TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2018-01-17

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egreg

00:02

@DavidCarlisle That's the kind of machines you can work on.

David Carlisle

@egreg you're the msdos expert

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Sorry, I only used PCOS on that kind of machines.

L'Olivetti M20 è un personal computer sviluppato nell'Olivetti Advanced Technology Center di Cupertino da Olivetti e presentato al pubblico nel 1982. Studiato per attirare i potenziali acquirenti del PC IBM, risultava incompatibile con quest'ultimo a causa del sistema operativo, il PCOS, interamente sviluppato da Olivetti e dalla scelta di un microprocessore potente ma poco diffuso, lo Zilog Z8001. Per questo motivo, questo modello fu soppiantato in favore dell'M24, il quale era compatibile con il PC IBM. Una scheda di espansione (detta Alternate Processor Board) permetteva di utilizzare un...

A couple of years later I found a Macintosh Plus. :-)

David Carlisle

00:18

@egreg all downhill since then

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marmot

01:30

@DavidCarlisle I do not completely agree. These old machines were so large that we had trouble fitting them into our burrows. And they were not water resistant enough to be suitable for ducks. ;-)

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cfr

02:09

Mae Cymro'n well? (Neu Chymraes.)

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David Carlisle

08:00

@cfr Ond ni all unrhyw ddyn guro google cyfieithu

egreg

08:18

@DavidCarlisle Shouldn't it be “gwgyl”?

Paulo Cereda

08:43

@marmot ooh water-proof computer systems

Sebastiano

08:57

@egreg, @DavidCarlisle, @CarLaTeX, @ChristianHupfer Good morning

Good morning to everybody.

@CarLaTeX I have delete my answer correctly. My English is very ugly. Many times I have not undestood the question and I have seen only your picture. sorry

David Carlisle

@egreg I trust my sources to translate "google" particularly accurately.

CarLaTeX

09:13

@Sebastiano Don't worry, the question was not very clear, ciao!

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Paulo Cereda

11:01

Terribly sick today... :(

Paulo Cereda

11:20

I can take my @guitexorg friends for pizza during #TUG2018! :)

Tweeted by paulocereda on January 17, 2018 at 11:18 AM

@DavidCarlisle, @egreg ^^

Skillmon

@PauloCereda Get well soon!

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon Thank yout <3

CarLaTeX

11:44

@PauloCereda Oooh poor! Take care of yourself!

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX Thanks. <3

Ulrike Fischer

11:59

@DavidCarlisle @egreg it has been announced on c.t.t. 5 days ago that the dante server will have to reboot last night a few times and services will be down.

@PauloCereda Get well soon!

egreg

@UlrikeFischer Yes, now I remember. :-)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda have some nice warming duck soup, that will make you feel better.

Ulrike Fischer

12:30

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@PauloCereda ^^^^^

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer Thank you <3

@DavidCarlisle soup for ducks, right? :)

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@UlrikeFischer awww <3

Paulo Cereda

13:13

I can only eat mashed potatoes...

Ulrike Fischer

13:26

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@PauloCereda ^^^^

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer oooh

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Harald Hanche-Olsen

14:35

It's a funny feeling, searching in the main site and finding the solution to my problem in an answer I posted myself, over seven years ago …

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David Carlisle

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Oct 17 at 6:51, by David Carlisle

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Oct 11 at 16:46, by David Carlisle

Sep 10 at 12:03, by David Carlisle

@HaraldHanche-Olsen do you ever get a feeling of déjà vu in this chat room?

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@DavidCarlisle Yup, it still happens.

Phelype Oleinik

14:58

Get well soon @PauloCereda

Paulo Cereda

15:17

@PhelypeOleinik Thank you!

barbara beeton

15:37

@PauloCereda -- do get well soon. (the flu has hit this rehab facility, and everyone is limited to their own room and (for those not having flu symptoms) the rehab room. and it's snowing again; more than an inch already, possibly almost two, but a little hard to tell from inside.)

Paulo Cereda

@barbarabeeton Thank you, Barbara! <3 São Paulo is now in an emergency state due to yellow flu, I am hoping the health agencies act accordingly to reduce the impact. I took a yellow flu vaccine before my trip to Portugal, so it's still valid to date. It would be terrible if the desease spreads...

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Sounds bad

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Terrible. And it can spread to neighbour states as well, including Rio.

marmot

@PauloCereda Get better soon!

Paulo Cereda

@marmot Thank you, mr. marmot!

egreg

15:44

@PauloCereda Is vaccination required for traveling to Brazil?

barbara beeton

@PauloCereda -- there are signs up in several places here announcing a similar state of emergency. but the way they're phrased, it sounds like the department of health has actually caused the flu, not just made the announcement. they need an editor!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Good question, I don't think it is, but I will confirm.

marmot

@PauloCereda I hope that yellow ducks are not especially susceptible to yellow fever!

Joseph Wright

@egreg fitfortravel.nhs.uk/destinations/south-america--antarctica/…

Paulo Cereda

@barbarabeeton It could be a hacker mosquito. :) On a serious note, I don't believe the situation is quite bad as the media makes it sound around here, but what worries me is that our health system is not in good shape to attend so much occurrences.

egreg

15:46

@JosephWright Thanks

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright It also depends where you go. For instance, I went to Mato Grosso do Sul, I simply had to take a shot.

@marmot ooh that's true! For a yellow duck, the fever is always yellow!

Marmots are clever!

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda NHS say 'consider' for yellow fever immunization

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright It's a good advice indeed. There's been a shortage of yellow fever vaccines in SP. They were promised a million doses soon.

marmot

@PauloCereda No, seriously, try to see some doctor if it is something really concerning! (Or a ducktor ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@marmot Sure thing! Thanks!

yo'

16:15

@PauloCereda yellow fever is cetainly on my list of vaccines before the journey to TUG

Paulo Cereda

@yo' phew!

Joseph Wright

16:33

@yo' Looks that way

cfr

17:06

@DavidCarlisle But not any man strikes Google translate?

@egreg Gwgl is the official spelling.

egreg

@cfr I didn't go too far. ;-)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

17:49

TeX hyphenates submanifold as sub-man-i-fold. The hyphen between n and i looks wrong to me. Perhaps it's the resemblance of the part “subman-” to the derogatory “subhuman” that bothers me.

@barbarabeeton ↑↑ Doesn't the AMS maintain a list of mathematical terms that TeX hyphenates wrong?

Christian Hupfer

Is it only on my monitor or does the green of accepted answers have turned into something .... ugly?

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Phelype Oleinik

@ChristianHupfer Mine too U_U

Christian Hupfer

@PhelypeOleinik Ah, at least it's not only in my brain ;-) Everything else seems to be as usual

barbara beeton

@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- ams doesn't maintain the list, barbara beeton does, for tug. i can't check that here; i need to access a (printed) unabridged dictionary. however, i suspect that this would be a technically acceptable hyphenation, but could be modified by you if you find it objectionable. (i think it's not the best either, but that's subjective.) omitting the hyphen between "n-i" in a \hyphenation{...} declaration shouldn't have too much negative effect on your output. (send me mail, please.)

Alan Munn

@HaraldHanche-Olsen @barbarabeeton would certainly know more about this. Morphologically, (or at least etymologically) hyphenating before the "i" would definitely be wrong, but I don't know what the relative weight of syllable based vs morpheme based rules for hyphenation is.

Paulo Cereda

18:00

Isn't Manny the elephant mammoth guy from the Ice Age?

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Yes, i.e. the Han Solo of Ice Age ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer ooh

Was (Not Was) - Walk The Dinosaur (HD 16:9)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Ah, a documentary about the period when dinosaurs and humans were on Earth at the same time ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer and they all danced funky songs in peace. :)

barbara beeton

@AlanMunn -- u.s. hyphenation is syllabic, often not morphologic. which is why i defer to webster's 3rd international. (even though i (only very, very) occasionally disagree and decree something different.)

Christian Hupfer

18:06

@PauloCereda You posted worse videos in the past :-P

Alan Munn

@barbarabeeton Ok. So then hyphenating at the "i" is obviously a possible place.

Paulo Cereda

Schnappi Das Kleine Krokodil

<3

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda No more cookies for you ...

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer oh no

@ChristianHupfer In other news, but still related, have you seen this? youtube.com/watch?v=tkh1AZRpbCU Schnappi going metal. :)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@barbarabeeton I already did the \hypenation thing, so no problem for me. I can't find your email anywhere, unless it's okay to use the tugboat one.

Christian Hupfer

18:08

@PauloCereda Where's the Youtube GEMA ban when you need it :-(

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer ooh I forgot about GEMA! They saved Marco Daniel in the past. :)

Sep 17 '16 at 13:07, by Johannes_B

@Alenanno I am never sure if GEMA is blocking me from stuff i want to see, or GEMA is preventing me from @Paulo.

@ChristianHupfer ^^ :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Violation of the Geneva Convention of Human Rights....

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer oh no

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barbara beeton

19:35

@AlanMunn -- i'm pretty sure that "mani-fold" is good. (it's certainly both syllabic and etymological.) i'm sufficiently unsure about "man-i..." that i really need to check the printed unabridged dictionary that is the authority stated for the tugboat list. (oh, it's a drag being incarcerated!)

@HaraldHanche-Olsen -- yup, it's okay to use the tugboat one. (i'll respond from my "usual" address.) if you don't send mail, i'll probably forget, which is why i asked.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@barbarabeeton Mail sent.

Dr. Manuel Kuehner

20:25

@UlrikeFischer Hello Ulrike, are you online? I may want to buy your LaTeX support.

Ulrike Fischer

@Dr.ManuelKuehner I'm online but not the whole day currently.

Dr. Manuel Kuehner

@UlrikeFischer Ok, I just write you an email then. Thanks for replying.

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samcarter

21:44

Anybody around with a spare close vote for tex.stackexchange.com/q/387696/36296? Without knowing the bibliography style (or at least the bib engine) it does not really make sense to guess an answer.

@ChristianHupfer It's not your monitor. There had been some post that colours of the headline etc. have been tuned down, maybe the green got altered too.

barbara beeton

@samcarter -- done

samcarter

@barbarabeeton Thanks!

yo'

22:06

goodness, what happens in Czech pre-election times.

barbara beeton

22:41

@yo' -- good luck to you all.

yo'

@barbarabeeton thanks. You wouldn't believe that a candidate is unacceptable to (certain) Christians because there are rumours (fake news, IMHO) that he's a member of Freemasonry. Welcome in the 21st century :-(

barbara beeton

@yo' -- maybe it's just the tradition i grew up in, but the masons were honored members of the congregation, and actively participated in the service in their regalia on one sunday a year. and one of my cousins is both a clergyman and a mason. so it's not all christians.

yo'

@barbarabeeton I mention certain. It's all basically a hateful thing against him, and picking the E string (E as emotions)

anyway, time to catch some sleep. This time is difficult on mental health, so I should rest a bit.

barbara beeton

@yo' -- true enough. i just wish all followers of the bible read it a little more closely and practiced the commandments. sleep well.

yo'

23:05

@barbarabeeton oh well, even the Jesus' double commandment (r how you call it) would quite do it!

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