The Comms Room

Michael Mrozek

07:16

I should probably go to sleep, so you'll all have to talk even more than you are right now to make up for the void left by my absence

Marc Gravell

;p

Janne Pikkarainen

Good {morning,day,evening,night}

balpha

morning

Marc Gravell

►

Janne Pikkarainen

Hmm. I think I still prefer my beloved irssi over this web 2.0 thing. :D irc + irssi = match made in heaven <3

Zoredache

07:25

Was the idea that this would be the default room to replace chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/32/server-fault? Or shoul I create another general room?

Marc Gravell

tell you what - you go make a general room, I'll leave (rename) this as a welcome room - and probably lock it

Zoredache

Ok.

splattne

Good morning, sysannihilators!

Tom

nice

ah ha

Antoine Benkemoun

09:50

Hello !

balpha

hi

Antoine Benkemoun

This is nice

Antoine Benkemoun

Looks like a time killer !

Janne Pikkarainen

Yeah, chats can be real time vampires

jscott

11:25

Hello

balpha

hi

Josh

13:23

Hey there @MichaelMrozek

Michael Mrozek

:244 Hello! I'm not actually on SF ever, but this is the new hotness so I'm hanging out in here for a little while

Kyle Brandt

@Josh: You mind being quoted on blog.SF ?

Josh

:246 Depends on how stupid what I said was ;-) haha, j/k. I don't mind at all

Kyle Brandt

Cool thanks :-)

Josh

:245 Sure is the new hotness -- replying to your message shows it's #245!

:246 What are you quoting me as saying? :-)

Michael Mrozek

13:26

:253 "Hey there @MichaelMrozek", if the highlight is to be believed. Which is understandable, they probably want to get the word out that I'm here to draw more traffic

Josh

:256 LOL :-)

Actually I'm surprised at how much traffic this place is getting, I just started a Virtualization room and it has more people in the past 10 minutes than the PHP or The Roach Motel rooms on chat.meta have had in the past 10 days combined

Kyle Brandt

@Josh: Post is up now if you want to go see

Josh

:311 HAHA, I just pulled that up :-)

Kyle Brandt

I usually can't write anything without some sort of typo or grammar mistake so let me know :-P

Josh

Cool, I think you chose a fitting example for what chat can be useful for :-)

We have had a room going for a few weeks now over at meta.chat.stackoverflow.com but it nice for us to have our own place now where we can create specific chat rooms now

should be: it's

aside from that it's fine as far as I can tell :-)

James Lawrie

13:45

afternoon

Josh

Hey @JamesLawrie

ErikA

Good morning :)

@KyleBrandt s/Straight forward/Straightforward/ in the blog post.

James Lawrie

seems weird having this here, ServerFault has always been a sort of slow site to me - it seems like there's no one around until you ask a question

Josh

:343 I wasn't sure about that one :-)

Kyle Brandt

@ErikA: Fixed, thanks :-)

ErikA

13:48

NP

Josh

:344 hopefully this will change that :-)

ErikA

also, come on, netsplits are fun!

Kyle Brandt

Do you guys see a line at the bottom of the image?

I get that in FF but not chrome, and it is not in the image

ErikA

Nope, not in Safari.

Josh

:350 Same as @ErikA -- not in Safari

James Lawrie

13:50

just need 6 more rep to overtake my boss... so close =)

ErikA

@James any idea why your last name isn't showing up? Is that intentional?

Kyle Brandt

@JamesLawrie: Who is that?

James Lawrie

not sure @EirkA - some people are responding with the full name some aren't, guessing browser issue?

ErikA

@KyleBrandt's full name shows up in the chat transcript, but your's isnt, which was awkward when the @username tab autocomplete only showed @JamesLawrie.

splattne

Hi guys!

ErikA

13:55

Hey @splattne.

James Lawrie

well it is @JamesLawrie ErikA

Kyle Brandt

@ErikA: I see his full name...

ErikA

@KyleBrandt odd. That's in FF, correct? Or a webkit browser?

Kyle Brandt

This is chrome

I use FF and Chrome for no apparent reason at the moment :-P

ErikA

Well I'll just attribute it to a fluke I guess.

So - any way to dismiss the chat announcement banner at sf.com? :)

Kyle Brandt

13:58

Oh, I see why. I have three monitors. One of them is its own X screen. So that one has the chrome icon more prominent :-)

@EirkA: For some reason it bothers me that it spans the whole width unlike everything else ...

James Lawrie

@Erika I was wondering that too, all the others have a x at the side

James Lawrie

woo :) I'm above him. If only the job ladder worked like this

Michael Mrozek

:372 No, system messages can't be dismissed

ErikA

@MichaelMrozek that question was more directed at @KyleBrandt I guess, who may have a bit more insight into these things than the average bear. :)

Kyle Brandt

I don't mind it not being dismissed but I would like the width to be restrained or for it to be right under the grey bar myself

ErikA

14:09

@KyleBrandt agreed, that would help.

Rajat

Hi Guys

how this chat room works!! very good look and feel at firefox and opera too!!

Kyle Brandt

@Rajat: Working with great programmers is simply awesome :-)

Rajat

@KBrandt your right :->

James Lawrie

kyle how long did it take to put this together?

Rajat

this is some think like news room kind of staff too good

Kyle Brandt

14:18

@JamesLawrie: It has been in the works for a couple months I think. We had something working very fast. We use it internally and have been adding features. The whole "dog fooding" thing Jeff has blogged about.

James Lawrie

it does look like something the developers have used, just a few of the little nifty features you might not want unless you tried it

Kyle Brandt

RE: Dog Food , blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/01/eating-our-own-careers-dogfood

And editing is amazing :-)

Izzy

14:36

Hmmm, things are different today!

Josh

:391 Yeah, no more pesky programmers mingling in with us ;-)

:390 I love editing in chat!!

MattUebel

I would just like to say hoorah for serverfault chat :D

11

MattUebel

thats all

MattUebel

I think

MattUebel

nice spam preventer

Josh

14:47

:394 Have a gold star :-)

balpha

:398 it's black for him

Josh

:399 Rats, you're right :-(

It's so much less fun to say "Have a black star", lol

balpha

of course I am, I'm a pesky programmer ;)

Josh

:402 So am I, LOL :-)

I have to wear may hats

Izzy

Argh! The starship enterprise noise has been replaced with a 1983 Casio keyboard sound!

balpha

14:50

:405 no, it hasn't

Josh

:405 ROFLMAO I noticed that too

balpha

but we obviously have different sounds for the different sites

Izzy

Ohhh... not a fan

Josh

:408 I like the different sounds for different sites

:409 It should be something more sysadmin-y

what's a universal server alert noise...?

balpha

yeah, like the last breath of a failing hard disk

Josh

14:51

LOL

Izzy

Man - that noise is horrid

Zypher

@Josh the beeping of a raid card in distress

Josh

:413 the sound of a screaming sysadmin: "Noooooo!!!!!! My dataaaaaaaaaaa!"

Izzy

Aside from muting my speakers, or jabbing sticks into my ear canals, how do I stop it?

balpha

:418 how about turning it off?

Josh

14:52

:418 Use the sound conrol icon above the room name

Izzy

@Josh +1 phew!

Sanity returning

Josh

lol

@balpha what is "all my rooms" in the notification, that's all rooms you're in?

balpha

yes

Josh

If so, I have a suggestion for sound options: a new one, "rooms I created"

balpha

> And so began the expansion of the "sound settings" menu into a 256-option behemoth.

Zypher

14:55

the room switcher is neat

balpha

in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Aug 31 at 19:43, by Popular Demand

And so began the expansion of the "sound settings" menu into a 256-option behemoth.

James Lawrie

is there any talk of a serverfault careers? or is it just a bit too small atm?

Josh

:429 You've been following me, eh? :-)

sysadmin1138

Heh. There IS a link to careers.serverfault.com, but it takes you to the same list as SO.

GregD

15:11

Just what I need. ANOTHER time waster.

or should I say distraction

Goyuix

Any ideas for badges relating to chat?

Goyuix

Maybe something like "message starred at least 5/10/50 times"???

Josh

:437 I like it. I doubt it'll happen, but I like it

Ahem

This is cool.

Josh

FYI anyone looking for general hilarity might want to check out the naming court happening in

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/89/the-tavern-general

Huh, onebox links cross-site don't work

Justin Scott

15:22

"Lurker" - Active in chat room for at least seven days without actually posting a message. Wait, I just disqualified myself... darn!

Goyuix

Looks like chat badges have been discussed on meta already:
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/57102/special-badges-for-chat

Zypher

i love when my tape library fails to inventory

Josh

:445 Uggggg :-(

Coding Gorilla

tape devices are the bane of my existence

GregD

Best day of my life was getting rid of tapes...

Coding Gorilla

15:34

Since we're on the subject, what do you use for backups since getting rid of tape?

GregD

Iron Mountain Live Vault

It's damn expensive

Zypher

@gregD we looked at doing that but by the end of our retention period we would have been paying 40k /mo

GregD

but worth it since we don't have to man handle tapes

yeah. we don't have a ton of data. right now it's approximately 7-8K a year

Zypher

ahh yea

much better

for that we woudl have done it

anyone ever want to press 1 when you call iron mountain just to see what happens

GregD

Our tape process was way to easy to break or mis manage

Zypher

15:36

?

GregD

and it happened frequently

especially if someone forgot to hand off the tapes to iron mountain

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrr

Zypher

my main problem right now is the crappy software we use

and the 10 year old tape library that is just limping along

GregD

Our chain of custody was such that front desk personnel would do the actual exchange with IM and if someone forgot (i.e.: I.T. staff) to deliver the lockbox to them, the whole process broke for that week

Izzy

Tape Drives still exist?!

How quaint

Zypher

haha @Izzy what do you do for your backusp?

Izzy

15:39

Data Domain

hundreds of them

GregD

Ha. I still have some 8" floppies around here..

Coding Gorilla

No 8", but I still have a ton of 5.25" from my Amiga days

Coding Gorilla

I don't try to back up to them tho :P

GregD

God. Anyone remember Beagle Bros. Software on the old Apple ][+?

Zypher

@Izzy so what do you do for long term (7+ year) archival?

Izzy

15:41

Not really sure - not in the backup team (cop out answer I know)

Zypher

also i'm assuming your using thier replication what do you do about issues, such as corruption on a source DDomain getting replicated

Izzy

Although iirc there's only a legal requirement in Canada to keep data fro 7 years

sysadmin1138

I would love to use pure disk backups.

Izzy

@Zypher I wish I could answer! All I do know is that it's all DD, over 100mbit MPLS across the north and south american continent

Zypher

@sysadmin ... i'm still not sold on pure disk backups ... tapes are a PITA but they do have a 20+ year history of long term storage

Izzy

15:43

Not sure what we do elsewhere in the world (china, turkey, austrailia, etc)

Coding Gorilla

@Zypher You've got a point, they also have (in my experience) a 10+ year track record of getting screwed up in so many ways I've lost count

Zypher

@Coding true, but they same could be said for hard drives ;) i've become a fan of a hybrid approach ... D2D (replciated) D2T for offsite (maybe less frequently than daily

)

Coding Gorilla

Good point! And I like that strategy as well

Zypher

the other win is it lets you not have to worry about backup windows as much since D2D is so much faster than D2T and the D2T part is not against production :)

Josh

Why doesn't SO have a chat? Or are server related issues more of a chattable area?

Zypher

15:49

we are the favorite child :)

Chealion

:490 I'm fairly certain it's because SF has actually used the feature for more than a mindless general room.

Josh

ah

GregD

we have chat so we can talk about vgv8 ;)

Zypher

ahhhhg my eyes

Josh

Un oh, two @Josh es :-)

Rajat

15:51

:D

Josh

^^

Chris S

:494 Ugh, can't we just forget he ever existed?

GregD

@ChrisS - No because he'll be back sometime in October...

Oct 13 at 4:45 to be exact

Kyle Brandt

Personally I won't be to hesitant for a permaban, will see what other mods think

sysadmin1138

As much as I dislike tape backups, I'm stuck with them. My backup platform licenses B2D space at completely unreasonable prices, so tape it is.

Zypher

15:54

@kyle yes very short leash imho

Chris S

:486 I agree, we're currently using D2D for recent backups (2-3 weeks); and D2T for weekly offsite/monthly archival. I haven't had hardly any problems with tapes, backup software yes, but the medium very rarely.

Zypher

Yea the one time we had a serious issue with tapes was when the scsi card was writing garbage to them for 2 or 3 days

AHG that sucks

GregD

how are you handling your chain of custody on tapes..assuming you're sending them offsite?

Zypher

They sit in an IT dept locked office when the IM guy gets here the receptionist tracks one of us down

sysadmin1138

I'm staging backups to disk and then spooling to LTO4. Doing it like that means I can keep the LTO4s fed with data fast enough to not shoeshine. I don't retain anything on disk, too expensive.

Izzy

15:57

It'll be interesting to see what happens here next though. We just told EMC to PFO and switched our contract to NetApp - that's a crapton of Data Domains we have kicking around now

GregD

I see @Zypher

Izzy

What capacity are tapes up to these days?

are they in the TB range?

sysadmin1138

LTO4 is around 800GB native, and if you get better than 1:1.2 compression ratios can store over 1TB>

LTO5 is over 1TB IIRC.

Izzy

That must take a painfully long time no?

GregD

I was going to ask how long it takes to back one of those up nowadays

Kyle Brandt

16:06

Well with 2 tape drives it takes in theory 1/2 the time ...

Multiplexing

I think tape is kind of underrated these days

sysadmin1138

@Izzy Not as long as you'd think. An LTO4 drive can easily saturate a GigE link, and even push FibreChannel when running flat out.

The FC-attached LTO4 library I have has an individual fibre port for each tape-drive. The SAS version of this library has a separate SAS connection for each drive. They do that so the drives don't bottleneck each other.

Izzy

@KyleBrandt I dunno - with disk costs perpetually decreasing, size increasing, and factor in dedupe, the cards are on the table for tape

Dedup makes me tingle

sysadmin1138

@Izzy Not for HP, anyway. HP Data Protector licenses B2D space by the freaking TB in the B2D archive. Price stable at around $5/GB. If their dedupe worked better for 'unorganized file data' I'd be less cranky about it.

Izzy

we run a 2000 Vista VDI on a NetApp NAS, and the total disk cost for the 2000x20gb C drive costs us... 45GB

45GB for 2000 vista workstations :)

sysadmin1138

I pine, pine for real dedupe.

Izzy

16:12

What performance % do you get out of the HP Dedupe?

on average NetApp quotes between 70-80%

iirc

sysadmin1138

It's not the performance that sends me into fits of rage, it's how it interacts with failover clusters. I wasn't able to use it long enough to find out how efficient it was due to.... arg, red mists of rage descending.

Izzy

I'm dying to get a dedupe NAS for home, slap in 10TB, and move all my music, videos, and photos over to it

@sysadmin1138 lol

Not financially viable though. Although I do remember hearing on the grapevine that dedupe is coming to/available on openfiler, or freeNas, or something - using ZFS

sysadmin1138

ZFS dedupe... hadn't realized the Linux ZFS stack had gotten that advanced.

fahadsadah

Hey guys

Izzy

@sysadmin1138 Just did a search - it's OpenSolaris that has dedupe on ZFS

Maybe it's time to learn Solaris! Would come in handy with the few Solaris VMs we have around here I guess too

sysadmin1138

16:18

Doh! Too bad that got canned by Oracle. That would have been extra nifty.

Izzy

@sysadmin1138 It's still available? hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/downloads

fahadsadah

@izzy Unmaintained.

Izzy

Boooo :(

fahadsadah

I wouldn't run that on anything other than a test box.

sysadmin1138

Yeah, unmaintained.

fahadsadah

16:19

And even then reluctantly

Izzy

@fahadsadah but it's still functional enough to set up a home NAS with though surely?

fahadsadah

Sure.

sysadmin1138

@Izzy A pair of blog-posts describing why I loathe DP's dedupe. sysadmin1138.net/mt/blog/2008/05/… Links to the first in the series. I was rational when I wrote those.

Izzy

I wonder if ZFS dedupe is on-the-fly, or scheduled

sysadmin1138

I know their snapshot process is scheduled.

Izzy

16:23

:551 Nasty!

Starbucks O'Clock

sysadmin1138

A fellow admin here is using it (on BSD, not OpenSol) as a true backup method, though.

Snapshot to external media, and then do updates to the snapshot once the media is in rotation. That only works because their snapshot is block-based, not copy-on-write.

Kyle Brandt

16:38

@Izzy: Just got back with my girly Mocha Frapachino :-)

GregD

and here I thought mine was girly: Venti quad starbucks double-shot with cinnamon dolce.

which, I might add, I don't really drink anymore

Coding Gorilla

I spend a lot of time with my Doctor... Dr. Pepper =)

Zypher

Sissies all ! :) Give me a nice strong black cup o Joe

Zoredache

Hrph, that wasn't supposed to happen

sysadmin1138

Adding a new feed?

Zoredache

16:46

Yeah, I thought the general stack exchange feed, might also be somewhat interesting.

Kyle Brandt

Not a bad idea

Zoredache

So Kyle, what is the impact of the RSS feeds on the server? How many feeds can the system have before things start to go crazy.

Kyle Brandt

Well if it can handle SO

I wouldn't worry about this chan :-)

It would take a lot of feeds to really generate a lot of traffic

Zoredache

17:03

I was somewhat curious what would happen if I setup a News feed channel with all my sysadmin feeds. But on the other hand I am not sure if that would be useful.

Rajat

i think SF team use python with django

Zoredache

@Rajat, why do you think that?

sysadmin1138

There is always planetsysadmin.com

Rajat

you see the way this is getting updated chat.serverfault.com very fast that y?

Marc Gravell

You can also do feeds in a box, rather than in the chat. Useful for higher volume feeds.

@Rajat - I don't quite follow...?

Rajat

17:09

ok i havnt use feeds yet i need to learn that how to for feeds

Marc Gravell

You get options when adding the feed. I'm on mobile at the moment so I can't (easily) go to that screen - but it should be fairly obvious.

Rajat

@Zoredache I mean lot people writing on same page !

Marc Gravell

:597 Well, let me assure you; neither python nor django are involved ;p

Rajat

:610 then which product works like this IRC chat

Marc Gravell

well, this isn't IRC (as such)...

Zoredache

17:22

I don't think anything works like this chat. They did after all choose to reinvent the wheel to build this chat.

Josh Brower

seems to be a pretty good wheel at that...

Marc Gravell

well, it is still round and made of rubber - we just made sure it kept the bits we liked, lost the bits we didn't, and added some shiny hub caps.

And alloys.

sysadmin1138

Personally, I like all the polish.

Rajat

then which product will give such fast update on the web if this not IRC or nay other chatting server!! I want to learn this how this chat server work!!

sorry for my silly question

Marc Gravell

well, since this is SF, I'm sure a bit of network sniffing (fiddler, wireshark, etc) will show most of what is going on ;p

Well, at the transport layer, at least

Zoredache

17:27

@Rajat, you understand this is something completely new developed for the stackexchange sites right?

Marc Gravell

The code is bespoke - written for SOFU/SE

Rajat

:622 ok

Evan Anderson

17:44

Late to the backup conversation, but I'll opine anyway. It'd be nice not to have to deal with tape, but for any serious quantity of data (100GB+) the economic analysis I've done points to tape being the only cost-effective solution for long term (7 year being the U.S. benchmark, typically) retention windows. Hybrid disk-to-tape is nice, but disk is way too expensive for long term retention.

Evan Anderson

Getting disk offline is much more difficult than tape, too, unless you just plan on buying more and more disk forever. In the "cloud" space I'm troubled by the bandwidth bottlenecks that prevent disaster recovery restores. It's hard to beat the bandwidth of getting some tapes from the off-site storage facility, slotting them into the autoloader, and streaming the data at LTO-4 speed.

Evan Anderson

Sure-- a tiered backup / restore strategy may meet the SLAs for some applications, but if you have a 200GB opaque "blob", like an SQL Server database, that's critical to your line-of-business you're just going to be stuck restoring it at whatever speed your connection to the "cloud" is before you can be "up" again.

Evan Anderson

I've got a local outsourced backup firm that promises they can ship a disk array next-day with your data on it in emergencies. That's fairly attractive, but I'm not convinced of their maturity to trust them with holding my Customers' retention function.

Evan Anderson

I'm still sold on owning that physical media, at least for the present time. (There's probably an interesting startup opportunity in providing highly available data retention, but the capital investment to bootstrap that business would be astronomical.)

Evan Anderson

(I can't be terse...)

Izzy

17:52

:565 Just manly black coffee (sans sugar/sweetner) for me ;)

@EvanAnderson Just had a word with someone here about our long term retention - apparantly one of our DRS sites is based at a company that makes tape backups off one of our Data Domains

if that makes any sense

Coding Gorilla

@Izzy That makes sense, they offload the work on someone else =P

Izzy

@CodingGorilla Exactamundo!

I'm kind of excited to give OpenSolaris a whirl

Evan Anderson

@Izzy: Tape has great economics for retention, so that makes sense. As long as the numbers work outsourced "grunt work" works great...

Izzy

I've been wrestling with a home storage solution for ages

sysadmin1138

Meeting time...

Evan Anderson

17:57

I feel sad for OpenSolaris, what w/ the Sun acquisition. One of my partners has been using an OpenSolaris box w/ ZFS for his home storage for nearly 2 years now and he's been pleased. I haven't had enough spare CPU cycles to take the time to really sit down and look at it (being a SYSV Unix kid, and later getting into Linux, Solaris seems vaguely strange and foreign to me), but now that Oracle owns it I worry that it's going to dry up.

6

Izzy

A homebrew NAS OpenSolaris solution is attractive for the dedupe on ZFS - I just don't want a honking great noisy PC whirring away in my condo. My home is a desktop free zone

"However following this a group of former OpenSolaris developers decided to "fork" the distribution and now development of an OpenSolaris based core OS (or what OpenSolaris would have been) continues under a new project by the community called Illumos"

Hmmmm, anyone used Illumos?

Evan Anderson

Hmm... I'll have to have a look at the license Sun was using. Anybody know if it OSI compliant? If it was, then a fork is probably fairly viable. I know that it's GPL incompatible, because that's stopping the ZFS code from getting into Linux.

Izzy

My unix days ended an age ago with HPUX - haven't really kept up at all

Chris S

I'm a FreeBSD fanboy, but hasn't had time to dive into ZFS yet; it's on my to do list.

Chris S

OpenSolaris was released under the CDDL: opensource.org/licenses/cddl1.php

Chris S

18:08

CDDL clause 3.4 says you can't impose additional licensing terms on the code if you include it with your code. So it's not GPL compatible.

Izzy

"llumos was announced by webinar[1] on Thursday, 3 August 2010, as a community effort of some core Solaris engineers to create a truly open source Solaris by swapping closed source bits of OpenSolaris with open implementations." - I'm assuming there's no open implentation of Suns ZFS?

Chris S

wiki.freebsd.org/ZFS

Evan Anderson

From what I'm reading ZFS was released under the CDDL. (I'm trying to wrap my mind around the CDDL right now...)

Rajat

h-online.com/open/news/item/… above link have seen guys

h-online.com/open/news/item/… update---:D

Evan Anderson

nexenta.org seemed interesting to me, but I've never gotten around to looking at it. It'll be interesting to see what their plans are WRT Illumos.

Izzy

18:21

:670 Looks like FreeBSD only supports ZFSv15. ZFSv21 is the one with DeDupe :/

If I'm interpreting this correctly

Chris S

ZFSv21 is in the development version now; but I think they're going to wait until v26 is ready before switching up.

Evan Anderson

Back to the working...

Chris S

Correction, there is a patch set for v28 out two weeks ago; and it looks like that will be the version that will be backported to RELEASE-8.1 and later versions. I am in no way part of release engineering; so no guarantees.

MattUebel

zfs snapshotting seems to be the big reason to use zfs

Izzy

18:37

I dunno - I just want a large capacity, quiet, redundant (RAID), dedupe aware NAS for home, for not a ton of money

Some would say I want the moon on a stick

Zoredache

The moon on a stick? Hrm, never heard that idiom before.

Izzy

Think it's a UK thing

Nobody here in Canada seems to have heard it either

Chris S

@Izzy, capacity, quiet, redundant, etc, and cheap; not a problem... but performance, well that might "suffer" a bit.

Zoredache

Any idea if Microsoft is ever going to release the storage related stuff they have for WHS for 2008, or any other version of Windows?

Izzy

18:52

@ChrisS Performance isn't top of my list really. It's just going to store TBs of video, music, and RAW photos

sysadmin1138

19:15

@zoredache We're looking at the WHS stuff too. It could solve some of our trickier problems.

Josh

21:35

When people exit the room and their avatars drag down and to the left as they fade...totally just thought I had a bug on my screen (out of the corner of my eye.)

Josh

:801 Yeah, cool, isn't it?

Also, do you often talk to yourself? ;-)

Josh

@Josh on occasion ^^ :O and yea the effect it pretty slick, they did good on this design.

Joe Philllips

21:49

Icons aren't showing up for me. Did we kill it?

Joe Philllips

or is it because of my lowly reputation

Sagar

what icons?

LOL josh

Joe Philllips

:807 The avatars

Josh

Glad I could amuse @Sagar

:809 Reload -- they work for me, it shouldn't be affected by rep

Sagar

they work for me too

Joe Philllips

21:52

Just reloaded.... no go. Maybe it's because of a firewall or something (but that's strange since they work in the other chat)

Josh

:809 Do they work for you on chat.meta.stackoverflow.com ?

I take that as a "yes" :-)

Joe Philllips

I bet it's adblock... maybe I never unblocked serverfault

Josh

:816 Oh, this is Joe isn't it? :-)

sysadmin1138

The images come from gravitar.com

Sagar

Actually I'm using adblock

sysadmin1138

21:53

Or rather gravatar.com

Sagar

and its on, and I can still see the avatars

Joe Philllips

It was adblock... I had to disable it on this site

Sagar

that's weird...

oh well

has anyone here ever used opensolaris, or any solaris? is it just another flavour of linux?

Josh

:827 I use opensolaris

Sagar

@Josh Is it good as a desktop OS?

Josh

21:59

I have a backup server running opensolaris with a zfs filesystem, with gzip-9 compression, using daily snapshots

Sagar

oh wow

Josh

:829 Haven't used it as a desktop OS, but I can tell you ZFS (the filesystem) is AWESOME

I love the built in compression, snapshot and RAID

Great docs, too

docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461

:829 I know it uses Gnome by default as the GUI, so if you're familair with Gnome you should be at home

Sagar

ok

I use gnome a lot so that should not be an issue..i just want something new to play with :\

already used ubuntu, fedora, rhel, suse, windows (everyday)

bored of them all

Joe Philllips

how do I turn off this sound

Sagar

@d03boy top right corner

near the big (all rooms) button

Joe Philllips

22:07

Thank you sir

Joe Philllips

I've seen that icon a billion times and it didn't even cross my mind to click it

Sagar

I have that issue almost everyday with something or the other...all in a days work :)

me outsee y'all

Josh

22:21

I'm taking off. Later everyone!

Zoredache

23:36

I really wish I could dismiss the 'serverfault has a 3rd place' banner.

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Cody Harlow

So do I.

Josh

me too

Chacha102

Hello Serverfaulters

Zypher

@Zored yes

1000x yes

or at least get rid of the blaring color and jumping around when pages load

i <3 air cards .... although i think the sadder part is my need to be constantly connected

Chacha102

23:54

Meta.SO is way friendlier.....

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