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1:00 PM
𐀯𐀶𐀗𐀏
 
Like cuneiform.
 
Can you see that, Cerb?
 
installed the font, still seeing boxes
grrrr
 
@Mahnax That's Mycenaean!
 
@Cerberus What?
 
1:00 PM
@JSBᾶngs You may need a refresh or browser restart.
 
It's from the "Linear B" section.
 
@Mahnax Linear B.
Yes.
 
Ah, okay.
𐀏
LINEAR B SYLLABLE B077 KA
Unicode: U+1000F (U+D800 U+DC0F), UTF-8: F0 90 80 8F
𐠠𐠌𐠀
 
Linear B is the script used by the Mycenaeans.
I think 𐀏 was like ka or something.
Forgot most of it.
 
ok, weird
now i've got the broken code2000 glagolitic characters
 
1:03 PM
2 mins ago, by Mahnax
𐀏
LINEAR B SYLLABLE B077 KA
Unicode: U+1000F (U+D800 U+DC0F), UTF-8: F0 90 80 8F
 
Hmm odd?
Code2000 never helped me to see any of those characters.
@Mahnax Oh it is ka!
Yay.
 
Yeah, very good.
 
I didn't really read your numbers and symbols, but perhaps I registered it subconsciously and it triggered a memory.
 
I might not have to go to school, due to snow.
 
But it resembles the Egyptian hieroglyph for k.
 
1:05 PM
Oh my goodness.
 
So it was relatively easy to remember.
 
Old Persian looks so cool.
 
@Mahnax Yay! Nor not?
@Mahnax Tell @Gigi.
 
𐏉𐏉𐎯𐎲𐎪𐎩𐎡
𐍀𐌰𐌱𐌻𐍉
 
The former is cuneiform.
 
1:06 PM
@Cerberus What?
 
The latter looks like...I don't know, it looks familiar.
 
@Cerberus What is cuneiform?
 
@Mahnax Mesopotamian script.
 
@Cerberus Gothic.
 
@Mahnax Ah yes.
 
1:07 PM
@Cerberus Hm, okay.
 
Do you know why cuneiform is shaped like that (and called like that)?
 
Uh, no?
 
Is that a rhetorical question?
 
The characters are made by stamping reed ends into clay.
The reed ends are shaped like that.
Approximately (it is of course a bit stylised).
 
Interesting.
That's horribly inefficient.
 
1:09 PM
Why?
 
Gotta run, bye!
 
It is probably faster than drawing lines in clay.
@Mahnax Bye!
 
I think I'm going to bed. Good night everyone.
 
Bye!
 
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Q: Grammar: I know right

Melis the expression "I know right" gramatically correct? I hear it alot of times and I think I understand what it means but it just sounds wrong to me.

Rips eyes out.
 
1:16 PM
the asker is a pineapple and doesn't understand what the question means
i 'splained it for him
 
I upvoted.
My point, though, was that if you gonna complain about "grammatically wrong", you better triple-check how to spell "grammatically". Or "wrong", for that matter.
 
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Q: "overly confident" vs "over confident"

MelI hear/read both phrases regularly and they have the same meaning to me. But do they have different meanings? Or is "overly confident" even gramatically correct?

man, mel is just on a tear with the
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 strange, you should have close that!
 
"Gramatically" strikes again.
 
1:22 PM
What does NGram say on the question?
 
pingu in spanish appears to be dubbed. i.... don't understand
 
@Cerb I'm back, and my bus has been cancelled.
My mom may still drive me though, we shall have to see.
 
@Carlo_R As I see it, can and may both express permission, but can is more often used to express possibility while may is used more to express likelihood.
 
@Mahnax To school? I say, skip it!
 
@Cerberus Yeah, but my parents don't see it that way…
 
1:29 PM
@Robusto What's the difference?
 
I can drink a whole bottle of vodka means I have the capability to do so, but may have no inclination of doing so; I may drink a whole bottle of vodka means I am considering doing so.
 
I'll go ask her.
 
Likelihood ~ possibility.
@Mahnax Good idea.
 
It's a squishy distinction, and I wouldn't carry it to six decimal places. But there it is.
 
You mean capability v. general likelihood.
 
1:31 PM
Yes.
 
That is a useful distinction. But not likelihood v. possibility.
 
@Cerberus Yay, no school for Mahnax today!
 
@Mahnax Congrats!!
 
That means my weekend has been extended to five days long.
 
Woohoo!
No school tomorrow?
 
1:32 PM
But I can also ask my wife: "Can I drink this whole bottle of vodka?" or "May I drink this whole bottle of vodka?" The latter is more polite and, hence, somewhat archaic. But both are requests for permission. Except the first may also be interpreted to mean capability.
 
@Cerberus Nope. Not on Monday, either.
 
@Robusto you pussy. if i want to drink a whole bottle of vodka, i ain't asking my wife for permission
 
@Robusto And she will invariably say no.
 
@JSBᾶngs It is a hypothetical. Of course I would never ask my wife such a thing. It is much easier to get forgiveness than permission.
 
@Robusto Then the sentence "they may sign the contract" "they can sign the contract" must be understood by context! right?
 
1:34 PM
@Carlo_R Somewhat. But I think "they may sign the contract" means there is some degree of possibility that they will do so, whereas "they can sign the contract" means they are in a position to do so.
All else being equal.
That is, absent any context that is how I would interpret the two statements.
 
@Robusto The problem is that the two kinds of modality are pretty unfixed.
 
@Robusto :) Thank you. You are so kind.
 
And remember, "context" can involve very subtle nuances.
@Cerberus Yes. But surprisingly, most native speakers sort out the real meaning without help most of the time. Only occasionally is clarification required.
 
And capability (which I would describe as a kind of conditional, intentional probability) is not usually strictly separated from probability.
@Robusto Of course. The problem is one for linguists.
 
The beauty of language is in its ability to communicate imperfect expressions in an imperfect way and yet achieve complete conveyance of information.
 
1:40 PM
@Robusto This is very difficult for NNS
 
@Carlo_R I doubt that. You probably do the same thing in your own language all the time without thinking about it.
 
@Robusto Kind of like using TCP on top of IP.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Yes. And I think I remember Joel On Software discussing that exact idea when talking about leaky abstractions.
 
@Robusto Yes, but it is difficult to me to do in English language
 
1:43 PM
@Carlo_R Of course. But you can do it if you keep working at it. And one day you may.
@RegDwightѬſ道 I think that's the one.
 
@Robusto thanks for the encouragement
Who is he?
 
He is dead.
 
I do not know.
 
He was the & in Starsky & Hutch.
 
He is Ampersand.
 
1:47 PM
His name is Amper Sand. His name is Amper Sand.
 
@RegDwight HaHa! You are mythical
He is Peter Michael Falk (September 16, 1927 – June 23, 2011). He was an American actor, best known for his role as Lt. Frank Columbo in the television series Columbo.
 
Carlo, everybody here knows that.
You keep asking the easiest questions, and then you keep answering them by quoting Wikipedia, and there's no stopping you.
 
He, with Kojac, Cannon, McCloud, is very famous in Italy.
Oh, I forgotten Starski & Huch!
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 I don't know things.
 
@Cerberus No prob.
 
1:51 PM
I know.
 
22 hours ago, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
This is Starsky:
22 hours ago, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
user image
 
Ignorance is bliss.
 
22 hours ago, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
And this is Hutch:
22 hours ago, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
user image
Now you know them.
Problem solved.
 
No problem indeed.
 
Starsky & Hutch morphed into Baldwin & Stiller.
 
1:54 PM
@Robusto Baldwin???
 
Kojac, Cannon, McCloud, Starski & Huch show how Italian culture has been influenced by the American culture. All of them, here, are as icons.
I wonder why you do not know them.
 
Carlo, cut it out already. Everybody but Cerberus knows them here.
 
@Carlo_R Many people don't know much about popular culture, that's why.
You need to watch television and films, otherwise you won't know these things.
We didn't have cable television when I grew up (not that we would have been allowed to watch much if he had had it), so that helped.
 
Helped?
 
I also never watch television or go to Hollywood films.
 
1:57 PM
Does Robert De Niro belong to popular culture?
 
Yes.
 
Oh come on.
 
I don't know what he looks like.
No idea. I only know that he is an actor.
 
If you have not seen De Niro act, you have not lived.
I don't know how you can possibly call that "bliss".
 
I may have, but I would know have known whom I was looking at.
It also doesn't interest me at all, and my memory is generally weak for factoids, so...
hiatus
I wish I could remember more dates and such.
 
1:59 PM
We must be clear. What is "popular culture"?
 
Ah. Another guy who is all into definitions. Have fun with Cerberus.
 
Good question.
I'd say anything that is popular with people across classes in society.
Dutch schlagers, for example, are only popular among the lower classes, so that doesn't count.
 
Good response.
 
That's a very strange definition.
 
And older literature is only popular among educated people.
Why strange?
 
2:02 PM
Certainly the people in higher classes are aware of schlagers.
 
Sure.
 
Just because I can't stand Paris Hilton, doesn't mean she's not popular.
 
But they aren't popular.
So?
 
What, so?
 
What does Hilton do anyway? Does she sing?
I only know that she is a silly nouveau-riche daughter.
 
2:03 PM
You are saying that if someone is popular with 99% but not popular with the 1% remaining, he's not popular at all.
 
Huh?
I didn't say that.
 
I think that PH does other several things
 
2 mins ago, by Cerberus
Dutch schlagers, for example, are only popular among the lower classes, so that doesn't count.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 The top pic isn't a Baldin brother?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 By lower I exclude the middle classes, so maybe 20 % of the people max.
 
2:04 PM
@Robusto I am a sad panda if even you don't get the joke.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Schlager meaning fencing sword?
 
I think German Schlagers are much more popular.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Sorry. I got Jerry Stiller, though. I should get partial credit.
 
Starsky was played by Ben Stiller; Hutch was played by Owen Wilson. The above pictures suggest that Starsky was played by Luke Wilson, and Hutch by Jerry Stiller.
Mar 30 at 19:21, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
Really, are all my jokes so sophisticated they need explained?
 
I suppose a case could be made for including even Dutch schlagers in popular culture.
 
2:06 PM
@Cerberus ah okay.
 
But ideally popular culture is also to some degree popular among the higher classes.
Typically.
 
I'm not sure every German has to have read Brother Grimm for them to be called part of German popular culture.
Most Germans have not so much as held the banknote with their faces in their hands.
 
Perhaps there are broader and narrower definitions possible of "popular culture".
 
Certainly.
We can define anything we like any way we like it.
 
I mean the narrower definition.
 
2:09 PM
A narrow definition of "popular"...
 
It is also implied that it is easy to consume for people.
And fun.
 
Well that's awfully subjective.
 
Sure.
If it isn't something many people would do for relaxed entertainment, it's different.
 
I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be part of popular culture; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it.
 
Right.
It's interesting to think about.
 
2:18 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 Deep.
 
This is how little time it takes to install a skimming device.
 
What is your obsession with skimming devices lately?
They've been part of popular culture for two decades now.
Even that video is OVER 5 years old.
 
I am going to say something seriously. Do you know the css zen garden history?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Reading a website. I think it's interesting.
 
Well yeah, but if you had TV you'd know all that and more by now.
I haven't used an ATM in twelve years.
Gah, now the whole front page is full of @JSB's unreadable boxes.
 
2:30 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 Huh??
Then where do you get your cash?
 
At the bank?
 
What if you need money when the banks are closed, or you don't want to waste time waiting for your number after the silly house wife who needs to have internet banking explained?
 
When the banks are closed, so is pretty much everything else. So I wouldn't be able to spend that money.
Besides, and I know you are not familiar with that word, but: planning.
I don't use ATM machines, I don't have a credit card. If I ever have to use PayPal, it's tied directly to my bank account.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Huh? How about bars, theatres, cinemas, supermarkets...
I suppose you can pay by PIN in the supermarket.
 
@Cerberus if I know I'm going to a theatre, I also know it will cost money.
@Cerberus what did I just say? I don't do that.
It's moronic. And slow.
Everyone behind you is getting pissed off.
 
2:34 PM
So you need to plan getting cash for the theatre days in advance?
 
Let us change the subject. <br /> I have read that no one uses 'shall' in AmE. It's recognizable from the Christian Ten Commandments an legal documents, but no one would naturally use it in speech or writing. <br />Is it true?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 You didn't say that. And it's faster than cash here.
 
@Cerberus it's faster here as well. On paper. But in reality it's a drag.
 
@Carlo_R Not entirely.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Why? The searching for the right coins of both the client and the cashier takes time.
 
@Cerberus :) thanks.
 
2:36 PM
@Cerberus I don't remember the last time I went, "Gosh, I need to go see the Swan Lake in ten minutes".
 
And waiting for the machine to connect to the bank takes maybe ten seconds.
 
@Cerberus not here.
And certainly not for me.
I always have exactly 99 Euro cent with me.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 I'm always in a hurry; but, besides that, banks will be closed when I get home usually.
 
@Cerberus Well you see, that's kind of my point. If you are always in a hurry, you must be lacking planning skills.
 
So I would have to go to a bank days in advance. And not spend it in the meantime. And remember!
 
2:38 PM
And if you are not lacking planning skills, then in fact you can afford to spontaneously go check out the ballet.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 No, I see no point in planning when there is no need. It takes time and effort.
 
@Cerberus the need is obvious from what you say.
 
What need?
I just go to an ATM like everybody else.
 
Oh please. Try to keep at least your last message in mind. Or just go and read it again.
 
So, wait, you also don't pay by PIN in shops?
 
2:39 PM
@Cerberus I don't know my PIN.
 
So you always need to have lots of cash in your wallet?
@RegDwightѬſ道 Wow.
 
Why lots?
 
Well, you need to plan days in advance...
How often do you go to the bank?
 
I dunno what stuff costs in Cheeseland, but here my Großeinkauf costs me like 50 Euro at most.
 
And how long does it take, including travel?
 
2:40 PM
Usually more like 30.
@Cerberus that question is irrelevant, as it takes you the same amount of time to go to the ATM.
I just don't stop at the ATM but head straight to the teller.
 
Anybody have any idea why my CPU usage is 100% all the time?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Is that so? Then how long does it take you?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 There are many more ATMs at places where there is no bank.
@KitFox Which process is causing it?
 
@Cerberus actually I'm not sure that is true.
 
2:42 PM
And going inside a bank usually takes much more time than pulling it out of an ATM, at least here.
 
@Cerberus I don't know.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 There are here.
 
I'm trying to remember an ATM that wasn't in a bank building, and I'm failing.
 
Perhaps sauerkrautland is different...
 
Yeah, we've go them all over here.
I have one in my kitchen.
 
2:43 PM
By the way, can you get money from a bank that is not your own?
 
I'll try to get yours first thing in the morning.
 
?
So do you know other who don't pay with PIN in shops, and who don't use ATMs? Is it more common in Germany?
 
No idea. To answer that I'd also have to know people from your country.
But one thing is for sure, Germans don't like credit cards.
That's a known factoid.
Everybody pays by bank transfer here.
 
Oh, we don't use CCs either here.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Oh, that explains a lot about my former boss.
 
2:46 PM
I use mine maybe once or twice a year.
That is, I do use it on the internet sometimes.
@RegDwightѬſ道 So do you know other people who x?
 
@KitFox well having credit card companies amounts to putting a 3% tax on everything, except that it doesn't go to the state but ends up in the pockets of a few managers.
@Cerberus obviously I see many people who ¬x, otherwise I wouldn't be able to tell you with such confidence how much of a drag they are in supermarkets.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 I rather meant and. We also have people who always pay cash in supermarkets, although younger people will often pay by PIN.
But everyone uses ATMs.
 
Which is why you get skimmers.
 
Sure.
But it's worth it.
 
I think they've been having amazing growth rates of 100+% here, for several years straight.
 
2:51 PM
Skimmers make about € 1 per person per year in the EU.
 
That's 500 million.
 
That was the last statistic I read.
Yes.
It may be a bit more in 2011.
 
Nothing is worth 500 million. Least of all if it's illegal.
 
I will gladly pay € 1 to have ATMs.
 
Except that that's what you are already paying.
When they actually hit you, it'll be a couple thousand.
 
2:52 PM
Yup.
 
Have fun!
 
Nah, the bank reimburses skimming.
So the costs are spread out over society.
 
As I said, have fun negotiating that.
 
Negotiating?
 
Well you don't get to just walk into a bank and say, I lost 2000 Euro, and they give it back to you.
If it were that easy, skimmers would do that instead.
 
2:54 PM
It sort of works like that.
If the bank can find nothing suspicious against you, they will reimburse.
 
Except it's their freaking job to try and find any reason to not reimburse.
 
And nearly always the bank will be able to see a pattern, several unconnected people asking for reimbursement who have used the same ATM.
 
They have shareholders, you know.
 
They always pay up here.
 
So the bottom line is, everyone is stupid enough to pay a buck so some clever assholes get millions.
 
2:56 PM
Reimbursing people is way cheaper for the bank than making people afraid of ATMs and having them all go to the bank every day.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Except for the stupid part, yes.
 
Well how it is not stupid to pay a buck to gangsters?
They don't even offer you anything in return.
 
If you never use cars or bicycles or roads, you are unlikely to die in a traffic accident. But the risk and the cost to society is worth it.
 
They just take the money.
 
It is not stupid because you get to use ATMs in return.
Which alone saves much more money than you are losing to skimmers; add to that the convenience to clients.
 
@Cerberus the roads are useful to me at least in theory, even if I never leave the building. The gangsters are of no use whatsoever, not even theoretical.
 
2:58 PM
Road ~ ATM; accident ~ skimming.
 
Ah okay.
Well this is fun and all but I have to wrap things up here and rush home. You know, to buy food for the holidays.
 
And the difference is that, with roads, everybody would get a tiny scratch every time a car ran over someone, if it were the same as skimming, because banks reimburse people. So it is like a national insurance.
 

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