The Bridge - 2013-05-15 (page 4 of 9)

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1:00 PM

@kalina TO be more clear, the issue isn't specifically the volatility of the question. The issue is that in the case of this specific question, the volatility means that the answer will not be meaningful or useful, even if it happens to be accurate this morning.

Speaking of which, updating all those Dwarf Fortress questions will be fun when the next version will (eventually) come out, over a year after the previous one.

@LessPop_MoreFizz which is the argument I made in my meta post

@kalina Almost nothing is in a weekly release and then not in an actual release

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@kalina You realize that if I VTC for a different reason than 4 other people, that information disappears, right?

@LessPop_MoreFizz I am not holding you personally responsible for what happened

1:01 PM

@kalina there's a difference between something that might be patched and something that's inherently volatile

@fredley Gears!!!!

@LessPop_MoreFizz She agrees with you. Disagrees with the four others.

@Sconibulus I said Diablo 3 character builds, this counter argument has already been cancelled out

@LessPop_MoreFizz People suggested showing all close reasons as part of the close system overhaul. I have no idea if that's going in with the changes or when that would happen though, IMO it should show them separately

@badp shhhhh!

1:02 PM

@BenBrocka I don't think that's a good choice

@BenBrocka We need a checkbox list to mark every reason we deem appropriate for one Q.

@badp it would be fine if it showed it in the revision history

@badp Why?

I would be okay with allowing moderators to change the one displayed close reason without having to reopen and close.

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@BenBrocka yeah, that'd be nice. Also tallying Dupe votes separately from other close votes

1:03 PM

still showing just one on the question is the right way of keeping it clean

@kalina Are character builds that volatile? Something that works as a build, with reasons, will remain a useful answer

@BenBrocka I don't think being presented with a bulleted list of close reasons and descriptions thereof would be any more friendly

If the thing it's designed to stop falls out of fashion, so be it, the answer doesn't lose its value

It's like "We've found a list of all the things that are wrong with your question and you're a terrible human being for even thinking of asking here please delete your account immediately"

I can see people trying to compete to make the biggest close box possible by choosing 5 different close reasons on purpose.

@badp Eh people already think that about one close reason. Or a comment. Or an edit.

Maybe just show close reasons with 2 or more votes though

1:04 PM

@BenBrocka They'll think worse with three or so close reasons; especially if one of them is wrong

but the question should be closed regardless

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insertmeanywhere.biz/#/home

/cc @fluttershy

Since I've seen single, totally wrong close reasons on posts before, rarely have I seen two "wtf" close votes on the same post

Nah, but "This question has been closed for being
- likely to solicit debate
- ambiguous
Please consider ..."

Dynamically phrase the close reason depending on just which situation applies.

@badp I would love this.

@FEichinger yeah, part of the overhaul is more specific close reasons

So it's not NARQ, it's specifically "too damn broad" "wtf are you saying bro" etc

1:07 PM

@BenBrocka Yeh, I just hope they don't end up having a long list of separate close reasons where you can only pick one - while, say, three different ones apply.

"Closed as WTF, bro"

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We also need an actual "Confuses badp" close reason.

@FEichinger IT sounded like it would basically be "sub" close reasons. So you pick NARQ then pick the specific reason. I don't know if it would let you pick/display multiple ones though. They were classic Stack Exchange Vague about the whole thing

Something related to closing will change someway at some point in time

@BenBrocka I know... :/

@FEichinger "This question is not a good fit for a Q&A site and it is difficult to tell what is being asked here and it is unlikely to help future visitors and it's already been answered here."

1:10 PM

@badp , bro

Do you use Twitter, bro?

I wish they'd at least start rolling stuff out. Like the "on hold" change. I don't know if it'll make a difference but it might make people freak out less and realize it's a temporary state (sometimes)

@badp Exactly.

@FEichinger "what do you mean it is difficult to tell what is being asked here, I want to tknow what pro players think about zerg crests"

@badp only users Brotter, bro

Brotags instead of hashtags

I don't understand why suddenly twitter

1:13 PM

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Q: Is there a difference between the two different soda bottles in Bad Piggies?

In Bad Piggies there are two different "soda bottles" which propel a craft: one black and one green, as seen here: What is the difference between the two bottles? Unlike other parts such as engines they both appear to have the same power.

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Q: How does stats roll works on item in diablo 3

my question is quite simple : When crafting bracers, amulets, pauldrons or gauntlets for a given stat (int,str,dex or vitality) : the roll of the given stat is for example 201-230 for pauldron. How come you can roll 300+ on the stat then ? Same question for some legendaries like The dead man's ...

@FEichinger I'm just saying that the more wall of text you present to a user when closing the more ground you give them to fight back while ignoring the other four elephants in the room

@badp Not for this particular example. I don't even think we have a fully appropriate reason for that at all.

@badp Twitter is always sudden, violent and leaves no survivors. At least that's how I use Twitter

@BenBrocka 兄tags.

In other words, today's discussion would still have taken place under the proposed change

1:15 PM

@badp Maybe. But we wouldn't have to argue whether this close reason is appropriate. We only do that because neither fully applies.

because the guy would've still been completely absorbed by the "specific time" bit

@FEichinger That makes them both wrong, rather than their combination right, honestly.

@badp The Too Localized reason is probably going to be totally revamped. It's gotta be the most misused/misunderstood close reason

@BenBrocka Yes, I suppose so.

It's just that this overhaul is taking forever to happen and in the meantime the team seems to be completely obsessed by tags in titles

We just received a DM that just said "Wanna fuck?" and then a link. We cannot fuck anybody. We are a coffee shop.

Tweeted by SanditonCoffee on May 13, 2013 at 8:56 PM

@badp the SE team always picks the worst time to obsess over minor things

@badp As I said, I don't think it should've been closed at all. But if the Q were, say "What do pro players think?" rather than W/L, both time-sensitive and not tangible would apply.

1:18 PM

"Hey guys we're gonna revamp Area 51, make a Meta.Stack Exchange and separate it from MSO, and WOAH HEY look let's talk about sarcastic comments for 4 months"

@FEichinger but yknow, that's what the comments area is for

Good morning, Bridge

We don't need a supermagic system to type the words out for us in the 1% of cases where it's useful to.

@badp Currently, yes. But that assumes the user actually reads the comments rather than going crazy over the close reason. And reworking the close reasons to support that would solve a lot of these problems.

In other words, it's bound to create more trouble than it's worth

@FEichinger That's completely orthogonal from choosing to display 1 or multiple

1:21 PM

@badp No, we just replace overlooked comments by more specific and appropriate close reasons.

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Q: restart the game so it thinks you never played

I want to restart the game like I never played it before. This is because i want the farmer to give me the auric amulet and i want to play the game over. Even though i deleted all my characters and saves I still see the cow instead of farmer when i start the game over at normal difficulty. On to...

diablo hellfire

What are we going to do, determine that @Sterno used the wrong close reason and reopen the question with 4 close votes so that somebody else can apply the right close reason and re-close it?

Just the... implications and the overcomplication that this creates makes my brain scream

It's just asking for drama

That was originally tagged with diablo but got edited by someone else to be diablo-3 instead. I do not understand why someone would do that. <_<

It's just asking for trouble

Discussion closed as Confuses @badp

1:22 PM

What'd I close?

@Fluttershy WHY IS THERE PEOPLE THAT IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET

WE TOLD THEM, BRO. WE TOLD THEM ABOUT BEING WRONG ON THE INTERNET

IT KEEPS HAPPENING

o_o That's not the reaction I'm having at all.

@Fluttershy I'm just sighing.

It just flowed nicely into the point I'm making on the entirely unrelated matter of showing vote reasons by closer

I have only closed questions for the absolute best and most accurate close reasons, except the times I didn't.

1:23 PM

and just how terrible this idea is

it will happen that one person will close a question for a wrong reason, perhaps for a misclick you can't fix

and people will obsess over that mistake

Oh, are we arguing? ... I'm sorry.

and this'll create drama etc.

all because of people being wrong on the internet

(hence the connection, see? see? see?)

@Fluttershy That post started out nice, and grammar effort just kinda went downhill.

@Fluttershy everything on the bridge is an argument

Everything in the Bridge is an argument. Anything else is masquerading as an argument.

1:25 PM

even when everybody is agreeing with each other

inb4 @fredley

I'M NOT ARGUING YOU'RE ARGUING

... -.-

@Fluttershy (also it was a reference to sweet bro and hella jeff)

I don't know what that means...

@Fluttershy Do you use Twitter, bro?

1:27 PM

@Fluttershy I could tell you if Chrome wasn't taking 50 seconds to open up a tab

@kalina Nope.

@Fluttershy asif I "bro" people

No one really knows what @badp is talking about we just smile and nod

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@kalina What were you inb4 in particular?

@Fluttershy mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/comoc.php

1:27 PM

2 mins ago, by kalina

@Fluttershy everything on the bridge is an argument

@kalina Oh :(

@fredley sux2bu

@kalina D':

@kalina Y U MAKE ME CRY WITH YOUR WORDS

your mouth is dribbling into your eyes

@kalina Help I'm upside down

1:29 PM

@fbueckert Now I'm struggling to figure out what that hellfire means...

@Fluttershy Expansion to Diablo.

Oh.

Does it need its own tag?

Diablo: Hellfire

Diablo: Hellfire is an expansion pack that Sierra On-Line produced for the video game Diablo. It was released in 1997 and developed by Synergistic Software, a Sierra division. Hellfire is the only authorized expansion pack released for Diablo. Blizzard Entertainment has never released a first-party expansion for Diablo. The original game was later re-released alongside Hellfire in 1998 in a bundle called Diablo + Hellfire. Overview Hellfire is a single-player expansion to Diablo. While there are some multi-player modes that can be unlocked, Hellfire is not playable on Blizzard's onlin...

probably not

@kalina Beat me :(

@OrigamiRobot Kalina beats everyone :(

1:30 PM

All in favor of burninating?

@Fluttershy Aye

it's only on one question

it's not really burninating

more like... editing

You're just contradicting everything I say. That isn't an argument!

burninating is when you edit multiplayer off every question in the space of a few minutes

@kalina Well, I was gonna make it a party, but you just pooped on it.

1:31 PM

@Sterno Yes, it is!

@Fluttershy yay poop

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@FEichinger No it isn't!

poop is such a @spugsley word

@Sterno Yes, it is!

@kalina She does say poop a lot.

1:32 PM

> Is person ask quastion in poor english

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> Is acceptable to wear for a wedding?

@OrigamiRobot How did you find that site again

I'm not clicking

Ok but some has right to make fool of it?? — IAM HERE 41 secs ago

@BenBrocka It's bookmarked for special occasions.

You know you want to.

> how to calculate the head of a fan?

I should make a site that takes Pokemon Fusion and makes it so the pokemon is asking Kopea questinos

1:35 PM

Stop making fool of it, jerks!

@BenBrocka I couldn't help myself

> What can I wear for work experience?

@BenBrocka I would spend all day here.

You're all bad people who should feel bad.

> Is it normal to kill a man in your dreams?

cc: @kalina

have you see my question no one make it poor question. — IAM HERE 25 secs ago

1:37 PM

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@kalina You had to completely rewrite it didn't you?

See, I have a problem with poor English on SO (and, for that matter, also language sites). Programming is very English-centric, one should at least be capable of "understandable" English.

MY BRAIN IS STUCK INTO ARGUE MODE HELP

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@fredley that's what I do.

1:39 PM

IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT

@fredley YES IT IS

@badp No it's not

@fredley I SAID IT IS

Not

Oh no, I'm stuck in a comment reply loop

I wish people would take into consideration that not everybody speaks perfect English.

@kalina Denied

1:40 PM

@kalina non-perfect English is not a problem. But "have you see my question no one make it poor question." is just ridiculous.

@fredley I expect my edit to get denied

@FEichinger To a non-English speaker, people mocking their bad English is insulting

@kalina I'm zorry, I zhould have been more zenzitive to your and @fredley'z pozition.

It specifically states that everybody should be courteous to each other in the FAQ

as such, the people doing the mocking should be punished

never happens though

@kalina That I fully agree with.

@OrigamiRobot Have you burnt your tongue?

1:42 PM

@kalina To be fair, courtesy has to work both ways.

But if you flat-out can't understand what the person is saying - or even believe the person gets what you say - it's not doable.

@FEichinger I have edited many posts on this site that others thought were complete gibberish

@fredley I'm juzt trying to put thingz in termz you can ztand.

I didn't actually see any mocking being done. Not sure if he really means means downvotes/closure/comments or what

I guess I have a natural talent

1:43 PM

And when you get things like this:

I hate this site. This have of psycho peoples sorry to say but can person ask question in poor English?? — IAM HERE 53 mins ago

You do the math.

@FEichinger for i in arguments deal :with[it](8-))

@fredley I'm at wourk.

@OrigamiRobot Just listen to audio

1:44 PM

OH GOD STOP WITH THE SPELLING MISTAKES

launches @OrigamiRobot into the sun

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ORIGAMISUNBOT

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@kalina I didn't respond to this earlier, but FWIW, I have long since forgiven you for your well-established terrible taste in music.

@kalina That's not setting people on fire.

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Friends are able to look past such flaws.

@LessPop_MoreFizz my taste is not terrible

I, in fact, clarified that when I said it was poor, it was in comparison to Daft Punk's earlier works

1:45 PM

@fredley I have no zpeakerz.

@kalina As I said, mocking shouldn't happen, but if a question is not understandable, downvotes and comments asking for it to be phrased better are fully fine.

which are superior to the new album in many ways

@kalina Nope, your taste in music is universally terrible

You have 500GB of music, none of which is worth listening to ever, end of argument

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@kalina Please tell me that you don't include 'Human After All' in that statement.

If you do you have lost all credibility forever and ever on matters musical.

@LessPop_MoreFizz no

first two, mainly discovery

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1:48 PM

Homework > Discovery.

All Daft Punk is better than anything @kalina has produced

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@LessPop_MoreFizz Discovery = Homework > HAA == Tron

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And now it is work time.

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Q: How can i get to the office when i've choosen the "try later"-option?

I had a bestseller and I had the option to move to an office but I wanted to wait (please don't ask). But how can I move now(!) to the office? I can't find any option - neither in the pop up or in the main menu. Edit: The question pop ups just a little bit later again. Stupid question is answere...

game-dev-tycoon

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1:49 PM

@fredley Tron was better than HAA

@fredley not a credible comparison, 20 years of experience in difference

... how the hell is this one upvoted instead of being instantly closed as "too localised"?

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Q: Jacob FIsher and Sarah Hodges (married 7 Oct 1773 in Sharon, MA) - who were their childen?

Page 27 of the Sharon, Massachusetts Vital Records show Jacob Fisher and his wife Sarah had a son Jacob born 30 Apr 1776: Jacob, s. of Jacob and Sarah, Apr. 30, 1776 Page 94 of those records show a marriage record of Jacob Fisher to Sarah Hodges on 7 Oct 1773: Fisher ... Jacob and Sarah Hodge...

research surnames

@kalina Your initial musical offering must outshine Homework for me to take you seriously

@LessPop_MoreFizz Yeah, very different.

In fact ordering is extremely difficult. I probably prefer Discovery as an album over Homework, but I wouldn't say it's better.

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@MartinSojka Because it's basically the core question of the site in question.

And now, I'm off to work. Play nice kids.

Back to this question, the Auric Amulet is actually a Hellfire specific item and his restart woes may be specific to Hellfire as well.

1:52 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz ... but then, isn't the site as a whole a waste of space then? The answer has a good chance of being relevant to only a handful of people - whoever has them in their family tree. It'll be interesting to the small percentage of those who care about their genealogy.

@OrigamiRobot don't make me go edit a bunch of DLC names into questions

I WILL DO IT

@MartinSojka You're only looking at the small picture. They want to map EVERY PERSON ON THE PLANET!

@MartinSojka Because the site in itself is about that, so it actually - relative to the site - isn't localized at all. Relative to the network it sure is.

@MartinSojka don't tell other sites how to run their own site

we don't like it when it's done to us, don't do it to them

@OrigamiRobot There

1:55 PM

@kalina Where did I do that?

6 mins ago, by Martin Sojka

... how the hell is this one upvoted instead of being instantly closed as "too localised"?

Morning, Bridge

afternoon @SaintWacko

SAVE YOURSELF

SO MUCH DRAMA

@kalina That's a question. Telling someone how to do something would require a statement.

@StrixVaria Heh, yeah, venom mages are really powerful against most things, but if something has rPois, you're screwed

@kalina Oh, really?

1:58 PM

@MartinSojka it was leading onto

JUST ACCEPT THAT I AM RIGHT

What else is new? :P

@kalina You are powered by drama

and we will get on much better

@fredley mmm drama

tasty drama

I get 99% of my GDA in drama from the bridge

@kalina Some kind of internal drama combustion engine

it's been a little quiet recently, maybe that's why I've been so tired

1:59 PM

@kalina Nope. I don't work that way.

@MartinSojka You do, because I say you do. Are you suggesting I'm wrong? Do you realise that the world would implode if I was, in fact, wrong?

@kalina Fuck the world then.

What if you were wrong about the world imploding if you were wrong?

lol

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