The Nineteenth Byte

user

00:00

@rak1507 I don't write enough APL to break things, so it's alright

dzaima

{⍵,⍣¯1⊢⍞⊣⍞←⍵}

rak1507

@dzaima nice

Adám

@dzaima Fails too. With an error.

caird coinheringaahing

Most APL I write breaks things, but in the less dangerous version of "break" :P

rak1507

prompt←{0::⎕←'wtf are you doing'⋄⍵,⍣¯1⊢⍞⊣⍞←⍵}

Bubbler

00:02

prompt←{'wtf are you doing'}

Adám

prompt←{i↓⍨¯1+1⍳⍨≠⌿↑⍵(i←⍞)⊣⍞←⍵}

Maybe we should move this to the orchard?

rak1507

@Adám probably fails with spaces and things considering ↑

Adám

No.

dzaima

@Adám I'd prefer my version to a possibility of taking a subset of user input

rak1507

drops upto the first mismatch right? what if you enter ' thing'

Adám

00:04

Oh, that's what you mean.

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Q: Ordered, linear, affine, or relevant?

Background Supplementary reading 1, Supplementary reading 2 Linear lambda calculus is a limited form of lambda calculus, where every bound variable must be used exactly once. For example, \a b c d e -> a b (d c) e is a valid term in linear lambda calculus. When embedded as a logic system, this en...

Adám

prompt←{i↓⍨(≢⍵)⌊+/∧\=⌿↑⍵(i←⍞)⊣⍞←⍵} then

In other words, we need ⎕PROMPT

caird coinheringaahing

How long should I wait before self-answering?

Adám

A week.

Bubbler

Until you feel comfortable to do so

dzaima

00:07

@Adám I'd also prefer an error if the user does something they shouldn't, so there's less chance they do it more until they accidentally type in the prompt as the start of their input

oh wait that's only fixing the space issue

(too lazy to test things on phone)

Adám

@dzaima Having to take such measures, "fighting the system", is not good. I'd rather a reliable function. ⍞ is a strange glyph anyway.

rak1507

yeah, too many edge cases (at least if you allow/expect users to mess around)

dzaima

@Adám i mean, of course, a proper solution is better :)

rak1507

personally I'd just use ⍞ and then if someone breaks it, that's on them :P

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám I would normally wait around a week if there were lots of answers, but the challenge I'm thinking of has 1, and my answer is definitely a base-line answer rather than a guaranteed winner, so I'm thinking a few days instead

Adám

00:10

@rak1507 But it is so hard to use right. ⎕PROMPT would be instantly intuitive.

Maybe even ⎕ALERT instead of {⍞←⍵}¨⊆?

rak1507

@Adám yeah true

I'd definitely use ⎕PROMPT over something hand-rolled if it existed

Adám

There are a few small utils I'd like. Also ⎕ERROR or ⎕THROW or something, as you'll see in my webinar.

And ⎕RESIGNAL

lyxal

00:25

:( we can't have friends in our C++ course

this is so sad

;P

user

@lyxal ?

caird coinheringaahing

@NewPosts I love it when my Jelly fork can golf 3 bytes from my original Jelly answer :P

lyxal

@user they say "no using the friend keyword"

user

Oh lol, didn't know C++ had one

This is kinda nice, I wish Kotlin had it too. companions are nice but friends are better

lyxal

but we aren't allowed to have friends

caird coinheringaahing

00:36

@lyxal Shouldn't be too much of an issue for you, right? :P

lyxal

sussy baka

caird coinheringaahing

amogus

lyxal

w....why does the (unofficial) discord server for our engineering students have one of our lecturers as a pickle as one of the server emotes?

and why have 15 people boosted the server?

caird coinheringaahing

because they turned themselves into a pickle, funniest shit you ever seen

Monica Cellio

00:54

@RedwolfPrograms what should handling of CnR look like? I'm not very familiar with the style of challenge and why it uses two threads now. What would a better solution look like? If you could create new post types or change the behavior of existing ones somehow to better support CnR, what would that look like?

caird coinheringaahing

@MonicaCellio Currently, CnR (and a newer similar version asymmetric) challenges are one group of users competing against another group. Think "This program outputs Hello, World! and only I know the language" vs "I can figure out what language that is". We typically use two threads so that Robbers (those who figure out "what language it is", or whatever the way to "crack" the answer) also get rep for their work

It also allowes Robbers the space to explain their crack that comments generally don't

Redwolf Programs

The format for a CnR is sort of like an answer to an answer, if that makes sense. For changing the behavior to support CnRs with a single question, having a way to sort of "link" the robber answer to the cop, maybe by having it fixed directly underneath it, would probably be the easiest way. It's one of the minor challenge types though, so it's definitely not a "must have" feature by any means.

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Bubbler

Cop answers to a CnR challenge are mini-challenges themselves, so it's somewhat like having a sub-thread of Q&As in the answer section

user

So would robber answers be like super-comments?

Bubbler

01:03

@Bubbler s/a sub-thread of Q&As/multiple mini-Q&A sub-threads/

caird coinheringaahing

I could imagine it being a way for the cop to mark a comment as a "crack", which then awards rep to the robber

Redwolf Programs

@user That's a good description I think, but the super comments would definitely need to award reputation from the voting, so they'd be less super comments and more sub-answers :p

Monica Cellio

It sounds like answers to the cops challenge have answers themselves (for the robbers), kind of? I mean in terms of desired structure, not what exists today. You want the visibility and rep of posts as opposed to comments, and you want clear linking, and any cop might have multiple robbers?

Bubbler

A crack to a good cop often requires more than a comment to explain why it works

caird coinheringaahing

@MonicaCellio Most cops only have 1 robber, but support for multiple would be a cherry on top

Bubbler

01:05

Also yes, a cop can have multiple robbers (if multiple users attempt to crack one at the same time)

(or different approaches)

Redwolf Programs

I think there are some CnRs where robbers can additionally compete for things like byte count, right?

Bubbler

Most of them don't, but theoretically possible

Usually the one competing for byte count is the cops

caird coinheringaahing

The current way of having two threads mostly works, but it could do with a better integration of the two threads

Mostly we rely on linking [Cops thread]() and [Robbers thread](), but a better way to do that would be nice

Redwolf Programs

Plus there's issues like the author getting multiplied rep from having two posts

Monica Cellio

If there are two threads, but the cross-linking were automatic -- you say "I'm robbing this cop" and they'd get wired up -- is that the sort of thing that would help?

Bubbler

01:08

It'd be definitely better to be contained in one "megathread", since the parent of a robber is definitely the corresponding cop, not the "robber thread"

Monica Cellio

Yeah, it sounds like what you really want is questions that have answers that have answers.

caird coinheringaahing

Basically, yeah

Monica Cellio

What would you want that to look like in the UI? Indent the sub-answers, put the robbers behind an expander or something on the cop, something else?

I should clarify that I'm trying to brainstorm; I have no idea how easy or hard things are, but first I want to understand the problem.

Redwolf Programs

I think indentation would be better, since that encourages voting on robbers

Monica Cellio

And you said there's usually just one robber per cop (though there could be more), so it's probably not like challenges where there might be 20 or 100 responders.

Bubbler

01:11

@MonicaCellio Both are exactly what I'd imagine, actually (have an expander on a cop, and robbers when shown are indented once)

caird coinheringaahing

A way for a cop to mark their answer as cracked would be great (e.g. an auto-insert for a link saying [Cracked by user](link))

Monica Cellio

@Bubbler do most cops attract robbers, or are robbers more rare?

Redwolf Programs

@Bubbler Hiding the robber by default is probably not a good idea

caird coinheringaahing

Most CnRs have at least one uncracked answer, and most cracked answers get only one crack

Redwolf Programs

But most cops do get cracked, yeah

Monica Cellio

01:13

@cairdcoinheringaahing we are working on something like reactions now, which can be customized by community, so this seems possible. (By "reactions" I don't mean hearts and smileys and 800 kinds of emoji; I mean things like "this answer is outdated" and "this answer worked for me".)

Is it important to be able to see easily which cops haven't been cracked yet?

caird coinheringaahing

Very much so

Redwolf Programs

A way to filter cracked answers could be cool

Monica Cellio

And it's cracked when the cop says it's cracked, not when there's a robber, right?

Bubbler

Yes

caird coinheringaahing

Sort of. Cops confirming cracks is the typical way, as it double checks the robber hasn't made a mistake. However, it does allow more unsportman cops to refuse to mark their answers as cracked

Additionally, you can often crack an answer in an unintended way, so both the cop and robber have different cracks. Sometimes, people don't consider their answers cracked until their intended way has been found, which is why CnR challenges often have "Any valid crack counts" in their rules

Monica Cellio

01:16

If you wanted to filter cracked answers, how would you tell the difference between "it is but the cop didn't confirm" and "nope, wrong" or "cop hasn't seen it yet"?

caird coinheringaahing

@MonicaCellio If cops could mark crack attempts as "valid" and "invalid", that would work. If the crack is, but wasn't confirmed, that'd be a rarer special case

Monica Cellio

@cairdcoinheringaahing ah, so I wrote my answer in language X, but inadvertently produced something that also works in language Y, and the robber said Y.

caird coinheringaahing

@MonicaCellio Exactly. In the original Programming Language Quiz, multiple answers were unintentionally cracked by Foo, to the point where it became a meme (10k+ sorry)

Monica Cellio

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'll take your word for it, 'cause I sure don't have 10k here. :-)

caird coinheringaahing

That's the third highest voted meme on the page, and has 47 votes :P

Bubbler

01:20

Fooruhstration

Redwolf Programs

Oh no, I stumbled across a cool unicode block and now I feel compelled to create a cursed esolang based on it

caird coinheringaahing

It has more votes than the meme about us graduating :P

> 80

This might have been funny in the past, but since we're actually graduating within the month, I don't see how the cultural height can be listed as "always". – Geobits Aug 31 '15 at 3:39

> 33

@Geobits how the heck did I fall for it here – undergroundmonorail Aug 31 '15 at 11:32

(Sorry if this pings you Geobits)

Redwolf Programs

Also, TIL there is a subscript 10 in unicode

⏨

Monica Cellio

Ok, tell me if I've got this right:
- Robbers should be presented with cops (directly under is best, paired posts with cross-links are the workaround).
- Robbers need room to explain -- posts, not comments.
- Robbers should be votable.
- Cops should be able to mark robbers as correct or incorrect and/or mark their posts as cracked by [username].
- Typically there is a small number (often one) of robbers per cop.
- Filtering for cracked (or uncracked) cops is nice to have.

Is all that correct, and did I miss anything?

caird coinheringaahing

That's all correct, I can't think of anything you've missed

Monica Cellio

01:32

Thanks. I'm going to roll all this around in my brain and then probably try to roll it around in developers' brains and see what comes out. As I said, I don't know how easy or hard any of this is, but if there are things we can plausibly do to make these kinds of challenges easier to manage, I'd like to help.

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms I think that's a "small" 10, not subscript as in ₁₀. It is a single character used by some calculators with 2⏨6 meaning 2E6 or 2×10⁶.

Redwolf Programs

Really? What I read indicated it was meant to be a subscript 10 for indicating a number's in decimal

Oh huh, apparently you're right

It seems to have originated in a soviet punch card standard

Adám

@RedwolfPrograms No, the Soviets didn't have it in their character set, so they allowed ю

Redwolf Programs

Ah, ok. I'm just skimming wikipedia articles :p

Redwolf Programs

01:54

TFW you realize ptr[0] and 0[ptr] are the same thing in C

Bubbler

Jul 29 at 0:04, by Bubbler

Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing I spent way too long trying to figure out why O0 was printing the smallest number in the stack instead of the first number in the stack before I remembered that the whole point of Deorst is sorting the stack. :/

caird coinheringaahing

> the whole point of Deorst is sorting ~~the stack~~

FTFY :P

Each line is sorted as well :P

Aaron Miller

Oh right, lol

caird coinheringaahing

If you sort "sorted", you get "deorst" :P

Aaron Miller

02:07

> Deorst (as you can tell from the name) is all about sorting, including the source code.

Yes, that was the first thing I noticed when I saw the name. /s

user

Wait, so the characters of your source are in order?

caird coinheringaahing

Wow

@user The characters of each line get sorted before execution

user

You're kidding, right/

caird coinheringaahing

No

user

Wow

Aaron Miller

02:09

@user with a few exceptions, like EA, since E is essentially a diagraph character, or o, which marks a character literal.

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I believe digraphs are sorted to the end, as x < Ez for any characters x and z

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing do you ever look at patch and ask "what the dog doin'?"?

Aaron Miller

Is k supposed to disable stack sorting, or does that disable a different sorting?

caird coinheringaahing

1) His name is Patch, and 2) all the time :P

@AaronMiller It's supposed to, I don't know how effective it is :P

Currently, he is lying upside down with his feet in the air asleep. Gimme a moment and I'll grab a picture :P

Aaron Miller

@lyxal lol, I interpreted that question as, “do you ever look at a bug fix you made and question your life choices?”

lyxal

02:13

@AaronMiller sussy baka

Aaron Miller

@lyxal funny enough, I’d still have to agree with caird: all the time :p

caird coinheringaahing

aaand he just woke up and is insisting on running around the garden for 15 minutes :/

user

Exactly 15 minutes?

Heh, that dog is a lot better at laying out a schedule than I am :P

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing tell him I said hi

Aaron Miller

Did you at least get the picture?

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02:18

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Q: Train a Single Perceptron

Train A Single Perceptron You must write a program that will train a perceptron to simulate the things described in the test cases section of this question. There is already a question similar to this one, but it asks you to program a two-input only perceptron. Your program must support perceptro...

code-golf neural-networks

user

Jun 6 at 15:51, by caird coinheringaahing

He does have an onlyfans tho, costs $4.99 a month, and you get cute pictures of him :P

You need to pay up for that :P

Wow, that sounds weird out of context

Actually, even in context

Aaron Miller

@user oof, I got no monies :(

caird coinheringaahing

That one's for free :P

user

Patch has grown since your pfp

caird coinheringaahing

He has :P I took my pfp in 2017, he's 6 now

Redwolf Programs

02:21

My family has a dog and it's older than me, which I guess means I should probably be following its orders

caird coinheringaahing

He is also very tired - It's 3am here :P

Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing (つ´∀｀)つ

lyxal

> aaand he just woke up and is insisting on running around the garden for 15 minutes :/

I see he's inherited your trash sleep schedule

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Have a poor man's hug: (⊃ ∇)⊃

> inherited

caird is a dog confirmed

lyxal

@user you heard me

caird coinheringaahing

02:23

@lyxal He wakes me up at random hours because he wants to run outside

user

@lyxal You've got too much C++ on your mind :P

caird coinheringaahing

Compared to Patch, me and hyper have normal sleep schedules :P

user

That's one crazy son of a bitch :P

Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing y u keep making languages without nestable while loops?

caird coinheringaahing

I read Monero.SE as Montero.SE and was wondering how lil nas x got a StackExchange site :P

user

02:25

~~You can't parse them easily with regex~~

caird coinheringaahing

@AaronMiller Nesting = parsing

Aaron Miller

But parsing is easy and never breaks! *cough* Vyxal *cough*

user

This is why we should have used jQuery

lyxal

> *cough* ~~Vyxal~~ Keg *cough*

FTFY

Bubbler

Y'all really need a proper introduction to language/compiler theory...

caird coinheringaahing

02:28

I hate the theory side of coding :P

Redwolf Programs

Theories take all of the fun out of making cursed spaghetti

caird coinheringaahing

^

Aaron Miller

@Bubbler If it’s not being “fixed” on a daily basis, you’re not doing it right.

caird coinheringaahing

Fixed? Ha

user

If it's ~~not~~ being fixed ~~on a daily basis,~~ you're not doing it right.

Imagine making a single functional language and not just faking it to pass the tests for your final project

caird coinheringaahing

02:29

I write my languages' interpreters, then when someone points out a problem, I either let them fix it, or claim it's "intended behaviour"

lyxal

@Bubbler laughs in that's what I'll be doing in a few years

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's a pro-programmer move

caird coinheringaahing

The most functional language I've made is my Jelly fork, and that's not even making something new :P

Bubbler

@lyxal Trust me, it's actually more fun than most other CS courses

caird coinheringaahing

@user It's a pro-grammer move :P

user

02:30

I wonder what plain grammers are then

Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes, we are all epic grammars here.

lyxal

@Bubbler it's an elective I'll be choosing to do, so dw, I'm looking forward to it

caird coinheringaahing

@user Ask Chomsky

Redwolf Programs

As we're discussing this I'm writing a language with an interpreter designed specifically to be very, very bad and cursed and scary :p

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Bah, I don't listen to thheoretical computer scientists

@RedwolfPrograms Oh, a fork of JS? :P

Aaron Miller

02:32

As we're discussing this I'm writing a language ~~with an interpreter~~ designed specifically to be very, very bad and cursed and scary :p

caird coinheringaahing

@user Theoretical compsci is what happens when people think about computers instead of just using them

user

@user Nvm, he's apparently a linguist

caird coinheringaahing

@AaronMiller Yes, it called Hatred :P

user

@AaronMiller "designed" is a strong word for it :P

Aaron Miller

lol

caird coinheringaahing

02:34

@cairdcoinheringaahing Compsci is just electronic math, and math + electricty is just calculators, and no one likes calculators

Ergo compsci bad because vyxal bad

lyxal

are you telling me that I inadvertently made a whole field of academia bad?

heck yeah life goal accomplished

;p

Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing No, your complaints aren’t supposed to go here: contributing.md

caird coinheringaahing

This room was placed in timeout for 1 second; vyxal bad

lyxal

@AaronMiller this is true

caird coinheringaahing

Vyxal bad :P

Aaron Miller

02:37

But consider: no

user

Why do you hate Vyxal so much, caird? We even have a special place for you to put your complaints :P

caird coinheringaahing

However, think about this: vyxal bad

lyxal

Could you at least be respectful with your opinions?

user

@AaronMiller Wow, both of those arguments are remarkable in their elegance. I'm on the fence about whether or not Vyxal bad or no :P

caird coinheringaahing

@user Don;t tell lyxal, but I don't, I just like saying "vyxal bad" :P

IIRC I've actually used Vyxal before on the site

Redwolf Programs

02:38

But...vyxal bad D:

lyxal

@user tips the fence over to push you into the no side

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing If you say "vyxal badass," you get to enjoy it and make us happy. Win-win :P

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I request that you also follow our contributing guide

Aaron Miller

1 min ago, by Aaron Miller

But consider: no

user

@lyxal Falls into manure because I'm me, goes home and cries

caird coinheringaahing

02:39

caird using vyxal

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal I'm not sure if you're contributing guide is intended to be a joke or an actual request to self-censor criticism of your language, so no :p

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Your link is useless lol

caird coinheringaahing

?

user

@RedwolfPrograms No, he's not "contributing guide is intended to be a joke or an actual request to self-censor criticism of your language, so no :p," he's lyxal ;P

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms It's only criticism from you and caird and those who just blindly jump on bandwagons that we want in the trash :p

user

02:41

@cairdcoinheringaahing lyxal.pythonanywhere.com

What happened to n3buchadnezzar, btw?

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal It's not blindly jumping on a bandwagon, I like Vyxal, mostly, I just don't like the flags

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms you're not the one on the bandwagon

caird coinheringaahing

Any diamonds around?

Redwolf Programs

Ignoring the flags, it's not my favorite golfing language, but I know how much work you've put in and it's quite interesting. If Vyxal had never had flags, I'd probably be running around making "vyxal good" jokes instead of "vyxal bad".

Bubbler

Vanillyxal: Vyxal but no built-in flags

Aaron Miller

02:46

> Is Vyxal the best esolang in existence?

Vyxal is the best esolang ever created, and it is the only esolang ever created.

GPT-3 has spoken.

lyxal

^

caird coinheringaahing

Use "Vyxal bad" as a prompt :P

Aaron Miller

> Vyxal bad.

We are all bad.

Redwolf Programs

I deifnitely don't want it to seem like I just dislike Vyxal because I like disliking Vyxal; I'm sure it'd be pretty discouraging to have users constantly criticizing and making jokes about a project that takes that much investment of time and dedication. But that doesn't mean I'm not still going to criticize it when I think it's fair :p

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing o/

i possess a lozenge-shaped icon next to my name

caird coinheringaahing

02:50

Can you force-refresh my profile?

@AaronMiller One problem: that says that if you're "caird" you should follow the guide. However, I'm not caird.

Redwolf Programs

No way, you actually did it :D

hyper-neutrino

lol

Redwolf Programs

On my screen it just says "Dude" in italics lol

Dude coinheringaahing

The Dude Abides :P

hyper-neutrino

same; i have to use 90% zoom to see the whole thing

Redwolf Programs

02:51

So for the next month I'll see your name and pronounce it as "Dude!"

Aaron Miller

@Dudecoinheringaahing Understandable, have a nice day.

> Vyxal bad.

Evil gun control is bad too.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Dude coinheringaahing

Anyone else have a craving for White Russians and bowling?

@AaronMiller GPT-3 has spoken

hyper-neutrino

i don't have a particular obssession for russian people, no (:p)

Redwolf Programs

So...the solution to all of the world's problems is more guns and less Vyxal?

Dude coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino In case you are unaware :P

hyper-neutrino

02:53

i figured; that'd have been my guess :p

i only properly had alcohol for the first time last night and it was like 2.5oz of probably reasonably low %

Dude coinheringaahing

Plus the fact that the Dude was a famous drinker of White Russian in The Big Lebowski :P

Aaron Miller

'Night o/

Dude coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I am currently drinking a glass of scotch, having had 4 beers tonight. UK alcohol culture is wack

hyper-neutrino

@Dudecoinheringaahing i was feeling kinda dizzy last night and i don't think going kayaking helped cuz that made me nauseous but i think it was mostly the alcohol :p so i really don't want to know how that much alcohol would affect me lmao

Dude coinheringaahing

Compared to Shaggy, I'm a casual drinker. Compared to an American, I'm a heavy drinker

hyper-neutrino

02:56

@hyper-neutrino actually that's not really true i had apple cider that had like marginal amounts of alcohol in it but i think that hardly counts; i've probably ingested more alcohol by consuming bread

Dude coinheringaahing

One good measure is how early you're willing to have a drink :P

@hyper-neutrino I've always found North American "cider" to be interesting. Cider to me is fruity beer, not "apple soda"

Redwolf Programs

CMQ: Reasonable things XKCD's gand ate could do?

hyper-neutrino

apple cider to me is a non-alcoholic juice-like beverage, but i've consumed next to no alcohol and i probably will keep it that way for the foreseeable future

thing is i'm also feeling not that great right now so i think that's more so sleep deprivation than alcohol, though i've been sleeping more than usually recently so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dude coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Honestly, I respect someone who decides not to drink. Here at least, drinking is expected from 16 and above, and regardless of my own opinions on alcohol and getting drunk (I like doing it), I respect someone for standing by their principles

hyper-neutrino

i just looked at the starboard and... what the fuck happened here while i was gone??

Dude coinheringaahing

02:59

We don;t talk about that :P

@hyper-neutrino I often bounce between a caffeine rush and getting drunk. As you can tell, I'm a very healthy individual

hyper-neutrino

@Dudecoinheringaahing ah. yeah, I wouldn't know how UK culture is of course :P here I don't think there's particularly too much of a culture around getting drunk (not something that's expected, but not something that's seen as a taboo either); i've never tried it but personally not having mental clarity is not something that i am particularly excited to try lol

but i'll respect people's personal choices for stuff like this :p

@Dudecoinheringaahing sounds very healthy :p i should learn a thing or two from you /s

Dude coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino What's the marijuana culture in Canada? Here it's pretty big, despite being illegal

hyper-neutrino

@Dudecoinheringaahing not too sure TBH; think it's mostly dependent who you talk to. there doesn't seem to be too big of a "culture" surrounding it since it's been recently legalized (by recently i mean a few years ago)

also I'm not really the best person to ask about any sort of culture around social interaction...

Dude coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Fair enough, you do have a diamond here :P

@hyper-neutrino my grandad lives in BC and he goes wild really often :P

hyper-neutrino

lol, nice :p

vaping was not uncommon in my hs (despite the fact that i am pretty sure it is illegal for people at that age, and it is also definitely against the school's rules) (at least based on the washrooms' smells) but idk if it was marijuana or just nicotine; couldn't tell through the ridiculously heavy artificial scents

Dude coinheringaahing

03:06

I was out in Whistler for Christmas in 2017 (so I was 15) and him and my grandma brought a batch of pot brownies up to the cabin we were staying at, and didn't tell me or my parents they had pot in them :P Cue me getting stoned out my ass at 15 and watching the sixth sense on repeat for ~4 hours :P

For context, I had my first beer on my 16th birthday

hyper-neutrino

lol, bruh, sounds like an... interesting experience :p

Dude coinheringaahing

Yeah, it's definitely up there when it comes to "stories about me" :P

Can't see I use weed too much tbh tho. It just makes me very dizzy

hyper-neutrino

my life has been comparatively rather boring and i don't particularly mind too much :p

on one hand i'd like to try marijuana to see how it's like but on the other hand i don't really care all that much about experiencing it just for the sake of having said experience. same goes for being drunk, etc

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino same here

Dude coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I had this misfortune of 1) being acquaintances with a drug dealer, 2) having friends who insist on getting hammered, stoned, whatever and 3) having an attitude of "I'll try everything once"

lyxal

03:13

Imagine having irl friends you hang out with

Dude coinheringaahing

If you suggest a brand new experience to me (I'm going to limit this to IRL for safety reasons :P), the likelihood is that I;ll try it at least once

hyper-neutrino

@Dudecoinheringaahing ah, well that'd do it :P i've had weed offered to me once but it was not in a situation i'd like to try getting stoned in even if i wanted to try at the time. also my friends also don't have particularly colorful history when it comes to drugs and such :P

@Dudecoinheringaahing here's an experience: DM me your social security number (or whatever they use in the UK), address, credit card number, CVV, birthdate, and full legal name (for legal reasons that's a joke)

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino that's not irl though

So it doesn't count anyway

hyper-neutrino

ik

write that on a piece of paper and give it to me IRL :P

lyxal

That's more like it

Dude coinheringaahing

03:15

@hyper-neutrino 123456; 1 Dude Rd, Dude; 1234 5678 9012 3456; 789; 01/23/45; caird :P

hyper-neutrino

seems legit

user

@hyper-neutrino Oh yeah, it’s so bad here that janitors constantly walk in to catch students vaping, and trachers look at you suspiciously if you go to the restroom too long

Dude coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino You joke, but in ~18 months, I could very much be studying at the University of Waterloo :P

user

Btw hi @Dude!

Dude coinheringaahing

Hello, I am brand new user here. How does one do the code golf?

hyper-neutrino

03:16

@Dudecoinheringaahing oo nice. UW, one of the few reasons one would want to come to waterloo

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing juic avodad

hyper-neutrino

@Dudecoinheringaahing write your code on a ball and try to hit it into the hole (which should have a flag marking its location)

user

Then you write some Scala

Bubbler

@Dudecoinheringaahing Learn Vyxal :P

user

Don’t listen to these filthy Jelly users

Dude coinheringaahing

03:17

@Bubbler I have heard Vyxal bad? Is this true?

lyxal

@Dudecoinheringaahing it's all lies

Don't listen to them

Bubbler

@Dudecoinheringaahing Vyxal is awesome

Dude coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I'm due to start studying "Math with a Year Abroad" in ~6 weeks, and one of the partner unis for that year abroad is University of Waterloo IIRC :P

lyxal

@Dudecoinheringaahing we have a github organisation and everything. You don't see bad languages having github organisations now do you.

@Dudecoinheringaahing are there any partner unis in Australia?

Dude coinheringaahing

Lemme check

lyxal

03:20

Because why go live in the past when you can study in the future?

user

@lyxal JS

lyxal

@user that's one exception to the rule :p

Dude coinheringaahing

@lyxal There are at least 12 available unis: Leibnitz, Nanyang, National University of Singapore, Sorbonne, University of Hong Kong, Universidad Madrid, University of Melbourne, University of Rochester, University of Sydney, University of Washington, University of Wisconsin-Madison and Université de Bordeaux, plus the uni's standard year abroad partners, which include Waterloo and a few others

hyper-neutrino

@Dudecoinheringaahing time to pull a funny outplay and study abroad at your uni just as you go abroad :P (also what uni are you at again? i feel like i should know this since you've mentioned it at least a couple times :P)

Dude coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Bristol :P

lyxal

03:24

@Dudecoinheringaahing awww that doesn't include the uni I'm at D:

But if you went to Sydney you could try and catch up with JoKing :p

Dude coinheringaahing

Waterloo is offered specifically for those studying:
Chemistry - Full year
Earth Sciences - Full Year
Geography - Full Year

@lyxal Where are you at?

lyxal

@Dudecoinheringaahing Uni of Newcastle

Dude coinheringaahing

@lyxal :( Bristol doesn't partner with them

lyxal

D:

Dude coinheringaahing

Take a search, which is the closest? :P

lyxal

03:28

@Dudecoinheringaahing Sydney probably

Dude coinheringaahing

It's only a 2 hour drive from UoSydney to UoNewcastle :P

Speaking of, hey @JoKing :P

Jo King

:o

i don't actually have a year left on my degree though

Dude coinheringaahing

Are you in your final year?

Jo King

yup

and the horrors that come with it

Dude coinheringaahing

If you don;t mind my asking, what are you writing your dissertation on?

Jo King

03:35

Surface CRNs

i.e. the most esolang you can get without actually being an esolang

Dude coinheringaahing

ngl, I was expecting something to do with quines, but that;s a pretty cool topic :D

Bubbler

Sounds like GoL but much fancier :P

Jo King

speaking of GOL, has there ever been a question mixing QR codes and GOL?

Dude coinheringaahing

Doesn't look like it

hyper-neutrino

there's this post in the secret santa's sandbox that i abandoned

i threw it out since i felt that the existence of QFTASM would make the challenge not that interesting anymore, but i could bring it back if we think that'd be interesting

Bubbler

03:41

Isn't QR code way too dense to be an interesting GoL configuration?

hyper-neutrino

original sandbox post, which went 0/-3

Bubbler

I even doubt if a predecessor to any valid QR code exists

Dude coinheringaahing

That's a hell of a vote ratio

Jo King

@Bubbler probably, plus there's the things in the corners that kinda have to be there

Bubbler

Yeah, mainly that part

Dude coinheringaahing

03:43

wait, I downvoted that

hyper-neutrino

yeah i think people just thought it was too similar to the existing QFT

although there are no deleted comments so maybe downvotes were explained in chat, or just not at all

Jo King

i feel like i should post a QR quine challenge, because it looks like the existing ones got closed as unclear

Bubbler

The existence of QFT makes every challenge in the form of "do [some ordinary code golf task] in GoL" kinda trivial

hyper-neutrino

yeah

Bubbler

QFT basically made a full-fledged computer with a pixelated display, right?

lyxal

03:46

Oh no oh frick. They've found fragments of covid in a water source a few kilometres away from where I am

Dude coinheringaahing

Sep 21 '17 at 15:00, by caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino do you mind me being brutally honest regarding ^^^?

Sep 21 '17 at 17:57, by caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Nah, I couldn't think exactly why I didn't like it

ಠ_ಠ Goddamn you past me

Jo King

@lyxal uh oh

Bubbler

@JoKing Violates the standard loophole: "interpret the challenge too literally" :P

3

lyxal

@JoKing wait it's actually ~10km. That's still not good though

Dude coinheringaahing

Sep 21 '17 at 17:28, by HyperNeutrino

yeah nvm I'll just delete it. now that QFTASM is assembled it's really just another challenge except more tedious

Somehow, you ninja'd yourself by 4 years :P

hyper-neutrino

03:55

bruh

lyxal

gamer moment

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