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4:00 PM
@Dan My saxo was wicked in the snow.
Tyres that are only 4" across
 
Dan
@TomO'Connor Yep, Fiesta was similar. BMWs are bad, too - nearly smashed mine up once :(
 
@tombull89 got those
I'm on my path to becoming a Windows Engineers!
 
@Dan Except anything X with full-time 4wd
which aren't bad in the snow, actually.
 
the biggest problem with the x series is the ramp breakover angle, and the fording depth
 
Dan
4:02 PM
@TomO'Connor I hate the X's, but yes, I hear they're good. If I was going the 4 x 4 route, I'd want a Defender
 
@Dan Ohh. yeah. Defender or Range Rover Evoque.
 
Dan
@TheCleaner Fun, but meaningless in a UK context
 
friend of mine has an Evoque, and it's wicked fun.
 
@Dan My brother's first car was an automatic.
 
Dan
@TomO'Connor Tasty indeed - but I feel the Defender avoids the chelsea tractor look
 
4:03 PM
The interesting thing I've noticed? I have almost no knee pain now i drive DSG.
 
@Dan True...I was trying to find another infographic I saw a few years back that said that 91% of US automobiles are automatics, compared to 80% manual in the rest of the world.
 
Which probably means i'd buy another one.
 
Dan
@tombull89 But he learnt to drive in a manual at a guess?
 
The thing that confuses me, is driving manual in somewhere like spain
WRONG HAND WRONG HAND!
 
@TheCleaner it's the truth
Because: Cadillac.
 
Dan
4:04 PM
@TomO'Connor Hah, yes - that takes a while. Constantly trying to wind the window down?
 
I learned how to drive in an automatic - my parents have only had automatics
 
@Dan Yes, 'course.
 
Dan
@TomO'Connor I'd go DSG, normal Autos are just hateful
 
@Dan nearly broke my hand reaching for the gear knob, and finding the door.
 
@ewwhite i still want a cts-v
 
4:05 PM
mmm cts-v
do want.
 
@Dan Anything with a liquid-filled torque convertor can bite my shiny metal ass.
@ewwhite SRX plz.
 
@TomO'Connor if I have to drive manual I'd sooner drive on the left hand myself
 
Dan
@cole Pretty standard over there, though? The only people who learn to drive auto over here are either doing it for medical reasons or they really couldn't hack ti on a manual. I'm sure there are SOME who just do, but they're few and far between
 
@Dan yeah, we're lazy
 
Dan
Over here, if you pass your test in an auto, you can't drive a manual
 
4:06 PM
@Dan really?
I wish my Mazda3 was manual but alas, it is not.
 
Dan
Which could be a real pain - most company/pool cars will be manual, I don't think I've ever seen an automatic van. Hiring a car will be more challenging etc etc
 
Been awhile since I've driven a manual car though
 
@Dan I've seen a brand new VW Transporter with the 7 speed DSG
 
Probably 5+ years
 
@cole heh...that's what I drive. 2011 Mazda 3 with manual.
 
4:06 PM
@TheCleaner hatch or sedan?
 
Dan
@TomO'Connor Oh yeah, Ikeep forgetting about DSG - exclude that cos it's still a premium option ;)
 
I have a 2012 Mazda3 i-Touring hatchback
 
I think I'd cope driving in the US. It's just "can't pump your own fuel" in some states that gets me.
 
@tombull89 sometimes it's random towns within a state.
 
@cole sedan. We have matching ones...special lease program. $375/month for both. They are due back in June.
 
Dan
4:07 PM
@tombull89 Driving in the US is easy. Avoiding the other drivers in the US, less so :D
 
@tombull89 oh I like that, I'd be up for that in the UK if they offered it
 
Like the town I work in, ~8 miles from my house - you can't pump your own gas. But where I live, I can.
 
Dan
My first EVER foreign driving experience was Rome in the rush hour. DID NOT LIKE
 
@TheCleaner I enjoy the car myself.
 
@Dan You wouldnt' want a trad auto on a van
it'd be possible to get stuck, I suspect.
 
Dan
4:09 PM
And much harder to rag the tits off
If you're not redlining every single gear of your hired/rented/company Transit then you are doing it all wrong
Mind you, I drove a Sprinter like that to London and back and, well, it used a lot more fuel than I expected
 
@Dan Hired a SWB Transit to go down to wales in, when I was with my ex, so we could pick up his stuff. That was fun when empty.
Less fun when full.
 
Sigh, still need to figure out an inventory system for our servers.
 
@Dan what car did you have with dsg?
did/do
 
Dan
@TomO'Connor Just after college I had a job which involved jetwashing - I had a transit with an IBC in the back. One day we had to leave early and the other guy pursuaded me to leave the water in - I came off the motorway and had my foot on the brake from the top of the sliproad, all the way across the roundabout......
@TomO'Connor A3 S-Line 170 (Diesel)
 
@cole Yeah, I like it. Only frustration for me was going from a WRX to it...so big drop in power. But the lease didn't offer a mazdaspeed 3. Still, 2 brand new cars for 0 down and $375/month isn't bad. Our first lease and we've been happy with them over the years.
 
4:12 PM
@Dan Yikes.
 
@TheCleaner nice. I drive too much for a lease.
 
@Dan Ah, shiny.
 
My girlfriend doesn't have a car and lives over an hour away...so...
 
Dan
@TomO'Connor I'd only been driving a couple of months - it genuinely put me off driving anything bigger than a car for a while. They were LWB hightop transits and somewhat badly maintained - awful job
@TomO'Connor Blagged it as a company car - loved it to bits, but it wasn't as fiesty as my stock, base level 1 Series
 
@cole We drive too little. The lease is 12k a year...I drive about 8k, my wife about 10k.
 
4:14 PM
The worst thing about the SWB we hired? We hired it in the summer, washed the windows, and nearly threw up as the smell of stagnant water wafted through the cab.
 
And here's me with my 998CC 2001 Micra :P
 
@TheCleaner wow
 
@tombull89 D'aww.
 
Dan
@TomO'Connor Haha
@tombull89 Don't feel bad, my Mondeo cuts out if accelerate at any kind of pace. It's fucked.
 
@TheCleaner Actually, I just cleaned up my comments in the DevOps proposal that got closed. I still think the idea has merit, not in the DevOps way we see on SF, but in the struggle for adequate communications and inter/intradepartmental processes (between Developers and Operations, but also other divisions).
 
4:15 PM
@Dan Pulled in at Lidl, bought 5l of water and a bottle of bleach
 
@cole If there were bike trails/paths from my house to work I'd probably drive 5k a year.
@ChrisS there is a devops proposal on Area 51? lol...see I knew it!
 
Dan
@TomO'Connor Van driving is a rare pleasure, but it has its downsides!
 
@TheCleaner It's been around for a long time... Closed now.
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DevOps

Proposed Q&A site for dedicated DevOps engineers looking to improve the interoperation between development and operations.

Closed before being launched.

 
@TheCleaner you must live close to work
 
@Dan Did you leave a folded Daily Star in the dashboard?
 
4:16 PM
I mean, I guess I live close to work too
 
@MDMarra ;)
 
Dan
@TomO'Connor Right next to the 10 year old A-Z
 
@cole about 8 miles
 
@TheCleaner I'm about the same as well ~8.5
 
4:16 PM
@TomO'Connor and dead happy meal packet
 
I'm off home.
 
Work-Home Commute: 6.4 miles, 11 minutes nominally
 
Not getting anything done here.
 
@TheCleaner when I first started here and was still with my ex, I drove very little. She lives a quarter of a mile from my apartment.
 
Stupid firewall.
 
4:17 PM
So I didn't drive much
 
@cole once both of our kids get old enough for sports we'll be driving a lot more...but for now the older one only has basketball practice and that's at her school (3 miles away from home)
 
Dan
@ChrisS 55mi each way for me. Averaging 30k a year all in all
 
Subclavian - fun stuff
 
@ChrisS Is it worth revisiting?
 
Dan
@TomO'Connor That was basically mine, would you like to buy it for me?
 
4:20 PM
here's a Dev-based question...
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Q: Red Hat Virtualization, slow DB writes or network from virtual machine

user1340582I am running JBoss on both a physical machine, and a VM that runs within that same physical machine. The JBoss instance on physical machine is operating fast, but the JBoss on VM is slow (several orders of magniture). It appears that the following operations on the VM are slow: SVN checkout, big ...

 
Dan
My Mondeo is broke and I really don't know what to do for the best :(
 
Did anyone see Peter Grace's post on Lopsa?
 
@ewwhite If you can overcome the biggest problem, I think yes. The main issue remains though, "developers" who underestimate the knowledge and effort required to do Operators. It's a classic "you don't know what you don't know" issue, and they just want free Ops consulting.
 
@ChrisS but the market has made it easier for them to believe that... Cloud + Amazon + New Relic + automation and configuration management...
 
@ewwhite I still can't use vMotion because one of the hosts lacks the AES instruction set...could've sworn they're the same processors...
 
4:26 PM
Nobody needs to know hardware, driver support, networking, or even optimization...
@NathanC What are the two hosts?
which CPUs?
 
@ewwhite Yeah, yeah... And computers will make your job so easy that you'll only have to work 1-2 hours each day - so they thought when computers were first introduced.
 
@ewwhite One's a Dell T710 and the other's a R710...same box, just rackmount vs tower...i'd have to check exactly what processors are in them (they're both Xeon, though)
 
Intel 5500 is different than 5600, for instance.
 
Every times some aspect of computer Operations gets automated, easier, etc.. the industry just expects more output, not less input.
 
You need to set a cluster EVC mode
 
4:28 PM
@ewwhite One's a E5640 and the other's a E5540...
None of the cluster modes are selectable :/
 
58 secs ago, by ewwhite
Intel 5500 is different than 5600, for instance.
 
Yeah, I thought they were the same...I was mistaken apparently :P
 
You need to power off the VMs... or remove the hosts from the cluster.
You can do it with the VMs off.
 
Oh...hmm.
 
200
Software Recommendations

Proposed Q&A site for people seeking advice and help finding software to get a particular task done. Desktop/mobile/web/libraries.

Currently in definition.

wat
 
4:30 PM
Taking the host involved offline will disable vCenter >.<
 
cc @TheCleaner
 
@NathanC This happens... Catch-22
 
@Tanner ?
 
which host is the vCenter on? Which CPU?
 
@TheCleaner I don't understand why your proposal got sandbagged but that one's alive and well?
 
4:32 PM
@ewwhite The E5540...I can migrate it to the other host after I fix the network setup
 
@NathanC no
remove the other host, set EVC to Nehalem.
then re-add other host to cluster
 
This won't affect running VMs right? :P
 
no
yes
I don't know what you're doing :)
but no vmotion across dissimilar CPUs unless the hosts are in a cluster with the EVC feature enabled
 
@Tanner because 89k
 
but the VMs that are already running are using the full CPU instruction sets...
 
4:35 PM
I just bought our "webinar" equipment...I'm going to be an a/v guy by the time this project is done.
 
@ewwhite I see...I'll figure it out. The only "critical" VM on the host that won't add is vCenter which makes it a problem heh
 
@TheCleaner a/v is fun :)
 
@Tanner yeah, I'm enjoying the project. Learning about the software out there, hardware, etc.
livestream's site has been a good source of info, as has vidblaster's.
 
@MDMarra Are you on?
 
@Tanner - plus I get to say "go for camera 2", etc. even though I'm only talking out loud to myself. :)
 
4:38 PM
haha
 
Dan
@ChrisS I've given up worrying too much about the next big thing - it's essentially impossible to predict industry moves in the next 5 years, so I just run what I know and learn as I go
 
@MDMarra HELP!!!
 
Hm, Verizon Galaxy S3s are updating to Jelly Bean. Jelly Bean breaks our version of Lotus Notes Traveler. Good times.
 
> To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so. -- Robert Orben
 
AH inventory - what a pain in the dick
I have a feeling this is not going to be easy :(
 
4:47 PM
@ChrisS That's our version of the uncanny valley - when computers start blaming the humans for errors.
 
Since servers and computers just get dumped in the Computers OU
 
Client: I just found out that the power was shut off in the building over the weekend. We had advanced notice, but nobody said anything. It appears that’s what burnt the (Cisco) firewall, and the (Cisco) wireless AP is also done. Where can we get a new AP?
 
-_-
 
@ewwhite At least they're asking you this time
 
@Tanner I have a language barrier when I talk to folks in that location... so it's extra-stressful
but my ASA firewall and 1242AP are fried
Anyone read this?
 
5:04 PM
So how do you determine if you're on Win2008?

The answer, apparently if you run this crappy software, is to test for the existence of C:\Users\Public.

Which then leaves a dead drop info file for *another* part of the install system to use to make decisions.
 
@MikeyB nice test
 
Pro. Too bad Windows doesn't provide any other versioning information
 
@MikeyB I think there's a "uname /a" in Powershell.
 
Anyone wanna help me out with something easy?
 
Silence.
 
5:14 PM
:-(
I'm on a computer with a working Logitech keyboard and a new logitech mouse but only one unifying connecter ... Logitechs website is not very browsable using just a keyboard so I need someone to browse the site, find the unifying software download for windows 8/8.1 and paste me the direct download link
 
@Jacob My opinions on the subject are well known...
 
@NathanC You're a saint (in a non-catholic sense)
 
It was fun to grab the link Chrome spit out before it closed (javascript download button ftw)
 
@ewwhite Ohh, yeah, that's rough. Spanish?
 
5:31 PM
@TomO'Connor or @MichaelHampton - can one of you reopen this question that Tom moved to NE? Apparently they didn't think an MPLS question was worthy of that site...
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Q: MPLS: choice of initial label for an incoming packet

Ricky RobinsonAt the entry of a MPLS tunnel, which packet fields are used to determine the label of an incoming packet? Here it says that there are other attributes that are taken into account besides the IP destination address, without specifying what else exactly: Ingress routers at the edge of the MPL...

thank you
 
@TheCleaner We're not supposed to send stuff to site still in beta btw - not that that's why they will have sent it back and with only 4.1 questions/day I'd have thought they would welcome questions
 
They just deleted it outright.
 
@MichaelHampton isn't that what happens when they reject a migration ?
 
@Iain Yeah, but not instantly!
 
I though that for failed migrations it was fairly instant
 
5:54 PM
No matter what, it seems strange that NE should reject a question about MPLS
 
In other news... I'm sick. Coughs on @MathiasR.Jessen
 
It doesn't surprise me that @Wesley is into Big Rod.
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@ScottPack The Worm.
 
@Wesley No worries, I'm already a sick motherfucker
 
@ScottPack big rods?
 
6:05 PM
A little known fact; I'm the original Rob Ford
 
@Wesley wtf is wrong with him
what the hell am i watching
I'm not sure if that's english.
 
@mossy Speaking of which. How's the job search going?
 
@ScottPack I didn't get fired. I work with a bunch of clowns that have nothing better to do than craft jokes like that.
 
That's somewhat disappointing.
I was hoping for a really fantastic and amusing story.
 
6:21 PM
Why is this answer upvoted?
Text files, Solaris. — ujjain 1 hour ago
 
Because people are dumb.
 
Heh. Answer question with a slightly-flippant answer. Get no upvotes. Get the Accept. Because I was right.
@cole That too.
 
adding user to secondary group with usermod never required one to logout for changes to get effect, wtf?
 
@DanilaLadner He may be confused. Some services do require that. You have to log out of the older Gnome interface to pick up changes in group memberships.
 
@DanilaLadner It requires a fresh login of that user to get any group changes.
 
6:25 PM
@mossy So how'd your little work adventure turn out?
 
@DanilaLadner does id show the running process info or what's in the files databases ?
 
Looks like the syslog server blew up when I left - no one touched it
 
you could use newgrp though
 
@Iain I am quite sure about oracle that it needs to get restarted, but i disagree on that add the user to secondary group requires logoff.
 
@DanilaLadner I think the advice to logoff is generally given so that the current shell gets the correct groups
 
6:30 PM
@freiheit that user doesn't have to log off, he has to reinitiate that process he is running to issue a new system call into kernel to get group change, but it will be there
@Iain That's true, but not the way he phrased that.
 
@DanilaLadner Did Oracle ever fix that stupid shit where it got half its configs from environment variables instead of config files?
 
Nah, I do not think so.
I dealt with 10 though the last one
 
@DanilaLadner Yeah, I gave that steaming pile up around Oracle 9, with a touch of 10.
 
Quite definite you need to restart oracle for any fucking change.
 
@MDMarra Do you guys have Peri Peri sauce in Philly?
 
6:39 PM
@DanilaLadner any runnning process will need to be restarted
 
@Iain Agreed, but "Unix-like operating systems assign users to groups at login time. You can see this using the id -a command which will show all group membership. Run id -a, then add yourself to additional groups and run id -a again. The new groups will NOT show up" this is wrong.
 
@DanilaLadner Ok. I just ran that test. There was no change in secondary group memberships from id -a
 
@DanilaLadner you can just edit that to fix it though
and don't forget it's on Solaris which may be different
 
@Magellan what os?
 
@DanilaLadner CentOS
 
6:44 PM
@Magellan whats that
 
I've tried solaris 11 and rhel 6
that what i have available
 
I'm just going out otherwise I'd fire up an S10 system
 
@MDMarra It's a hotter version of Tapatio sauce. it's my current addiction.
 
let me try debian
 
We might but I haven't seen it.
 
6:45 PM
@DanilaLadner CentOS is the community re-package of RHEL6.
 
@DanilaLadner Are you running id -a as the already logged in user, or are you running id -a USERNAME?
 
@freiheit exactly.
 
@freiheit as already logged in user
 
@DanilaLadner specifying the username does a lookup. It doesn't reference the existing user's current memberships
 
@Magellan i did not specify a username though
thats what i did
 
6:47 PM
> Primary and supplementary groups for a process are normally inherited from its parent and are usually unchanged since login. This means that if you change the group database after logging in, 'id' will not reflect your changes within your existing login session. Running 'id' with a user argument causes the user and group database to be consulted afresh, and so will give a different result.
(that's from the id info page)
 
[vagrant@localhost ~]$ sudo usermod -a -G users vagrant
[vagrant@localhost ~]$ id -a vagrant
uid=500(vagrant) gid=500(vagrant) groups=500(vagrant),10(wheel),100(users)
 
@DanilaLadner Then you specified the username
 
oh i did referenced username
you are right
let me try without it
yeah you guys are correct, my bad.
somehow was confused on this
 
THis is why I love you guys. Most of my teammates look at me as if I'm flat-out fucking bonkers for even caring about such things.
 
hmm, so it does requires logging off for the shell to catch that group modification
Thanks, need to go appologiez now o that thread
 
6:51 PM
@ewwhite sup?
 
@MDMarra I needed HELP!
 
with?
Are you heartbroken after the Loul Deng trade and wishing the Bulls had a prayer this season?
 
@MDMarra I need to determine how fucked a particular client is.
 
nice
go on
 
@MDMarra Oh, black people don't like basketball.
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6:53 PM
That's basically the least true statement I think I've ever heard.
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@Iain Yeah, I think Tom was simply doing me a favor since he didn't care either way and agreed it was a good fit for that site and the OP requested it. I didn't want the OP deleting the question and me having to copy/paste to a new one on NE. Regardless, I wonder what mod felt it wasn't applicable to NE?
 
@MDMarra You should probably log in and look... They have Windows 2003...
 
Background?
 
@ewwhite Thats like canadians don't really like hockey.
 
and I am adding Windows 2008 servers, VMware and such... I want to see if I should force them to replace their Windows 2003 domain controller (singular)
 
6:55 PM
you should
with 2 2012 R2 servers
 
@MDMarra but I need to know what will be impacted... and have a sanity-check done..
 
Send me creds
 
I'm tired of this client's um... I don't know if it's laziness, ignorance, etc...
they have a full-time guy and a part-time consultant...
I built the Windows boxen and handed them over... saying, "use your Microsoft Volume License key"...
Client: "Oh, um, we don't have any...."
maybe that's normal
I don't know.
 
It's not
 
But the domain controller... you should see this.
oh and ugh... they had no reverse DNS zones defined.
 
6:58 PM
Not terrible
I mean, not best practice, but not necessarily required for an internal DNS infra
 

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