The Bridge

Ivo Flipse

16:00

well they made WoW considerably easier to get back into

but it's a gigantic time-sink

but even Android games can be that :P

Macha

I have guild wars. Spent €20. Never played it.

Ivo Flipse

just play all the Storm8 games and Pocket Empires

alexanderpas

@Macha, yet, whenever you want, you can!

Macha

True, true

Hmm, Dwarf Fortress still hasn't started yet. Time to redownload anyway then

alexanderpas

why do all those DF support programs only work on windows... sigh...

Arda Xi

16:05

Biggest market

Macha

Well, I'm busy install 32 bit SDL for it atm...

Downvoter

You should play left 4 dead 2

Arda Xi

hmm?

Downvoter

it's amazingly entertaining to shoot zombies

Arda Xi

It's a great game, but it gets stale very quickly

alexanderpas

16:06

valve + zombies = epic

Downvoter

(i was responding to earlier messages)

Arda Xi

L4D was better, especially the atmosphere

Downvoter

(I'm lagging because of work :P )

Macha

Ah, damn. No 32 bit sdl-image on Arch :(

Downvoter

I didn't play the first

Macha

16:06

I can't play L4D1 anymore since playing L4D2.

Go Melee weapons

Arda Xi

atmosphere is much better in the dark

Macha

The Passing + Dark Carnival get pretty dark.

alexanderpas

completely dark room + L4D(2) = scary

Arda Xi

Doesn't quite cut No Mercy dark

Downvoter

dark carnival is my favorite

Arda Xi

16:07

or Death Toll

Death Toll is my favourite, definitely

serg555

are you excited about any games that come this year?

Macha

Nope :P

Arda Xi

Next year maybe, not this year

Macha

Unless they suddenly announce Simcity 5, as a proper simcity game

serg555

for me it is mafia2 probably

Arda Xi

16:10

I want Portal 2

Downvoter

uoo, portal 2

Downvoter

can't wait

Downvoter

I watch the trailers over and over

Arda Xi

gonna be hard as hell though

Macha

Portal 2: Into the "will get eventually" pile.

Arda Xi

16:11

in my "will preload immediately" pile

Downvoter

don't tell valve, but I'll pay anything

Arda Xi

will probably be near €50 again

C. Ross

@Juan how much would you pay if it was donation only?

Downvoter

donation?

Macha

Yay, it loads! With about a billion errors :(

Arda Xi

16:13

I'm pragmatic, I probably wouldn't pay anything for it donation-only

C. Ross

If Valve said to you, you pay us what you think the game is worth

Downvoter

well, I wouldn't pay (as @Arda said)

Downvoter

if it was like for charity, I would

Arda Xi

then again, I have about every Valve game ever made

Downvoter

but dollars are expensive for me here :)

Downvoter

16:15

what is facebook graffiti?

Macha

sounds like a facebook app

Arda Xi

no idea, probably an app

C. Ross

is it a game?

alexanderpas

Portal 2... donation only? I'd give 10% of freely spendable monthly income

Arda Xi

probably not

Downvoter

16:16

I doesn't sound like a game

Arda Xi

voted off-topic

alexanderpas

facebook graffiti should be on webapps i guess

Macha

Out of close votes now :P

Arda Xi

I got 5 left

Downvoter

I still have a few

Downvoter

16:17

what about relaxing games for ps2?

Downvoter

what are we finally going to do with "game recommendations"?

Macha

Shadow of the colossus? Weird choice

alexanderpas

2 votes left

Macha

I think, game recommendations is inherently subjective for anything but the narrowest of definitions.

alexanderpas

@Juan keep a close eye, too broad = not a real question

serg555

16:18

they don't hurt anyone though

C. Ross

Community Wiki, only?

Downvoter

@serg, I disagree

Downvoter

they hurt the quality of the site

Downvoter

we talked with Jeff about this last night

Macha

We want to be about answers, not polls

serg555

16:18

in which way

Downvoter

We need to steer the site to Q&A

Downvoter

not discussion

serg555

why is that

Downvoter

Because that's what the engine is for

C. Ross

Then let the closing/downvoting commence.

Macha

16:19

If we want people to get answers, we need people interested in questions, not those wanting to discuss TF2 vs CS:S for the billionth time

Downvoter

9

A: What should our FAQ contain?

What kind of questions should I not ask here? Avoid asking questions that are subjective, argumentative, or require extended discussion. This is not a discussion board, this is a place for questions that can be answered! If you want to talk about the site itself, please don't do it here. Visit ...

serg555

so the real answer then - they don't hurt anyone, it just not what is engine for?

Downvoter

there are discussion forums out there

serg555

so

Arda Xi

we want a knowledgebase for people to read later

Downvoter

16:20

@serg, this is not a discussion forum

Arda Xi

ask once, read many

serg555

there QA sites out there

Downvoter

that's the answer

Arda Xi

most discussion questions are ask once read once

serg555

i think if there is a question with 100 votes, 100 answers and 100 favs it should stay open, as long as it is gaming related.

serg555

16:22

community clearly likes it

Arda Xi

Doesn't have to be necessarily, if they don't follow the guidelines

which question are we talking about here?

serg555

what are quidlines for?

C. Ross

@serg555 You can't try to be everything

alexanderpas

good:

1

Q: Is there a game like Port of Call that runs natively on Linux?

I remember there was a game called Port of Call which allowed the management of ships to take on goods and bring them to destinations. Is there anything like this available running natively on Linux? I just remember that the first time I saw it was on Amiga.

serg555

i can try, if nobody will try to stop me

alexanderpas

16:23

bad:

15

Q: What are some good "turn-based tactics" titles for the PC?

I've always loved "turn-based tactical" games, the kind that are played on a grid. Some examples of my favorites from this genre are: Shining Force series Final Fantasy Tactics series Advance Wars series Fire Emblem series However, I haven't seen new games of this type in years, and I seem t...

pc game-rec turn-based-strategy

C. Ross

@serg555 ... and you will fail

serg555

yeah, and for some reason "bad" has 6/14 and "good" has 1/0. doesn't look "good"

Downvoter

Should I add the feed for meta too?

Arda Xi

yeah

@serg votes are not a unanimous figure that describes the quality of the question

serg555

but closing votes are?

Arda Xi

16:25

5 of them are

serg555

and 100 upvotes are not?

C. Ross

A question can be a great question, but not be on topic

Arda Xi

if there are 5 people with 500+ rep who think it's off-topic and none to re-open, no

serg555

so are we just trying to stay on topic just to stay on topic?

Arda Xi

that's a system that's worked well for SOFU for years

no, we're trying to stay on topic in order to become a userbase

erm

knowledgebase

alexanderpas

16:26

you are on topic, when you are on topic.

Arda Xi

an ask once/read many system

as I said before

C. Ross

We're trying to stay on topic to be a great site for Q&A which is the stated purpose.

serg555

so "what is your fav game" is no a question?

Arda Xi

not one relevant to a global audience

serg555

what if it has 10 votes etc?

serg555

16:28

1000 i mean

alexanderpas

it is a good discussion/poll, not a good question.

Arda Xi

then that number of people upvoted it

that's all there is to it

serg555

what are you discussing exactly? i am just posting my fav games

Downvoter

@serg, are you trolling?

serg555

no, are you?

Downvoter

16:30

voting to close requires more trust from the system

Downvoter

upvoting less

Downvoter

so yes, close votes weigh more than upvotes

alexanderpas

he is, to explore the limits, for the betterment of the site

serg555

i find it disrespectful to th community when 4 closing votes are closing question with 100 upvotes

Arda Xi

Then vote to reopen

Downvoter

16:31

Refer to the FAQ on how the system works please

serg555

what is i want it to work differently

serg555

*if

Arda Xi

then you're in the wrong place, this system has worked like this for years

serg555

does it mean it is perfect and no changes should be ever made?

alexanderpas

Q&A is not a forum.

Arda Xi

16:33

no, of course not

you are free to discuss that on meta.stackoverflow.com

serg555

anyway, les drop it. we are just arguing now for the sake of arguing

alexanderpas

arguing let's you think about stuff you haven't before, if done with respect from and to both sides

Arda Xi

without discussion nothing would ever be improved :-)

serg555

unless they call you a troll

Downvoter

It was a question

serg555

16:35

what did you expect to hear?

Arda Xi

either yes or no, I would think

Downvoter

the way you reacted made me think you were not trolling, so exactly that

alexanderpas

the answer could've been: yes, sorry about that.

hmm... why do i always post good answers....

7

A: Why do you need a SS for some Korean games?

The reason behind this is the Korean "Cyber defamation law" forbidding users from making anonymous comments. One way of ensuring this requirement is for game developpers to couple each account to a uniquely identifiable attribute for each person, in this case, the social security number.

Macha

It gets interesting when I leave for a few minutes.

Arda Xi

@alex that's an interesting question

/me votes to close as subjective :-)

Macha

16:40

The new users are increasing in volume.

alexanderpas

hmm... bigger users?

Arda Xi

That would be mass, alex ;-)

alexanderpas

size != mass, volume == size

Downvoter

we have 863

Downvoter

in the private beta we were a little more than 300

Ivo Flipse

16:43

it's simple, we need more users who play games other users play too

alexanderpas

0

Q: Relaxing games for PS2?

Can you suggest any relaxing sort of games for the PS2? I have these already and thought them chillaxfull : Katamari Damacy Shadow of the Colossus

ps2 relaxing

bad question!

Arda Xi

'chillaxfull'?

seriously?

Downvoter

I voted to close

Arda Xi

I closed it

alexanderpas

I did too, was my last close vote.

Downvoter

16:45

rlb.usa is posting some questionable questions (sic)

Arda Xi

why sic?

Ivo Flipse

our question counter is going to get skewed with the amount of closing around here

Arda Xi

true

Macha

@Ivo Better close 100 now that 10k in 3 months.

Downvoter

are closed ones counted too?

Ivo Flipse

16:47

I'd say we're the most critical proposal out there

don't know @Juan & you're absolutely right @Macha

I would have even preferred to set these things straight before we even went into private beta

but I figure this works too

Arda Xi

Userbase was better then ;-)

Downvoter

yeah, I feel we wasted the whole week

Ivo Flipse

though perhaps area51 should simply be real questions

no answers, just questions

and then discuss

Macha

We didn't really see the problem until near the end of the private beta.

Ivo Flipse

well you can't predict or prevent everything

and we haven't ironed out every discussion point for the FAQ

Downvoter

16:49

true

Ivo Flipse

and probably it's a moving average as well, people will change their mind with great counter-examples

Downvoter

we need to steer it into the right direction

alexanderpas

Guess what happens when we only saw the problem at the end of 1 week public beta... chaos.

Ivo Flipse

strange I thought I suggested to have a look at gameover.com

as a domain name

alexanderpas

Site down for maintenance.

hmm...

Macha

16:55

Interesting observation: The more involved you are in the site, the more you are in favour of closing. If you gave close votes to people with 200 rep on SO, I bet most of them wouldn't use them much.

alexanderpas

might be buyable

Ivo Flipse

would it be available?

Macha

Is quicksave out of reach then?

Ivo Flipse

well it might be that users from OTHER trilogy would be able to use the votes then

no idea, was just plugging an idea

alexanderpas

gameover.com is down already for almost 2 years

Ivo Flipse

16:57

thought I answered it, but it seems gone

perhaps they squatted my idea and didn't want it to be public, hehe

alexanderpas

@Ivo, did you add it to the suggestion list?

Ivo Flipse

yeah thought I did

alexanderpas

29

Q: Suggest a domain name for this site

Possible Duplicate: Write an Elevator Pitch / Tagline Note: We are closing this domain naming thread. It is asking the entirely wrong question. See this blog post for details: Domain Names: Wrong Question We're going to keep the name gaming.stackexchange.com. But we WILL be setting ...

discussion top-7 site-attributes domain-name

Ivo Flipse

It makes me weep a little bit inside that you'd rather play a FPS with a gamepad than a mouse + keyboard. Oh well. – Morinar 19 mins ago

amen @Morinar :)

Macha

17:13

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/902/how-can-i-prevent-gaming-sickness

Is this more of a medical question?

alexanderpas

8

A: Suggest a domain name for this site

gameover.com displays a maintaince page for over 2 years according to the Internet Archive, so it might be buyable (creds to Ivo Flipse) nope, subdomains are still in use, so no continues left!

Downvoter

the gaming sickness question is ok IMO

marco.ragogna

rbailey.wordpress.com

Downvoter

let's not prohibit everything neither

Ivo Flipse

else we'll end up like Super User

marco.ragogna

17:15

There are certain kinds of questions that are common to most all proposals, and will certainly net you points. Figure out what they are, and how to use them, for easy gains.

Ivo Flipse

(did I just say that?)

marco.ragogna

this guy is really focused to get some rep

Macha

Yeah, guess we don't want to become MathOverflow.

Ivo Flipse

why would you want high rep on area51?

marco.ragogna

I don't know...

Ivo Flipse

17:17

No I want to become like this: elitistjerks.com/f80/t37900-dots_you_affliction_warlock_thread

Macha

@Ivo High rep on area 51 = more influence when comitting.

alexanderpas

not neccicarily

Ivo Flipse

not so much as the rep from the trilogy

for Jon Skeet, the rep from everything Stack Exchange related is peanuts

alexanderpas

20k+ on over three sites == most influence

Ivo Flipse

I can't even be bothered with that much area51 rep

I have more than I can handle already

alexanderpas

17:24

not to mention diamonds ;)

John Siracusa

I will now demonstrate what I believe to be the great strength and curse of the chat.* initiative by asking a question that is almost certainly answered in a FAQ or other documentation: will the Gaming site have the ability to host full-fledged GameFAQs-type guides, or will such things exist only as an unordered, loosely (tag?) associated set of individual questions?

C. Ross

Gosh ... when do I get close rights ...

random

Didn't we decide against style guides?

Ivo Flipse

no they will (most likely) not change the engine for those questions @John

alexanderpas

@john: link to the question please!

random

17:28

Is it a WoW or LoTR style guide?

Ivo Flipse

but the FAQ tagged questions on Meta.SO are a great example of what can be done:

780

Q: FAQ for Stack Overflow, Server Fault, and Super User

Community FAQ For Stack Overflow, Server Fault, and Super User To see a list of commonly used words and phrases, see the glossary. Questions, answers, and comments What is a closed question? What is a locked question? What is a protected question? What is a favorite question? What is accept ...

support faq

or this one:

446

Q: Twitter image encoding challenge

If a picture's worth 1000 words, how much of a picture can you fit in 140 characters? Note: That's it folks! Bounty deadline is here, and after some tough deliberation, I have decided that Boojum's entry just barely edged out Sam Hocevar's. I will post more detailed notes once I've had a chance ...

unicode twitter compression code-golf challenge

John Siracusa

And why would I ask here instead of going to the site and reading the FAQ and other documentation? Because it's "easier!" And now the chat regulars are supposed to explain why I should not be asking this here and should RTFM and learn how to ask better questions and so on. And in a corner, Jeff quietly weeps—weeps!—for humanity, having now fully recreated everything he hates about IRC. Fin

Ivo Flipse

you think I should have told you to ask that on meta?

random

That question should drop that last bit

C. Ross

How so?

Ivo Flipse

17:32

It's subjective

C. Ross

ah, the evil why word

random

Totally subjective. Player styles aren't the same as game logic.

C. Ross

would "Is there any reason I may want X" subjective

a lot of times I'm trying to figure out what a feature is for

Macha

Reword to "What are some uses?", maybe?

C. Ross

Good point ... that question can stand without it though

alexanderpas

17:35

why seems acceptable in that question if you replace want with need.

marco.ragogna

Dwarf Fortress should be a great game. I see a lot of questions about it :)

Ivo Flipse

true @random, though I'd say that with Starcraft I think they do reflect some highly optimized best practise

Macha

Still a valid question IMO though.

alexanderpas

certainly a valid question!

C. Ross

@marco It's a great game, with an unusually tech savvy and fanatical player base.

Macha

17:36

I finally got it running earlier, but then didn't get to play :(

alexanderpas

however, it is also a hard game and also a source of fun

marco.ragogna

@C.Ross I would try it

Macha

Need to do some more stuff though, get some more x86 libs. Arch really hates putting them in it's main repos :(

marco.ragogna

what do you think about this question?
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1995/planetside-2-in-development

Macha

Rumours, no definite facts. Close.

random

17:38

Would vote to close as too localised (time based/news event)

C. Ross

I lean toward close myself

Ivo Flipse

Voted to close as too localised

marco.ragogna

I voted some hours ago, I did well then ;D agreed

Macha

I'm all out of close votes though.

Kevin Y

Completely localized . . . and not for this site:

gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/2210/…

marco.ragogna

17:40

lol
voted close

Kevin Y

Just a heads up . . . I changed my username from Mew2468 to Kevin Y . . . I felt unprofessional using my Internet username. :P

Macha

Yup. Again, no votes though :(

Kevin Y

Lol. So does this feed just post questions?

C. Ross

Seriously? Isn't that more a game development question?

alexanderpas

too localized, off topic.

and i have no votes left, so i can't vote to close.

random

17:43

Feeds bot will just plug into the specific rooms related new questions posted @mew2468

Ivo Flipse

Just wondering? Go wonder somewhere else...

alexanderpas

Also, don't forget to downvote together with your close vote if applicable.

2

C. Ross

Finally got my 500 rep and so my close vote!

Ivo Flipse

Why would I want to waste my rep on someone, who's question is not worth looking at :P

Arda Xi

That's what I thought

C. Ross

17:48

If a question is egregious enough I'll spend one of mine to downvote, especially if I can't close yet

alexanderpas

because his rep will go down way harder!

C. Ross

twice as hard!

Ivo Flipse

meeh, I normally just comment what I would expect them to do

alexanderpas

-1 rep for 5 people = -10 rep for one person.

Ivo Flipse

but then again, normally my votes are binding, can't really punish any more than that

C. Ross

17:51

Some of us have to make do with our lesser powers @Ivo

Ivo Flipse

normally those people just flag the post and 'make' me do it for them

C. Ross

I figure your time is better spent on spammers and trolls.

alexanderpas

@Ivo yeah, we really need moderators out there, exactly the reason why i volunteered:

meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/211/…

C. Ross

How can you ask someone if you can nominate them for moderator before you do?

Ivo Flipse

well you can't, though if he's in the room he can

but he can just say no, then you delete the proposal

C. Ross

17:58

ok

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