The Comms Room

Tom O'Connor

16:00

@Dan My saxo was wicked in the snow.

Tyres that are only 4" across

Dan

@TomO'Connor Yep, Fiesta was similar. BMWs are bad, too - nearly smashed mine up once :(

ewwhite

@tombull89 got those

I'm on my path to becoming a Windows Engineers!

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Except anything X with full-time 4wd

which aren't bad in the snow, actually.

TheCleaner

Tom O'Connor

the biggest problem with the x series is the ramp breakover angle, and the fording depth

Dan

16:02

@TomO'Connor I hate the X's, but yes, I hear they're good. If I was going the 4 x 4 route, I'd want a Defender

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Ohh. yeah. Defender or Range Rover Evoque.

Dan

@TheCleaner Fun, but meaningless in a UK context

Tom O'Connor

friend of mine has an Evoque, and it's wicked fun.

tombull89

@Dan My brother's first car was an automatic.

Dan

@TomO'Connor Tasty indeed - but I feel the Defender avoids the chelsea tractor look

Tom O'Connor

16:03

The interesting thing I've noticed? I have almost no knee pain now i drive DSG.

TheCleaner

@Dan True...I was trying to find another infographic I saw a few years back that said that 91% of US automobiles are automatics, compared to 80% manual in the rest of the world.

Tom O'Connor

Which probably means i'd buy another one.

Dan

@tombull89 But he learnt to drive in a manual at a guess?

Tom O'Connor

The thing that confuses me, is driving manual in somewhere like spain

WRONG HAND WRONG HAND!

ewwhite

@TheCleaner it's the truth

Because: Cadillac.

Dan

16:04

@TomO'Connor Hah, yes - that takes a while. Constantly trying to wind the window down?

cole

I learned how to drive in an automatic - my parents have only had automatics

tombull89

@Dan Yes, 'course.

Dan

@TomO'Connor I'd go DSG, normal Autos are just hateful

Tom O'Connor

@Dan nearly broke my hand reaching for the gear knob, and finding the door.

TheCleaner

@ewwhite i still want a cts-v

cole

16:05

mmm cts-v

do want.

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Anything with a liquid-filled torque convertor can bite my shiny metal ass.

@ewwhite SRX plz.

Chopper3

@TomO'Connor if I have to drive manual I'd sooner drive on the left hand myself

Dan

@cole Pretty standard over there, though? The only people who learn to drive auto over here are either doing it for medical reasons or they really couldn't hack ti on a manual. I'm sure there are SOME who just do, but they're few and far between

cole

@Dan yeah, we're lazy

Dan

Over here, if you pass your test in an auto, you can't drive a manual

cole

16:06

@Dan really?

I wish my Mazda3 was manual but alas, it is not.

Dan

Which could be a real pain - most company/pool cars will be manual, I don't think I've ever seen an automatic van. Hiring a car will be more challenging etc etc

cole

Been awhile since I've driven a manual car though

Tom O'Connor

@Dan I've seen a brand new VW Transporter with the 7 speed DSG

cole

Probably 5+ years

TheCleaner

@cole heh...that's what I drive. 2011 Mazda 3 with manual.

cole

16:06

@TheCleaner hatch or sedan?

Dan

@TomO'Connor Oh yeah, Ikeep forgetting about DSG - exclude that cos it's still a premium option ;)

cole

I have a 2012 Mazda3 i-Touring hatchback

tombull89

I think I'd cope driving in the US. It's just "can't pump your own fuel" in some states that gets me.

cole

@tombull89 sometimes it's random towns within a state.

TheCleaner

@cole sedan. We have matching ones...special lease program. $375/month for both. They are due back in June.

Dan

16:07

@tombull89 Driving in the US is easy. Avoiding the other drivers in the US, less so :D

Chopper3

@tombull89 oh I like that, I'd be up for that in the UK if they offered it

cole

Like the town I work in, ~8 miles from my house - you can't pump your own gas. But where I live, I can.

Dan

My first EVER foreign driving experience was Rome in the rush hour. DID NOT LIKE

cole

@TheCleaner I enjoy the car myself.

Tom O'Connor

@Dan You wouldnt' want a trad auto on a van

it'd be possible to get stuck, I suspect.

Dan

16:09

And much harder to rag the tits off

If you're not redlining every single gear of your hired/rented/company Transit then you are doing it all wrong

Mind you, I drove a Sprinter like that to London and back and, well, it used a lot more fuel than I expected

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Hired a SWB Transit to go down to wales in, when I was with my ex, so we could pick up his stuff. That was fun when empty.

Less fun when full.

cole

Sigh, still need to figure out an inventory system for our servers.

Tom O'Connor

@Dan what car did you have with dsg?

did/do

Dan

@TomO'Connor Just after college I had a job which involved jetwashing - I had a transit with an IBC in the back. One day we had to leave early and the other guy pursuaded me to leave the water in - I came off the motorway and had my foot on the brake from the top of the sliproad, all the way across the roundabout......

@TomO'Connor A3 S-Line 170 (Diesel)

TheCleaner

@cole Yeah, I like it. Only frustration for me was going from a WRX to it...so big drop in power. But the lease didn't offer a mazdaspeed 3. Still, 2 brand new cars for 0 down and $375/month isn't bad. Our first lease and we've been happy with them over the years.

Tom O'Connor

16:12

@Dan Yikes.

cole

@TheCleaner nice. I drive too much for a lease.

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Ah, shiny.

cole

My girlfriend doesn't have a car and lives over an hour away...so...

Dan

@TomO'Connor I'd only been driving a couple of months - it genuinely put me off driving anything bigger than a car for a while. They were LWB hightop transits and somewhat badly maintained - awful job

@TomO'Connor Blagged it as a company car - loved it to bits, but it wasn't as fiesty as my stock, base level 1 Series

TheCleaner

@cole We drive too little. The lease is 12k a year...I drive about 8k, my wife about 10k.

Tom O'Connor

16:14

The worst thing about the SWB we hired? We hired it in the summer, washed the windows, and nearly threw up as the smell of stagnant water wafted through the cab.

tombull89

And here's me with my 998CC 2001 Micra :P

cole

@TheCleaner wow

Tom O'Connor

@tombull89 D'aww.

Dan

@TomO'Connor Haha

@tombull89 Don't feel bad, my Mondeo cuts out if accelerate at any kind of pace. It's fucked.

Chris S

@TheCleaner Actually, I just cleaned up my comments in the DevOps proposal that got closed. I still think the idea has merit, not in the DevOps way we see on SF, but in the struggle for adequate communications and inter/intradepartmental processes (between Developers and Operations, but also other divisions).

Tom O'Connor

16:15

@Dan Pulled in at Lidl, bought 5l of water and a bottle of bleach

TheCleaner

@cole If there were bike trails/paths from my house to work I'd probably drive 5k a year.

@ChrisS there is a devops proposal on Area 51? lol...see I knew it!

Dan

@TomO'Connor Van driving is a rare pleasure, but it has its downsides!

Chris S

@TheCleaner It's been around for a long time... Closed now.

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DevOps

Proposed Q&A site for dedicated DevOps engineers looking to improve the interoperation between development and operations.

Closed before being launched.

cole

@TheCleaner you must live close to work

Tom O'Connor

@Dan Did you leave a folded Daily Star in the dashboard?

cole

16:16

I mean, I guess I live close to work too

ewwhite

@MDMarra ;)

Dan

@TomO'Connor Right next to the 10 year old A-Z

ewwhite

TheCleaner

@cole about 8 miles

cole

@TheCleaner I'm about the same as well ~8.5

tombull89

16:16

@TomO'Connor and dead happy meal packet

Tom O'Connor

I'm off home.

Chris S

Work-Home Commute: 6.4 miles, 11 minutes nominally

Tom O'Connor

Not getting anything done here.

cole

@TheCleaner when I first started here and was still with my ex, I drove very little. She lives a quarter of a mile from my apartment.

Tom O'Connor

Stupid firewall.

cole

16:17

So I didn't drive much

TheCleaner

@cole once both of our kids get old enough for sports we'll be driving a lot more...but for now the older one only has basketball practice and that's at her school (3 miles away from home)

Dan

@ChrisS 55mi each way for me. Averaging 30k a year all in all

TheCleaner

Subclavian - fun stuff

ewwhite

@ChrisS Is it worth revisiting?

Dan

@TomO'Connor That was basically mine, would you like to buy it for me?

This even: autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201312230674084/sort/default/…

ewwhite

16:20

here's a Dev-based question...

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Q: Red Hat Virtualization, slow DB writes or network from virtual machine

I am running JBoss on both a physical machine, and a VM that runs within that same physical machine. The JBoss instance on physical machine is operating fast, but the JBoss on VM is slow (several orders of magniture). It appears that the following operations on the VM are slow: SVN checkout, big ...

Dan

My Mondeo is broke and I really don't know what to do for the best :(

ewwhite

Did anyone see Peter Grace's post on Lopsa?

Chris S

@ewwhite If you can overcome the biggest problem, I think yes. The main issue remains though, "developers" who underestimate the knowledge and effort required to do Operators. It's a classic "you don't know what you don't know" issue, and they just want free Ops consulting.

ewwhite

@ChrisS but the market has made it easier for them to believe that... Cloud + Amazon + New Relic + automation and configuration management...

Nathan C

@ewwhite I still can't use vMotion because one of the hosts lacks the AES instruction set...could've sworn they're the same processors...

ewwhite

16:26

Nobody needs to know hardware, driver support, networking, or even optimization...

@NathanC What are the two hosts?

which CPUs?

Chris S

@ewwhite Yeah, yeah... And computers will make your job so easy that you'll only have to work 1-2 hours each day - so they thought when computers were first introduced.

Nathan C

@ewwhite One's a Dell T710 and the other's a R710...same box, just rackmount vs tower...i'd have to check exactly what processors are in them (they're both Xeon, though)

ewwhite

Intel 5500 is different than 5600, for instance.

Chris S

Every times some aspect of computer Operations gets automated, easier, etc.. the industry just expects more output, not less input.

ewwhite

You need to set a cluster EVC mode

Nathan C

16:28

@ewwhite One's a E5640 and the other's a E5540...

None of the cluster modes are selectable :/

ewwhite

58 secs ago, by ewwhite

Intel 5500 is different than 5600, for instance.

Nathan C

Yeah, I thought they were the same...I was mistaken apparently :P

ewwhite

You need to power off the VMs... or remove the hosts from the cluster.

You can do it with the VMs off.

Nathan C

Oh...hmm.

Tanner

200

Software Recommendations

Proposed Q&A site for people seeking advice and help finding software to get a particular task done. Desktop/mobile/web/libraries.

Currently in definition.

wat

Nathan C

16:30

Taking the host involved offline will disable vCenter >.<

Tanner

cc @TheCleaner

ewwhite

@NathanC This happens... Catch-22

TheCleaner

@Tanner ?

ewwhite

which host is the vCenter on? Which CPU?

Tanner

@TheCleaner I don't understand why your proposal got sandbagged but that one's alive and well?

Nathan C

16:32

@ewwhite The E5540...I can migrate it to the other host after I fix the network setup

ewwhite

@NathanC no

remove the other host, set EVC to Nehalem.

then re-add other host to cluster

Nathan C

This won't affect running VMs right? :P

ewwhite

no

yes

I don't know what you're doing :)

but no vmotion across dissimilar CPUs unless the hosts are in a cluster with the EVC feature enabled

TheCleaner

@Tanner because 89k

ewwhite

but the VMs that are already running are using the full CPU instruction sets...

TheCleaner

16:35

I just bought our "webinar" equipment...I'm going to be an a/v guy by the time this project is done.

Nathan C

@ewwhite I see...I'll figure it out. The only "critical" VM on the host that won't add is vCenter which makes it a problem heh

Tanner

@TheCleaner a/v is fun :)

TheCleaner

@Tanner yeah, I'm enjoying the project. Learning about the software out there, hardware, etc.

livestream's site has been a good source of info, as has vidblaster's.

ewwhite

@MDMarra Are you on?

TheCleaner

@Tanner - plus I get to say "go for camera 2", etc. even though I'm only talking out loud to myself. :)

Tanner

16:38

haha

Dan

@ChrisS I've given up worrying too much about the next big thing - it's essentially impossible to predict industry moves in the next 5 years, so I just run what I know and learn as I go

ewwhite

@MDMarra HELP!!!

Tanner

Hm, Verizon Galaxy S3s are updating to Jelly Bean. Jelly Bean breaks our version of Lotus Notes Traveler. Good times.

Chris S

> To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so. -- Robert Orben

cole

AH inventory - what a pain in the dick

I have a feeling this is not going to be easy :(

MikeyB

16:47

@ChrisS That's our version of the uncanny valley - when computers start blaming the humans for errors.

cole

Since servers and computers just get dumped in the Computers OU

ewwhite

Client:

I just found out that the power was shut off in the building over the weekend.  We had advanced notice, but nobody said anything.  It appears that’s what burnt the (Cisco) firewall, and the (Cisco) wireless AP is also done.  Where can we get a new AP?

cole

-_-

Tanner

@ewwhite At least they're asking you this time

ewwhite

@Tanner I have a language barrier when I talk to folks in that location... so it's extra-stressful

but my ASA firewall and 1242AP are fried

amazon.com/Getting-Yes-Negotiate-Agreement-Without/dp/…

Anyone read this?

MikeyB

17:04

So how do you determine if you're on Win2008?

The answer, apparently if you run this crappy software, is to test for the existence of C:\Users\Public.

Which then leaves a dead drop info file for *another* part of the install system to use to make decisions.

ewwhite

@MikeyB nice test

MikeyB

Pro. Too bad Windows doesn't provide any other versioning information

ewwhite

@MikeyB I think there's a "uname /a" in Powershell.

Mathias R. Jessen

Anyone wanna help me out with something easy?

ewwhite

Silence.

Mathias R. Jessen

17:14

:-(

I'm on a computer with a working Logitech keyboard and a new logitech mouse but only one unifying connecter ... Logitechs website is not very browsable using just a keyboard so I need someone to browse the site, find the unifying software download for windows 8/8.1 and paste me the direct download link

Michael Hampton

@Jacob My opinions on the subject are well known...

Nathan C

@MathiasR.Jessen logitech.com/pub/controldevices/unifying/unifying210.exe

Mathias R. Jessen

@NathanC You're a saint (in a non-catholic sense)

Nathan C

It was fun to grab the link Chrome spit out before it closed (javascript download button ftw)

Tanner

@ewwhite Ohh, yeah, that's rough. Spanish?

TheCleaner

17:31

@TomO'Connor or @MichaelHampton - can one of you reopen this question that Tom moved to NE? Apparently they didn't think an MPLS question was worthy of that site...

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Q: MPLS: choice of initial label for an incoming packet

At the entry of a MPLS tunnel, which packet fields are used to determine the label of an incoming packet? Here it says that there are other attributes that are taken into account besides the IP destination address, without specifying what else exactly: Ingress routers at the edge of the MPL...

ip router mpls

thank you

Iain

@TheCleaner We're not supposed to send stuff to site still in beta btw - not that that's why they will have sent it back and with only 4.1 questions/day I'd have thought they would welcome questions

Michael Hampton

They just deleted it outright.

Iain

@MichaelHampton isn't that what happens when they reject a migration ?

Michael Hampton

@Iain Yeah, but not instantly!

Iain

I though that for failed migrations it was fairly instant

Mathias R. Jessen

17:54

No matter what, it seems strange that NE should reject a question about MPLS

Wesley

Dennis Rodman seems like a really cool guy.

In other news... I'm sick. Coughs on @MathiasR.Jessen

Scott Pack

It doesn't surprise me that @Wesley is into Big Rod.

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Wesley

@ScottPack The Worm.

Mathias R. Jessen

@Wesley No worries, I'm already a sick motherfucker

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@ScottPack big rods?

Mathias R. Jessen

18:05

A little known fact; I'm the original Rob Ford

mossy

@Wesley wtf is wrong with him

what the hell am i watching

I'm not sure if that's english.

Scott Pack

@mossy Speaking of which. How's the job search going?

mossy

@ScottPack I didn't get fired. I work with a bunch of clowns that have nothing better to do than craft jokes like that.

Scott Pack

That's somewhat disappointing.

I was hoping for a really fantastic and amusing story.

Danila Ladner

18:21

Why is this answer upvoted?

Text files, Solaris. — ujjain 1 hour ago

cole

Because people are dumb.

Magellan

Heh. Answer question with a slightly-flippant answer. Get no upvotes. Get the Accept. Because I was right.

@cole That too.

Danila Ladner

adding user to secondary group with usermod never required one to logout for changes to get effect, wtf?

Magellan

@DanilaLadner He may be confused. Some services do require that. You have to log out of the older Gnome interface to pick up changes in group memberships.

freiheit

@DanilaLadner It requires a fresh login of that user to get any group changes.

Magellan

18:25

@mossy So how'd your little work adventure turn out?

Iain

@DanilaLadner does id show the running process info or what's in the files databases ?

cole

Looks like the syslog server blew up when I left - no one touched it

Iain

you could use newgrp though

Danila Ladner

@Iain I am quite sure about oracle that it needs to get restarted, but i disagree on that add the user to secondary group requires logoff.

Iain

@DanilaLadner I think the advice to logoff is generally given so that the current shell gets the correct groups

Danila Ladner

18:30

@freiheit that user doesn't have to log off, he has to reinitiate that process he is running to issue a new system call into kernel to get group change, but it will be there

@Iain That's true, but not the way he phrased that.

Magellan

@DanilaLadner Did Oracle ever fix that stupid shit where it got half its configs from environment variables instead of config files?

Danila Ladner

Nah, I do not think so.

I dealt with 10 though the last one

Magellan

@DanilaLadner Yeah, I gave that steaming pile up around Oracle 9, with a touch of 10.

Danila Ladner

Quite definite you need to restart oracle for any fucking change.

Magellan

@MDMarra Do you guys have Peri Peri sauce in Philly?

Iain

18:39

@DanilaLadner any runnning process will need to be restarted

Danila Ladner

@Iain Agreed, but "Unix-like operating systems assign users to groups at login time. You can see this using the id -a command which will show all group membership. Run id -a, then add yourself to additional groups and run id -a again. The new groups will NOT show up" this is wrong.

Magellan

@DanilaLadner Ok. I just ran that test. There was no change in secondary group memberships from id -a

Iain

@DanilaLadner you can just edit that to fix it though

and don't forget it's on Solaris which may be different

Danila Ladner

@Magellan what os?

Magellan

@DanilaLadner CentOS

MDMarra

18:44

@Magellan whats that

Danila Ladner

I've tried solaris 11 and rhel 6

that what i have available

Iain

I'm just going out otherwise I'd fire up an S10 system

Magellan

@MDMarra It's a hotter version of Tapatio sauce. it's my current addiction.

Danila Ladner

let me try debian

MDMarra

We might but I haven't seen it.

Magellan

18:45

@DanilaLadner CentOS is the community re-package of RHEL6.

freiheit

@DanilaLadner Are you running id -a as the already logged in user, or are you running id -a USERNAME?

Magellan

@freiheit exactly.

Danila Ladner

@freiheit as already logged in user

Magellan

@DanilaLadner specifying the username does a lookup. It doesn't reference the existing user's current memberships

Danila Ladner

@Magellan i did not specify a username though

thats what i did

freiheit

18:47

> Primary and supplementary groups for a process are normally inherited from its parent and are usually unchanged since login. This means that if you change the group database after logging in, 'id' will not reflect your changes within your existing login session. Running 'id' with a user argument causes the user and group database to be consulted afresh, and so will give a different result.

(that's from the id info page)

Danila Ladner

[vagrant@localhost ~]$ sudo usermod -a -G users vagrant
[vagrant@localhost ~]$ id -a vagrant
uid=500(vagrant) gid=500(vagrant) groups=500(vagrant),10(wheel),100(users)

Magellan

@DanilaLadner Then you specified the username

Danila Ladner

oh i did referenced username

you are right

let me try without it

yeah you guys are correct, my bad.

somehow was confused on this

Magellan

THis is why I love you guys. Most of my teammates look at me as if I'm flat-out fucking bonkers for even caring about such things.

Danila Ladner

hmm, so it does requires logging off for the shell to catch that group modification

Thanks, need to go appologiez now o that thread

MDMarra

18:51

@ewwhite sup?

ewwhite

@MDMarra I needed HELP!

MDMarra

with?

Are you heartbroken after the Loul Deng trade and wishing the Bulls had a prayer this season?

ewwhite

@MDMarra I need to determine how fucked a particular client is.

MDMarra

nice

go on

ewwhite

@MDMarra Oh, black people don't like basketball.

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MDMarra

18:53

That's basically the least true statement I think I've ever heard.

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TheCleaner

@Iain Yeah, I think Tom was simply doing me a favor since he didn't care either way and agreed it was a good fit for that site and the OP requested it. I didn't want the OP deleting the question and me having to copy/paste to a new one on NE. Regardless, I wonder what mod felt it wasn't applicable to NE?

ewwhite

@MDMarra You should probably log in and look... They have Windows 2003...

MDMarra

Background?

Danila Ladner

@ewwhite Thats like canadians don't really like hockey.

ewwhite

and I am adding Windows 2008 servers, VMware and such... I want to see if I should force them to replace their Windows 2003 domain controller (singular)

MDMarra

18:55

you should

with 2 2012 R2 servers

ewwhite

@MDMarra but I need to know what will be impacted... and have a sanity-check done..

MDMarra

Send me creds

ewwhite

I'm tired of this client's um... I don't know if it's laziness, ignorance, etc...

they have a full-time guy and a part-time consultant...

I built the Windows boxen and handed them over... saying, "use your Microsoft Volume License key"...

Client: "Oh, um, we don't have any...."

maybe that's normal

I don't know.

MDMarra

It's not

ewwhite

But the domain controller... you should see this.

oh and ugh... they had no reverse DNS zones defined.

MDMarra

18:58

Not terrible

I mean, not best practice, but not necessarily required for an internal DNS infra

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