in cheddar without infinite loop >_>

chat.stackexchange.com/…

Quill

chat.stackexchange.com/…

Upgoat

@Quill halp, do you know how to create a property that isn't inherited?

Quill

You can pin repositories to the top of your GitHub profile now!

Upgoat

@Quill : |

@Quill brb pinning my cheese

Dennis

10:40 PM

@Upgoat I said rarely not never.

Bigtoes

@Upgoat chat.stackexchange.com/…

:P

Upgoat

May 13 at 19:03, by Geobits

I generally refuse any request that starts with "halp" either way, so even if I did want to...

Mar 5 at 7:06, by Egobits

halp i try drink for eight beer no drunk. how drunk beer?

@Quill my comma usage is great though

Bigtoes

Yep. It appears the only time I say 'halp' is when I'm mocking it. Go figure.

Quill

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ there's a few web methods that SE chat use to authenticate yourself, I basically just call those

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

o

@Upgoat 10/10 best name

jk "Set big O" is best

Quill

10:43 PM

they use a "fkey", which is a hidden input element on the page, and then you just post that fkey and the roomid to a method

Upgoat

@Quill seems very complicated. my goat brain cannot comprehend

Quill

@Upgoat what do you mean by property?

Upgoat

@Quill e.g. I have a class. I'll name it "A". I want a property on it, for example: A.foo. Now let's say I create another class, B, that extends A (class B extends A) I don't want B to inherit the foo prop

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@VTCAKAVSMoACE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ TIL what cats sound like

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

10:46 PM

that not me that durk vadeer

Upgoat

oh ok, TIL durk vadeer ees not cat

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

in Mos Eisley, 3 hours ago, by Himarm

that iz cat about durk vadeer

Bigtoes

@Geobits You're seriously very funny. — Mego 27 secs ago

:D

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

o_O somebody actually thinks that?

/s

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ;__; y u haet goat

Bigtoes

10:50 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ There are a few definitions of funny. Not all are nice ;)

Upgoat

> @Upgoat you are the best goat. — Geobits 32 secs ago

@Bigtoes you're so kind :P

Bigtoes

Ah, fake quotes. Haven't seen those in a while. Oh, right, there's a reason for that...

Quill

@Upgoat If you want to do it yourself, you can basically copy all the code from here, the relevant code is in core.js, the other two are for handling config settings and formatting the incoming events

@Upgoat delete B['foo']

Upgoat

._.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Upgoat that's is about durk vadeer naut gaot

@Upgoat i had to click that to see

10/10

Upgoat

10:57 PM

oh oaky :D i tot u haet gaot

Quill

@Bigtoes does it rhyme with chat fan

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Quill you look so weird with a diamond/blue name

good weird though

Feb 26 at 2:18, by RikerW

You would be a good mod.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

give me a number in [0, 65536]

Bigtoes

@Quill I think it rhymes more with mooring trap

Upgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 13462

Maltysen

10:59 PM

@Bigtoes i actually can't figure this one out ._.

Upgoat

@Quill wait wat :|

Maltysen

@Bigtoes oh nvm, i did it!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ e

Bigtoes

@Maltysen :D

Maltysen

@Bigtoes I was mentally pronouncing the "oo" as a long o

Upgoat

11:01 PM

\o/ \o/ \o/ casting in cheddar worked first try!

Quill

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ :)

Bigtoes

@Maltysen Yea, I couldn't think of a better word for that :/

I guess pouring would work.

Quill

@Upgoat that probably means it's doubly broken

Upgoat

@Quill no, it actually isn' \o/ \o/ \/o \/o \o/\ /o\ iu\o/gy brb releasing cheddar v0.1-alpha

Bigtoes

@Upgoat Is that anything like casting cement?

Upgoat

11:03 PM

@Bigtoes no

Bigtoes

So you're not taking something and shaping it into something else?

Or is it more like casting a fishing pole, or casting a spell?

Maybe casting for a role?

Quill

@Upgoat is a film director? TIL

Bigtoes

Yea but it's all weird goat stuff.

Maltysen

@Bigtoes ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Upgoat

yeah, me and my goat herd are making a movie about our journey from farms to making a civilation and manafacturing cheese with hooves

Bigtoes

11:07 PM

Cheese with hooves? Eww

Quill

> civilation

Maltysen

yeah, evidently they haven't really mastered typing yet

Upgoat

^

@Bigtoes ಠ_ಠ we wash our hooves what do you think, we're filthy creatures?

Jun 10 at 20:24, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

stop-discrimination-against-animals

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ this is me :P

Bigtoes

@Upgoat I just don't see why there should be any hooves in my cheese, clean or not. I'll take hoof-free cheese any day.

Upgoat

11:09 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 10/10

@Bigtoes no, it's how we don't have opposable thumbs, only hooves but we can still manafacture cheese. the hooves themsevles aren't in the cheese

pls dont sue us

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

get your mind out of the gutter

Maltysen

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ my algorithm idea was actually to randomly generate cracks and to draw them on an un-cracked piece of soil

Bigtoes

@Upgoat Too late. Lawyer said I have a very good case.

Upgoat

i promis we did not bribe cdc and fda that bad

pls no y u do dis ;_;

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Maltysen sorta my idea, except I'm having trouble with generating cracks. Maybe I should do some research

Bigtoes

11:11 PM

I know a guy that can make crack. I don't know about cracks though.

Maltysen

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ now, i'm thinking of just doing genetic

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Maltysen I don't know what that means in this context, so that says something :P

Quill

@Bigtoes You could say he makes cracks in peoples' sobriety

Maltysen

but idk how to get butteraugli to work in python :/ i guess i'lll just use subprocess.Popen?

quartata

Genetic algorithm

In the field of artificial intelligence, a genetic algorithm (GA) is a search heuristic that mimics the process of natural selection. This heuristic (also sometimes called a metaheuristic) is routinely used to generate useful solutions to optimization and search problems. Genetic algorithms belong to the larger class of evolutionary algorithms (EA), which generate solutions to optimization problems using techniques inspired by natural evolution, such as inheritance, mutation, selection and crossover. == Methodology == === Optimization problems === In a genetic algorithm, a population of candidate...

Maltysen

11:13 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ well that means that I generate a random image and then i keep on changing it based on its distance from the original

quartata

@Maltysen subprocess.check_output is great and does all sorts of things

Maltysen

@quartata i was hoping not to have to call an external program, but that at least seems better than Popen

its even worse cuz i'm passing images

Quill

@quartata hey I wrote one of those in JS

Upgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I see you've taken a crack at it

(did someone ninja me to the pun?)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

probably

Upgoat

11:15 PM

;_: y dey do dis

chat.stackexchange.com/…

mınxomaτ

About soil and cracks: shadertoy.com/view/4lSXR3 (need fairly good GPU)

Upgoat

@mınxomaτ is that being rendered in-browser? There's no way my shitty cpu can run that at 60fps

Quill

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Q: Genetic Drift simulator

Genetic drift — along with natural selection, mutation, and migration — is one of the basic mechanisms of evolution. In each generation, some individuals may, just by chance, leave behind a few more descendents (and genes, of course!) than other individuals. The genes of the next generati...

javascript simulation genetic-algorithm

quartata

@mınxomaτ My GPU is shit and it's not even breaking a sweat on this

mınxomaτ

@quartata Yeah, It's pretty Low-Fi

Upgoat

11:18 PM

> need fairly good GPU

mınxomaτ

I was referring to people with absolute crappy GPUs. Like APUs etc.

Also pretty neat: shadertoy.com/view/MdXGW2

dorukayhan

@mınxomaτ O.O

quartata

@mınxomaτ Intel Integrated Graphics here

Quill

Who else is doing all SVGs these days? Considering dropping our PNG fallbacks to cut bandwidth and complexity across the board.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on June 16, 2016 at 11:18 PM

quartata

@mınxomaτ holy smoookkkessss

That's really nice

mınxomaτ

11:23 PM

@quartata Check out the shadertoy frontpage. However, I really dislike shadertoy. It's impossible to browse. If one shader has an error, the whole tab crashes. I like glslsandbox.com better (from a technical view, they have less good examples).

Here's a nice one: glslsandbox.com/e#32172.0

Quill

swift for windows https://swiftforwindows.codeplex.com/

Tweeted by chrismckee on June 16, 2016 at 10:17 PM

Yay! Swift for Windows

Upgoat

I thoguht swift has been for wiendowd since ipsn osurcing

Bigtoes

...

Quill

that doesn't automagically make it platform compatible

Upgoat

yeah but it's written in c++

can't you just install C++ on winodws and compile

Quill

11:30 PM

29 secs ago, by Quill

that doesn't automagically make it platform compatible

Upgoat

or did they make it playform specific

@Quill well why not?

Quill

it's written in Obj-C as well, IIRC

Upgoat

wat really

wat why, who would write anything in that ~~shitty~~ esoteric language

Optimizer

at least its not written in JS

Upgoat

ಠ_ಠ

quartata

11:31 PM

@Quill Objective C is actually really cross platform (it just compiles to regular C, really)

Upgoat

JS lang is best lang

quartata

It's the standard library that isn't

There exist standard libraries (GNUStep, ObjFW, etc..) that can be used on all platforms though

feersum

Obj-C is the stupidest language though (after JS of course).

Upgoat

@feersum ಠ_ಠ JS is not stupid. It's smart enough to know howt o implicitly cast

quartata

@feersum Objective-C has a lot of things that no other language has that I really like

Apr 23 at 22:57, by quartata

@interface Interpreter:NSObject

@property NSMutableArray stack;

@end

@interface Interpreter (StackManipulationCommands)

-(id) pop;
-(void) push: (id) obj;
-(void) swap;
-(void) rotate;
-(void) duplicate;

@end

@interface Interpreter (MathCommands)

-(void) add: (double) x to: (double) y;
-(void) subtract: (double) x to: (double) y;
-(void) multiply: (double) x to: (double) y;
-(void) divide: (double) x to: (double) y;

@end

feersum

11:32 PM

It's all the verbosity and bloatage of Java with all the low-level unsafeness of C.

Upgoat

@quartata but it's bracket [ ... ] syntax is really confusing and dumb

quartata

^^^ categories, let you implement parts of a class separately and just in general organize them nicely

@Upgoat you don't have to use that although personally I like the bracket syntax

Upgoat

idk, ill just stick with using cheddar as my primary programming language

its very fast ignoring the slow JS engine

quartata

@feersum I agree on the first part but I haven't found Objective-C to be particularly unsafe

Quill

apparently it's not really Obj-C anyway

quartata

11:33 PM

@Upgoat hehe

@Quill Those 0.6% are actually probably header files. Github is very bad at identifying Objective C (understandably)

Upgoat

@Quill Swift was bootstrapped O_o

quartata

It thinks the Linux kernel has Objective C, lol

Quill

must be good to have a project on GitHub that is recognised as a language on GitHub

feersum

@quartata What do you mean?

quartata

@Upgoat That's the standard library

Maltysen

11:34 PM

@Quill python represent! \o/

Upgoat

> Objective-C++

k

@quartata oh, yeah, probably

quartata

@feersum The class Interpreter has two categories, StackManipulationCommands and MathCommands

Quill

@Maltysen I know, right? Python is just great

Upgoat

;-; y pyton but no javscript,

quartata

These each contain methods and are implemented in the @implementation section separately

feersum

11:35 PM

@quartata So it would be like Interpreter implements x, y in Java?

quartata

Not only does this allow you to organize certain methods better (imo) but it also lets you have "informal protocols"

where classes don't necessarily have to implement a category

Quill

On the subject of Obj-C: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/240?m=29720548#29720548

quartata

@feersum Implementation and declaration are separate in Objective-C. You can think of the @interface as being like a header file with the prototypes

The @implementation is the main part

Upgoat

@Quill O_o your first language was obj-c??

ouch

feersum

@quartata Does each class need its own implementaiton of the interface, or do you mean a feature where there is one implementation shared by all interface users?

Quill

11:37 PM

first lang was batch (even worse)

@Upgoat first textbook, not lang

Upgoat

oh ok

quartata

@feersum The @interface isn't a Java interface (those are called protocols in Objective C)

@interface and @implementation together form a non-abstract class

@interface is where the prototypes of each method and all that are (and usually goes in a header file)

@implementation is where the methods are implemented

feersum

OK, so it's just the equivalent of a C++ class declaration.

In C++ you can implement some methods inside the class declaration and some outside if you want

quartata

I know and it drives me nuts

I especially don't like that static fields have to be initialized outside the class declaration

Quill

Come to think of it, I haven't seen many Swift challenge answers around, maybe I'll change that ;-)

quartata

11:42 PM

I've seen a few. It's surprisingly verbose

Upgoat

@quartata though that's the properties not the language unlike Java

dorukayhan

"that's the properties not the language" --a wild public static void main(String[] args) appears--

Upgoat

I would like to see file systems be redesigned by the creators of Java. chmod file.txt group public me public else public

quartata

Actually I don't think that would be a bad thing

Judging by how many people just chmod 777 everything I think it's safe to say most people don't understand Unix permissions

Upgoat

it would be annoyingly verbose though

and wasteful of space

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