The Bridge

Grace Note

15:01

Yes, yes they do.

I still need to beat Knightmare difficulty of Maid Samba...

Ben Brocka

You can record your replays and upload them to youtube from the PSN versions too, though they have pretty bleh quality

I don't even want to think about nightmare mode in Hitogata Happa

Kreuzer is barely possible on easy, and I can practically ace the rest of the game (on easy)

badp

@Sterno it does have gigantic buttons.

Ben Brocka

@GraceNote is it a group of developers then? I couldn't glean much from their (google translated) site

badp

and... a lot of ™s and (TM)s.

Grace Note

@BenBrocka They're a full circle, I believe, so more than one person typically. Couldn't tell you if the voice talents were in house or not, though.

Ben Brocka

15:04

@badp If you so much THINK Dead Space (TM R C EA GAMES FOREVER) without giving proper attribution EA will break down your door and murder your family

Grace Note

@BenBrocka I showed the difficulty differences between the second stage of Maid Samba to a friend of mine once. On seeing the last one, his comment was "This looks like a Rube Goldberg machine of death."

@BenBrocka But... what about our Dead Space 2 script?

Ben Brocka

YOU SHALL BE SUED

@GraceNote Easy -> Nightmare in Hitogata Happa is crazy too

There's like 40x as many bullets and many enemies get new attacks

GnomeSlice

How about a sneaky prize draw right now? First winner of the Alpha Fund @indieroyale giveaway is @GnomeSlice. Congrats!

Tweeted by BacklogJourney on February 28, 2012 at 4:46 AM

Ah.... anyone want one?

Grace Note

Hum?

(Also, congratulations!)

GnomeSlice

I already bought it.

Hah.

@GraceNote indieroyale.com

Ben Brocka

15:13

@GraceNote So you've got PSN? Have you played Crescent Pale Mist?

Grace Note

@BenBrocka I don't yet have PSN, but I've got a PS3 that's kinda been waiting.

But it's on the list

GnomeSlice

Hmmmm....

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice Hum. I'm interested in only a single one of those three, so I'll let it be seen if someone else is more interested in the full package - they should have more precedence.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice MY word.

Someones lucky today.

Lazers

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Q: How to optimize your chances to catch a survivor with your special infected?

Everyone knows how glitchy hitboxes can be with the Source engine. Its a problem for Left4dead just as it is any other Source game (TF2, CSS, etc). But some friends and I have the feeling that it became even worse in Left4dead 2, especially while playing the special infected (more specifically ...

GnomeSlice

15:21

@Wipqozn They were giving out five copies to people who retweeted it, and I was the sixth retweet.

Figured I had a goodish chance.

fredley

@GnomeSlice Recursive link is recursive

GnomeSlice

iPhone app iAlbums brings the nostalgic album sleeve into the digital era http://tnw.to/1DU7U by @nfm

Tweeted by TheNextWeb on February 28, 2012 at 3:01 PM

@fredley I'm gonna pass on clicking it, I think.

Wipqozn

town looks like an interesting game.

Ben Brocka

@GraceNote outrageous! Tons of great downloadable games

Grace Note

@BenBrocka This has been more because of a lack of ability to hook up the PS3 to the internet.

GnomeSlice

15:23

@Wipqozn It's been out for quite a while on Gamersgate. I'm surprised it's actually still in Alpha.

@BenBrocka Supersonic Acrobatic Rocket Powered Battle Cars.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice: How is it?

fredley

@GnomeSlice Your browser would notice after a few tries that it was recursive

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn No idea, haven't played any of these yet, haven't had a chance to download them. It looks like a more-modern-graphics dwarf fortress.

Which is also a game I haven't played.

I really only wanted it for the third game in the set though.

Wyv and Keep

fredley

@GnomeSlice It goes here: www.justz.info/mobilemoneymachines/ (← SPAM do not open)

Ben Brocka

@GraceNote Oh, act

GnomeSlice

15:26

@fredley Trend is blocking that, so I'm gonna leave it alone.

fredley

@GnomeSlice It's just an ad, nothing too sinister

badp

@fredley It's spam. I got spammed with that link multiple times

GnomeSlice

What's even funnier is that it was in reply to this:

If anyone is getting like a million texts from me, my phone is throwing a fit. It's repeating like everything. Sorry.

Tweeted by GnomeSlice on February 15, 2012 at 8:41 PM

fredley

@GnomeSlice Well done for broadcasting that your phone's compromised

GnomeSlice

@BenBrocka Tell me you have SARPBC

@fredley It's not, I just have a shitty connection out where I live.

badp

15:28

no youtube I don't want no poker

fredley

@GnomeSlice I live in a city, and you can only get decent reception on one network

@badp tries to think of a humorous way to combine the words 'poker' and 'youtube'

GnomeSlice

Pootube?

fredley

Will YouTube MySpace?

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote Something you may be interested in.

Port of an old DOS top-down shooter.

Grace Note

I think you botched your link

GnomeSlice

15:32

@GraceNote I certainly did.

Fix't.

Grace Note

Oh, that game

GnomeSlice

I hate it when ctrl+v doesn't register.

@GraceNote Why am I not surprised you know of it.

Grace Note

I don't see why you would be surprised, seeing as you tossed it at me on the assumption I'd be interested.

GnomeSlice

I wasn't assuming that you knew the specific game though.

Ian Pugsley

@GnomeSlice Raptor and Tyrian are pretty famous

Ben Brocka

15:34

@GnomeSlice I got it because it was free with PS Plus, haven't played it because I've been using the Vita

GnomeSlice

I got so drunk last night and when I woke up I'd started a business with @mistercw: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-02-28-chime-duo-launch-new-music-game-developer-echo-peak

Tweeted by steishere on February 28, 2012 at 3:28 PM

AWESOME.

@BenBrocka It's for PS3.

Ben Brocka

I know, I haven't been using my ps3

Arda Xi

Oh dear. IBM makes significant breakthrough towards scalable quantum computers

GnomeSlice

@ArdaXi Oh dear?

Arda Xi

Scalable quantum computers have quite a few implications on things like cryptography.

For one, RSA is easy to break using Shor's algorithm.

GnomeSlice

15:39

@GraceNote By the way, you don't own a mac, do you?

Arda Xi

And a lot of encryption happens to be at least partially based on RSA, including TLS (SSL, HTTPS)

GnomeSlice

You lost me at RSA.

And I'm no longer interested, so don't try to explain it.

Ben Brocka

RSA's like, the most common encryption scheme

Ian Pugsley

@ArdaXi available quantum computers just mean a movement to post-quantum cryptography, which I have to imagine will happen fairly rapidly as availability of quantum computers increases

GnomeSlice

Native Cisco VPN on Mac OS X

Arda Xi

15:41

@IanPugsley But really, that move should be happening right now.

Sterno

I think Raptor has been the answer to 2 or 3 ITGs

Arda Xi

So SHA and other cryptographic hash functions are safe from quantum computers, right?

Ian Pugsley

@ArdaXi sounds like an ITSecurity.SE question

badp

Googling for "Bunny Must Die" convinced me that the easiest way to obtain the game is most likely bittorrent :|

Arda Xi

@IanPugsley It seems like a simplistic RTFM question.

badp

15:43

so I'll just say Cave Story is enough metroidvania-alikes for me

GnomeSlice

@badp How was Aquaria, by the way?

Arda Xi

Ben Brocka

@ArdaXi why? The implications of quantum computing on certain algorithms doesn't seem overly obvious

badp

@GnomeSlice Great up until the abyss, then I lost my save game

Arda Xi

@BenBrocka "In contrast, most current symmetric cryptography (symmetric ciphers and hash functions) is secure from quantum computers."

GnomeSlice

15:44

@badp It's a similar style of game though, yes?

Arda Xi

It says that right in one of the papers I have lying around.

GnomeSlice

Would anyone like a key for the indieroyale alpha bundle?

badp

Not sure.

@GnomeSlice Didn't Grace request it?

Ben Brocka

Most? So what's not? And why?

GnomeSlice

@badp Not exactly, she said she only wanted one of the games, so I should give it to someone else.

Grace Note

15:45

@badp I said I was only interested in a single game, so someone who would want the full package would be more deserving.

Ian Pugsley

@ArdaXi that's a pretty specific and easily-findable manual you're proposing people RTFM

badp

Well I'm not going to request it if it means Grace won't get it.

Arda Xi

@BenBrocka I'll just dig up the paper and then think about whether it's a good question.

Ian Pugsley

not to mention evidence behind that would be pretty darn complex - I don't think it would be a bad question

Grace Note

@badp I could just buy the one single game, honestly...

Arda Xi

15:46

It's pretty important to me though since I just spent a lot of time implementing OCRA for security.

Ben Brocka

@badp the only legal way to purchase it does appear to be to buy one of a limited quanty of out of production CDs from Japan (which are japanese only)

badp

@GraceNote I could just buy the bunle too.

@BenBrocka blech

Ben Brocka

And hence you see the inherent problem with Old Media distrobution in a global age

It does NOT work at any scale

And it kills indie developers so I can't imagine why Platine dispotif doesn't have digital distrobution

badp

Yeah, but it's not like the developers are unaware of this or unable to fix it I'm sure

they're probably okay with it.

and/or have signed away their rights to independent/direct/digital distribution when they decided to go with physical distribution

Ben Brocka

I doubt it, it's probably just the distro model they know

Grace Note

15:48

@BenBrocka The culture of that particular indie scene predates the expansion of digital distribution being big.

Ben Brocka

plus maybe crap is different in japan

@GraceNote barf

I certainly hope they didn't sign away rights because of it

Grace Note

Moreover, given that in Japan, they don't have to worry about needing to import stuff on account of being there, it means less need for digital distribution on their end.

Comiket is huge. The following behind it is massive.

Ben Brocka

but it locks out the large majority of the world's population from ever being able to access it :/

GnomeSlice

Does anybody want it or not.

badp

Clearly we need to make stuff the japanese would crave for then request they have a brazilian SSN or somesuch before they can get it.

Ben Brocka

15:49

scalability is built into digital distribution

Grace Note

@BenBrocka Something the language itself already does a fine job of doing.

Ben Brocka

which is why people translate it :/

I'd rather be able to buy a game and use an unoffical patch to translate it than be unable to buy it in the first place

Grace Note

Aye, and it's been the onus of the translators to work on the whole digital distribution angle, since that is where their work greater benefits.

badp

but the translators obviously don't have the right to distribute it in the first place

Ben Brocka

...no it's not, the content still has to legally be availible!

It's the onus of the developer or publisher to make the damn content availible

badp

15:50

There's really no surprise then that Steam turned them down

Grace Note

The devs benefit moreso from the translated version being digitally distributed, but not so much when it isn't yet translated.

GnomeSlice

So...no?

Grace Note

@badp It's the same localization group working with the same circle, so, I would expect that they would've worked out the legal aspect in advance.

Ben Brocka

What I'm saying is they should distribute it in whatever language and let it be translated later, or get an offical translated version after the fact

TZHX

agent86: if someone demanding "Provide me a link" is acceptable, how is using lmgtfy not?

badp

15:52

@GraceNote ...so why can't the developers apply the patch and upload the damn thing onto Steam's servers themselves? I can only think the only reason is they want to remain niche and difficult to get to.

Ben Brocka

killing the means of access prematurely by making it physical only ruins everything

Grace Note

@badp I don't know? I only know that Steam turned them down already.

badp

Yeah, because that's the only way to distribute game digitally.

Wipqozn

What game are you two talking about ?

Ben Brocka

@badp IMO that's what they SHOULD do and I would personally be telling them that if their contact form weren't japanese/if I had reason to believe they'd respond to/understand an English inquiry

badp

15:53

Besides why are you rooting for the game to go on Steam? You don't want any of Steam.

Wipqozn

you three...

or four. Or however many are talking about.

Arda Xi

@Wipqozn Scrolling up might be faster.

GnomeSlice

@badp I hate Steam, but I still like having games there because it means I can't lose them.

Grace Note

@badp I already own the game, so that isn't my concern, but Rockin Android's success is my concern.

badp

"Bunny Must Die", a game we need to get so we make the relevant tag from it!

Ben Brocka

15:54

Bunny Must Die and platine dispositif

Arda Xi

@GnomeSlice Well, that's not really what it means.

badp

And we have like 24 hours left to do so

Ben Brocka

The question was digital distro not steam, but steam would be even better

GnomeSlice

@ArdaXi No, but it means I can't misplace them.

badp

@GraceNote Then go with Desura.

Arda Xi

15:54

@GnomeSlice It means you can lose them through no fault of your own.

Ben Brocka

Platine dispsitif's success and growth is my concern

That's not how Steam has operated :/

Grace Note

@BenBrocka It's also entirely possible that the cost matters are what affects it. It could be widely different how it all works out over there than over here.

Ian Pugsley

@TZHX lmgtfy is snarky; asking for documented evidence of a claim may be pushy but isn't overtly rude

Ben Brocka

It shouldn't be, it's digital

badp

I don't love Desura and I haven't ever bought anything straight from them except for indie royale's, but...

GnomeSlice

15:55

@ArdaXi Yes, but I've never been a victim of cyber-theft, and I don't plan on doing so either, so I should be okay.

Ben Brocka

The physical publication process might be different, but the matter of making things work in a digital age (aside from rights) is largely the same the world over

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote No problem. =]

Ben Brocka

All of this stuff should be country agnostic, that's the problem

Grace Note

It currently ain't, and that's why I'm working with some import shops to try and get better stock to begin with, haha.

TZHX

@Ian when it's the whole point of the question, surely a user can be expected to have googled the issue first?

Ben Brocka

15:57

The digital side of it largely is though

"stock" shouldn't exist

limited quantities in a limited time frame is exactly why I was never part of the import stuff

Grace Note

The culture of that particular indie scene, though, the big Comiket scene, physical is where it's at.

badp

If you have 300 rep you can get Mass Effect 3 for free.

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This is where I kind of get tempted to say "hm why not" but then recall that my GPU won't handle it. It already struggled with the ME2 demo...

Ian Pugsley

@TZHX it sounds like a downvote would be appropriate, but again, LMGTFY is a bit rude (some previous discussion one meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/15650/…)

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