@egreg @JosephWright Also Peppino or Pino :)

@yo' oh sorry, I am late. :) In a hurry but fine. And you, pal?

@JosephWright José is a very common name, and it's often referred as Zé or Zezinho. :)

@PauloCereda Quite well, yes.

@CarLaTeX oh so I finally know where Pepa and Pepík is from

@yo' :)

@CarLaTeX ooh the Pepino guy and the song Champagne.

@JosephWright have "we" changed something? ! Argument of \use_none_delimit_by_q_recursion_stop:w has an extra }.

@DavidCarlisle for good measure. :)

@DavidCarlisle I get the missing semicolon error with TL'16 as well as TL'17: don't have TL'15 here

@yo' :)

@PauloCereda Peppino Di Capri :)

@DavidCarlisle I'll try to track this one down: if I back up far enough it does work

@CarLaTeX Also known as Cucumber of Capri

:)

@PauloCereda What is cucumber of Capri? Another pizza topping?

@CarLaTeX pepino (with only one p) is cucumber in Portuguese. :)

@JosephWright If I stick a \romannumeral`\^^@ trick at the front so \draw fully expands \Dt in one cycle then it works. so either we have changed the number of expansions done, or tikz has changed the number it requires, or it never worked (but since it was accepted i guess it must have worked once:-)

@DavidCarlisle It did work with e0a84538 (first one I tried): I'll do a biect to find what changed

@PauloCereda Oooh

@JosephWright ah git foo :-)

@DavidCarlisle I need 10 steps, apparently

@JosephWright yes presumably it never expanded this in one step?, although I'm never sure when tikz allows macro expansion and when it doesn't. the manual is not exactly clear on that

@DavidCarlisle I mean I need 10 Git steps to do the bisect ;)

@DavidCarlisle You are right that it's tricky knowing what is allowable by TikZ

@JosephWright ah

@DavidCarlisle \ExplSyntaxOn\cs_new_eq:NN \fexpand \exp_last_unbraced:Nf\ExplSyntaxOff` and then \fexpand\draw \Dt{d1}; is the real expl3 way. ;-)

@egreg Tutte le lingue sono le stesse

@DavidCarlisle I'm nearly there with the bisection: I have a feeling I know where the issue has come from

@DavidCarlisle Unfortunately it's a bit slow on the work PC

And I'm working, of course

@DavidCarlisle The problem comes from github.com/latex3/latex3/commit/…

@JosephWright so what is tikz \draw seeing that is stopping it expand it all away?

@DavidCarlisle Looking now!

@JosephWright thanks

@UlrikeFischer I should have added more documentation here. I don't understand why that test still isn't working, my changes should have addressed that (but I might have missed something, or my changes might not be fully robust). You're right, I didn't yet know how I should add a decent fontdimen interface so I left it alone, but added additional logic so only the FIRST maths font loaded is supposed to change the fontdimens (in either XeTeX or LuaTeX).

@WillRobertson Hi! TUG 2018? :)

@PauloCereda Not sure yet. Still hoping. Baby due in April!

@WillRobertson ooh great news! Congrats!

@WillRobertson Poke me if you need something.

@DavidCarlisle The problem is that TikZ wants to expand the upcoming tokens one-by-one, and we are hitting an infinity loop. TikZ counts the number of times it does the loop, which is what leads it to give up. I've not tracked down why this is just yet, but one can fix it in the current case by using f-type expansion:

\def\tikz@@expand{%
  \expandafter\tikz@@@expand\pgf@let@token
}
\def\tikz@@@expand{%
  \expandafter\tikz@scan@next@command
    \romannumeral-`0%
}

@JosephWright ah I was surprised that it worked with romannumeral but not if i did a force expand for three levels, but if its explictly counting that explains it. Could change tikz but I did wonder if \newExpandableDocumentCommand should put \romannumeral at the front of its definition so that it always expands in two steps, but perhaps that is slower for everyone for a special case here...

@WillRobertson oh congratulations (I don't think I was supposed to have known this?:-)

@DavidCarlisle The usual worry with adding \romannumeral here is that the 'payload' of the code code start with a space ...

@DavidCarlisle As far as I can see, the TikZ code can safely use \romannumeral as a space can never be significant here

@DavidCarlisle As I said, it's the loop that is an issue (so you can't simply up the number of allowed expansions): I'm not sure at present where it comes from!

@DavidCarlisle Let's improve your Italian: “Le lingue sono tutte uguali” (which also shows that the statement “All languages are the same” is false). :-)

@JosephWright yes

@egreg my original phrase was "all languages are the same to me" but when I back-converted that to English it said "all languages are the same as me" so I simplified it to improve the chance of correctness:-)

@DavidCarlisle ooh

Quack

@DavidCarlisle Oh no

Oh wait

@UlrikeFischer ^^ :)

I was ready this time, surprisingly. :)

@PauloCereda the ham on your pizza looks a bit green

@DavidCarlisle I have no strong feelings towards toppings, to be honest. :) I am preparing an adventure in TUG 2018 with @egreg and the others. :)

There's a pizza I like that if I show a photo here, @egreg will fly over to São Paulo and kick me. :)

This is one I really like.

And this one too, modulo onions. :)

@DavidCarlisle Then “Per me le lingue sono tutte uguali”.

@PauloCereda Already buying the ticket.

@egreg uh-oh

@egreg I knew I was in trouble. :)

@PauloCereda I'll get a club at arrival.

@egreg OH NO

@PauloCereda was is on the first pizza?

@UlrikeFischer I don't know the exact word in English, but Google says the term is potato straws.

With some slices of pork loin and a nice sauce.

@PauloCereda sounds as if it can compete with pineapples in the italian fraction ;-)

@egreg Tell him something ^^^

@UlrikeFischer I twisted my nose at first, but it's very good! I prefer the second one, is traditionally called baiana. :)

@UlrikeFischer: I will take you all for a pizza during TUG. :)

@PauloCereda Do you know some tool to sanitize input for tex?

@UlrikeFischer Which input?

@PauloCereda There is a database with various text fields and content tex doesn't like. I can probably handle it with regex replaces and catcode changes but if a usefull preprocessor already exists.

@UlrikeFischer hmm I don't know anything along those lines, but I can write something if you need.

@UlrikeFischer I use whatever software I know for these tasks, mostly Python now.

@yo' Do you have some ready "sanitzefortext" script? It doesn't need to be very sophisticated. The content was fed to some report tool until now, there can't be to much dangerous stuff in it.

@UlrikeFischer not really ATM I'm afraid, but this is usually so case-specific that sample program wouldn't be much helpful :-( But the basic idea is usually "processing by lines" is this:

for line in open('data.txt'):
   #do something with line, extract and reorganize data
   print "SOMETHING"

(sorry, I don't have much spare time today to help you more)

@CarLaTeX did you like the dinnertime duck?

@UlrikeFischer Of course, starred!

My lunch today ^^^

@CarLaTeX Yum!

@DavidCarlisle You can fix the issue by allowing more expansions:

\usepackage{tikz}
\usepackage{etoolbox}
\makeatletter
\patchcmd\tikz@@command@path{100}{200}{}{}
\makeatother

@CarLaTeX our lunch two days ago ^^^^ (the scampi are below the risotto ..., remark the fine pineapples)

@DavidCarlisle One of us should ask a question about this issue then answer it ...

@CarLaTeX no parmesan? :)

@JosephWright egreg

@DavidCarlisle :)

@CarLaTeX rice noodles?

@PauloCereda No, I have to avoid cheese

@CarLaTeX oh why?

@UlrikeFischer Risotto alla milanese (with not Milanese scampi)

@PauloCereda Health problems

@CarLaTeX oh sorry to hear

@DavidCarlisle :P

@PauloCereda Nothing serious

@PauloCereda It's best to avoid cheese, it hurts if one hits you

@DavidCarlisle LOL

@JosephWright tex.stackexchange.com/questions/310900/…

@DavidCarlisle Yes but the issue is general I suppose

@JosephWright yes, but I thought I'd fix that answer anyway, there can't be many things other than tikz that require less than n expansion steps where n is a number bigger than 2

@DavidCarlisle oh my

@PauloCereda I didn't actually watch the video (at work) but cheese rolling a fairly well known activity in these parts, so I expected there would be some clips on youtube somewhere

@CarLaTeX there are pineapples in risotta alla milanese ;-)?

@UlrikeFischer Eresiaaaaaa!!!

@CarLaTeX @egreg ^^ :D

@yo' see chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/42180758#42180758

@UlrikeFischer ah, so I'm too late to this party

@yo' only a bit :)

@yo' <3

Hello, i instal miktex basic on windows 7, and i do the update how to make it complite ?

Someone got bored. :)

@Vrouvrou You mean your document? Usually that's done from within your editor.

@AlanMunn: I have a very amusing story for you. :)

@AlanMunn: at the olympic lane in USP, there are lots and lots of capybaras. I always walk nearby them, and one day I exclaimed, "Nossa, aqui tem capivaras pacas!" Paca is a giant rodent, probably from the capy family, but the plural was used in the past as a intensity adverb. It was a curious sentence!

@PauloCereda not that unusual: the stonework on our house isn't quite as irregular, but there are no straight lines either

@DavidCarlisle same here. :)

@PauloCereda And were you using it with that meaning?

@AlanMunn Yes, pacas = muitas.

@DavidCarlisle But stonework is different from brickwork, no?

@PauloCereda Interesting. I wonder how it arose.

@AlanMunn I have no idea. I will investigate. Ask your resident expert and see if she knows the usage. :) The funny thing for me is that people usually mistake capybaras with pacas (the animal) and vice-versa. :)

@AlanMunn yes but usually these days they cut the stone into brick shaped bits so the difference is less but in the villages round here planning regs usually lead to building with rough cut stone of irregular sizes, even for new builds

@marmot Hi mr. marmot!

@PauloCereda Hello Mr. Duck! (I'm impressed by your typing skills. How do you do that? I'm pretty slow with my claws... ;-)

@marmot He uses a technique called hunt and peck.

@marmot The beak help. :)

@PauloCereda I see. You seem to have a big advantage. Maybe I should start using my tail ;-)

@marmot ooh advanced skills

@PauloCereda Yesterday I had some conversations with a Wolpertinger. He might have a big advantage, given that he has claws, wings and a tail.

@marmot holy cow, that's spooky! :)

@PauloCereda There is even some duck in a wolpertinger de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolpertinger

@UlrikeFischer ooh

In the US, Wolpertingers are known as Jackalopes. Just wondering if every culture has a word for them.

Is it possible to vote to close a question after I retracted my vote to close? I just found a better fitting duplicate question and wanted to vote to close using this duplicate, but am not allowed to vote to close again -.-

Background is this question: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/410036/…

And this is the other duplicate I found and want to vote to close based on now: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/33007/…

@Skillmon No, but others can add a different duplicate. And @JosephWright can specifically add a duplicate link if needed.

@Skillmon Voted to close for the new one.

@Skillmon That user has been asking the same question several times, it seems.

@egreg @Skillmon And I added my vote with that dupe as well.

@AlanMunn i don't understand you

@Vrouvrou The feeling is mutual. What do you want to compile?

@AlanMunn Me too. (I don't dare put a # in front of that.)

@egreg I added a recursive non-comma-needing variant to tex.stackexchange.com/q/409653/3929, just for completeness

@AlanMunn sadly I'm still not allowed :( And tricked someone to vote for the first proposed duplicate, too

@Skillmon No, you can't vote twice. You can only vote and retract.

@Skillmon The question is closed now. We can all go back to discussing wildlife.

@AlanMunn i instal basic version i do the update , and i want to let it complete such that i can sent it to an other person who have no connexion

@Vrouvrou Then I have no idea how to do this. Sorry.

@Vrouvrou You can start the package manager, select all uninstalled packages and install them. But imho this is not the sensible method to sent miktex to someone else. Better get the packages from ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/win32/miktex/tm/packages and the installer from ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/win32/miktex/setup e.g. with wget and sent this. The the other person can install from a local repository.

This user is seriously killing me :(

@Skillmon Which one?

@Skillmon Well, with his reputation (404) it's no wonder that he isn't popular ;)

@JosephWright Presumably the user posting the question we just closed

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Was my supposition

@Skillmon Just relax and hibernate a bit ;-)

@Skillmon I think we should avoid talking about particular users in chat.

Is there a way to add whitespace at the end of a line that is treated as non-whitespace and is not automatically removed? I simply want something invisible that behaves just like the visible stuff and has a predetermined size in centimetres.

I simply need to hack a center alignment issue and I do not have the time to find the proper solution right now.

Adding space at the end should shift to the left.

Never mind, \phantom{......} is good enough for now ...

@AlanMunn you're right, sorry. Was outside a bit now, cooled down. Back to usual (still will not answer questions from him, though).

@Skillmon /hugs

@Skillmon Do like I did: make a do-not-answer-this-one list :):):)

@Skillmon @CarLaTeX In case you are using firefox, there is a handy addon to mark favourite (or "favourite") users: addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/…

@samcarter Incredible LOL

@samcarter We could hack the add-on and make it display only duck-related content.

@PauloCereda :) waiting times between new questions might be a bit long - but maybe good for thesis writing :)

@samcarter which thesis writing oh no

@PauloCereda You can relax, I was thinking of my own one :)

@PauloCereda still not finish? How long is it supposed to be?

A quick poll: when I say put this in your local texmf folder, what do I mean?

@samcarter sadly it seems not compatible with Firefox 57+ :(

@Skillmon according to this chatroom, forever. :)

@Skillmon @PauloCereda just waits for LaTeX3 to be release first ;)

@PauloCereda Next contest after "When will @egreg reach 654321" will be "When will Paulo finish his thesis"

@PauloCereda Are you enrolled in a PhD program for Buddhists?

@CarLaTeX Don't you dare. :)

@marmot Better: somewhere in the multiverse, my thesis is already written. :)

@PauloCereda I'm tempted

@CarLaTeX please, no. :)

@PauloCereda Don't worry, I'm not so mean as @DavidCarlisle

@CarLaTeX <3

@PauloCereda ``Somewhere ... is already written '' is a statement that depends on your frame. So in this sense you're almost certainly right.

@marmot ooh :)

@PauloCereda Moreover, I'm in the same situation :):):)

@CarLaTeX Then @PauloCereda's attitude may help (better move very fast ;-)

@AlanMunn You probably mean that the file should be moved into the local texmf folder :) (however if a reader does not know about the existence of a texmf folder, he/she may have to google that first before following your advice)

@marmot :)

@samcarter :) what I'm trying to get at is where would this folder be, most likely?

@AlanMunn somewhere local seems too obvious to be the correct answer :)

@samcarter You're being deliberately obtuse here... :P

@Skillmon One of the reasons I stayed with the "Extended Support Release" of firefox - this way I only have to worry in half a year about this new addon scheme

@AlanMunn Busted!

@AlanMunn In my case (on macOS): ~/Library/texmf/.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen At last a serious answer. :) Yes. I want more like this, please.

@samcarter I was doing the same, but then found a replacement for the most important add-on (pentadactyl), so I moved on using this replacement (sponsored Ad: tridactyl)

This room is full of loonies, that's why we wub here. <3

@AlanMunn When I think of local texmf: ~/texmf/ (or where ever one moved this)

@PauloCereda what kind of thesis is it? Doctor?

@Skillmon yes

Against all odds, I do research. :)

@PauloCereda Well, then it's normal that it takes some time :) Hope I'll get there eventually (lets see if someone is willing enough to give a the possibilty)

@Skillmon Fingers crossed, pal! :)

@PauloCereda I'm not your pal, friend!

@Skillmon I am not your pal, guy!

As no one present has actually observed @PauloCereda's thesis, it must be assumed to be in a mixed state: both written and not written. Kind of a Schrödinger's thesis.

@PauloCereda I'm not your guy, bro!

@HaraldHanche-Olsen ooh I like it

@HaraldHanche-Olsen lets make t-shirts of this!

@Skillmon I am not your bro, buddy!

@PauloCereda I'm not your buddy, dude!

@HaraldHanche-Olsen @PauloCereda Then you have to hope it collapses the right way ;-)

@Skillmon I am not your dude, chap!

@PauloCereda I'm not your chap, boy!

@PauloCereda @Skillmon Dudes!

@Skillmon I am not your boy, comrade!

Россия-Матушка!!!!!!

Sorry. :)

@HaraldHanche-Olsen I will behave. :)

For those who are not aware, @Skillmon and I are replicating a dialogue from a South Park episode, Canada on strike. :)

@Skillmon Is quitting firefox still possible with this type of addon? :)

@samcarter oi

@PauloCereda but I guess we're out of sync with the nicknames.

@samcarter Why would you want to quit Firefox?

@samcarter If you're used to pentadactyl, yes, ZZ is still exiting firefox in tridactyl. But I think :restart is not implemented (damn restrictions of WebExt). However there is a trick involved, they don't really write anything to the disk, but restore based on Firefox's restoration.

@Skillmon :)

@Skillmon I used VimFX in the past, but it does not work with FF57

@PauloCereda try tridactyl in FF57. So far it's the best add-on I found for a replacement. But I thought the VimFX developer was planning to port it?!

@Skillmon Will do, thanks! No idea about VimFX... :(

List of extensions I stumbled upon for a vim-like FF57+ (in case someone wants to test a few): tridactyl, Saka together with Saka Key, QuantumVim, Vim Vixen, Vimium

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@PauloCereda Yeah, just blame Canada, why don't you.

From those I experienced issues with setting up Saka, I tried Vimium in Chromium but there I think cVim is better and therefore did not much testing, Vim Vixen and QuantumVim both got me basic stuff for controls, but Tridactyl seemed the most promising (when I started testing there was an update ready every 10-20 minutes). All of these however have there struggles from the WebExt restrictions :(

@AlanMunn <3

@HaraldHanche-Olsen I don't want to quit it, I want the possibility to quit it, which is something which is missing in vim :)

The Twitter link has a video. ^^

@samcarter Ah, sorry. Carry on.

@samcarter have you tried ZZ?

@samcarter better an editor without the possibility to quit than an operating system with the ability to quit but without an editor!

@Skillmon :) But whom do you talk to if your editor does not have a psychotherapist?

@samcarter my wife (which happens to do not use VIM, something I'll have to work on...)

@PhelypeOleinik Related to Olga Oleinik perhaps?

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Not that I know of... My great²-grandparents came from Poland to Brazil, as far as I know, which would be many years before Olga was born.

Although, some kind of kinship would be interesting. Since I have a lot to procrastinate over, I'll do a little research on the matter :)

@PhelypeOleinik Well, it was a long shot.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen When I was a kid I thought that I (and my family, of course) were the only ones named Oleinik. When I came to university I found a lot of Oleiniks, most of them in the medical field.

Just a random story :)

I think Smalin's this work is appreciated here more