The Comms Room

Journeyman Geek

12:03 AM

@PatoSáinz We refer you to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek please describe

84104

@PatoSáinz en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkell_v._Pressdram#Litigation Paragraph 4.

Journeyman Geek

Thats about the most british thing ever

Mark Henderson

Why do I always get lumped with the shitty database jobs? Last year I raged against FireBird, this year it looks like it's going to be Progress OpenEdge

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Q: Restoring an OpenEdge v10 database into v11

I am brand new to the OpenEdge database platform and so far am really struggling. I have a client who has given me a backup of his database (a single .bak file) which was taken from OpenEdge v10. I only have a OpenEdge v11 database server. We do not own OpenEdge or anything, so as far as I am aw...

MDMarra

what the fuck is all that

why do people use weird ass shitty database engines?

Mark Henderson

12:10 AM

@MDMarra I don't fucking know

84104

@MDMarra Because fate wishes to ensure @MarkHenderson doesn't have a problem with low blood pressure.

Mark Henderson

I have successfully weeded all but one Pervasive (non-SQL) database out of our clients

84104

12:34 AM

So I hear the the UK is banning fun on the internet or something?

cole

Sup broskis

Bae caught me slippin'.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I won the latex fight

resume v1

Journeyman Geek

no one ever wins the latex fight. One hopes to survive it.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

true, true

cole

12:49 AM

@DennisKaarsemaker that's fucking beautiful

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I'm pretty pleased with it myself, for a v1

there's too much in there, but that's for the recruiters

cole

How the heck did you do that?

Are you looking for a new job?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

it's the power of latex :)

and no, not actively looking, but my CV was 7 years out of date

cole

Wtf is latex

Dennis Kaarsemaker

and a recruiter really wants to talk to me. So hey, free coffee :)

LaTeX is document programming

cole

12:53 AM

Also the icons for your contact info are incredible

Looks like I need to learn this LaTeX

Dennis Kaarsemaker

the basic style is created by someone else

I had to fix some things due to my ridiculously long name

with the help of tex.stackexchange.com

cole

I doubt knowing this in the future will be helpful for my career but I'm genuinely interested in creating pretty documents :)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

then you should learn tex

hmm, @voretaq7 is an actor now? #hashtag-maybe-NSFW

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cole

I would like a burrito now that I took a nap

@DennisKaarsemaker LaTeX looks fairly simple to use from the examples I'm looking at.

MDMarra

Word4Lyfe

loljk

Even I didn't make my resume in Word

cole

1:08 AM

What did you make it in?

MDMarra

Pages

cole

idk what that is either!

MDMarra

It's part of iWork for OS X

cole

Ah

What the shit! LET ME DOWNLOAD YOU

Joel E Salas

I did my resume in Google Docs, because it's fine

and because everyone wants a Word doc anyway.

MDMarra

1:15 AM

I PDF bro

They want Word? They don't want me!

cole

Do I want a burrito or tacos?

Joel E Salas

@cole one of each dude

MDMarra

tacos, soft shell, 7 of them

Joel E Salas

@MDMarra I barf'd

cole

@JoelESalas that's a good idea but I cannot eat that much

MDMarra

1:16 AM

@JoelESalas Dip em in ranch like a Mexican

Joel E Salas

@cole taco and half a burrito

cole

@JoelESalas me too, god damn. I can't eat a lot

MDMarra

I'm still very amused by the ranch dipping stereotype that you shared with me all that time ago

cole

Also I probably shouldn't gorge myself with food after finding out about my fatty liver today

Fuck it getting a burrito. #yolo #devops #bbw

Anonymous

@DennisKaarsemaker HN is down

Anonymous

1:23 AM

and has been down for one day

Ry Jones

@PatoSáinz two

MDMarra

@PatoSáinz going on the third day now, I believe

#uptime #downtime #hackernews #devops #lol #lisp

Ry Jones

at least it returns an error quickly

cole

#devoops

MDMarra

@RyJones Big improvement. It had to time out and then throw a cloudflare error yesterday

Jacob

1:35 AM

@HNStatus THIS ONE WEIRD TRICK can make your backups restore 32 times faster!!

Tweeted by samberan on January 6, 2014 at 7:38 PM in reply to HNStatus

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voretaq7

@DennisKaarsemaker I act like I'm not homicidal

Jacob

@voretaq7 as opposed to?

voretaq7

@Jacob restore tests are a weird trick?

@Jacob as opposed to stabbing people in the throat with old vampire taps

Jacob

@voretaq7 Jacob is providing that tweet solely for entertainment value, and he doesn't endorse or otherwise support the message.

MDMarra

@voretaq7 Have you not been paying attention to @HNStatus and everything else we've been joking about all day?

voretaq7

1:44 AM

@MDMarra HN being down affects me exactly this much: {EMPTY SET}

MDMarra

It's still hilarious

voretaq7

its fucking sad

MDMarra

Look at the tweet that @Jacob's post is in response to

voretaq7

how can people NOT have a DR/BC plan?

Jacob

Yep, still restoring from backup. May have found a way to make it 32 times faster. Investigating.

Tweeted by HNStatus on January 6, 2014 at 7:16 PM

MDMarra

1:46 AM

@voretaq7 Because YC doesn't make money from Hacker News. It was Paul Graham's attempt to show that you can do web programming in LISP

When he, apparently, didn't take into consideration is that it will make DevOps in general look hilariously bad, as HN is the hub of that crowd, if it goes down for an extended period of time.

voretaq7

@MDMarra well, clearly you can't. Because whatever else you can say for the programming clearly RESTORING FROM BACKUPS AFTER A DISASTER was not part of the design capabilities.

MikeyB

Sigh Overplay... $ host local. →local has address 68.168.142.20

MDMarra

:-|

voretaq7

and DevOps deserves to look like shit for not having a DR/BC plan.

seriously, that was like the third thing I did at $JOB (after fixing the two major problems that would have required invoking said nonexistent plan)

cole

2:06 AM

I really need to start doing something after work other than sitting on my couch on my laptop and either doing more work or dicking off on Reddit

Mark Henderson

@cole Come fix my IPSec tunnel

I managed to fuck up one of the tunnels somehow so a single subnet is not working

cole

@MarkHenderson you could at least take me out to dinner first!

wtf chipotle - there's like a gallon of sour cream in this taco

Mark Henderson

Fuck never mind; I was tracking the wrong IP address

Easy fixed

wri mem annnnd done

MikeyB

2:20 AM

@FalconMomot Gah, certainly not what we set up.

This needs MOAR UPVOTES: stackoverflow.com/a/20686101/93180

Michael Hampton

Ooo. Does that mean we should be kicking Docker questions back to SO?

jscott

Vying for +2

MikeyB

@voretaq7 Ah, you've never had a client buy a shiny new megabucks tape library to shorten their 4 week RTO after a disaster?

Anonymous

@MichaelHampton i agree

voretaq7

@MikeyB Yes I have. But the client was also informed, numerous times, during restore tests, of exactly how long the MTTR was with the equipment they had.

Somehow I don't think HN ever tested their recovery

MDMarra

2:30 AM

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Q: VMWare Workstation working in AWS EC2 Instance of Server 2003 but not server 2008

I am trying to use VMWare workstation (10) on an EC2 instance of server 2008. It installs & runs images without issue (though in binary translation mode) on an EC2 instance of server 2003, but when I even attempt to install on 2008 I receive an error: Error: This product may not be installed on ...

windows-server-2008 amazon-ec2 amazon-web-services vmware-workstation

...

Journeyman Geek

Testing backups? not devops enough

voretaq7

@JourneymanGeek s/backups//

Journeyman Geek

@voretaq7: testing is what your users do for you.

(on the other hand, untested backups are one of those things that would keep me awake at night)

voretaq7

@JourneymanGeek "Users only exist to provide a test load for our systems. Once we've proven the systems functional we should eliminate the users.

@JourneymanGeek Not knowing the MTTR for a system would just not work for me...

Journeyman Geek

@voretaq7: the skynet user manual?

@voretaq7: precisely

and if you tested it, you probably know where shit can go wrong

voretaq7

2:33 AM

yup.

Mark Henderson

If only all research papers read like this

"THIS DOES NOT LEAD TO RISING PROPERTY VALUES IN TOKYO." << I fucking love this guy. https://research.microsoft.com/en-us/people/mickens/theslowwinter.pdf

Tweeted by da_667 on January 6, 2014 at 11:59 PM

MDMarra

He's been getting a lot of hype lately

All of his papers are like that

cole

3:01 AM

its gonna be black ice city tomorrow

Jacob

@cole I bet it'll be colder here

cole

Going to be 16F or so tomorrow

Jacob

@cole It'll be 16 if we're lucky; the jet stream is right over us.

cole

I'm over this cold.

Mark Henderson

@cole I know, right. It was like 20C today. Fuck that shit.

I don't get out of bed unless it's at least 25

Jacob

3:11 AM

@MarkHenderson fuck you.

cole

@MarkHenderson eat it

Jacob

I have to be outside tomorrow the wind chill will be -23C

Mark Henderson

Well we may have shitty internet but at least our weather is better than yours

Jacob

@MarkHenderson It's rare for Virginia, the jet stream happened to move south

cole

This is typical for us though lol

@MarkHenderson hey, I only have shitty weather for a few months - you have shitty internet year round.

Jacob

3:15 AM

@MarkHenderson Speaking of internet I really like my 500mbps/150mbps service.

Falcon Momot

@Jacob I bet you do. school?

cole

hey @FalconMomot - do you not wake up till later in the day? Never see you on during the day time :P

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Yeah and how much of that is throttled to each port?

Falcon Momot

@cole usually around 1100 or 1300

Mark Henderson

150kbps?

cole

3:20 AM

@FalconMomot what are you hours for work..?

Mark Henderson

This reminds me of what the Comms Room share-house would be like

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Falcon Momot

@cole whenever.

cole

jealous

Ry Jones

@cole the downside is you never leave

cole

Hotel California of IT?

Ry Jones

3:29 AM

@cole well, work, but sure, IT

whatever

I totally leave.

well, hn is up

@RyJones Not here.

@jscott I'm on it and I'm seeing posts that are 20 minutes old at the oldest

the front page is currently flooded with stupid posts about "what did you do when the site was down" and similar

jscott

@RyJones Hmmm, brb, killing chrome, forcefully.

Ry Jones

3:40 AM

nbviewer.ipython.org/url/norvig.com/ipython/xkcd1313.ipynb is the current non-BS top story

jscott

Well, we've fixed it, thanks @RyJones.

Ry Jones

sure thing

theverge.com/2014/1/6/5282472/… looks cool

jscott

@RyJones Wait... my computer has an SD slot for my next computer?

Ry Jones

@jscott indeed it does, sir

jscott

Seems legit: LENIX INSTALL, heck, it's only 50$.

Not sure how they found their way to the "jobs" section though.

Mark Henderson

3:51 AM

Meh, SD cards already have microprocessors in them

Ry Jones

yes, this one has a bigger one. it's like an eye-fi without the goofy interface

Mark Henderson

@RyJones I predict it will be a spectacular failure unless someone figures out how to use it help get themselves off

ewwhite

4:10 AM

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Q: IO performance with a FUSE mount

Is there any way to measure performance on a FUSE-based mount that is mounted via long-running executable (no device is used, nor /etc/fstab entry added)? It's a SpaceMonkey device (just to start dropping the name into forums).

ubuntu fuse

MikeyB

4:24 AM

@ewwhite ick... going to handle that question like a used sock

ewwhite

@MikeyB nasty

MikeyB

-41℃ windchill tomorrow, fun.

Mark Henderson

@MikeyB Thats pretty fucking cold; I'll be thinking of you while I turn on the AC and drink a beer on the back porch watching my grass grow untended

voretaq7

4:45 AM

@MikeyB Fuck Wind Chill

Jacob

@MarkHenderson That's at home :P So no throttling!

@FalconMomot FTTH

MikeyB

-19℃ now with winds averaging 40kph. blah.

Jacob

@MikeyB I feel your pain

ewwhite

5:10 AM

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Q: Installing Debian on a Cisco UCS M3 server

What is the best way to install a Debian based OS on a Cisco UCS M3 server?

debian cisco cisco-ucs

voretaq7

@ewwhite "With the fucking install media?"

Jacob

@voretaq7 EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT!

voretaq7

I'll just polite that up a bit in my comment while I shoot that question in the head. With the 16-inch guns of the USS Iowa.

Jacob

@voretaq7 Or the USS Wisconsin which is docked a few miles from my house

voretaq7

@Jacob Is the Wisconsin technically still in the reserve fleet

I know Iowa is, and I thought the other was the New Jersey?

Jacob

5:20 AM

@voretaq7 Yep it is

@voretaq7 The USS New Jersey

voretaq7

@Jacob It looks like Wisconsin is still subject to the ready-maintenance provisions though

so even if she's technically been stricken from the mothball fleet she could theoretically be reactivated, rearmed, and put to sea

Jacob

@voretaq7 You want to know what really confuses me? The lead of the Virginia class submarines USS Virginia is docked in NH.

@voretaq7 that's quite a rearm.

voretaq7

@Jacob ...would you rather we move it to Groton?

Jacob

@voretaq7 How about to the state that it's named after

Norfolk

voretaq7

@Jacob Locating 16" shells and powder bags would likely be a challenge :)

@Jacob ...are you implying we should kick the New Hampshire out of Connecticut?

Jacob

5:26 AM

@voretaq7 It a museum; somehow I doubt a rearm is likely. Though USS Constitution is still active duty.

voretaq7

@Jacob Part of the conditions for turning the Iowa class into museums is that they couldn't be altered in any way that would impair their military function

(I suppose that excludes the blown-up turret on the Iowa herself, which is probably damaged beyond all hope of repair)

Jacob

@voretaq7 That's ok, driving across the HRBT looking at aircraft carrier row is pretty neat.

voretaq7

Our aircraft carrier has a space shuttle on it.

You know, the shuttle they smashed into a fucking bridge when they were moving it

(idiots)

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Do I want a colo'd server?

ewwhite

@joel for what?

Joel E Salas

5:40 AM

@ewwhite Running personal stuff

ewwhite

I colo a lot of things. But the industry I came from installed that in me.

Instilled

Joel E Salas

I just want lots of RAM, and accessible from the Internet

not sure how to get the best bang/buck ratio there

ewwhite

Depends. I'll colo you ;)

How much ram?

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Not much, like 32GB

ewwhite

That's not a lot of ram.

So get a server. Send it to me, I collocate it.

Joel E Salas

5:43 AM

@ewwhite Have you tried any HP AMD boxes before?

ewwhite

Yep

I'm not a fan of amd in general, but they serve a purpose.

Joel E Salas

how'd it go? Any appreciable value?

ewwhite

They are fine

But and isn't the best choice these days. Depends on what you wanna do.

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Acceptable for complete cheapskates? It more or less just has to have a pulse

ewwhite

Talk to me offline and give an idea of what you need to do.

I'd suggest colo here. But in la, calpop is cheap.

I can get you a server cheap.

Joel E Salas

5:47 AM

@ewwhite Let me decide what I want and I'll get back to you, I'm thinking late christmas present to myself

ewwhite

Colo rates vary.

There's a nice cheap place here.

Quarter rack or single server colo.

Joel E Salas

www8.hp.com/us/en/products/proliant-servers/… this looks good

ewwhite

Meh. Stupid platform.

MikeyB

@JoelESalas We have gobs of servers sitting around… could probably get you a blade (E5540 or X5650) cheap and colo it.

For doing VM stuff?

Jacob

@MikeyB define cheap

ewwhite

5:50 AM

I'm on my bike. Leave me alone people.

@joel talk later

Joel E Salas

@ewwhite Thank you!

MikeyB

probably $500-$1000… hard to say.

Today I was like "Oh, this nice server with 256GB of RAM and two E7 procs with SSDs… we should do something with it instead of leaving it on the shelf."

Jacob

@MikeyB I want one!

voretaq7

@MikeyB I can give it a good home

MikeyB

@Jacob HS22? (the HS21s would probably go DIRT cheap).

Jacob

5:54 AM

@MikeyB Sure I like cheap

MikeyB

@Jacob well buzz me at work, I'll ask the guys to do up an inventory and see what we want to sell.

Jacob