The Bridge

radp

2:00 PM

and comparing cheat questions to lists questions is not fair, because cheat questions are still questions, while lists questions are mostly noise

Arda Xi

@badp it has nothing to do with spam, answering questions is promoting those questions

we don't want to promote malicious behaviour

radp

I just don't think that the dark side of IT stops existing if you pretend really hard people can't use debuggers

the dark side of IT stops existing when you fight it

Arda Xi

That doesn't mean we have to endorse it

radp

know thy enemy!

</phylosophical-blabber>

Arda Xi

answering these questions equals endorsing them

radp

2:01 PM

I have an exam in 30 mins

later

Arda Xi

know thy enemy, don't join thy enemy

radp

Helping you and killing you are not mutually exclusive. --GLaDOS

Arda Xi

We're not an evil robot bent on killing people with neurotoxins

marco.ragogna

10

Q: What is Steam? DRM?

What exactly is Steam? Isn't it DRM? What can I do with it?

radp

Cheaters are people face the facts!!

Arda Xi

2:03 PM

Working on that question actually marco

marco.ragogna

>)

marco.ragogna

it seems a bit subjective written in this way

Arda Xi

doesn't really seem that way to me

Oak

It feels like the author already knows the answer :)

radp

[status-bbl-css]

Sathya

2:04 PM

man those guys in gaming are fsat :(

Oak

But that's okay

Arda Xi

@badp that sounds more like an advertisement than an answer

Oak

Now that I have 1k, should I edit the title of these kind of questions to replace best with good (or something)?

Oak

1

Q: Best PC games that support gamepads?

I have gamepads but have not found any games that could be played with. Also i am on Windows 7.

pc

Oak

Or maybe to "what"

radp

2:06 PM

@arda? Is that not a list of features that makes Steam "good" DRM?

Arda Xi

doesn't make it less of a List of X question

Oak

No, no it doesn't

radp

I'm answering to the "Isn't it DRM?" part mainly

Arda Xi

No questions asked. No licenses. No CD keys. Zero click installs. Tons of offers. Buy now and get a free demo!

radp

what?

I didn't say that.

Arda Xi

2:07 PM

that's the way it sounds like to me, it's kind of a list

I know you didn't, that's why I seperated it from the rest

radp

eh, feel free to read it as you like. I'm in a rush now, no time to elaborate

Oak

I liked badp's answer :)

Oak

But I upvoted Arda because of one single sentence:

Oak

"It allows you to buy games "

Oak

First things first!

Arda Xi

2:08 PM

I love playing Captain Obvious

Sathya

Leave us poor folks to answer :( @badp @arda at this rate I'll always be at 100 rep :p

Arda Xi

I'm stuck at 1455 for a couple hours...

Oak

Poor you

Arda Xi

oh by the way, @oak I accepted your answer on meta

Oak

What question?

Arda Xi

2:10 PM

cheats one

9

Q: How do we stand on cheats, in particularly for multiplayer games?

This was prompted by this question: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/2082/idling-in-team-fortress-2 Seeing as this is a form of cheating, what is our official stance? Do we allow cheats, caveat lector? This is considered a bannable offence by Valve.

discussion site-policies cheating

Oak

A bit unfair to accept answers on [discussion] questions :)

Oak

though I just despise multiplayer cheats SO much

alexanderpas

c'mon... don't go asking for the best... gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1996/…

1

Q: Where can I find Air Traffic Simulation games?

Does anyone know where I can locate games of this rare genre?

game-rec air-traffic-simulation

Arda Xi

well, accepting is a form of showing consensus, and this is what I think most people here agreed on too

Sathya

@alexander already flagged

Arda Xi

2:12 PM

We need to put that in the FAQ ASAP

Oak

Yea, I felt my bold sentence will be convincing

Arda Xi

I started working on clarifying it a bit more

Sathya

it was @oak

Arda Xi

9

A: What should our FAQ contain?

What kind of questions should I not ask here? Avoid asking questions that are subjective, argumentative, or require extended discussion. This is not a discussion board, this is a place for questions that can be answered! If you want to talk about the site itself, please don't do it here. Visit ...

Ivo Flipse

how awesome a friend of mine perhaps has a job for me at Guerrilla Games to test games ;-)

Oak

2:16 PM

poof I'm gone

Ivo Flipse

you release that best often is just semantics? I have several questions with best in the title, but it's not like I'm asking for a perfect solution, just one that get's the job done better than I did it with just trying

Funny that this question of mine got closed as subjective:

gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/132/…

while another was let alive

alexanderpas

which one?

Ivo Flipse

24

Q: What Tower Defense games are available for the PC?

I like playing strategic/puzzle games and now I'm looking for a good Tower Defense game for the PC. Doesn't matter if it's Flash-based or if I can buy it somewhere. Any suggestions? Edit by Gnoupi: To keep things clear, please propose only one game per answer, and don't duplicate the proposi...

game-rec strategy tower-defense puzzle

I mainly asked the PC game question so we could roll up any other pc-related 'must have' question into this one

Macha

Do we have a policy on tag names for genres?

http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/494/do-we-use-abbreviations-in-genre-names

alexanderpas

I think the difference is a good ([game recommendation]) v.s. your favorite

use [*-series] [*-universe] or similar

Ivo Flipse

2:23 PM

true @alexanderpa but your favorite can also be mine ;-) and I just wanted a nice compilation of classics or best games ever

that way, that question about: i'm bored give me something to do

is easily answered: make a pick from there!

alexanderpas

best game ever is subject to change.

Ivo Flipse

off course, but you name me the best AAA games of the last 5 years and only really the best

that list won't be long

what's the best Final Fantasy game?

alexanderpas

see... subjective and argumentive

Ivo Flipse

every list question is subjective, but that doesn't make it less useful

subjective?

superuser.com/questions/4714/…

Macha

@Ivo Locked

Ivo Flipse

2:28 PM

have a look at the front page of the most voted question on SU

superuser.com/questions?sort=votes

locked is to prevent spam, not closed ;-)

Macha

@Ivo Locked = no answers, comments, or votes?

@Ivo So it's even harsher than closed.

You can vote on closed questions

Also, all those list questions on the front page are locked.

Ivo Flipse

no, it's like closed, but votes are still allowed, isn't it?

Macha

@Ivo No, try for yourself.

alexanderpas

we don't want those yet, we're still bootstrapping, allowing one or two when the site is running

Ivo Flipse

well I just said it in the moderator channel that they should be converted to protected rather than locked

but you're right @alexanderpa

alexanderpas

2:30 PM

might be acceptable, but now, it is not good for the health of the site

Ivo Flipse

but it's rather harsh that others were left open later, while they could have been closed as dupes of mine ;-)

but I totally agree, we need Elitistjerks.com like content

Macha

Should we retag fps to first-person-shooter? It's ambiguous, could also mean frames-per-second.

Arda Xi

possibly, but as long as the fps tag exists people will use it

alexanderpas

disallow the fps tag!

Ivo Flipse

don't think retagging is that hard as a mod, but they shouldn't be using it for frames per second too, else well I'm fucked :P

Macha

2:40 PM

Even retagging the 4 rts questions got me captcha'd the second third and fourth time.

alexanderpas

frames per second, first person shooter, too amiguous

Ivo Flipse

yeah, it's probably better to have a mod do it (which we don't really have)

Arda Xi

Except @Jeff

Ivo Flipse

who's that? :P

Arda Xi

2

Q: What is the best selling game of all time?

At least up until now. And is there a list somewhere?

sales

Can we just ban the word best?

alexanderpas

2:42 PM

hmm...

sounds tasty!

4 close votes remaining.

Ivo Flipse

in fact it's not what is the good selling game of all time, but really best ;-)

Macha

best selling

= number of sales

= fact

But too localised, so :p

Ivo Flipse

so were against trivia questions?

than why do we allow questions about gaming terms, like hitbox

Macha

It could be out of date in 3 months.

alexanderpas

and then, another game comes by that sells even better!

Arda Xi

2:44 PM

Well, no, in this case it's just way too localised

Ivo Flipse

that one is reaping rep

Arda Xi

the best selling game of all time switches a lot

Ivo Flipse

then we update the question, since it's CW @alex

best selling movie sure as hell didn't

Arda Xi

We closed for that reason before

Okay, what is the best selling game of all time then?

Ivo Flipse

and best selling = nintendo franchise and the like, they don't change at all ;-)

@Marc, get us SE-sites some mods will you!

Macha

2:46 PM

Speaking of hitbox - some L4D2 server caused my game to start displaying them, and I had to restart to get rid of them :(

Sathya

@ivo SuperUser room, please

Arda Xi

why would you want to, @Macha?

Marc Gravell

@Ivo - what now?

(did I miss something)

Macha

@Arda How unpredictable are zombies going to get? Besides, the big red lines coming out of my axe showing the impact (I think) every time I swung got annoying.

Arda Xi

Oh, campaign, I thought in versus :P

That's interesting, according to Wikipedia the best selling game is Wii Sports

not too surprising actually, it came with every copy of the Wii of course

alexanderpas

2:49 PM

best selling game is Wii Sports, Wii Play or Nintendogs (5 versions together), dependant on hardware/console tie-in limits

List of best-selling video games

This is a list of video games that have sold or shipped at least one million copies on a single platform (unless otherwise noted), including the top ten best-selling franchises. Consoles Atari Atari 2600 Atari 2600 games that have sold or shipped at least one million copies. *Pac-Man (7 million) *Pitfall! (4 million) *Missile Command (2.5 million) *Demon Attack (2 million) *E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1.5 million) *Adventure (1 million) *Atlantis (1 million) *Cosmic Ark (1 million) *Kaboom! (1 million) *Megamania (1 million) *River Raid (1 million) *Space Invaders (1 million) Mattel I...

Ivo Flipse

@Marc no, but we apparantly need some cleaning up

I already answered that @alexanderpas ;-)

Arda Xi

ChrisF seems to be on a streak to retag everything now

rlb.usa

Is the Gaming Beta doing okay in terms of being able to make it to non-Beta?

rlb.usa

Er, whatever's after Beta

Ivo Flipse

no idea

Arda Xi

2:54 PM

We got like 80 days for that though

alexanderpas

we already doubled our userbase after leaving private beta!

Ivo Flipse

We're at nearly 1.4% of SU's amount of questions. Given we're here for just a week, I'd say not bad

alexanderpas

and 2/3 of web applications questions.

Macha

Well, we were always going to outdo them :P

alexanderpas

well, It is my opinion, webapps is healty enough, so if we outdo them...

Macha

2:57 PM

We do have a bit of a problem with subjective questions though

Ivo Flipse

gaming is an experience, off course it's bound to be subjective

not every game gives you battle reports like Starcraft or World of Warcraft

alexanderpas

every game has facts, and that is where we should deliver!

Macha

Odd, I got my commit back for gaming, but not for webapps.

Arda Xi

How active were you on webapps?

rlb.usa

GameCrush is in private beta now, lololol

Macha

3:01 PM

2 Qs, 3 answers, 5 badges

235 rep

Arda Xi

not sure if that qualifies his algorithm

alexanderpas

@rib a 18 U.S.C 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements Compliance Statement???

@Macha 2Q is too low for sure, as you have promised to make at least three questions!

Arda Xi

I only asked one question on Gaming and I got my commit back

Macha

@alexanderpas Everyone already asked mine before I got there :(

Arda Xi

for gaming that is

Macha

3:04 PM

I have 6/25 on gaming. Q/A

Ivo Flipse

the problem for me is I have so little time to play my games, that I don't really have question atm

alexanderpas

12/18 here.

Arda Xi

1/41

Macha

Hmm, I only have 2 Qs on webmasters too, time to think of a third one.

alexanderpas

I think we should have a too generic close reason

8

Q: Suggestions for games playable on Linux

Which games do you play on Linux? Which ones do you recommend? I am asking this since finding good quality games for Linux is rather difficult. I am not looking for any particular genre, or an other criteria. Free/Paid/Open-source are all fine. Just that they should be playable natively, not th...

game-rec linux

Arda Xi

3:10 PM

Not a real question satisfies that

Ivo Flipse

and the chat-squad killed yet another question!

hehe

Arda Xi

:D

rlb.usa

/me hides my recent questions

Macha

We are in danger of becoming a cabal :P

We should all ban ourselves :P

alexanderpas

seems like the chat is almost a moderator channel ;)

rlb.usa

3:12 PM

What's this? area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/13347/linux

rlb.usa

Linux : Proposed Q&A site for ferramoscaroberto

rlb.usa

For a what?

Ivo Flipse

6

Q: Why do you need a SS for some Korean games?

For some Korean games, you need a Korean Social Security number to play. I don't understand, why is it a requirement? What's the justification?

region-locked

this one @rlb.usa?

alexanderpas

flagged the area51 proposal

and that's a very good question.

rlb.usa

What's a good question

alexanderpas

3:15 PM

6

Q: Why do you need a SS for some Korean games?

For some Korean games, you need a Korean Social Security number to play. I don't understand, why is it a requirement? What's the justification?

region-locked

rlb.usa

I was worried it would get closed, but I have always wondered, I don't get it.

Arda Xi

I can imagine it has something to do with them only wanting Korean gamers

Laws perhaps?

Macha

Why does Gmail want a phone number? A lot of things want too much information.

rlb.usa

I wondered if it had to do with tracking time - like how WoW has to because players have died

Arda Xi

Wait what?

alexanderpas

3:17 PM

I know something about the requirement (law) to be yourself on the internet in north korea.

but not enough to answer the question :(

Ivo Flipse

So they can text you a code if you need to restore your gmail @Mac?

Arda Xi

@Ivo I think it has more to do with making sure there's a real person wanting Gmail

not just a spammer

Macha

@Ivo: Recovery questions? Secondary email addresses?

Ivo Flipse

which you always forget ;-)

Marc Gravell

Aha! Fixed cross-room notifications.

Me did a stoooopid.

Ivo Flipse

3:20 PM

I don't have a phone. Can I sign up?

If you're trying to sign up for a Google Account, you may be asked to provide a phone number to verify your identity -- you have the option to use SMS verification or our Voice Call option.

If you choose SMS verification, make sure the phone you use has text-messaging capabilities. If you don't have a mobile phone and are prompted to enter your phone number, you may want to ask a friend if you can use his or her number to receive a code via SMS.

Note: SMS verification is not available in Japan or Iran.

Macha

That said, my recovery question answer is always a secondary password. People know the name of my first pet, and the name of my primary school, etc., etc.

Ivo Flipse

mail.google.com/support/bin/…

what was wrong then @Marc?

Marc Gravell

I completely re-wrote the event queue etc today.

All looking good, except in one check...

for things like cross-room notifications, I mixed up "originator" and "target"

So if I mentioned you, I would get the "you've been mentioned" update in the client

(the database knew who said what - it was just the "which events do I deliver to which client" that was borked)

Macha

Are we allowed put status-completed tags on our own questions?

Nope

Marc Gravell

where?

Macha

3:29 PM

2

Q: Do we use abbreviations in genre names? [Completed]

I know this has been asked about games, but what about genres? [rts] - 4 (one closed) - 0 [real-time-strategy] - 3 7 [tbs] - 0 [turn-based-strategy] - 8 [rpg] - 6 [mmorpg] - 6 Longer forms - 0 (leave alone as per answers) [first-person-shooter] - 1 18 [fps] - 18 0 For SEO purposes, the full ...

discussion tags

alexanderpas

just accept an answer.

Macha

@Marc on MGSE (Wow, we need a better acronym :P)

Marc Gravell

(sorry, my bad - the room is obviously "gaming")

Macha

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1466/suggestions-for-a-real-time-strategic-space-fleet-game

More subjective stuff?

Arda Xi

Nah, that's specific enough

he seems to actually have specifics of what he's lookingfor

Ivo Flipse

3:39 PM

Metal Gear Solid Exchange?

Macha

And meta

Arda Xi

Oh, where'd that come from?

Downvoter

I'm back

Downvoter

sorry

Downvoter

I was in a meeting

Downvoter

3:42 PM

(yes, I'm at work)

Ivo Flipse

your not the only one @Juan

Arda Xi

Hey, it works for Jon Skeet

Downvoter

I added the feed as it was discussed a few hours ago :P

Arda Xi

and now the notifier is useless again

:D

Macha

/me had intended to get some work done :P Damn you GSE! (When does it get it's domain btw?)

Arda Xi

3:44 PM

then again, it isn't really fast

Macha

It's about once every ten minutes, I think

Arda Xi

This website is turning out as a good place to find new games to play too

Macha

/me is tempted to play Dwarf Fortress now, even if I'm not hardcore enough

Arda Xi

exactly, me too

Ivo Flipse

don't even know what it is

Arda Xi

3:50 PM

me neither

Ivo Flipse

I'm just trying to resist the temptation to start playing WoW:Cataclysm

been clean for 1,5y should keep it that way

Arda Xi

I just quit every MMO altogether, the paid ones anyway

Macha

I used to call myself a casual gamer, and then out ccame the Wii, and redefined casual, and every gamer before that moved into the new hardcore :( And people think we all like playing games that are either constant shooting, or the child of a history book and an excel spreadsheet :(

/endrant

Arda Xi

You can combine the two, try Typing of the Dead ;-)

Ivo Flipse

don't think I can beat the final level there, it's a bitch if your not natively english-speaking

Macha

3:52 PM

I actually don't get into MMOs. I used to play Runescape, got bored, the WoW trial bored me away, and I'm not going to renew Eve after the first month.

Ivo Flipse

then you just had an unfortunate wow trial ;-)

Arda Xi

@Ivo just gotta practice ;-)

Ivo Flipse

I tried discovering the world at level 4, painful experience if you don't read tutorials

Arda Xi

discovering the world?

Macha

Woah, I already have df downloaded. Don't remember doing that

Ivo Flipse

3:54 PM

yeah, I just ran around looking for quests, didn't know where to go

managed to get into stranglethorn vale as a level 4 :P

Arda Xi

oh right, wow

Ivo Flipse

thought the lack of !'s was a bit strange hehe

and everything kept trying to kill me

but WoW was the most fun when raiding or PVPing

alexanderpas

@Macha exactly the reason why I only play Guild Wars, I can take a break whenever I want.

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