The Nineteenth Byte

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(Based on this closed challenge, related) Given an integer n > 1, draw a grid composed of the characters: "-" "+" and "|". However, since I want the grid to look nice, the horizontal component should be 2 wide. Trailing spaces for each line are not required. Examples: n = 2 | --+-- | n = 3...

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Q: Drawing a grid using '_' and '|' in Python using the least bytes possible

Write a subroutine in Python that draws a grid based on the two provided parameters. The subroutine should not return the grid, but rather it should output the grid to the console/shell. The subroutine does not need to be called DrawGrid. The subroutine should use as few bytes as possible.

code-golf grid python

Why would anyone post their homework here? It's not like we have quality answers

hyper-neutrino

well we get people posting general help questions here all the time that should go to SO

user

Yeah, but this person explicitly said "The subroutine should use as few byes as possible," indicating they know what this site is about and that they're going to get mangled code that wouldn't work for an assignment

hyper-neutrino

hm. maybe this was homework that they then tried to turn into a codegolf challenge but just copy-pasted the problem statement ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

user

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hyper-neutrino

19:17

does vyxal have lambda x: sum(x, []), as in flatten by one level?

Underslash

obviously just submit the golfed code, the prof will def be able to read that

hyper-neutrino

nvm i don't need it. but i'm still wondering

Underslash

hmm, I feel like i've seen something similar, but I cannot seem to find it

caird coinheringaahing

Please tell me "i am speed" is becoming the new "crossed out 44 is regular 44" :P

Aaron Miller

@hyper-neutrino Easy, just use f but don't press the key down all the way :p

hyper-neutrino

19:20

lol

Underslash

I spent way too long when I first tried to cross out 4 and it looked exactly the same

SlamJammington

@user wait im not supposed to post my homework here

damn i guess I'll never find out what five cookies minus 3 cookies is

hyper-neutrino

rip, vyxal once again beats jelly by moving the two bytes that would've made it tie into the flags...

rak1507

metagolfscript wins again!

caird coinheringaahing

@SlamJammington Pretty sure its 2.0000000000001 cookies, damn floating points :/

hyper-neutrino

19:29

outputting as a matrix of characters for ascii art is acceptable right?

i can take the Y out of my own code in theory

user

Well that was fast — SlamJammington 22 mins ago

Underslash

@hyper-neutrino assuming thats standard output, go ahead

user

Well that was fast :p — Redwolf Programs Apr 5 at 15:07

Do you always FGITW challenges, HN?

hyper-neutrino

well Jelly is able to output as a multiline string which is just a list of characters including \n

@user not intentionally it just doesn't take me long to solve easy challenges in jelly

the other reason is vyxal, like 05ab1e, has certain things as one-byte built-ins that Jelly has as two

also, the halve built-in in vyxal works on strings and splits them into two halves. Jelly's just errors. :/

(granted, it also wouldn't save bytes because Jelly has built-in string-list literals which vyxal doesn't)

Redwolf Programs

Jelly errors entirely too often for a golfing language, from what I've seen

hyper-neutrino

19:34

it doesn't overload enough IMO

i like that it vectorizes, but sometimes it can't and just errors, and I think overloading makes a whole lot more sense

unfortunately i cannot tie vyxal because of monadic 2,1 chain rule

caird coinheringaahing

I'd like y to not error on odd-length left arguments, and M and Z should cast to iterables. Otherwise, Jelly's erroring is pretty good

hyper-neutrino

i'd like the repeat built-in to accept the list on the right if the left argument is an integer, because you need @ or to mess up chaining a lot to handle that

caird coinheringaahing

I'd change X to error on 0/strings/floats and to return a random integer from x to -1 if x < 0

Aside from those 4, the errors mostly arise as parsing errors

hyper-neutrino

the only time i've wanted to be able to like, for example, put " with no chain before it is in polyglots :D

Catija

@cairdcoinheringaahing The NaR badge is for events - like conferences... it's mostly used by the marketing department. So if we don't go to an event (or do something that gives out a NaR badge) we don't get it..

Redwolf Programs

19:41

...is what a robot would say :p

Underslash

I wish the vyxal flags counted as bytes tbh

pxeger

booo

hyper-neutrino

I would be open to a new meta proposal revisiting byte-counting mechanisms

I think j is a legit flag though

Underslash

which one is j?

hyper-neutrino

here's the thing

cumbersome IO sucks, so i support j

the sum flag is pushing it too far IMO - you can't output [1, 1] and say "here, I printed 2"

@Underslash join on newline

Underslash

19:42

i think some of the flags are just extracted code

Redwolf Programs

But for things like FizzBuzz it's 100% cheating IMO

Underslash

@hyper-neutrino right

hyper-neutrino

I think wherever outputting a matrix of characters is acceptable, using j is acceptable. for example, I golfed my jelly code by removing the Y from the code itself because 2d list of chars is usually acceptable string output formatting

Underslash

^^^

if its just changing the output from one form to another, that shouldn't take a byte

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija Hmm, and now the Turing Test begins :P

Redwolf Programs

19:43

I think anywhere the output would be acceptable without j it's fine

Underslash

but initializing with 100 in the stack is a bit much imo

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I wouldn't

Catija

@cairdcoinheringaahing I have voice samples you can listen to. :D

pxeger

that's something no normal human would do lol

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija So does Siri :P

Catija

19:45

I'm pretty sure that Siri wouldn't be able to have a 15 minute conversation with someone about complex things related to Stack Exchange.

caird coinheringaahing

Given that none of the staff have the NaR badge, we can only conclude that SE is run by one neural network pretending to be multiple staff members :P

hyper-neutrino

there is another hivemind :o

Catija

And... y'all... seriously... if the company had the assets to create an AI, we'd be using it to answer questions, not to CM.

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Q: A multiple of n in every base!

In November 2019, Alon Ran published a particularly lovely sequence in the OEIS, A329126: \$a(n)\$ is the lexicographically earliest string of digits which yields a multiple of \$n\$ when read in any numeric base. 1, 110, 101010, 111100, 100010001000100010, 1111110, 10000010000010000010000010000...

code-golf combinatorics base-conversion polynomials

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing fair enough; it's just vyxal and if lyxal pushes it too far a) metagolfscript rule takes place and b) we can just go yell at them lol

and it doesn't seem to be a general issue

caird coinheringaahing

19:46

> Hey Siri, should Code Golf Stack Exchange have a custom new asker dialog?
I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch that. Could you repeat it?

Redwolf Programs

oops

caird coinheringaahing

Taken verbatim from my Siri :P

Redwolf Programs

Part of the reason I don't like Vyxal is how focused it is on one challenge (FizzBuzz)

hyper-neutrino

kF?

Redwolf Programs

Most of the features that help with FB were conventiently introduced right after I talked about the length of FizzBuzz in Ash

rak1507

19:49

flags absolutely should count towards the byte count and you can't change my mind :P

pxeger

yeah I agree, it's a little childish

Redwolf Programs

@rak1507 I don't like that as a rule either though, because it lets you encode a tiny amount of info for free

pxeger

@rak1507 rak1507 absolutely should count towards the list of people I disagree with and you can't change my mind :P

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 why?

Underslash

I wouldn't say its bad how its "focused" on one challenge, just has enough room for that

rak1507

19:50

@cairdcoinheringaahing because having a flag to sum the stack or whatever is just blatant abuse

Catija

@cairdcoinheringaahing status-inprogress

:P

pxeger

:)

hyper-neutrino

@rak1507 counting all flags is punishing for a couple of languages though (i think perl is one of those?)

caird coinheringaahing

What benefit does it offer to charge for command line flags besides making people feel better that their Jelly answer has the same score as the Vyxal answer that uses 3 flags?

Underslash

@RedwolfPrograms how does that let you encode a small amount of info for free?

hyper-neutrino

19:50

that too. languages don't compete with each other, anyway :p

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing well why ban metagolfscript in the first place

hyper-neutrino

@rak1507 because it's boring

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija That's much better than the Siri response

@rak1507 Metagolfscript isn't banned IMO

rak1507

@hyper-neutrino as is using loads of flags in vyxal

hyper-neutrino

with S you still have to solve the body of the challenge. MGS literally requires 0 brain cells

Underslash

19:51

@hyper-neutrino they dont but they do, there is an element to golfing that is trying to beat other languages with optimal answers

@hyper-neutrino what is metagolfscript?

hyper-neutrino

well, inter-language competition is a competition not between the golfers but the language devs

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Redwolf Programs

@Underslash Imagine a language where every program is two bytes. You can triple the number of variations by encoding it as two flags + empty, one flag + one byte, or two bytes and no flags

caird coinheringaahing

I don't see the Standard loopholes as "bans" - instead they are a list of things that if you do this, be warned that you'll get abunch of downvotes and people complaining

hyper-neutrino

@Underslash metagolfscript is a language with infinitely many versions - version X runs the golfscript program obtained from decoding X via some method

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino It's both. Jelly may not have gotten off the ground if Dennis couldn't demonstrate its power very well

hyper-neutrino

19:52

that is true

Underslash

@RedwolfPrograms you could, but the alternative is a language that has minimal byte answers but a heavy abuse of flags

hyper-neutrino

but the competition to golf between them is still somewhat down to the devs - each language has an optimal solution (even if it isn't found by anyone) and it becomes a matter of language design and features

Underslash

is a program really "1 byte" if the majority of the program rests in the flags?

caird coinheringaahing

Additionally, Metagolfscript isn't a language, it's a family of languages. By our rules, Metagolfscript-1 doesn't compete with Metagolfscript-2 or any other language

hyper-neutrino

for example, thus far i've found vyxal better for many string challenges, but really really hard to use in many array challenges where the jelly answer is like 7 bytes

caird coinheringaahing

19:54

So all Metagolfscript-X does is be the shortest Metagolfscript-X answer, good for it

Redwolf Programs

Even if we officially say that answers in different languages don't compete, comparing Husk/Jelly/Vyxal still happens and it's still fun to have more competition

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing fair enough. i apply most of them like bans - for example, "interpreting the challenge too literally" is more of a "you didn't even solve the challenge" not just "you're bending the rules", but i can understand your train of thought for that too

caird coinheringaahing

Yes, but you shouldn't break a system that works in order to have "more competition"

hyper-neutrino

and i guess that's what downvotes are for anyway - posting something against a loophole and getting 6 downvotes is literally worse than not posting it, so if they do, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Underslash

Because I will say, there isn't much posting of the same language on the same challenge, which is why you have to (at least a bit) have competition between languages

Redwolf Programs

19:55

^

Like, as a JS golfer, it's fun to try to beat Python answers.

Partly because there's usually not too many other JS ones, and partly because I don't like Python

hyper-neutrino

right, it's fun, but I don't see the need to restructure our rules for that

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, and that's fun, but you shouldn't break the system because some guy is doing it a bit unconventionally

Hell, look at Pxem

hyper-neutrino

it's not causing a major issue with our site

Redwolf Programs

I think both systems work, I agree changing the current one is more effort than its worth

But I just don't like the "languages aren't competing with each other anyway" argument :p

Underslash

I mean, couldn't you metagolfscript with flags?

hyper-neutrino

19:57

and get 7 downvotes? sure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if you want

Underslash

I mean sure, but why even allow that stuff to exist in the first place, if normal metagolfscript is banned

caird coinheringaahing

The fact that we spent 6 years and hundreds of meta posts trying to get a conclusive definition of when to score specific flags and when not to demonstrates to me that we can live with a few users wanting to be able to tie/beat lyxal

Underslash

thats true, I haven't been around long enough to see any of that stuff

so I might be arguing a point that was made and refuted 5 years ago

hyper-neutrino

the current consensus does technically ban loopholes

because the definitive policy on invalid answers includes "violates a loophole" as an invalidating factor

however, most of the time when people violate loopholes, they get a lot of downvotes and a lot of comments and end up self-deleting, and i don't tend to actually use my mod delete on answers that break loopholes, just answers that didn't solve the task correctly and didn't get fixed

caird coinheringaahing

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I interpret it differently. I think that, so long as an answer works and is scorable, it shouldn't be banned. It can be downvoted to hell because it abuses various rules, or people don't like it or whatever, but it shouldn't be banned

hyper-neutrino

20:03

fair enough

I guess the TL;DR is we don't really need to change anything :P

our system works fine. i agree with that. i don't really care that i got outgolfed by 1 byte because vyxal has flags (and tbh r isn't particularly outrageous, i'd actually consider it fairly okay)

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms It's hand-wavy, but it works :P

I like beating other answers, but I really like finding a short, elegant Jelly answer :P

hyper-neutrino

20:17

is there a good way to determine if an object in js is an array?

typeof [] is "object"

Redwolf Programs

Array.isArray

Golfy way is of course .map (but unreliable for prod code)

hyper-neutrino

ah, thanks

also yeah, i have decided to code my language in js so i can have a fast interpreter and don't have to worry about ACE

may regret it later

Redwolf Programs

You can also do .constructor == Array, assuming it's not undefined or null, which is a more general trick

hyper-neutrino

Oh, cool. Is Array.isArray better or ^? I'm looking for the "best" (by some standard of good practice) solution rather than golfing

Redwolf Programs

Array.isArray is definitely the best

For numbers/strings/booleans I usually just use typeof, but if for some reason someone's passing new String("xyz") as an argument typeof will return object

hyper-neutrino

20:25

... tf. okay, thanks

I'll just remember to not do that then lol

so new String("hello") !== "hello" but new String("hello") == "hello". wack

Redwolf Programs

I might make a small library for type checking, it's a fairly common thing to need and there's a very long list of ways to do it wrong :p

@hyper-neutrino != is the one that works like ==, !== won't do type casting

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms yeah, I (sort of) get how they work / how they differ, but... still weird lol

you know JS is a weird language when someone needs to consider making a library just for determining the type of something ಠ_ಠ

Redwolf Programs

CMC: Given a number, string, or boolean, return a falsy value of the same type

(Inspired by a cool JS solution I found)

hyper-neutrino

x=>x.constructor("")

Redwolf Programs

Yep, the "" isn't necessary though

hyper-neutrino

20:32

oh

i tried 0 at first but "".constructor(0) is "0" which makes sense

Redwolf Programs

new Boolean is probably the weirdest thing in all of JS

hyper-neutrino

lemme guess - it's always truthy no matter what you put into it

Redwolf Programs

Yep

hyper-neutrino

.-. nice

Redwolf Programs

JS actually has operator overloading. For a single operator.

Although it's more that the operator uses something that can be modified, rather than the operator itself being modified

A username

20:50

LOL

Sorry caps lock

@RedwolfPrograms The trick is to make it look like an ordinary programming-language flag, for example jr => --jar=input.

user

@RedwolfPrograms Why does JS have classes like that wrapping primitives? I understand Java's Boolean class, but JS just lets you do whatever with normal booleans already

hyper-neutrino

what's the best way to do modulo in JS?

(x, y) => (x % y + y) % y?

A username

x % y

Why do you need the rest?

user

The best way to do it is to implement it in Python and then call the Python function :P

hyper-neutrino

-4 % 5

user

20:54

@Ausername Because negative stuff

A username

Oh rtrue

hyper-neutrino

i forget which is called modulo and which is called remainder

user

Ninja'd

A username

We had 31 users here a moment ago.

Now we has 30

rak1507

fascinating

caird coinheringaahing

20:57

11 hours ago, by caird coinheringaahing

We don't need a running count of the people in the room

user

@rak1507 You know what's almost as fascinating? Hypotacha austera is a species of moth in the family Erebidae. It is found in Botswana and Namibia.

rak1507

I hate moths.

user

Why?

hyper-neutrino

Jun 6 at 2:37, by lyxal

rak doesn't like moths because rak is a moth (disclaimer: I used GPT-3 to autocomplete text. The dialogue after the indicated line is not at all representative of the respective users)

rak1507

gist.github.com/Lyxal/3b4c0cc2f05e8480c0c3a0679f4d8f4a because I am a bad moth

lol

dzaima

20:58

@hyper-neutrino that's probably the shortest. (x,y,m=x%y) => m<0?m+y:m is a fancy alternative that doesn't do two modulos

hyper-neutrino

@dzaima wait, JS allows that? cool

okay, thanks

user

@rak1507 lol

dzaima

@dzaima (abusing default arguments; (x,y) => { let m=x%y; return m<0?m+y:m; } is the more "proper" way but is also so much longer)

hyper-neutrino

TIL default arguments can reference the other arguments

(presumably only before itself)

user

Not in Python, though :(

hyper-neutrino

21:01

yep :c

rak1507

yeah, have to do dirty hacks like
def foo(a,default=None):
if default=None: default=a

user

This is one place overloading would be nice

def foo(a) = foo(a, a)
def foo(a, bleh) = ...

rak1507

I think elixir (?) does that

which is nice

Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing what sort of things? (I find using websites is normally a pain, but most real desktop apps are OK)

user

Elixir seems to be an underrated language

rak1507

21:05

definitely, I want to use it for 'real things' one day

caird coinheringaahing

@Neil Opening apps, closing apps, navigating around apps, doing anything really :P

Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing area51.stackexchange.com/users/-1/community says 2 badges...

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ha! This is why you should use vim for editing text and curl for viewing websites

caird coinheringaahing

@Neil Area 51 doesn't really count :P

Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing hmm, I open a lot of apps from the command line

@cairdcoinheringaahing so on which site does it have a badge then?

caird coinheringaahing

21:06

@Neil Stack Overflow: stackoverflow.com/help/badges/6381/not-a-robot?userid=-1

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Consider question Take integers a and b, output c and d such that a+b=c-d. then answering b=>-b(in javascript) claiming a call f(b,[a]) returning d and return byref c is allowed. Yet, What if it's a full program? What if definition can't take more arguments? Is it fine if one output is shared ...

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Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing oh, I missed that because my window wasn't quite wide enough

A username

Any final feedback?

totallyhuman

it is a challenge

A username

yes\

totallyhuman

21:12

i'm glad we agree

@NewPosts i do not understand this in the slightest bit

Redwolf Programs

About the modulo conversation, there's three reasonable ways to do modulo: remainder (always positive), C/JS (sign based on first number), and Python (sign based on second number)

Python's is better than the C/JS one

I think to implement it properly you do something like:

hyper-neutrino

ah. okay. yeah I like python's best because you can just do array[index % array.length]

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman I think its asking if input/output can be pass by reference?

A username

Your Python is looking awfully like a snake...

Redwolf Programs

(x, y) => x - y * Math.floor(x / y)

caird coinheringaahing

21:14

But like, as a full program instead of a function

user

@Ausername That's...what Pythons look like :P

hyper-neutrino

Jelly is beating Vyxal on the "output a grid" challenge now anyway, so... :P

Jonathan Allan found the way to get around the chaining mechanisms by restructuring a bit

Neil

@user how else can you extend primitives? e.g. polyfill String.replaceAll()

caird coinheringaahing

Oh man, that's such a clever abuse of ⁺ and €

Redwolf Programs

@Neil I think you dropped this: .prototype :p

hyper-neutrino

21:16

yeah

converting the 2,1 into dyad since the monad 2,2 won't do strange things and the 2,1 works the way i need in dyadic form is really clever too

user

@Neil Oh, I thought you could already do that with booleans and the like

A username

@hyper-neutrino Not for long, hopefully

We really overgolfed this

hyper-neutrino

@Ausername well, you are invited to outgolf my/JA's solution if you are so inclined :P

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Plus it has 2 fewer flags :P

hyper-neutrino

:P

caird coinheringaahing

21:20

New scoring mechanism: code golf, but flags used are a tie breaker

Underslash

not awful tbh

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm not sure that's fair - one language may need flags for basic I/O stuff because the defaults are bad

hyper-neutrino

the thing is scoring flags as 1:1 isn't even necessarily productive - you can fit 256 more built-ins because the same character can mean different things as a command and as a flag

caird coinheringaahing

@user It was a bit of a joke tbh :P

user

Abusing flags is bad, but I think we can rely on people to downvote answers that do that

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh nvm then

hyper-neutrino

21:22

I think using votes as a mechanism to deter excessive flag abuse is sufficient (ninja'd)

caird coinheringaahing

As I've said, I prefer the current system

Hell, we've used votes for the (dubious) reason to get someone to stop saying "Beats all other answers"

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino The problem is, it's not the answerer's fault for that.

Underslash

do yall think a language where every command is 2 bytes could outgolf stuff?

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms how so

caird coinheringaahing

@Underslash Yes

Redwolf Programs

21:23

Unless it's something totally unreasonable like metagolfscript, I'm not going to downvote every Vyxal answer I see

hyper-neutrino

well, you don't have to use flags

Underslash

^^^ I try not to

caird coinheringaahing

I have a language (Orst) which uses a 512 code page, where the second half is represented via a continuation byte, and its won 1/3 of all challenges its been used in

A username

all == 3?

caird coinheringaahing

...maybe :P

hyper-neutrino

21:24

besides, I'll upvote answers I think are good that use reasonable flags. I don't think I've downvoted vyxal answers yet but I've definitely intentionally held back an upvote due to thinking the flags were a bit unreasonable

A username

Sadly 2\|꘍2\+-" is the same length as `| +--`½

hyper-neutrino

i've probably done so myself and i wouldn't blame people for (not upvoting) / downvoting if i have

user

@Ausername That's a perfectly reasonable sample size :P

A username

Sometimes flags are necessary, like a is needed if you're parsing multiline input.

Redwolf Programs

I don't really want to discourage answers in that language, I just want to discourage similar languages :/

hyper-neutrino

21:25

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah, I will admit I'm not sure my downvote on that is appropriate. But I personally think using votes to indicate what I want to see more of and what I think is good content is appropriate - on Q+A, that might be good research, accuracy, etc; here, it might be cleverness

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I think its borderline appropriate. You're voting specifically because of something included in the answer that could be construed as bragging/unnecessarily comparing answers, so the vote is based on the content of the answer nothing else

Underslash

I wouldn't downvote, just leave a comment saying its a bit braggy, y'know?

user

^

caird coinheringaahing

For example, if I read an SO thread where an answer turned around and said "All the other answers are not as good as mine" (and the other answers were correct), I think that'd be fair to downvote

user

But this isn't SO, we have objective criteria for answers being "better"

As long as it isn't outright rude, I'd say something like that is fine

caird coinheringaahing

21:29

Yes, which makes it worse, as we can all see who the winner actually is

Underslash

and plus, its not like if they dont care about your comment you cant still downvote, its just that you could give them a warning

hyper-neutrino

partially why I say I don't know if it's appropriate is I can't determine if the specific user had anything to do with my choice to downvote instead of just leaving a comment and witholding a vote.

but I do oppose those remarks; they add nothing, they can become false later on, and also it kind of goes against the spirit of the "languages don't compete with each other" rule, however much you want to consider that to actually exist

rak1507

I think you have to consider the users ages and wanting to show off, although I wouldn't upvote a solution that said that I don't think I'd actively downvote it either

caird coinheringaahing

I normally upvote valid answers to my challenges, but I didn't upvote that specific one. I wouldn't downvote but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

rak1507

yeah, fair enough

hyper-neutrino

21:36

yeah. I can't necessarily guarantee I voted objectively there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (well anywhere, but especially on that)

rak1507

anyway if you're reading this just don't do it again and then you can get upvotes :P

hyper-neutrino

i think i cast either the second or third vote - i definitely wouldn't have downvoted more if it were already at like -2 or -3

A username

22:05

Is this good to post?

AviFS

This is embarrassing, but how do you access a function declared in a different js file?

Redwolf Programs

Node or browser?

JS is awful at anything involving multiple files

hyper-neutrino

JS is awful at anything ~~involving multiple files~~

caird coinheringaahing

JS is awful ~~at anything involving multiple files~~

Redwolf Programs

JS is awful at a ny thing ~~involving multiple files~~

AviFS

22:16

True true

Browser

I finally found the import { func } from './abc.js'

But I'm still getting the weirdest issues

But this doesn't really feel like the appropriate room

Hey @xnor!!

Haven't you been gone forever?

hyper-neutrino

in the browser, you should be able to just link multiple files with script tags? i think

A username

JS is a ~~wful at any~~ thing ~~involving multiple files~~

hyper-neutrino

@AviFS xnor has not talked in chat for two months but is active on the main site

AviFS

Stalker :p

Well welcome!

caird coinheringaahing

Click on xnor's profile, "talked 60d ago" :P

AviFS

22:20

Ah, I see!

hyper-neutrino

lol

totallyhuman

a few years ago, when i fully realized how awful js can be, this room used to be full of people who defended it

AviFS

Didn't even say hello, smh

totallyhuman

things have changed ~~and i love it~~

hyper-neutrino

also you can click the user profile and go to the recent tab

user

22:21

---and i love it---

hyper-neutrino

---strikethrough--- ~~strikethrough~~

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Q: Encode a Lenguage

The Len(language,encoding) family of languages is a variety of Lenguage derivatives. To encode a program into a Len language, you replace every character with its representation in a certain encoding, then turn that into a giant integer. Your challenge is to write a function or program that encod...

code-challenge encoding

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS Some people just drop by and don't chat, that's fine to do, even if someone pings tem

totallyhuman

three?!

hyper-neutrino

SE chat markdown is dumb :P

A username

22:21

Oui

hyper-neutrino

also even if there wasn't a way to check I think I was there the last time they talked and I also specifically checked their activity when instating room owners

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman No, --- ~~six~~ ---

boo

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing 'Course, I jest

A username

@NewPosts Hyper can you 11 this

(I always paste from the sandbox)

hyper-neutrino

the post or the message, and why?

oh you want me to repost

AviFS

22:22

This js is really annoying me though, so I'll ask just in case anyone has seen this

totallyhuman

i tried so hard

hyper-neutrino

guys please clarify what you want me to do when you make mod action requests; the 11 thing is a joke and doesn't actually properly define what action I should take

last time redwolf wanted me to edit a message I just completely nuked it

totallyhuman

i mean surely a mod knows how to mod abuse \s

AviFS

I have a <script src="file.js"> and within that file is a function, say func. I also have a button with <button onclick="func();">. But when I click it, it says func is undefined.

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino please 11 this, it needs extra 11 with a side of 11

:P

AviFS

22:24

This feels super stupid, but I can't see it. The file path link works

hyper-neutrino

VTC as unclear whether "this" is my message or yours.

or the whole room

goodbye TNB

A username

@hyper-neutrino Can you just edit it so it updates?

And my mistake isn't immortalised

hyper-neutrino

@Ausername unless you changed something again other than removing the #, i already did

A username

Oh nvm

ninjad

Thanks

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino no i meant for you to 11 chat and we just use random comments on main

hyper-neutrino

22:25

o.O

*11s all of SE*

totallyhuman

go the entire length and just use questions and answers

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Not enough - 11 the internet

A username

11 the universe

totallyhuman

A username

Hey

user

22:30

@totallyhuman This should be 11'd

To be clear, it should be 11'd by 11'ing it, not by 11'ing it

A username

11 and 11 are different numbers though

hyper-neutrino

Alright, this is the 11th message in this conversation with the number 11 in it. If anyone else sends an 11 I will 11 them /s

Redwolf Programs

@totallyhuman I will defend JS until I die, although I hate it

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino 11

user

@hyper-neutrino HOw about eleven?

hyper-neutrino

22:31

hyper-neutrino ♦ has permanently 11'd caird coinheringaahing and user from the universe

user

:)

A username

@RedwolfPrograms That's kinda sus

30 users btw

user

A challenger has appeared...MOD FIGHT!!1!!11

hyper-neutrino

2 hours ago, by caird coinheringaahing

11 hours ago, by caird coinheringaahing

We don't need a running count of the people in the room

caird coinheringaahing

@Ausername Please stop

A username

22:32

Sorrt

hyper-neutrino ♦ has accidentally 11'd themself

totallyhuman

this is probably more accurate

Redwolf Programs

JS is a great language

I love it and it does not make mistakes

caird coinheringaahing

Jun 15 at 22:00, by Redwolf Programs

I hate JS but that doesn't mean I don't really like it

totallyhuman

` i.sstatic.net/byt2o.png

hyper-neutrino

@Ausername Specifically, we mention in the chattiquette (cgcc-se.github.io/chatiquette) to please "Consider whether your message is actually adding anything to the chat room. If not, please keep it to yourself. If the message wouldn't be missed if it were gone, it probably doesn't add anything.".

We also mention "Don't announce your entrance and exit every time. The sidebar shows when users join and leave the room, and sending a message everytime creates noise.", which isn't the same thing here but is similar - we can all see users entering and exiting the room, and it's even less productive than announcing your own entry/exit to mention that of other users.

You can greet a user if you feel the need to - I sometimes do when uncommon/new visitors show up, but you don't need to do that for every person entering the room either.

Redwolf Programs

22:35

@AviFS Not sure if you've resolved the issue with the multifile JS, but I'd really not recommend using import if you control the HTML it goes with.

It has pretty bad browser support, forces strict mode, and has some fairly unintuitive rules that make it painful to work with.

Peilonrayz

@hyper-neutrino Oops I hadn't read your guidelines yet D: The guidelines are quite nice, I like the formatting too

Unrelated String

22:55

@NewPosts Not going to post it until I feel the challenge is well defined but I do just feel like mentioning that a Jelly solution which can (sloppily) encode all Jelly programs does a good 11~13 orders of magnitude better than one which only encodes the characters it uses

totallyhuman

hah i'd never noticed the guidelines were licensed under the wtfpl

hyper-neutrino

23:14

yeah, I would've probably just put MIT or something but I noticed the previous one was licensed under that so when I updated it a bit I just kept it under that

AviFS

23:38

@RedwolfPrograms Thanks. I still have no idea what was going so wrong for so long. But I just started over with a clean slate and got it working. No import needed!

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