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It's not like there was just that time his mom and dad went to the hospital. I'm sure there was build up with mom being pregnant and getting ready, and other times that other siblings joined the family.

Mahnax

Yeah, of course.

Cerberus

Yeah.

KitFox

So there would be more feeling of loss than for a pet, I think.

Mahnax

12:47 AM

I feel bad for it, but when my grandfather died, I didn't really cry much at all.

Cerberus

Hmm.

Mahnax

I barely knew him, but it was hard for my dad.

KitFox

Well, you shouldn't feel bad for that.

Cerberus

Yeah it's pretty normal.

Mahnax

I suppose.

KitFox

12:48 AM

When someone dies, we don't cry because they are dead. We cry because of the loss of that relationship.

If you didn't have a relationship, there's not much to cry about.

Cerberus

I also cry for the people who have lost their loves ones.

Mahnax

Or in my case with Jeremy (would-have-been brother), I cried because of the relationship that could have been.

Cerberus

I can't stand seeing my friend cry over her mother, for example.

KitFox

And I think it is good that you recognize that it was hard for your dad, but that doesn't mean it should be hard for you.

Cerberus

@Mahnax Understandable.

KitFox

12:49 AM

@Mahnax Yes, naturally. You had a whole idea of what should have been, and you lost that. It's sad.

Mahnax

@KitFox Yep. I do have two more brothers since then!

Cerberus

And a baby feels more like an innocent, helpless creature.

Mahnax

Wait, no.

does calculations

I would have been six, not seven.

Cerberus

I wish I had kittens.

KitFox

I grew up with a woman whose first child died in utero. She still went through labor, but she refused to name the baby. I thought that was very sad.

Mahnax

12:51 AM

@Cerberus His entire hand fit on my mom's fingernail.

He was very early.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

That is small.

KitFox

@Mahnax Oh, so young! That's a hard age for separation. Was it your first experience with death?

Mahnax

@KitFox Uh, no.

Cerberus

@KitFox I don't know, would you still name the baby?

KitFox

@Cerberus I would. She was nearly to term.

Cerberus

12:52 AM

Hmm.

I don't know what I would do.

Mahnax

My parents have picked out names well in advance.

Cerberus

But now I'm going to bed.

Good night!

KitFox

Good night! Dream of rainbows and lovely things!

Mahnax

They chose a female set (first and middle) and a male set.

Night, Cerb!

KitFox

Goodness. Are they still going?

Cerberus

12:53 AM

I will, bye!

Mahnax

Nope.

You see, daddy had an operation…

KitFox

Haha.

Mahnax

Not kidding, either.

KitFox

My husband is having that operation in a few months.

Mahnax

My mom makes jokes about him being "snipped".

KitFox

12:54 AM

Yeah. That'll happen.

He's a gelding now.

Mahnax

Heh.

KitFox

Although he'd probably be less than pleased if you called him that.

Mahnax

Haha, no doubt!

KitFox

What is not hard, crunchy, or sticky that I can have for a snack?

Cheese maybe?

Pepperoni?

Mahnax

Cheese and wine.

KitFox

12:56 AM

Not hard or crunchy. Do you think they are sticky?

Mahnax

Cheese?

I don't think cheese is sticky. Wine might be if you spill it.

KitFox

So cheese is probably OK. Wine, not so much.

Mahnax

Why, is it for the kids?

KitFox

No, me.

Mahnax

Ah, okay.

KitFox

12:58 AM

I had dental work done today, and I am not allowed to eat anything hard, crunchy, or sticky.

Mahnax

Ah, that's too bad.

KitFox

Especially since I usually snack on crackers at night.

Mahnax

Hm, cookies aren't hard if they're done right, or the not-hard type.

Some cookies are supposed to be hard, of course.

KitFox

I think they might be sticky though.

Mahnax

I don't think so, but maybe some.

KitFox

1:00 AM

Soda is probably sticky too.

Mahnax

Well, chocolate chips can get sticky.

KitFox

Oatmeal cookies might be OK.

Mahnax

Ooh, yum.

KitFox

If they aren't crunchy...

Mahnax

I love oatmeal cookies.

Soft, chewy delight.

KitFox

1:00 AM

They are my favorite too!

Mahnax

I haven't made them in a while.

KitFox

Hmm.

Mahnax

I shall bake tomorrow night, I think!

KitFox

thinks about ingredients

looks at clock

@Mahnax That is a great idea!

Mahnax

Might be too late.

KitFox

1:02 AM

It's too late tonight.

Hey, weren't you going cycling?

Sorry I told such a wicked bummer of a story.

Mahnax

Yes, I'm just awaiting a text back from a possible co-cyclist.

KitFox

A love interest?

Mahnax

It may not come, so I'll leave in a few minutes.

Nah, just a friend.

KitFox

Lab buddy?

Did you hand in your report?

Mahnax

Yes, both reports are in.

KitFox

1:03 AM

Nice.

Mahnax

It feels as though a great weight has been lifted.

That, and I finished Jane Eyre.

I am not into romance novels.

KitFox

You poor thing.

Mahnax

Ha, why?

KitFox

Pride and Prejudice is so much better.

Both of those are miles better than any awful Harlequin romance novel though.

Do you know about the Bronte sisters?

Mahnax

Yes.

KitFox

1:06 AM

Well, they had a little brother too.

Mahnax

Brontë, I believe.

@KitFox Oh?

KitFox

Yep.

Patrick. He was also a writer, although not as famous.

Mahnax

Apparently the sisters weren't really that famous until most of them died.

KitFox

Duh, not Patrick. That was the father. Branwell was the son.

Mahnax

Bran + well = lie.

Je ne l'aime pas.

KitFox

1:08 AM

I don't get it.

Mahnax

Ah, never mind.

KitFox

The four siblings used to make up stories together.

Mahnax

It's a bad way to convey ideas anyways.

@KitFox I see.

Oh my, it's past seven.

KitFox

Bye!

Mahnax

Yes, bye!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

1:29 AM

good evening

KitFox

Holla.

I am trying to figure out if i should continue watching this movie.

it doesn't seem very good.

Can drinking silver nitrate really turn you blue?

KitFox

1:48 AM

> Mr. Karason may be entitled to his "beliefs," but he is not entitled to his own facts. He may "believe" that the colloidal silver didn't turn his skin that shade of grayish-blue, but it's quite clear that it did and that his skin will continue to get bluer and bluer as long as he keeps using his favored remedy. Denying it won't change it, nor will undergoing chelation therapy, as one of the more breathtakingly idiotic commenters after the story suggested.

Mahnax

is back

Whew, that was nice.

A bit too windy, though.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox According to Wikipedia, yes.

user19161

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writing

user19161

Amazing question.

Mahnax

Certe.

KitFox

2:04 AM

> NOT nanoparticles, NOT Chemical Colloids, ONLY Pure Silver Atoms in Distilled Water.

Why does this person think silver atoms in water makes?

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Well, this looks legit, so I figure Wikipedia must be in bed with Big Pharma too.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox everyone is in bed with big pharma

Mahnax

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Speak for yourself, eh?

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Wrong, they are in bed with big pyjama

KitFox

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Really? I'm in the upper left corner near the headboard. Where are you?

user19161

@KitFox I like to be in the centre.

user19161

2:10 AM

That way I will not roll off accidentally.

user19161

One must make sure there is enough room to roll left once and also roll right once.

user19161

Rolling twice to either side is dangerous, don't try it!

KitFox

That's why I prefer sleeping on the floor.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I can sleep anywhere but my eyes need to be in the middle because they roll a LOT

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 They only roll in this room so they are safe.

JSBᾶngs

2:24 AM

i just noticed that skeptics.se is out of beta

and i actually visited

and i didn't burst into flames!

user19161

@JSBᾶngs I thought it would die out.

KitFox

I was just thinking of you and Skeptics.

user19161

Also for some reason my browser cannot display jsbangs properly now on the main site.

JSBᾶngs

@WillHunting i changed my name

KitFox

2 hours ago, by KitFox

Jun 27 '11 at 19:09, by JSBangs

Is copper really better than aluminum better for protecting my brain from harmful mind-control rays?

JSBᾶngs

2:25 AM

now it has glagolitic. your font may not be l33t enough to display it

user19161

@JSBᾶngs Now it displays as JSBⰀⰐⰃⰔ.

KitFox

But don't read the rest of the recent conversation. It's a real downer.

JSBᾶngs

@WillHunting what you just typed displays correctly on my screen

user19161

@JSBᾶngs It does not here, I just copied and pasted.

KitFox

Rats. I must be missing a font set.

How do I fix that?

JSBᾶngs

2:26 AM

Cerb always recommends installing Code2000

user19161

@KitFox I thought people on Windows I assume would have no problem.

JSBᾶngs

btw, did you listen to the video i posted earlier?

KitFox

@JSBᾶngs Is that what you would recommend?

@JSBᾶngs Oh, I forgot. Let me do so now.

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox i dunno. i never used it myself

@KitFox i don't know if it's really your kind of thing but, man, arvo part can reduce me to rubble in seconds

KitFox

Is he singing a liturgy or something?

JSBᾶngs

2:29 AM

he's the composer, not the singer

user19161

I am listening to it now. The bass is very low.

KitFox

Does that make sense? Sing a liturgy? A liturgy is a whole service, isn't it?

JSBᾶngs

he mostly writes adaptations of sacred music

KitFox

That's was I was getting at.

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox then yes

KitFox

2:30 AM

Or whether he was just writing in Latin.

user19161

@JSBᾶngs Do you have any idea what I should install on Debian? I know you use Debian too.

JSBᾶngs

sometimes i just assume everyone can read latin

@WillHunting isn't there a code2000 package on debian?

KitFox

I can read a little.

JSBᾶngs

yeah, i can't read a lot either, but it's enough to recognize the psalm they're singing

KitFox

I figured there was some "Deus" and "dominems" so I figured. You know.

Also Latin.

Wow. I am expressing myself exceptionally well right now.

I do like it and I shall listen more on Friday. I suppose that would be an appropriate day for it anyway.

Do you have Seder?

Hold a seder?

JSBᾶngs

2:34 AM

do you mean Maundy Thursday?

seder is jewish

KitFox

Whatever it is appropriate to do for (a) Seder.

@JSBᾶngs Ah, I see.

I don't know what Maundy Thursday is.

user19161

Soon one would need to install every font in the world just to come to ELU.

KitFox

I thought the Last Supper was a seder.

JSBᾶngs

Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, Holy Saturday, Easter Sunday

Maundy Thursday is the celebration of the last supper, so yes

user19161

So it is Maundy Thu here now!

KitFox

2:35 AM

No, no, it's Maundy, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday...

user19161

Oh Mandy...

KitFox

No!

Too late.

user19161

That song is always sung on Idol.

KitFox

So what does "Maundy" mean?

JSBᾶngs

comes from latin mandatus

meaning commandment, as in "do this in remembrance of me"

user19161

2:37 AM

Like mandatory.

JSBᾶngs

oh, this is a good one. nice video, too.

►

KitFox

Oh. Better than "maudlin," which stuck in my head and wouldn't dislodge.

So if your seder-type celebration is on Thursday, what do you do on Friday?

user19161

@KitFox You do Good.

user19161

MrS is rolling eyes now.

JSBᾶngs

so, actually i don't get to go to a maundy thursday service this year, mostly b/c the parish i'm at is too small. but i'll be at the good friday service, for something called vespers of the unnailing

maundy thursday is focused on communion, good friday on crucifixion

KitFox

2:40 AM

Oh, I see. That makes sense.

And on the third day, he is risen.

user19161

Sun must be focused on the resurrection then.

user19161

What about Sat?

JSBᾶngs

correct. though actually the easter service starts late saturday night, and ends after midnight, very early on sunday morning

in the orthodox church, at least. your average lutheran/catholic/anglican does it differently

and the protestants do pretty much whatever the hell they want

user19161

Yeah, like partying.

JSBᾶngs

wooo

KitFox

2:42 AM

I thought my Christian friends did their seder-like celebration on Good Friday. I found that a bit confusing, inasmuch as I can do math.

user19161

I am going to my friend's church for a play tonight.

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox what denom?

KitFox

Actually, I find the timeline all a bit confusing.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

actually i'm reading HP:MoR now

KitFox

@JSBᾶngs Let's see. One set would have been Methodists, the other Southern Baptists.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 And the third. I don't have any idea what she was.

JSBᾶngs

2:44 AM

@KitFox hint: the resurrection is on the third day, not after three days. friday is day 1, saturday day 2, and sunday day 3. (this confused me for a long time, too, since people often say the formula wrong.)

KitFox

She told me one time, but I don't remember, except that she was Christian but also observed Jewish traditions.

@JSBᾶngs Right, but wasn't there a whole long time of suffering?

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox she could be a messianic jew (an observant jew who converted to christianity but still observes jewish customs), or just a semitophilic christian. i've mingled with quite a few of the latter

@KitFox the whole ordeal began thursday night, technically.

user19161

@KitFox Maybe that was all on Fri. A day is long enough when you are nailed.

KitFox

So he was caught Thursday night, nailed up on Friday, died on Saturday, and rose on Sunday?

JSBᾶngs

thurs evening: last supper. thurs night: prayer in garden, arrest. trial held overnight. condemned to death on Fri morning, crucified around noon. dead in the afternoon, and buried before sundown.

KitFox

2:47 AM

@JSBᾶngs Probably the latter, but she was a bit of a fruit bat unfortunately.

JSBᾶngs

dead all day saturday. alive again sometime sunday morning before sunup.

@KitFox they usually are.

KitFox

But didn't he have some long conversations while nailed up?

user19161

He said Eli Eli lamach sabachtani or something like that.

JSBᾶngs

@KitFox how long does a conversation last? the ones that are recorded are like 3 lines