TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2017-06-29

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5:14 AM

Did it ever happen to one of you when using the package flushend that the last paragraphs get mixed up? The last couple of lines of one paragraph are shifted to the right column and get mixed with the last block of text ????

5:25 AM

Well fixed that by not using any package with \vfill\break\noindent and an appropriate \vspace*{} somewhere else. Not nice but does the job does packages where supposed to do.

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6:42 AM

@s__C tex.stackexchange.com/questions/199825/… ?

6:54 AM

Hello guys! How is everyone on this fine day?

@manucpp Hello. I think it's not best to ask me how is it going...

Why? Everything alright? Anything I can do to make you feel better?

Disclaimer: I offer only moral support and agony aunt advices.

@manucpp I will say it diplomatically: I really am not a morning person

@DavidCarlisle well yes. I was lucky that the column break was not happening in the middle of the references list

@Moriambar Oh.... I see. I know people who take time to warm up. Especially in the morning.

7:02 AM

@manucpp Yes. Especially at work I can take up to 9 hours to warm up

@Moriambar ROFL =))

@manucpp sometimes I pass the whole day grumpy and tired until the evening comes and then I light up

@Moriambar The weather is amazing here. Dark clouds in the sky. Occasional drizzle. It's the best I tell you. If only they allowed a pint of beer at work.

@manucpp here the weather is still unsettled from the latest day. I am meteoropathic

@Moriambar I need to look that up "meteoropathic"

@Moriambar Oh, you experience bad symptoms due to changing weather? Sorry to know that.

Hey guys. How do I check what commands make up a macro? \path for example?

7:19 AM

@manucpp I got kind of used to it (as long as the weather is stable and sunny) :)

@Moriambar I hate the sun. Maybe because we have that ball of fire staring down at us in full glory 300 days a year.

@manucpp I see. I have mixed feelings towards it, but unfortunately I have to work now! It's been nice chatting with you

@Moriambar Sorry to disturb. Please carry on.

7:33 AM

@manucpp no disturb really. Otherwise I wouldn't have answered

7:53 AM

@manucpp texdef -t latex -p url path

@manucpp `\show\path to show it on the terminal or \meaning\path to print it but that's only one level, better to just look at the package source (url.sty in that case or tikz depending on which \path you mean)

8:45 AM

@egreg @DavidCarlisle Thanks

@DavidCarlisle Where do I run these commands? I am using Ubuntu

9:03 AM

@manucpp they are tex commands stick them in a document or as egreg just showed you can use the texdef perl utility to \show them for you

@DavidCarlisle oh! thanks again

9:55 AM

@UlrikeFischer I am shy. <3

10:18 AM

@PauloCereda then keep it secret ...;-)

@UlrikeFischer ooh ducks love secrets

Is this tex.stackexchange.com/q/377320/3929 a proper answer to a clearly please do this for me question?

10:38 AM

404... (so I guess the answer was no)

11:17 AM

@mickep The user probably got offended and deleted the question. I wrote this: "This kind of questions are generally frowned upon on this site as it is a type of please do this for me question. This is a Q and A site, so please post a specific question or at least post some code showing what you have so far. "

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda How should I learn Portuguese then?

@daleif That sounds like a fair comment. While I have you here, may I ask who the professor is that is writing his/her biography?

@StefanKottwitz Portuguese is easy. :)

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda Ok, let me try!

@PauloCereda Somos melhores e não precisamos considerar os feitos sem importância do mercado comercial de processadores de texto.

@PauloCereda You are right! Flows easily.

@StefanKottwitz it sounds very automated, but I can get the idea. :)

11:23 AM

@mickep Barndorff-Nielsen (statistics). I'm trying to draw a graph for him at the moment, and I have no idea how that math works. Luckily here are others that can help. It will not be something pgfplots can handle directly, so I'll probably write some python to help

@daleif: I don't think I met Barndorff-Nielsen. And it sounds like a nasty graph given pgfplots cannot make it (via gnuplot for example).

@mickep I think he's in his 80s now, white hair. You could probably do it with gnuplot. I just like to know what the math does. It is a graph of ~15 graphs (of a NIG distribution), involbing K1 bessel functions and edge cases where constant parameters tend to infinity). I never had that type of statistics.

@egreg I was thinking about \afterassignment. I suspect exposing the primitive might be tricky not least because the behaviour with boxes is not the same as with other variables. What I think we need is clear use cases: I'm not sure what the top-level syntax that Andrew needs fully looks like ..

He invented some hyperbolic distributions that are even used in physics.

@daleif Haha, searching for it gives this, perhaps the longest ordinary differential equation I've ever seen.

11:34 AM

@PauloCereda Sim, você simplesmente escreve inglês e selecione português no menu

@DavidCarlisle em inglês e seleciona.

@PauloCereda naturally I was using pt-pt not some south American variant that you may be more used to.

@DavidCarlisle oi

@PauloCereda Os usuários do Emacs estão acima de pequenas diferenças nas vogais

@DavidCarlisle I am getting scared. :)

11:42 AM

@mickep It is quite strange. Apparently some of this stuff was conclusion of a study of wind blown sand.

@egreg is anything else wrong I haven't mentioned in this answer?

@Skillmon Upvoted

Should I include a note in my question wherein I ask users not to post an answer if the question is marked duplicate?

That way I can delete that question.

11:58 AM

@manucpp I think that the question will be properly closed by the community as such (if it's the case)

@Moriambar Oh...ok. Do I get a ding (or something similar) if the question is a duplicate? I'd really avoid dings against my profile.

@manucpp no. and I agree with this mode. There is no shame imo in making a duplicate question, because sometimes it's really hard to find the duplicate even through thorough search. So no "dings"

@Moriambar Thanks :) btw, how are you now? Lighting up a bit? or still grumpy? :D

@manucpp less grumpy thanks. I'm kind in the normal "kill-colleagues" mode, instead of "exterminate humanity mode"

@Moriambar ROFL =))

12:04 PM

@manucpp mention \\ , that always cheers him up

@DavidCarlisle \` as in \newline`? How?

@manucpp just try asking him about that command:-)

@DavidCarlisle I have taken a similar kind of bait while in school. I was made to stare at ants. So, pass. =))

evince punishes me by dying everytime my compilation fail. It just tries to help me to write better code, I guess...

I wish I could code :(

12:10 PM

@Moriambar see the preceding 6 comments!

@manucpp I pretend to be able to code just a tiny bit, but then everyday when I sit down, I realize I cannot :)

@DavidCarlisle argh!

12:25 PM

@PauloCereda Happy name-day!

@CarLaTeX oh I forgot about him! Thank you! <3

@PauloCereda :)

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1:28 PM

@manucpp -- don't delete the question unless it's practically identical to the duplicate. if you had a hard time finding the duplicate, someone else will too, and if you have phrased it in a manner quite different from the duplicate, that will give a new seeker a better chance at finding the desired information.

Good afternoon to the users of TeX,

@ChristianHupfer Sorry for my answer delay. During this period I am engaged in state exams and should see your answer well. I thank you very much and thank all of you for me.

@CarLaTeX: eating Doritos, ducks like those snacks!

1:54 PM

@PauloCereda Duck with cheese filling, yummy ;)

@TeXnician oh no

2:26 PM

@PauloCereda They seem tasty but remember the party in bathing suit at Copacabana beach at the next TUG Meeting! You have to keep fit!

@CarLaTeX oh :(

2:52 PM

is anyone here up-to-date on german orthography? i understand that an uppercase ess-tset is now officially acceptable. the immediate problem is in rendering an author address -- in small caps -- which contains "Gaußstraße". i believe that there is probably a full uppercase `\ss' out there in some cm-compatible font, but does anyone know where a small cap version might be found?

@barbarabeeton Wikipedia indicates it is, with a reference

Capital sharp s (ẞ; German Versal-Eszett) is the majuscule (uppercase) form of the eszett (also called sharp s) ligature in German orthography (ß). German eszett is, in origin, a ligature of two minuscule (lowercase) letters, long s and tailed z, and as such has no traditional majuscule form. Nevertheless, typefaces used for printing German language texts during the early 20th century have often included capital eszett glyphs. There were repeated calls to include capital eszett in official German orthography, particularly in the early 20th century, and again during the 1950s and 1960s in East Germany...

A friend of mine used to trigger Germans by using \beta instead of Eszett. :)

@barbarabeeton The rules allow both SS and ẞ:

@JosephWright -- but the problem is not that it exists in principle, but finding a cm-compatible glyph.

> E3: Bei Schreibung mit Großbuchstaben schreibt man SS. Daneben ist auch die Verwendung des Großbuchstabens ẞ möglich. Beispiel: Straße – STRASSE – STRAẞE.

@barbarabeeton Sure, but it seems clear to me from the above that one can justify sticking to SS

3:01 PM

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@JosephWright -- i know that. but three "s"s in a row looks pretty awful.

@DavidCarlisle ^^ My paper is attracting attention. There's something suspicious here.

@barbarabeeton @JosephWright I don't think that there is a cm-compatible font with the glyph. A list of fonts can be found here fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1e9e/fontsupport.htm.

@UlrikeFischer I suspect not

@barbarabeeton Until recently it would have been mandated ... (@UlrikeFischer, correct?)

I find the entire idea of official spelling rules very odd ...

@JosephWright What does "mandated" mean?

3:04 PM

@UlrikeFischer I mean that before the rule change to allow ẞ, the capitalisation of ßs or sß would have to be SSS

@JosephWright Yes, in uppercase it would be GAUSSSTRASSE -- which are a lot of ss and a good reason to avoid the overuse of uppercasing ...

@JosephWright Well somehow you need an agreement if it should be "color" or "colour".

@UlrikeFischer surely that's obvious which is correct.....

@CarLaTeX: it's been a while since I posted silly things: youtube.com/watch?v=pVxZ2WhZCL8

@barbarabeeton Please be aware that today's announcements about the capital ß is not yet official, the conference of ministers of education (and some others) has to confirm it to make it legally binding. (as far as I understood)

@JosephWright -- to the best of my knowledge, "sß" is impossible. (i don't believe it's possible to start a word with an ess-tset.)

3:16 PM

@barbarabeeton you could do something radical like put spaces between words:-)

@UlrikeFischer -- thanks for this -- it is sufficient to solve the problem at hand. (and i'm surely in agreement about avoiding uppercasing, but small caps in the relevant context has a very long history here ...)

@JosephWright: happy belated birthday!

tagesschau.de/inland/eszett-103.html

@samcarter -- thanks for that info. but don't you figure that "the writing is on the wall"?

@barbarabeeton ooh Spectre theme!

@DavidCarlisle -- there's only so far one can take copyediting.

3:19 PM

Dear conference organisers, Please provide mugs not cups. A thimble of coffee is not enough to get me through these Powerpoints. Thanks

Tweeted by AcademiaObscura on June 29, 2017 at 2:10 PM

@PauloCereda -- the reference goes all the way back to assyria, if i'm not mistaken, although the more immediate reference is to a poem by omar khayyam.

@barbarabeeton: for your amusement: twitter.com/Ri_Science/status/878199505342083072 (click the pictures, they will expand)

@samcarter See Paulos Link (last sentence).

@barbarabeeton oh I just thought about Sam Smith's beautiful song used for the theme song of Spectre. :)

@PauloCereda The day after tomorrow I might see a lot of ducks: thomas.ketterers.net/lions-club-entencup-2011/comment-page-1

3:23 PM

@samcarter OH MY OH MY OH MY

@PauloCereda -- that's absolutely gorgeous! her handschrift was certainly more elegant and readable than mine ever was.

@TeXnician Exactly what I meant to say - until the changes are ratified, they are not yet official.

@samcarter Why does Tagesschau write the following then?

@barbarabeeton The changes will certainly come - the question is just if one wants to use them until they are official (Germans love rules :) )

> Die deutsche Kultusministerkonferenz und die staatlichen Stellen der anderen Länder bestätigten die neuen Änderungen, die der Rat beschlossen hat, und machten sie damit wirksam.

3:27 PM

@barbarabeeton Mine is not in good shape. :)

@TeXnician The sentence on Tagesschau sounded to me like the ratification process is currently happening. Also spiegel.de/lebenundlernen/schule/… sounds like this is something still to be done.

@samcarter -- even though there are rules, i've seen a number of places where they have been intentionally broken. in fact, if this rule had not been ignored, no one would ever have designed an uppercase ess-tset. (i've had training in linguistics, and find myself sitting on the fence between prescriptive and descriptive. as a sometimes editor, i lean toward the prescriptive, but more often try to find an acceptable workaround.)

@samcarter Well, Tagesschau clearly wrote "machten sie damit wirksam" which is past. Spiegel wrote (later) that it has to be ratified. However, the official report won't be online this week, I guess.

Meanwhile, hallo, Ich bin ein Ente. :)

3:43 PM

@PauloCereda Are you interested in the duck or in the girls?

@CarLaTeX uh-oh

@DavidCarlisle and @JosephWright -- i've just been greeted with this error:
! Extra \else.
\@include ...ediate \closeout \@partaux \fi \else
\deadcycles \z@ \@nameuse ...
l.1653 \include{ResourcesHelp}
which comes right out of latex.ltx. how best to convey the details to you?

{drat the system that removes leading and multiple spaces! but you know what i mean.)

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