The Bridge

FEichinger

3:01 PM

@kalina Just to complete the weirdness: "Any day of the week!"

Arperum

@Yuki It earned itself an instant burn.

Yuki

@Arperum I'm not following.

5pike

@Yuki Fredley's burnination script

Eon Rusted du Plessis

Well, we can weird it out to the point of horror-weird, but I dunno who is sqweemish here

Yuki

@5pike Ah.

Eon Rusted du Plessis

3:04 PM

5pike

@EonRustedduPlessis Hehehehe....I posted that a few weeks back.

Powerlord

Hmm, they're supposed to update my PC to Windows 7 after work tomorrow. Since I need to take Thursday off, hopefully my PC isn't f'ed up when I get back Friday.

Yuki

@5pike Yeah, I was about to point out that had been posted recently.

5pike

@Yuki There's a reverse one, where he eats the ducky.

Eon Rusted du Plessis

@Yuki I only joined post-recently. I came in like a wrecking ball

Yuki

3:06 PM

Also, it seems @Eon gravitates towards animated gifs of things coming out of people's mouths.

I need a psychoanalysis, post-haste!

FEichinger

@EonRustedduPlessis It's safe to say that you should get better acquainted with the people you're ~~talking~~ weirding to before going to those levels of weird.

Eon Rusted du Plessis

@FEichinger but but.... We need to go deeper ...

into the weirdness

FEichinger

Bad context for the word "deeper".

Eon Rusted du Plessis

^_^ english isn't my main language in my defense

3ventic

Needs burning

Eon Rusted du Plessis

3:09 PM

@3ventic Agreed

5pike

@3ventic all the flags

Eon Rusted du Plessis

That is why we cannot have anything nice.

3ventic

because we delete offensive posts?

Ben Brocka

Motion Picture Association of America, Inc. joined W3C

Tweeted by w3c on January 7, 2014 at 1:31 PM

internal screaming

Eon Rusted du Plessis

no, because people make offensive posts

FEichinger

3:11 PM

@BenBrocka What the ... Why?

Frank

Welp, my vacation time is over. Guess it's time to update the resume and start looking for a job.

Arperum

WHy do people keep using a textfield in a DB to save the sex of a person? And then write "Man" or "Woman" in it. Learn to use a friggin bit people...

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Yuki

@BenBrocka What on earth...?

FEichinger

@Arperum To leave the option for non-standard genders, duh!

Arperum

@BenBrocka What? Why? How? Why?

Jason Berkan

3:12 PM

@Arperum You need more than a bit nowadays.

5pike

@Arperum MONEY

Ben Brocka

@FEichinger there's been talks of integrating DRM into HTML5 for a few months. Guess why

Eon Rusted du Plessis

@Arperum Story of my life.

Yuki

@BenBrocka Oh... boy.

Arperum

@BenBrocka No.No.No.NO.

Frank

3:12 PM

@Arperum And when done right, a bit field is actually a trinary!

FAE

@FEichinger This is actually important for some people, y'know.

FEichinger

@BenBrocka I'm well aware of that. Didn't expect anything to come of it, though.

Eon Rusted du Plessis

glad to see I'm not the only dev here :P

3ventic

not even close

Yuki

Well, now it's only a matter of time before the RIAA joins W3C now.

Ben Brocka

3:14 PM

@FEichinger The fact they didn't immediately refuse it concerned me; this much more so

Arperum

@EonRustedduPlessis I think devs/programmers outnumber non-programmers here.

FEichinger

I mean, this usually isn't the kind of thing the W3C gets involved in ... And that worries me.

Eon Rusted du Plessis

@Arperum Then I am going to enjoy it here.

already do :)

3ventic

is it bad if DRM gets integrated into html5?

kalina

@FEichinger Alien

Frank

3:15 PM

@3ventic Yes

DRM = bad. No matter where.

3ventic

Why exactly?

well that's true

Lazers

0

Q: Assassins Creed 3 fast travel problem

I got my two royal pistols the double barrel pistols and every time I fast travel anywhere it always changes one of my pistols to the Scottish flintlock pistols but it keeps my other royal pistol how can I keep both of them

assassins-creed-3

Frank

Because the internet is built on an assumption of openness and freedom.

FEichinger

@FAE I know it's an important issue for some people, but I oppose the notion of it no less.

3ventic

but if it's not integrated, it'll just be built around it

FEichinger

3:16 PM

@3ventic Very much so. Very much so.

Frank

DRM is the antithesis of everything the current internet is built on.

Yuki

I just think about our current situation with DRM-required games. A good number of them are nigh-unplayable just because of the DRM.

FAE

@FEichinger "oppose the notion"?

kalina

OH NO QUICKLY CHANGE THE SUBJECT

3ventic

50 secs ago, by 3ventic

but if it's not integrated, it'll just be built around it

kalina

3:17 PM

this is basically like discussion of religion or politics on the bridge

BANNED

3ventic

There's no difference to the end user, really.

Yuki

►

kalina

so, how 'bout them apples?

Frank

@3ventic There will be; if you integrate DRM into the very building blocks of the internet, it won't take long for them to be used in a manner that wasn't accounted for, and it will be abused.

Arperum

@3ventic The problem is that an OPEN standard is turning slowly into a CLOSED piece of shit.

kalina

3:19 PM

the internet as we know it will probably cease to exist within the next decade or two anyway

Yuki

@kalina I haven't had an apple in a long time.

OrigamiRobot

@kalina I prefer Granny Smith

FEichinger

@3ventic There's a lot of difference to devs, though. Think copyright laws harshly applied to websites, forcing you to integrate DRM measures.

Yuki

I should fix that.

kalina

@OrigamiRobot you eat granny smith?

3ventic

3:19 PM

@Arperum At that point a large portion of the population will say screw it and start their own standard.

Yuki

@3ventic Fork the Internet!

Arperum

@3ventic WHich is bad again, you'll get IE6 situations by doing that.

3ventic

@Arperum True, but it's probably unavoidable anyway

private and often greedy corporations have too much power

although "it will happen anyway" is probably the worst excuse known to mankind

Arperum

@3ventic Also: how much chance do you give that new open standard? I give it no chance at all. Since every commercial website is going to use the closed one.

Martin Sojka

We'll all die anyway. Let's enjoy the ride.

3ventic

3:22 PM

DRM in its own right is good, but it's almost exclusively implemented really badly and they end up being restrictive pieces of shit that don't even work

Frank

@3ventic Yeah. So if DRM must be implemented, let it be built around the open standard, so that the features are not the core blocks of what the internet is all about.

Arperum

@Frank This.

FEichinger

@Arperum Well, it could bring something new. Fixing some of the big flaws HTML (and even HTTP in itself) has had forever, by getting a clean slate.

Or it could turn out to be a horribly pretentious hackery done by a couple of kids in their basement thinking they're all cool and fancy by defying "teh big corporashons" ...

Yuki

@FEichinger I don't know, but I suddenly thought of Rashomon. I blame your on-purpose bad spelling.

FEichinger

The latter probably being more likely, since most of us are just going to suck it up because this is our paychecks we're talking about, rather than doing anything about it.

I mean, I certainly wouldn't risk my job for a fight against the W3C.

3ventic

3:26 PM

It would be good to have it integrated if and only if it's implemented in a way that doesn't restrict the end user too much, but I oppose the idea because it most certainly won't.

Martin Sojka

I've yet to have a programming job where DRM would even be mentioned in passing.

Lazers

0

Q: How do you get horizontal movement with a rocket jump?

Both this and this question provide good advice for various types of rocket-jumping, and I have followed these jumping techniques to the best of my ability, but there is one technique that continues to elude me as a solider. Rapid forward momentum. My rocket jumps carry a little forward mome...

team-fortress-2 tf2-soldier

FEichinger

@MartinSojka It's relevant for literally anything that involves content creators of any sort.

That goes from research papers to a video clip.

Jason Berkan

@FEichinger The majority of business programming does not involve content creators.

Martin Sojka

@FEichinger I code stuff (well, streaming controlling software) for TV and radio stations at the moment. No DRM in sight for our software, anywhere.

The most we have to do with DRM is "insert that stream into that Cisco encoder there and try to get it out on that other port, hoping it doesn't screw up."

(Note: They do. Damn Cisco.)

Ben Brocka

3:30 PM

The only DRM involved with my content creation is the HDCP I gleefully and easily crack to record games...and youtube's...not really DRM so much as "making it obtuse to download videos"

FEichinger

Damn Cisco indeed. But I was mostly referring to web programming, where this is very much an important issue at all times.

Jason Berkan

Crazy Canadian Alert! My office is having an official break in 30 minutes so that we can gather and watch the unveiling of the Canadian men's Olympic hockey team.

Arperum

@FEichinger The "Make it impossible for other corporations to download our data from our website, but client can't notice anything" part.

Kevin van der Velden

@JasonBerkan hope you brought a good book!

Jason Berkan

@KevinvanderVelden iPhone to the rescue!

Arperum

3:32 PM

I hate that bit. Since you always have to say: Can't be done.

FEichinger

Any assets you use for the site, stock photos, third-party icons. Heck, depending on how far they take it (if it does get included in the standard), it could also apply to the written word - press releases, company portfolios.

SaintWacko

Morning, Bridge

FEichinger

If suits want their "work" protected - or that you use someone else's licensed work - you'll get the choice to either implement that steaming pile of bullshit or go looking for a new job. I, for one, am not looking forward to that.

Yuki

@SaintWacko Good morning, sir.

Frank

@SaintWacko Good morning.

SaintWacko

3:36 PM

@Yuki I do. Not exactly sure how to use them

FEichinger

We can hope nobody actually gets this protective of their creations, but history proves us wrong. Think patent and copyright law.

SaintWacko

@RedRiderX Attempting to nurse you back to health

RedRiderX

@SaintWacko You have my thanks

Yuki

@SaintWacko I've been using them for Private Dinners.

Since you can't have more than 5 or so Free Evenings and I'm at my max.

Frank

@FEichinger Don't forget that the MPAA and RIAA have historically been incredibly scared of technology and try to kill it every way they can.

5pike

3:39 PM

@Arperum "Oh, but I know someone that can do it."

Yuki

@SaintWacko Just sent a request for a Private Dinner to you.

Arperum

@5pike "I'd love to meet that person. And prove him wrong."

Yuki

@Frank Not to mention they tend to favor corporations rather than the actual content creators they profess to protect. But that's probably not a surprise to anyone.

RedRiderX

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A: The Memes of Arqade and its Chat

Meme: "Good morning, Bridge" Originator: @Frank Cultural Height: Pretty much every morning when @Frank says "Good morning, Bridge" and everybody stars it. Yes, it's really a thing

It seems like it should be in there.

5pike

@RedRiderX approved

Arperum

3:45 PM

@RedRiderX I've been thinking of doing that multiple times, never got to it though.

Lazers

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Q: Can you win ship achievements using the TYPE B layouts?

There are three achievements for each ship; you start with the TYPE A layout, and when you have completed two of the three achievements, you unlock the type TYPE B layout for that ship. If you are trying to get the third ship achievement (just for the sake of completeness), can you use the TYPE ...