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This is my certification path w/ Microsoft so far: MCITP: EA 2008 (which also awards MCSA 2008) > MCSE: Private Cloud > MCSA 2012 upgrade > MCS: Hyper-V + System Center > MCSE: SI (in progress)

@MathiasR.Jessen On 417? It's like three mini tests

70-417 isn't like the other exams. There are three sections which represent the three tests you'd have to take from the full MCSA 2012. You have to score a 700 on each section so there's less room for error

But, there weren't any case studies on mine so that was nice. I hate those

I got a 700 even on one section. So close to failing it.

Mathias R. Jessen

@MDMarra Nice to know

Naah, the case studies usually suck

Not really looking forward to 647, just wanting to get it out of the way

MDMarra

Yep. I hear that

I passed it first time, but I failed 247 (I think) a few times

I was glad to get it out of the way

Mathias R. Jessen

12:12 AM

Private Cloud?

MDMarra

Nah, that wasn't it

It one one of the 2008 EA exams

Mathias R. Jessen

isn't that 647 ? The Pro exam

MDMarra

I think it was 642

Network infrastructure configuration

Mathias R. Jessen

Oh, yeah I have 3 failed attempts on my transcript for that one :P

Failed it twice, third exam was broken by a nightly update from Prometric :S

MDMarra

prometric is so bad

cole

12:15 AM

sup BroOps

MDMarra

The test center closest to me was offline for 3 weeks

But they kept letting me reschedule the exam there

and every time I'd show up. and "oh, sorry. Prometric isn't up yet"

Mathias R. Jessen

@MDMarra That sounds like a perfect summary of my experiences with Prometric

customer meeting in T-07:43

MDMarra

Ok, dinner time

see ya later

Mathias R. Jessen

bed time

see ya tomorrow ;)

kce

Anyone done the MS 74-409 (Server Virtualization with Windows Server Hyper-V and System Center) yet?

ewwhite

12:37 AM

@MDMarra Because of the Philadelphia soft pretzel... LinkedIn put her all up in my face.

So I totally missed this?

cole

@ewwhite HAHA

Matt Bear

bacula... I hate you

cole

Doge looks at Porn Hub?:

I'm laughing so hard I'm almost in tears - this is so funny.

Joel E Salas

12:53 AM

@cole This is the best thing that's happened in days

tears of joy

cole

@JoelESalas fucking hysterical. I was in such a terrible mood - then this.

Joel E Salas

MDMarra

@kce ya

a few weeks ago

kce

I have some Hyper-V experience in an SMB environment - you think it'd be to hard for the little guys like me?

MDMarra

Nah, just bone up on System Center if you don't use it.

I didn't think it was super difficult, and I don't do much virtualization work now-a-days

cole

1:03 AM

kce

@MDMarra - Hmm. Well I was all excited with the coupon but it turns out there's no Prometric testing here. Anchorage is a long way to fly for the MS 74-409.

Michael Hampton

1:20 AM

@MDMarra HEY, that was a good answer!

Shane Madden

So, Red Hat ate CentOS huh?

Michael Hampton

@ShaneMadden It was bound to happen.

Shane Madden

@MichaelHampton I guess.

Joel E Salas

@ShaneMadden Scientific Linux?

Michael Hampton

It's going to be interesting to watch and see what becomes of CentOS.

ewwhite

1:31 AM

@MichaelHampton Should I be scared?

Shane Madden

@JoelESalas Meh. This doesn't seem to bode well for the whole EL ecosystem.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite If you get scared, you can always pay Red Hat to wrap you in a nice warm fuzzy blanket.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I'd rather pay for Windows!

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Nah... I don't see "core" CentOS changing. It's the "variants" you will have to watch out for.

The variants will be explicitly allowed to upgrade or replace system packages, potentially breaking compatibility.

ewwhite

back to SLES

Journeyman Geek

1:34 AM

lol

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Eww.

Journeyman Geek

shrug There's always debian ;p

Michael Hampton

Disgusting

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Nooooo

I'd sooner use Fedora

better openstack support.

Michael Hampton

I am using Fedora!

Anonymous

1:36 AM

@MichaelHampton wise choice

Journeyman Geek

I'm still mainly on ubuntu ;p. I'm not running anything critical, and I'm familiar with it

(though, I had to do an ugly ugly hack since one of their repos is broken for ipv6 users)

ewwhite

2:01 AM

@ShaneMadden On?

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Yup

MDMarra

@MichaelHampton where?

Michael Hampton

@MDMarra serverfault.com/a/565744/126632

MDMarra

Ah

but it didnt answer the question

Michael Hampton

"You're doing it wrong" can be an answer...

MDMarra

2:04 AM

I wrote it and then re-read the question, and then realized that he didn't have phpmyadmin even installed, it was just bots spamming the url

So there's nothing to uninstall :(

Michael Hampton

ORLY?

MDMarra

yuh

Michael Hampton

Ah, I see. In that case nevermind.

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden So I have a lot of small businesses who could benefit from virtualization... A few of them are interested in VMware, and I'm having a hard time reconciling what I should recommend versus what I could install.

MDMarra

I'll save it for the next phpmyadmin question

Shane Madden

2:06 AM

@ewwhite As far as license levels or?

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden Basically, small sites... need a few VMs... do I use a beefy single server with local disk? Do I use a couple of hosts and try to find shared storage? Should that shared storage be a low-end SAN (HP P2000 at $10k) or should it just be a server running NexentaStor or something similar?

Would be Essentials... maybe Essentials plus.

Everything I've done in the past basically works... but I'm starting to believe that entry-level shared storage is overrated.

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Sounds like a great use case for vSAN, if it turns out nicely. Otherwise... I'd avoid the single-host option and go with shared storage, all the eggs in one basket hurts when that one host crashes. As far as dedicated storage vs storage server.. I go back and forth. Leaning toward storage server these days since the MSAs have been annoying me lately.

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden Well, this is the issue. A vSAN would be GREAT... if it were here

but I use high-quality gear... so I'm not afraid of hosts crashing.

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Heh, yeah. When is that thing getting released anyway?

ewwhite

But I am afraid of using a low-end P2000 SAN and losing so much performance (iSCSI) and not having any nice features.

I could use the SAS-based P2000 unit, but it seems like few buy that.

@ShaneMadden What's the annoyance?

Shane Madden

2:17 AM

@ewwhite I think I've mentioned it to you before, the power supply failures

ewwhite

@ShaneMadden really? Often?

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Most of the ones I'm dealing with are SAS, they seem solid.

@ewwhite Yeah - at least, more often than a power supply should fail. I've got maybe a dozen in the field and a power supply drops every month or two

ewwhite

I just think it's sad that there isn't anything else in that price tier.

I can just get an HP server and use it as a storage unit as well... same price, better perf.

Shane Madden

@ewwhite Storage is so overpriced right now. Hopefully vSAN breaks the market.

ewwhite

I considered Nutanix... but that was disappointing, too

cost-wise.

vSAN seems complex... I wish I knew what the backend was

Mark Henderson

2:29 AM

Geeze it's been a while since I got stuck into answering questions on SF

I'm bathing in the dumb right now

Michael Hampton

If you think the questions are bad, you should see the answers!

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton sorrrry...

Anonymous

@MichaelHampton I cannot yet answer a question on SF

Anonymous

;_;

Anonymous

instead i've been working on the Aviation beta

Michael Hampton

2:33 AM

@ewwhite Fixed

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Haha well you and I can even see the baleeted answers. They're shocking.

Michael Hampton

I haven't downvoted this much in weeks!

Wesley

2:48 AM

I haven't downvoted this hard since the last time @ScottPack posted a selfie.

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Scott Pack

@Wesley So you're calling it "downvoting" now?

Anonymous

lol

Wesley

@ScottPack I'm trying to remain ladylike, dear.

voretaq7

3:16 AM

@Wesley Put on your stiletto heels honey.

Anonymous

CentOS Project joins forces with Red Hat

Anonymous

good news everybody

Mark Henderson

Questions for Linux people. I should probably ask on askubuntu.com, but I'm here now.

Joel E Salas

@MarkHenderson Yes

Mark Henderson

I have a deb package installed. It's a few versions behind the current, so I want to install from the sourc einstead

voretaq7

3:22 AM

NEWS Everyone!

Mark Henderson

Can I just install from the source, or do I need to remove the deb package first?

Specifically it's openipmi, which Ubuntu only maintans up to v2.0.18 and v2.0.19 fixes a fairly critical bug

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson Generally you should uninstall the package first because otherwise if the OS tries to update the package later it'll stomp all over your changes

alternatively, package your version & install it as an upgrade

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 Too complicated :p

I'll just apt-get remove and then ./configure;make;make install

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: don't forget to reinstall any deps

voretaq7

@JourneymanGeek that's the reason you may want to package actually /cc @MarkHenderson

Journeyman Geek

3:25 AM

and I'd suggest checkinstall over make install in case you need to update it again

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek ./configure should take care of that, shouldn't it?

Journeyman Geek

nope

jscott

@MarkHenderson hahaha

Journeyman Geek

./configure does sweet fuck all there

Mark Henderson

@jscott I thought part of its job was to check for dependancies?

Oh well... this could be a fun ride then

Journeyman Geek

3:27 AM

the lazyass way to do it is apt-get remove , apt-get install -s (to list program deps) , apt-get install those deps, then apt-get build-dep (to install build-deps), then ./configure, etc

it checks for build deps

jscott

@JourneymanGeek ^^ This

Mark Henderson

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Q: Replace packaged install with one from source

Ubuntu currently only has a package for OpenIPMI 2.0.18 - I need OpenIPMI 2.0.19 or later. How should I go about replacing the Ubuntu package with one from the OpenIPMI source itself? I am planning on: apt-get remove OpenIPMI and then for the latest OpenIPMI ./configure make make install ...

packages

Journeyman Geek

all those lib-crazyshit-dev

Michael Hampton

Open a bug on launchpad and make them do it?

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton I kind of want it done today; not in 3 years time

Journeyman Geek

3:32 AM

answered

there's probably an easier way, but this handles most of the things that would trip you up

also check for a PPA

Matt Bear

uggggh... im having chest pains

feels like heart burn

Mark Henderson

@MattBear Its your wife channeling her pregnancy pain onto you

Matt Bear

I think its an Esophageal Spasm

or a heart attack

Mark Henderson

3:49 AM

@MattBear Your wife isn't that lucky

Matt Bear

4:07 AM

wtf... now I have a rash like... all over

yeah, im heading to the ER, figure this shit out

Michael Hampton

Fuck, shell quoting kicks my ass again.

kce

@MattBear - Good luck dude.

Scott Pack

@JourneymanGeek If it's set up right it does.

Journeyman Geek

4:22 AM

@ScottPack: yeah, but its better to pull in most of those, rather than none of those, and keep running ./configure until it stops bitching ;p

Jacob

Michael Hampton

What in the holy FUCK is that?

Scott Pack

@JourneymanGeek Oh, I see. You assumed I was complaining because it asks for more. No, I was complaining for when it only detects some of the requirements.

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek - OpenIPMI succesfully installed; IPMI is working correctly again

Thanks

Jacob

4:53 AM

Dear US Federal Government, I really appreciate that it only took TWO FUCKING WEEKS for you to fix the IRS site so that I could give my tax info to the ed dept.

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: your welcome

Michael Hampton

Oh dear god. Read the comment...

Jacob

@MichaelHampton You know I can't tell if that's a joke or not

Journeyman Geek

I can actually believe people can be that stupid

Michael Hampton

5:09 AM

And yay, Diablo III is installing!

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton Did you decide on a distro to use instead of CentOS

Michael Hampton

@JoelESalas Um, CentOS?

@JoelESalas My big issue is I need current versions of various applications. For instance, a LAMP stack, or Asterisk, or whatever, where what's included is too old.

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton Ruby is the problem for me

Michael Hampton

ruby-2.0.0.353?

Joel E Salas

@MichaelHampton 197

Michael Hampton

5:21 AM

Gack.

As for ruby, the ruby community has their own solutions for that (rvm) which I generally prefer for non-system stuff.

And ruby is such a freaking fast moving target.

2.0.0 just came out not too long ago, and now rvm is telling me to upgrade to 2.1.0!