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1:00 AM
Why oh why does \def\SubentryB##1{\SubentryS { #1 #2 \href{http://a.beautiful.url/?q=\percentifier{##1}}{test-lin‌​k} } not work? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/395241/…
6:36 AM
@VincentMiaEdieVerheyen why did you accept an answer if you still wanted answers, most of us don't look again at questions once they are marked as answered on the home page
@VincentMiaEdieVerheyen that would define SubentryB to have one argument but all the other variants of wipet's code that you have posted define it to have two. don't you want \def\SubentryB##1##2{\SubentryS { ##1 ##2 \href{http://a.beautiful.url/?q=\percentifier{#1}}{test-link} } \futurelet\next\SubentryA} but hard to guess really what you want, I can't see why you need nested definitions at all.
6:55 AM
@DavidCarlisle That worked thanks! a lot
@DavidCarlisle Would you perhaps like to post a comment at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/395241/… ?
or an answer?
then I can upvote / accept
@DavidCarlisle I thought I need nested definitions because I have to reuse the argument of the previous command (that's why I made that previous command into an environment, and then I found out the second argument needs to be put inside that environment) ...
@ It all started from this question tex.stackexchange.com/questions/394981/… and people started saying I should change the first command into an environment instead, which is what I did ...
7:50 AM
@DavidCarlisle I have added your solution in a comment to another answer, with a link to this message in the chat. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/395241/… I have also simplified the OP ... sorry for the mess.
8:01 AM
@VincentMiaEdieVerheyen as I just put in my answer to your last question, I think the document markup that you are aiming for with an arbitrary length list {a}{b}{... evaluated in pairs is simply wrong, you can do it but the code as you see is complicated and the resulting document will be confusing.
8:18 AM
The new top bar layout looks a bit hellish.
And quite fitting imgur doesn't work ;-(
Problems with Imgur, it seems
@egreg Yes.
@egreg Do you also have this dark red on black?
@UlrikeFischer Yes, I was going to post about it, but saw that Werner already did it.
@DavidCarlisle So you don't like to use/see LaTeX as a typical coding language?
8:40 AM
@VincentMiaEdieVerheyen yes but in most coding languages you can not change user-syntax on the fly, with latex you can but that does not mean it's a good idea. latex lists are , separated and {} are mandatory fixed arguments [] are optional arguments.
9:23 AM
@PauloCereda Hi Paulo! Are you well?
@CarLaTeX Hi! Still ill, but recovering. :)
@PauloCereda Take care of yourself!
@CarLaTeX Thank you! <3
arara 3.0a in TL!
@DavidCarlisle How can I learn what I need to learn so that I don't mess up syntax all the time? The experienced users on these site know these "basics" and I have no clue.
Hi! i just try to upload image in my answer tex.stackexchange.com/questions/395589/… however, image is not visible. shown is only a link, which is broken. is this temporary problem or it is some new features coming with new site design (which also make me troubles, i need more time to learn it :-( )
9:53 AM
A: The rhyme and reason of function argument syntax (brackets versus braces)

David CarlisleReally a postscript to @Yiannis answer but the rule about the [] arguments being optional isn't unwritten it is explicit in the LaTeX Book that that is the LaTeX syntax. Using the primitive \def facilities it is possible to define commands with essentially arbitrary syntax but commands defined i...

@Zarko network wide image problems this morning
ok, this means i need to wait a while ...
@Zarko you could eat Pringles. :)
@PauloCereda 3.0a a small step towards 4 in the same way that 2e is a small step towards 3 ? So we can expect to see arara 4 in about 2042?
@DavidCarlisle I like this projection. :)
@PauloCereda you might have finished your thesis by then as well.
9:57 AM
@DavidCarlisle That's the plan!
@PauloCereda, what is "pringles"? my dictionary haven't this word ...
@Zarko oh no
@PauloCereda, so i decided to eat one apple, my favorite fruits. and then back to my work. i will look to site after lunch :-)
@Zarko ooh apples :)
We ducks like fruit
@PauloCereda I hear oranges and duck go well together
10:04 AM
@DavidCarlisle you are mean
Jun 29 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
@DavidCarlisle oh
10:57 AM
stackexchange has gone blue again
@DavidCarlisle Allez les Bleus?
@PauloCereda Não me confunda com essas línguas estrangeiras.
@DavidCarlisle oh
@PauloCereda so, how was my Portuguese?
@DavidCarlisle pretty good!
11:05 AM
@PauloCereda as expected!
Imgur is serving images to Math.SE, but not to us.
What has Math ever done for us?
@PauloCereda roads, viaducts, .... oh no wrong sketch
11:43 AM
@DavidCarlisle :)
12:29 PM
@DavidCarlisle You forgot the right temperature for roasted duck ;)
@TeXnician oh no
@PauloCereda Pineapple pizza?
@TeXnician oh
@TeXnician That's more a question of chemistry and taste. Mathematics can say something about cooking time, though.
1 hour later…
1:55 PM
@mickep -- a couple of months ago, you posted some comments suggesting improvements to the "short math guide", and asked if you should send mail with additional suggestions. i think i didn't answer at the time, but am actively working on that now, so if you have more comments (and haven't forgotten them), please do.
2 hours later…
3:28 PM
A quick question: I flagged this answer, because Werner's comment from years ago still applies (content is fully covered by another answer there). Now the reviewers completed with "Looks OK". Is our usual strategy to keep duplicate answers?
@Kurt @StefanPinnow ^^
3:41 PM
@TeXnician I've zapped it
@JosephWright Ah okay, so the answer seems no?!
@TeXnician Broadly the aim is to keep the 'noise' for people looking for info to a minimum: I really don't see the extra answer helps here
4:02 PM
@JosephWright if only encoding specific characters were safe in an edef...
A: TeX capacity exceeded Error

David CarlisleIt's a bug in the class file, add a fix immediately after the documentclass line, so it looks like: \documentclass{prace} \makeatletter \long\def\authorfootnote{% \def\thefootnote{\fnsymbol{footnote}}% \csname c@\@mpfn\endcsname 1\relax% \protected@xdef\@thefnmark{\thempfn}%this was ...

@DavidCarlisle :)
@JosephWright sorry I'm going to miss the start of the call tomorrow, "lunch break" is a flexible concept around here
@DavidCarlisle Understood
@DavidCarlisle I have to get back from a teaching event for the start, so that might be tight anyway (I'm teaching straight after too, so it has to be no more than about 50 minutes for me)
4:33 PM
@DavidCarlisle ooh it means you can eat anything you want? :)
@PauloCereda That's se(a/e)food diet: "Whenever I see food, I must eat it" ;)
@TeXnician ooh :)
@PauloCereda er given that I make it and bring it in, then yes.
@DavidCarlisle oh
@PauloCereda This for example
Aug 4 at 19:37, by David Carlisle
@PauloCereda @JosephWright anyone feeling hungry?
4:44 PM
@DavidCarlisle you are mean
Jun 29 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
@DavidCarlisle oh
Sep 10 at 12:03, by David Carlisle
@HaraldHanche-Olsen do you ever get a feeling of déjà vu in this chat room?
@DavidCarlisle oh
5:12 PM
@DavidCarlisle Are you in Italy?
@barbarabeeton I cannot find any unsent comments, so either 1) I did not have any further comments or 2) I lost them.
5:32 PM
@CarLaTeX If I was in Italy there would be no chance of making a 1 O'clock meeting.
Hi TeX friends, I'm using the koma-script scrartcl class and need to reduce the spacing after \maketitle... any quick tricks to do this?
@DavidCarlisle Ma chè!
5:44 PM
@mickep -- thanks for checking. i'll go with what i've got then.
@barbarabeeton: Quack!
@PauloCereda -- quack back.
@barbarabeeton Don't hesitate to ping me if you have a revised edition to read.
@mickep -- i'll be sure to do that. right now, i'm fighting with the results of years of neglect, and the inability to ask the author about some particularly abstruse definitions. (it was originally written as a dual tex/pdf:html document. can't cope with the latter at this point; just trying to make the tex version correct under current conditions
@DavidCarlisle All the time. I assume you have dedicated a key on your keyboard to make it happen?
5:53 PM
@barbarabeeton Hm, sounds like a tough job. Hopefully more people will read the updated version, so that it is worth the job.
@DavidCarlisle :)
6:11 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen ooh
@HaraldHanche-Olsen no, only a key for a pineapple pizza @DavidCarlisle
6:45 PM
> The boundedness conjecture for the action of the Steenrod algebra on polynomials
@DavidCarlisle ^^ RG is asking me if you are the author. :)
@PauloCereda I am, but don't feed the trolls:-)
@DavidCarlisle ooh :)
@PauloCereda probably last time I used tex, what's the date?
@DavidCarlisle I clicked YES. :)
@DavidCarlisle 1992
@PauloCereda sounds about right
6:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle My UK-TUG talk will cheer you up
@PauloCereda Remember you don't actually end up in the dungeon ;)
7:16 PM
@JosephWright Or else you all would get flu. :)
@PauloCereda Oh, we end up in the dungeon
@JosephWright :)
@JosephWright: But the room is classy!
@PauloCereda You've not been there
@JosephWright I saw a photo, I guess.
@PauloCereda Probably the other room
7:20 PM
@JosephWright ah
@PauloCereda classy would not be the word that immediately comes to mind.
@DavidCarlisle :)
@PauloCereda Wear a classy chimney pot hat, to protect against falling overhead projectors.
@StefanKottwitz ooh
@DavidCarlisle cozy?
@StefanKottwitz :)
7:22 PM
@DavidCarlisle classy -> classified?
@StefanKottwitz you've been there, how would you describe it? :-)
Fletcher Room

Available during Term-time & vacation

Description: Semi basement but with four windows across two walls onto lightwell.

Facilities: Ceiling-mounted data projector. Full wireless and broadband internet access. Screen, flip chart and white board. Fabric seated and backed chairs.

Accessibility: Down stairs, no lift.
@PauloCereda That's a very flattering photo
@DavidCarlisle It's perfect for a darknet LAN party.
@JosephWright looks better than the Dolphin Yard Teaching Room
We could get this one:
There's eleven types of knives, forks and spoons. I have no idea of their usage. :)
7:26 PM
@PauloCereda If we ever run a 'proper' meeting that's more-or-less my plan
@PauloCereda here's a better photo (picture of a vim user)
@JosephWright ooh I am gonna buy a top hat and a monocle just to be there. :)
@DavidCarlisle LOL
@DavidCarlisle Speaking of vim, you are going to love my talk
@TeXnician I mean UK-TUG, not the team
@JosephWright Oh, right, if you can introduce l3 then :)
we can also play cricket in the garden:
7:29 PM
@PauloCereda don't even think of walking on the grass of a college lawn
@PauloCereda that's crocket you play in gardens!
@DavidCarlisle but... I am a duck, I am supposed to walk on the grass!
@TeXnician Working on it
@yo' ooh
@JosephWright Btw: Is there an actual roadmap (I mean with real dates next to the milestones) for releasing l3 (have never seen such thing).
7:32 PM
@TeXnician yes, it's called "David, Joseph and Frank stuck in a traffic jam"
@TeXnician according to David, the roadmap should not consist of walking on the grass. :)
@yo' ooh next year we will have a joke-like sketch.
"Two English, Three German, a Brazilian and a Italian enter in a bar..."
@yo' Well, I guess not that kind of roads...
@PauloCereda an Italian :-)
@PauloCereda "... how many ducks are swimming on their cocktails?"
@TeXnician ooh it's on my bill
@yo' Das Italien. :)
7:34 PM
@TeXnician Short answer: no
@JosephWright Long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
@PauloCereda :)
@PauloCereda :)
@JosephWright Frank would kill me. :)
@yo' More 'Frank et al. think 'Why did we let this annoying so-and-so join the team?''
@TeXnician We need to sort 'style sheets', plus there is 2e work to do (and lately to actually improve the kernel)
7:44 PM
@JosephWright: ooh let's get this one: The Mackesy Room
Pembroke College
@DavidCarlisle oh
@PauloCereda We use Trinity as we knew they had a room some years ago, and they are pretty cheap (Oxford is convenient for various people)
@JosephWright ah!
fruit flies drink my Porto :-(
7:54 PM
@yo' oh no
8:18 PM
@PauloCereda -- oh, my goodness, that looks very nice! (i attended pembroke college, but not that one.)
@barbarabeeton :)
8:43 PM
@mickep (and anyone else interested in the "short math guide") -- in section 4.9, boxed formulas, i have a method for boxing an entire equation including equation number; also, the faq referred to no longer exists. should i (1) include the instructions (no extra package), or (2) suggest looking into another package (such as framed), or (3) disrecommend it as bad style?
another "short math guide" question ... i'm having a real problem integrating hyperref. would it be preferable to (1) just get the content in good order and release a draft, or (2) wait to release until i've conquered the hyperref problems?
9:23 PM
@barbarabeeton I could probably look at hyperref
@DavidCarlisle -- thanks! let me get the content to the point where it doesn't crash, and i'll send it along. most likely by the end of the week.
10:18 PM
@yo' Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. (G. Marx)
a couple more "short math guide" questions. in section 3.18, "math font switches:, most of the \math... font styles are shown in a table, but not \mathrm or \mathscr (which requires another font). should they be? and if so, what font should be used to show \mathscr (the two obvious candidates are euler and 'rsfs')?
10:40 PM
@barbarabeeton rsfs is nicer but euler's more "AMS" isn't it?
11:26 PM
@egreg oh my English!
@yo' :)

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