The Bridge

radp

11:05

btw

meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/reputation

danger

1

Q: What is the best mouse specifically for FPS gaming?

Possible Duplicate: What is the best gaming mouse? What is the best combination of mouse / mousepad for FPS games? What professional gamers truly use (when they are not being sponsored by some brand)?

pc first-person-shooter

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Q: What is the best mouse specifically for RTS gaming?

Possible Duplicate: What is the best gaming mouse? What is the best combination of mouse / mousepad for RTS games? What professional gamers truly use (when they are not being sponsored by some brand)?

pc real-time-strategy

Arda Xi

11:21

Uh oh

I hate closing something based on it being a duplicate of a closed question, but it's the only way

Ivo Flipse

Well that's the problem with new sites, that attract new users

they don't know the 'rules' yet

but we can't just let them have their fun either

Arda Xi

We definitely need to amend the FAQ for that

I started on that in the meta question, I think it needs to be worked out further

Ivo Flipse

Indeed

though we need more people voting on those meta topics, since else it's just a few people deciding what the site should be

Arda Xi

Indeed, that's basically what it is right now

I don't think most users care enough to participate on meta (I was guilty of that at first)

Ivo Flipse

for instance, I don't mind games-rec, lists or shopping advices, as long as it's a real and good question

Arda Xi

11:31

mostly specific

Ivo Flipse

and some are just necessary to prevent others from spawning

yes, we'll get a favorite games for X

Arda Xi

so that it's not just our personal preference but actually someone who knows what he wants

Ivo Flipse

just limit the Xs and be done with it

I made a must have app question for Android on the gadgets site, but people have to post a screenshot, a market link, a summary and an explanation why it's great. At least you get more than just: Opera\

It's the same with games for me

the same problem with those class based questions

if you would go to elitistjerks.com, they have whole forums for each separate class

but there at least there's real information, not just links to other sites that link

so the question isn't necessarily the problem, but the quality of the answers

Arda Xi

but there's also the not actually being interested in the question

if you are actually playing one class and need a guide you can ask a question and follow-up on the answers

that's tough to do with 10 questions at once

Ivo Flipse

absolutely true, which is why I would refrain from asking questions about things I haven't played or own

Arda Xi

11:37

also why jeff deleted all those questions antony posted

Ivo Flipse

but heej, it's just beta, I'm sure we can settle these discussions and afterwards just delete (not close) all the questions that were supposed to be off-topic

that way, the site doesn't look cluttered with crappy closed questions either

Arda Xi

kinda hard to delete with no mods (aside from jeff that is)

Ivo Flipse

yeah, I miss my mod abilities on stackexchange

I believe there's a difference between getting 10k rep mod rights and being appointed as a mod

since most of what I'm doing is cleaning up, I don't need much reputation on the site for general housekeeping

Arda Xi

yeah, there's a difference

7

A: 10k controls missing?

No you aren't. 10k's must vote to close like everyone else. The only new ability you get is after 2 days of being closed, you can vote to delete a question. After 3 votes to delete, it is deleted. The advantages of being a 10k+ user are more in the information you get. You can see all flagged p...

Ivo Flipse

plus, I wouldn't want to moderate a site I don't visit myself

Arda Xi

11:41

not that I have mod/10k anywhere

Ivo Flipse

hopefully they'll come up with something quick, so we can clean up

for now, back to work for me!

in time ;-)

Arda Xi

jeff is going to do moderators stuff in a week I think

Macha

12:11

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Q: What is the best mouse specifically for FPS gaming?

Possible Duplicate: What is the best gaming mouse? What is the best combination of mouse / mousepad for FPS games? What professional gamers truly use (when they are not being sponsored by some brand)?

pc first-person-shooter

Still needs one more close vote.

marco.ragogna

I casted the last vote. But it's not an exact duplicate :) Just subjective and argumentative

Macha

@marco.ragog I just followed the majority opinion :P

marco.ragogna

The result is the same. :) np

marco.ragogna

I think we will see a lot of argumentative question in this site, probably more than the trilogy and webapps

Macha

More than SU? :P

marco.ragogna

12:23

Ah ok, I forgot that at the beginnig of SU there were plenty of them. Now the situation on SU instead is very good

marco.ragogna

probably it takes time, natural evolution

Macha

Also: meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/480/… . Personally, I think it's nearly always referred to as the elder scrolls, or TES.

And yeah, same as all the poll questions were getting.

Arda Xi

well yeah, but tags should be short

Macha

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Q: [the-elder-scrolls] vs [elder-scrolls]

Shall we include articles or not? 1x http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/the-elder-scrolls 5x http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/elder-scrolls

support tagging

@Arda It's not that much longer than say:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/visual-studio-2008

Arda Xi

true, but I mean overall

Macha

12:25

stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/visual-studio-2008

Huh, why did go monospaced?

marco.ragogna

0

Q: Do you like the monetary model League of Legends as adopted?

Currently the game is "free to play". They cycle 10 free heroes per week and that is the only limitation. The more you play the more heroes you can unlock with points, so eventually you can have all the heroes. Or you could just pay to unlock all the heroes. Some content you can only buy with...

league-of-legends online-multiplayer free

Macha

Already voted on that one

Arda Xi

Final vote cast.

Macha

Odd: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1975/…, iirc, Zero Hour ran fine without any problems for me on Windows Server 2008 R2 (basically Windows 7 Server).

Arda Xi

It's a lot easier if you put the link on a separate line ;-)

Macha

12:34

3

Q: How can I run C&C Generals Zero Hour on Windows 7

I have Windows 7 64 bit and I'm trying to run C&C Generals Zero Hour on it. Generals itself works fine but Zero Hour just quits after the splash screen. I have the latest version (1.04) and made sure I have latest nVidia drivers etc. I have tried all the ini file tricks and running it in XP ...

windows-7 command-and-conquer cnc-zero-hour

Ivo Flipse

@Macha, if you want to edit a sentence, just press arrow-up and you can remove text so it's just a bare link, like so

Macha

Only works for the last message, seemingly

Arda Xi

only works for a couple of minutes I think

marco.ragogna

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Q: What are the advantages of using the bow in Team Fortress 2

I have recently acquired the bow when playing as a sniper and I have been wondering why should I use it in Team Fortress 2, other than completing some Achievements.

team-fortress-2

marco.ragogna

look a the second answer

marco.ragogna

12:40

I am expecting that now the site is open

marco.ragogna

we will start to see

marco.ragogna

Flame Wars of Console vs PC, Pro vs Noob

Arda Xi

Which is why we'll need mods soon

for now, just flag them

marco.ragogna

I gave my downvote, maybe is enough for these isolated cases

Macha

Hopefully, but yeah, we will need mods soon.

Arda Xi

12:45

look in the starred comments in the top-right

it's a bit pointless to downvote someone with nothing to lose

besides, now I got the Citizen Patrol badge

marco.ragogna

in question like this
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/2035/why-are-the-advantages-of-using-the-bow-in-team-fortress-2
do you think is worth adding a tag like game-tecnique or other is we can just leave team-fortress-2?

Macha

Well, strategy is a better tag name than game-technique :P. But I don't think it's nessecary when it's so game (and class) specific here

marco.ragogna

ok

Arda Xi

can mods delete answers?

Macha

I would imagine so.

Actually, yes they can. Thank you answers always get deleted

Though whether that is 10k mods, or diamond mods, I'm not sure.

Sathya

13:06

morning/evening

Macha

Afternoon :P

Sathya

ah yesh, Afternoon too :p @macha

marco.ragogna

afternoon

marco.ragogna

:)

Arda Xi

10k mods can only cast delete votes on closed questions

most they get is lists it seems

radp

13:16

oh man

I read the titles of the questions right now

and they make me wish so hard I had 1000 rep right now

Arda Xi

why?

radp

What are some good “turn_ed_-based tactics” titles for the PC?

Arda Xi

link?

radp

Why are the advantages of using the bow in Team Fortress 2

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Q: What are some good "turn-based tactics" titles for the PC?

I've always loved "turn-based tactical" games, the kind that are played on a grid. Some examples of my favorites from this genre are: Shining Force series Final Fantasy Tactics series Advance Wars series Fire Emblem series However, I haven't seen new games of this type in years, and I seem t...

pc game-rec turn-based-strategy

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Q: What are the advantages of using the bow in Team Fortress 2

I have recently acquired the bow when playing as a sniper and I have been wondering why should I use it in Team Fortress 2, other than completing some Achievements.

team-fortress-2

Arda Xi

I'll fix them in a sec

radp

13:20

oh and in gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/2021/…, @mechko is kidding right?

Oak

Wooo almost 1k :)

Sathya

I'm so used to voting to close offtopic / dupes in SU, come to gaming.stackex and missing them terribly :(

Macha

I'd imagine so.

I can vote to close here, couldn't on SU/SO :P

Yet I can edit on SO, and could for a while (and nearly can again) on SU, but can't here

Sathya

yeah, I'm making up for that by flagging :p

Oak

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Q: What are some iPhone games to entertain young children?

What are some iPhone games that would be appropriate from kids between 2 and 5? +++ bonus parent points if both fun and educational +++

game-rec iphone children

Oak

13:24

:\

Macha

Should we start cutting down on game rec posts? They're getting ridiculous in their numbers :P

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Q: [game-recommendations] and single, correct answers

On my question asking about game recommendations, the user random asked how such a question can have a single, correct answer. It's a very good question, in my opinion, so I bring it here - especially since it is relevant to all questions tagged [game-recommendations], which is already one of th...

discussion game-recommendations

Downvoter

At first I agreed they were good questions, now I changed my mind

Arda Xi

@badp fixed them

radp

\o/

Arda Xi

@Juan Manuel, I don't think we should be promoting non-canon sources

Macha

13:28

Where do we draw the line though? "What's a good iPhone game for kids?" - way too broad. "What's an open source turn-based RPG game with multiplayer support?" Good/bad?

Arda Xi

25

A: What are the connections between Portal plot and Half-Life 2 plot?

Aperture Science (which is the firm that developed the Portal gun) is in direct competition with Black Mesa (which is the firm for which Gordon Freeman worked) for military contracts See the section Other facts on this link Aperture Science and Black Mesa were bitter rivals. As seen in the P...

@badp I hope he's kidding

radp

bah, I've answered or asked all the questions in my interesting tags :/

Arda Xi

I'm just refreshing unanswered

Is there some kind of SE notifier for new questions as they are asked?

Downvoter

@Arda, meh... it's information, it's stated it's not cannon, it's there -- we are starting to want to disallow everything?

Downvoter

Let's focus on the real problems I say

Arda Xi

13:31

It's not about the game, it's practically fan-fiction

Macha

@Arda I believe there is a RSS feed

radp

@Arda, there should be a way to have the site RSS feed broadcasted in a special room

I have no clue on how to do that however

Arda Xi

that makes it a dissatisfactory answer

radp

you here @balpha?

Downvoter

@Arda, downvote it

Arda Xi

13:32

aside from that it's a great answer

Macha

@badp They have the Feeds bot. The room admin needs to set it up I think. Who is that?

radp

wrong -- who's the room owner here?

Arda Xi

@Juan once he starts giving sources for his timeline I might consider it as a legit source, but so far he hasn't

for example, there's nothing to support the conclusion that gordon was in stasis

Macha

The room mod needs to go to edit in the top right, then paste in the feed link

The feed you need is: gaming.stackexchange.com/feeds

radp

feed link:
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/feeds

Macha

13:36

So, who created the room?

Arda Xi

Juan did I think..

Macha

Then he needs to do that

Ivo Flipse

@Arda Xi, I'm using the feed notifier that was mentioned on Meta ones upon a time

works like a treat

Oak

@Juan - I think I share the same feeling

radp

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/57/gaming-feed

Oak

13:38

I really like the game-recommendations concept, but the amount of questions is getting quite large, some very general

Arda Xi

@Ivo you have a link for that or something?

Ivo Flipse

It would probably be better if the questions in the beginning were more hardcore walkthrough or how-to questions, rather than just lists of lists of lists

Voila @Arda Xi

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Q: Trilogy Addicts - Get "real-time" notifications of new questions.

Disclaimer: This is an application that I developed, but I got permission to post this by asking [email protected] first. Feed Notifier is a Windows application that resides in the system tray and displays pop-up notifications on your desktop when new items arrive in your subscribed RSS or ...

discussion so-family notifications rss tools

Arda Xi

Opinions on this kind of thing?

2

Q: Idling in Team Fortress 2

After the recent class update, I've been trying to increase my play time from 2 to 3 hours per week to 2 to 3 per night in order to receive additional weapon drops. Yet this doesn't seem to be enough to find the weapons that I'm after. My question is: What are the latest methods for idling in T...

steam team-fortress-2

it is strictly disallowed by Valve and a form of cheating

thanks @ivo

Oak

@Ivo well, there are 37 questions tagged game-recommendations out of 646 total questions

Oak

And some of them are already closed

Macha

13:41

@Juan Just to let you know, if you add the feed bot, it dumps the first 10 or so articles from the feed in at once.

Ivo Flipse

I want a new close reason @Arda: close as asking for cheats

radp

o.O

cheats are offtopic?

Arda Xi

I'm not sure

radp

I mean, as Jeff said chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/chats/message/11470

Oak

@badp I'd say that cheats in multiplayer games should be

Oak

13:43

Like wallhacks and aimbots

Ivo Flipse

I can't see Jeff's post your linking too

Macha

@Oak Yeah, even if that one isn't too harmful

Arda Xi

Well yeah, in the case of modding it's caveat lector, but this is disadvantaging other players

Macha

@Ivo It's in the sidebar anyway

Ivo Flipse

well technically I could answer OSX86 questions too, I just think I shouldn't

radp

13:43

[status-success]

Arda Xi

I'll just post it on Meta, at least we'll have something referencable

Oak

@Macha I agree with you actually, but I think Valve looks at it very severely. Should we support questions about subjects that can get you banned?

Oak

(though I don't think this specifically can get you banned)

radp

@oak: cheats also work in single player modes

Arda Xi

yeah, it can, @Oak

radp

13:44

also, cheating is kind of allowed where VAC isn't on

Macha

Did that FIFA question about which team you pick get closed/deleted yet? I was about to post it and it seems to be gone

radp

(isn't it the whole point of turning VAC off?)

Oak

@badp I don't mind about single-player cheats, I don't think anyone does

Macha

This bit "Does Valve still actively punish idlers, and if so, how do I avoid this" is closeworthy though IMO

marco.ragogna

Idling using Team Fortress2 client is not cheating

radp

13:45

@oak -- yes, but both TF2 and Q3A have a single player mode vs bots ;)

Macha

Not Off topic though :P It relates to games..

Ivo Flipse

@Oak, 37 games-rec's still makes for 5 per day...

radp

besides

Arda Xi

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Q: How do we stand on cheats, in particularly for multiplayer games?

This was prompted by this question: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/2082/idling-in-team-fortress-2 Seeing as this is a form of cheating, what is our official stance? Do we allow cheats, caveat lector? This is considered a bannable offence by Valve.

discussion site-policies cheating

Ivo Flipse

AFKing during pvp in WoW would result in getting kicked, so it's not wanted @marco

Arda Xi

13:46

@marco I've seen peoeple banned for it, or at least their weapons taken away

marco.ragogna

@arda xi

Macha

@marco Valve decides what is cheating in their games.

Sathya

Let it remain, with the disclaimer @Arda

marco.ragogna

Valve does not recognizer idlers as cheaters

Arda Xi

I think the whole point here is that it's a bannable offence

Yes, they do

People have been banned for connecting to an idler server for example

marco.ragogna

13:49

that was when Drunken_F00l released the idle client. After that Valve accepted that some users idle on the TF2 Servers, using the TF2 client. That was the mainly reason for the weekly drop caps

radp

So let me get this straight

Macha

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1760/xbox-reliability-how-many-xbox-360-consoles-have-you-gone-through

Argumentative?

Arda Xi

After that too, I should know, I've worked on idlers

radp

breaking the law (DMCA) -- ok
getting banned -- not ok

Arda Xi

(OpenSteamWorks)

since when do we allow breaking the DMCA?

radp

13:50

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Q: Will I brick my Wii if I install HomeBrew?

I've heard about the HomeBrew stuff (wiki) that'll let me download and install simple games and even write my own, but is it fully compatible with the latest updates? I've heard horror stories of people bricking their Wii's.

wii

Arda Xi

that's not breaking the DMCA in any way

radp

oh, so that's not circumventing protections etc.?

Arda Xi

No

not in and of itself

Oak

@Macha I wouldn't say argumentative, though it feels a bit off-topic

radp

well, same for cheating

Arda Xi

13:51

it can be used for circumvention, but it's not the primary goal

cheating has only one goal, disadvantaging other players

in multiplayer that is, which is why I made that distinction

radp

people will cheat, whether or not you talk about it

so why not talk about it?

to make it harder for us to tell cheat from skills?

Oak

Let them talk about it elsewhere

Arda Xi

because that's helping them directly

and seeing the nature of the SE sites you're then promoting cheating, which is undesirable

radp

meh, they don't need our help to cheat; many of the cheats are for pay anyway

which is the real disgrace

Arda Xi

Well, if they don't need our help I say we don't help them

radp

13:53

we do need their help to tell what cheats can and can't do

Ivo Flipse

people will also download warez and watch pr0n, doesn't mean I have to help them make it easy

Arda Xi

Exactly.

radp

watching pr0n is illegal now?

or will get you banned?

Arda Xi

depends on the jurisdiction ;-)

Ivo Flipse

we should be aiming at helping people upping their game by skill and expert answers ;-)

Macha

13:54

For multiplatform games, is it better to tag them with each platform, or just some multiplatform tag? e.g.

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1831/collecting-all-feathers-and-glyphs-in-assassins-creed-2

Ivo Flipse

depends on how old the actors are @badp ;-)

Sathya

each platform @macha

Arda Xi

but if you look at this site's target audience most of them won't be allowed

radp

heh, @ivo

Ivo Flipse

but they are banned from StackExchange, because they get us banned by spam filters

Arda Xi

13:55

We're already banned by filters by the way

radp

does this platform-wide policy cover cheat sites?

Macha

I have to go, for now.

radp

if yes then there's nothing to discuss

Ivo Flipse

bye ;-)

marco.ragogna

ciao

Arda Xi

13:56

@badp it should

radp

does it or does it not ? We don't get to decide on that...

Arda Xi

I'm not sure, @Ivo knows it better than I

Ivo Flipse

what do you mean with platform-wide policy?

radp

"banned from StackExchange"

Ivo Flipse

for cheating? no off course not

Arda Xi

13:58

oh right, I lost track there

Ivo Flipse

pr0n get's you suspended, because the site else get's banned

they discussed that over at webapps

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