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10:00 PM
I think the safety guide wins for density.
 
That said if a pyro flanks you or something you can just uber whomever is close to you
that'll save both your and your uber-ee's life
 
@RavenDreamer Probably :)
 
plus you have some megaheals to deal for the remainder of the 8 seconds.
 
@Origami you're like GIR
 
I am just trying starting to appreciate Apple' packaging rules :)
 
10:02 PM
Does a rocket one hit kill a scout?
 
I wonder how many Vita customers have sworn to boycott Sony during the different debacles in the past few years
@BenBrocka It certainly can.
Sure range, rocket launcher etc. all matter
or the scout's equpment
 
@BenBrocka direct hit does
 
I mean direct hit
 
@badp I have known for a while now that Sony doesnt care about its consumers.. But I also acknowledge that their technology and hardware is generally more advanced than their competitors :)
 
Forgot there's a wide range of damage now though
 
10:03 PM
@BenBrocka direct hit as being directly hit by the rocket or direct hit the weapon tuned for direct hits?
for example, if the scout has the candy cane, pretty much any rocket will one-shot him.
 
Oh, right...I meant getting hit by a rocket
 
@BenBrocka Typically they leave you in the red
 
Though generally it sounds that my fears of partnering with a scout are very warranted
 
Ok, dimensions of a PS-Vita are Win.
 
I love the Irish.
@LessPop would get a kick outta this guy, I think.
 
10:05 PM
btw since you main medic/engie you need to know about the spy
 
@James it does feel so much nicer than the PSP, the physical thing is just so much better designed
 
were you around for the cloak and dagger?
 
I know spies can use different weapons now, which threw me through a loop
 
@BenBrocka Very much so. No sharp rounded edges any where it sits on my hand.
 
okay, so they have a wide arsenal now. You need to know about the dead ringer then
 
10:06 PM
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@RonanForman I'm gonna cry if you say that one more time.
 
Basically it's a spy watch that doesn't directly hide you or anything
 
I wish I had a game for my Vita. XD
 
I played litterally 3 games after the weapon releases, that was about all I noticed
 
@RavenDreamer Im going to put Wild Arms 3 on mine :D
 
10:07 PM
cloak and dagger is infinite (standing) cloak right?
 
You bring it up and you remain visible, plus you can't shoot,
 
ohh, the playing dead one
 
@Gnome What did you mean by what?
 
Next bit of damage you receive, you feign death and get 6 seconds of total invisiblity (no blinking!)
yeah
 
I intellectually know about several of the weapons in the game but I haven't seen them in use
 
10:08 PM
@RonanForman What is it for?
 
oh okay.
 
I downloaded Lumines demo, but I can't stand the control scheme on the Vita.
 
@badp wait, with weapon or no?
 
I'll stick to my PC copy.
 
@BenBrocka You can't shoot or sap. Just like the regular weapon.
 
10:08 PM
@James is that a good one?
 
@badp This is the dead ringer, not the cloak and dagger. Did I miss something?
 
@RavenDreamer uncharted is awesome
 
@StrixVaria Yes that's the DR, I was just wondering just how far back you stopped playing
 
@BenBrocka Its one of my fav games.. I do believe its a Ps1 or Ps2 game though so be warned :)
 
I stopped playing before any alternate weapons came in
 
10:09 PM
The Cloak and Do Nothing came before the DR hence my question
 
@badp I stopped just after the demoman update where he got the giant sword. Before the Engineer update.
 
I'm just aware of some of them like the dead ringer
 
@BenBrocka That is the game that originally caught my eye
 
@badp These two were both released at the same time as part of the Spy update.
 
10:09 PM
@BenBrocka How about the YER? Your Eternal Reward?
 
nope
 
It's a spy knife that doesn't let you disguise directly
 
@James I thought Wild Arms 3 was a native PSP game
 
When you backstab somebody you effectively replace him
you leave no corpse, you leave no scream, you leave no line in the killfeed etc.
 
10:10 PM
@badp Does the disguise go away when you attack again?
 
@StrixVaria Yes, unless it's a new backstab
Then you gain a new disguise.
 
Still, that's pretty interesting.
Is it useful?
 
It always had a nice spot in my gaming memory because it was a 2D sprite game that had some many sprites the characters looked 3D :)
 
@StrixVaria If you never fail a stab, very. You can get mega chains.
 
@badp other than that it's just a normal disguise though?
 
10:11 PM
@BenBrocka Yeah
 
@BenBrocka PS2
 
huh, only played 1 and 2
 
@Gnome Origami, john and I am making an LP, that's what I drew for it.
 
I'm also going to second any recommendation for playing Wild ARMs 3.
 
Then there's the spycicle. It's like the regular knife but when you catch on fire you can switch to it and you trade the knife for 2 seconds of being fire proof. (Knife comes back after 15 seconds.)
But that's more relevant to people playing pyro.
 
10:13 PM
@James Wait, WA3 is on PSN? o.O
 
Pryo and spy are probably my least played characters
@Shinrai it's a downloadable game for PSP
or vita
 
And I'll third any recommendation. Really, any game in the series is fabulous.
 
Another new thing you need to watch out for as a medic is the engineer's pomson. It's a slow travelling long team-colored projectile going through people. If it hits you you lose 10% uber (or 20% uber). Yeah.
 
@BenBrocka Buh! News to me. I mean, I own them all on PS1/PS2, but still.
 
@Shinrai Aye to that
 
10:14 PM
@badp engie has guns now?
 
Wild Arms is probably my second favorite JRPG franchise. They need to make another already ;_;
 
Like...not-shotgun guns?
 
@BenBrocka It replaces the shotgun, yeah.
 
@Shinrai Yeah I bought the digital version a long time ago.. I even remote from my PSP into my PS3 to play it on my PSP :D
@Shinrai Is the developer who made them still around?
 
The other non-shotgun the engie has is the frontier's justice, which is another shotgun. Sentries feed your gun guaranteed critical hits, but your clip only has 3 shots.
 
10:15 PM
@James I started to say "there isn't even a bad game in the franchise" but I haven't played XF, so...
 
@James Yes
Which reminds me, I need to get Wild ARMs XF for the PSP.
 
Heard about the Fortier's gustice
does that use metal for bullets too or is that another one?
 
You have plenty wrenches too. Mainly the eureka effect, that doesn't let you move buildings (not like you've ever done that) but respawns you on right click.
@BenBrocka Oh no, that's the widowmaker. If you can hit with shotguns it's basically infinite ammo.
 
@Shinrai Ohhh I'm thinking of wild arms XF
 
@James Media.Vision is still around. they most recently worked on Valkyria Chronicles 3, I think.
 
10:16 PM
I think
 
One thing I am confused on is I thought the VITA accepted 2 memory cards, one for storage and one for games.. Is there just the one slot that I see and that is all?
 
@James the actual memory card is at the bottom, the game cartridge goes in the top
 
Ah, they are not the same form factor, Is ee I see.
Thanks @BenBrocka
 
Surprised we didn't get more Vita questions when it released. I'm hoping it takes off, it's a nice device
Annoyed with Sony's digital download pricing and the limited compatibility with digital PSP games though
 
> Chaosforge Forum: DoomRL 0.9.9.6 released with graphics for all!
 
10:23 PM
@James no prob, ask if you have any other questions. I think I figured out the important stuff so far
 
@BenBrocka So, now that I own one.. What good is it? :)
 
@fredley it's about time
 
@Shinrai Wow.. welcome to the conversation man :D
 
@Shinrai Maybe that modding API will finally happen
 
10:24 PM
Whoops! That was meant to be @fredley :D
 
@James Yo
 
penny arcade needs a good CDN or something penny-arcade.com they're always messed up when I try to reach them
 
@fredley I think that's probably the whole point.
 
@Shinrai Huzzah!
 
@James It's an amazing piece of hardware, the controls work amazingly well and there's some neat stuff they can do with the back touch screen/camera/ect. The graphics are superb and the download store works very well and is very practical for the future of gaming
As of yet there aren't TOO many games out for yet it, but I had to get one myself as an interaction geek
 
10:26 PM
@Shinrai The article I read real quick on it is that the 4 man team behind bukkit are actually going to be working with (for?) Mojang in releasing the updated Bukkit API with the releases of Minecraft. After that part is done there is potential that the API will expand to single player as well.
@BenBrocka Hehe, I owned a PS3 for 2 years as a blu-ray player before I finally bought a game for it :D
Still the best upscaling DVD player I have ever seen.
 
It IS a damn good media player
I was the opposite though, I rarely watch movies/ect so it rarely got used for that
 
@BenBrocka Speaking of this, I'm looking for a media player for my Windows PC.
 
Finally bought FLCL and Scott Pilgrim on Blu ray though
 
I use WinAmp currently, but it's awful.
Are there any better alternatives?
NOT ITUNES
 
Use foobar2000
 
10:28 PM
@StrixVaria VLC
 
@StrixVaria What's your beef with Winamp? I've been using it for 15 years with no complaints. :3
 
@StrixVaria Why all the hate?
 
To prevent more people from attempting to answer this question and getting all huffy when it is pointed out that there answer is complete speculation, can we just close it for now? gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/49461/…
 
@agent86 Does VLC have any kind of library functionality?
I like to have playlists and stuff.
 
It's free, it's very light if you don't put heavy customization, and consequently it's also very easy to customize.
 
10:28 PM
@Shinrai Maybe @StrixVaria doesnt support Llama whipping.
 
@StrixVaria I feel like it got added recently, but I don't know.
 
Playlists are easy to setup and you can even queue up playorder within a playlist if you feel like it.
 
Or was it kicks the llama's ass...
 
@GraceNote I'll look into this one.
 
@StrixVaria vlc?
 
10:29 PM
@James I hate Apple as much as or more than I hate EA.
 
@James itunes DOES suck
 
I should clarify, I'm looking for a music player with library functionality.
I use VLC for videos already.
 
I used to use VLC for music but then I got foobar2000 and it's been a much better experience.
 
Pretty much every problem I've had with my ipad has come back to iTunes
 
@GraceNote I've used foobar before, it's not bad.
 
10:30 PM
I do need something with good library functionality but I don't have one at the moment
 
@bwarner I refuse to partake in any Diablo 3 related discussion until I can play it :P
@BenBrocka Oh.. I actually like it.
I hate that it requires QuickTime.. that POS should be rubbed out of existence... but aside from that... it works well..
 
@James I've used it. It's fine (the best compliment an Apple product will ever get from me). I just refuse to use it on principle.
 
Itunes is my quicktime :P
 
@James In general questions about unreleased games should be a no-no, jealousy or not ;)
 
@StrixVaria Not a fan of apple in general?
@BenBrocka Shitty encoding rates and playback controls? :)
 
10:33 PM
you buy an apple product and now you HAVE to install itunes. Sh*t doesn't work without it, so you have to get it, and you have to get quicktime, and out of the box you hate itunes and quicktime just out of spite
 
iPod shuffle is the only good apple product
 
But I've also had lots of problems with it as well
 
but they fucked that up too with the third generation
 
like it totally forgetting 90% of my itunes match library
 
@James Understatement
 
10:33 PM
then the all new 4th gen shuffle is a total clone of the 2nd gen
 
3 mins ago, by StrixVaria
@James I hate Apple as much as or more than I hate EA.
 
and refusing to resync it without manually redoing it
 
I like apple's iPad and iPhone and iPods.. I dislike their computer hardware and OSx.
 
@StrixVaria But how do you REALLY feel? >;3
 
@James The iPad is the stupidest thing ever invented.
 
10:34 PM
@StrixVaria Wow.. and here I am fairly dependent upon mine.. it goes everywhere with me.
 
As a company I hate them to death, as a UX person I understand and appreciate their work quite a bit, but their policies I hate
 
It's like an iPhone but it can't make calls, or like a tablet PC but shittier in every way.
 
@StrixVaria Haha, I hate talking on the phone... so that doesnt bug me at all :D
 
The price point is great, I find it hard to justify a good laptop with tablets being $500
 
@StrixVaria THIS. Why on earth do I want a tablet if I have a smartphone and a computer? I don't understand. I'd buy a convertible tablet/laptop for reading my comic books, maybe.
 
10:35 PM
@StrixVaria I love me so much.
 
phones are old news, we really need to transition over to VOIP for everything
 
But it keeps me connected to just about everything with out needing to be near any of it.. Makes my life sooo much easier because of it.
 
Anyway ducks out of the flamewar to work
 
@James I do all that with my Android phone and I didn't need to shell out whatever stupid amount of money a stupid iPad costs.
 
@James Smartphones do this, too.
AND fit in your pocket, AND make phone calls. (I hate talking on the phone, but it does come in handy.)
 
10:36 PM
@Shinrai True, but the screen space is soo much smaller.. It makes remoting into a server at the office a pain in the ass
 
@James You just described the Internet.
 
Does anyone want a new LoL video tonight?
 
@RonanForman Yes, if I'm in it.
 
Interacting with the iPad (tablets in general) is much easier than using phones. I thought this summed it up well:
 
I like the sound of my own voice.
 
10:37 PM
@OrigamiRobot Ok.. Then the iPad is the best portable interface to the internet I have had to date :)
 
(though I hate the "USE APPLE PRODUCTS FOR EVERTHING" undertone of it)
 
@James If you routinely need to do that sort of thing, that's maybe a justification for one. Maybe. I use Teamviewer just fine on my Epic 4G, though.
 
@BenBrocka I'm sorry, but what in the **** does "I want to immerse." mean?
 
Although I wouldn't want to do anything super intensive on it.
 
play games, read, listen to music, browse the internet. Consumption of media as opposed to creation of it
 
10:38 PM
@BenBrocka And if you don't own any Apple gadgets?
 
@BenBrocka I can do all that on my smartphone.
 
@Shinrai I can log in and reboot a system on my iPhone.. I can log in and read logs and debug a downed system on my iPad. and while I have small and light to desktop replacement laptops... the iPad just wins on ease of keeping it with me.
Plus.. the pinball game I have on it (and GTA 3) is pretty fun to carry along with me as well ;)
 
Does that mean you like the sound of @Origami's voice too?
 
@fredley it means smartphone/tablet/computer. As I said I don't really like the implications of everything being generic mac products...
 
@BenBrocka Meh. What about my laptop?
 
10:39 PM
@James I'm sorry you have had such a bad experience.
 
@OrigamiRobot Sorry I dont follow your line of thought here.
 
@James If the iPad is the best, I can't imagine what other horrors you've been through.
 
Laptop = computer. they're not very different for the purposes of the image
 
@OrigamiRobot Oooh.. THat was a semi-sarcastic response to the person who said I described the internet :P
 
@James That was also me :P
 
10:42 PM
@OrigamiRobot Oh.. well then.. !!!! (all those are for you :))
 
When you buy an Apple product, you pay more to do less.
 
@OrigamiRobot Are you me?
 
@OrigamiRobot I pay more to have access to less of the underneaths.. And I am fine with that.. cause I do not buy an iPad to screw around withthe kernel or to move things around a few pixels or to replace the chat program.
 
Part of the reason the iPad and iPhone do so well is they're not priced to be so unrealistic anymore
 
@StrixVaria My magic 8 ball says "All signs point to yes."
 
10:43 PM
It's, IMO, a big part of why Macs never took off
 
@James The problem with this analogy is that every tablet that is feature-competitive with the iPad to date has been double the price.
 
Gir did always seem more like an Android kinda guy to me
 
@James But nobody is forcing you to do that stuff on other platforms.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz eh, I've never seen a mass marketed $1000 android tablet. The current hot one (transformer prime) is only $600
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz I am just not denying that Apple products are generally over priced.. For me the ease of use and convenience of everything within the project playing nicely together is worth any extra cost that may include.
 
10:45 PM
@BenBrocka Motorola Xoom at launch. Samsung Galaxy at launch.
 
It's like saying "I only ever want half of the sandwich, so I'll pay double to only get half."
 
@James Apple computers are arguably overpriced. Apple has been eating their competitors lunch on pricing in mobile devices since the days of the iPod Nano.
@OrigamiRobot It's more like saying "I only ever want half of the sandwich, so I'll pay the same price (or maybe slightly more) to get that half made with really awesome ingredients, and then hotpressed so I can't pick it apart."
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz BUT I DON'T WANT PICKLES
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz I remember when the iPhone and iPad were announced and their prices were hefty at the time.. Then everyone else jumped into the water and saw that Apple's prices were already on the low end of the spectrum..
 
As for the computer side of things, if you don't see/understand apples cycle now, it's because you're living in 1999. Apple launches new products at extremely competitive price points, but doesn't lower those prices over time as components become cheaper. And because apple launches new products/updates less frequently, they fall behind on pricing.
 
10:47 PM
What I dont agree with is how fast the price scales up simply because I want more storage in the device.. The majority of the cost in storage is the upfront requirements, not the actual space.. that is always the cheaper part (which is why you see drives start at a high price and then scale up to double the size for another fraction of that price).
 
@StrixVaria YOU CAN'T NOT HAVE PICKLES WHEN YOU BUY APPLE
 
@OrigamiRobot I WISH THERE WAS A WAY TO CAPITALIZE A :( FROWNY FACE
 
But every time Apple has done a major notebook update, I have been unable to find a competitors system that matches it for specs/size/price for a comparable price.
 
@OrigamiRobot LoL, That is one of the things I always get a chuckle out of.. What was their motto? Think different? Express yourself? But oh yeah, you can choose option A or option B.. thats it :D
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz But does it fit in a manila folder?!????!??!!!!
 
10:49 PM
@StrixVaria Believe it or not, portability actually matters to some technology users!
 
That is the 1 and only top priority for my laptops.
 
In some cases, it even matters more than performance.
For other users, durability matters even more than that. See: Panasonic Toughbook.
 
I don't even own a laptop.
 
@James That's not just Apple though. The whole industry does that.
 
I can't stand using them.
 
10:50 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz Portability matters quite a bit more than power when you have to constantly fly around the country because your company has offices on each coast of the USA as well as in Canada.
 
@James a fucking men.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Apple does it to a Staggering degree.
 
Or, in my case, constantly drive around the country.
@James Eh, not really, in the case of media devices. Yes, upgrade pricing in computers from Apple is fucktarded beyond belief.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Clearly you need to design a car with an integrated HUD that utilizes a portion of your windshield as a monitor.
 
When I bought my macbook pro for iPhone development the difference between 2GB of RAM and 4GB of RAM on the system was 1000.. altering the price from 2000 to 3000.
There is nothing you can say to convince me that 1/2 to 2/3rds the cost of that machine was the RAM.
 
10:51 PM
In unrelated news, I feel like stabbing some int bots in League.
Anyone to join? ♪
 
@James Yeah, RAM from Apple is a running joke, and really shouldn't even be part of the conversation on the merits of Apple devices. It's like talking about the price of ink cartridges when you're debating HP's merits as a PC maker.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Not really though.. Apple in their PCs are using the same parts as I am in my desktops.. they just add a nice mark up to it.
maybe when they were still Anti Intel/Anti IBM that was the case.. but not in the last 5ish years.
You can get a parts list, go to any website, look up the prices, and Apple's are always notably higher
 
@GraceNote I can join in 25 minutes or so...
I guess you can fit an entire game in before I get home.
 
@James and HP is using the same ink in their printers that I am using in my pen.
 
@StrixVaria Sure, I can wait.
 
10:53 PM
@GraceNote I wish I could :(
 
@James Still at work?
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz I thought it was a well known fact that HP's cheaper printers specifically used the more expensive ink cartridges.
 
I need to play as Jarvan a few more times to see if I want to buy him or not.
 
@GraceNote Yes!! :( I want to play with my Vita and video games!!!!
 
@James Right, but we're not talking about cost of parts vs. cost of whole widget here, because there are clearly a variety of other costs involved in having any company build a computer for you that you don't incur when you build it yourself - or at least, don't incur in a monetary way.
 
10:55 PM
@StrixVaria I'm figuring to try Nautilus, just to have fun. I'm probably going to enjoy some duo-laning with him and my brother on Blitzcrank later in the week.
 
@James Right, my point is, it's absurd to bitch about a widely derided profit center of the company that you as a consumer can completely circumvent by buying elsewhere, when trying to make the point that all of the companies products are terrible.
 
@GraceNote You should definitely do that in PvP for maximum trolling potential.
 
I also know better than to go back to the dealership to get an oil change for my car.
 
@StrixVaria Hey, we could arrange something there.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz I cant though.. I -had- to buy a mac PC to develop for iOS on it.. THeir licensing technically even prohibits developing components outside of their OSx and then linking to them and wrapping them in objective-C API layers.
 
10:57 PM
But I don't think that Nissan makes a lower quality vehicle or that they are somehow, as a company, entirely defective and out to rip me off, simply because my mechanic up the street can do it for 1/5th the price.
 
I always liked laning with Blitz as Morgana.
Pull, pop up+pool, root, gg
 
Heh
 
@James We're not talking about the same thing here. I'm saying that the Mac itself is price competitive, it's just that their pricing for getting a larger hard drive and more RAM is absurd.
Which, quite frankly, it is, an is what I had thought you were bitching about.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Ah ok I thought you meant I didnt have to buy a mac computer at all and I could go elsewhere, hehe.
 
Ok, it's time for me to get off chat and start driving home.
 
10:58 PM
If you are complaining that Macs on the whole are overpriced, even once you acknolwedge that only a sucker buys memory/storage from apple, then I refer you to my earlier comment about the cyclical nature of apples pricing strategy.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz IIRC opening a macbook pro voids your warranty. so I could not just slip in another set of ram due to their proprietary batteries (which I love BTW) :)
 

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