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3:00 PM
I suspect this might turn out to be too complicated given that I'm probably the only user here who uses Scala, so I'll be adding a hint each week this goes unanswered
 
okay wait so why can I just do print(<html></html>) in what world does this make sense
 
whats scala?
 
A language
@hyper-neutrino It's considered by most to be a wart, and it's removed in Scala 3, luckily
 
lol
so it's not just me who thinks it's cursed
 
It's one of the few things about Scala that I hate. Look in the configuration, you'll find one more cursed thing
 
3:08 PM
CMC: Cause a SystemError in the CPython interpreter (raising directly is obviously not allowed)
 
how the hell do you spoiler multiline code blocks
 
Why must you abuse CPython so?
@hyper-neutrino HTML :)
 
how do you spoiler in HTML
i only know >!
 
you have to write >! <pre><code>...</code></pre>
 
You can also do <details> (not a spoiler, but similar)
 
3:09 PM
that doesn't work well for multiline tho
 
@hyper-neutrino Have you found the solution already?
 
Nice!
 
probably not intended
 
:(
 
3:11 PM
:)
 
Argh, I should've banned comments!1!!1
 
@user shrugs... I dunno, because it's quite a simple interpreter and therefore easy to hack on?
(hint: I'm currently writing a blog post called Whython - Hacking the CPython interpreter, part 1
)
 
Cool
 
I'm going to make a new version of Pyth, but instead of compiling to Python it will be a fork of CPython itself
 
3:16 PM
500 rep is nice but I don't think I'm going to learn enough Scala to be able to solve this just for that :P
I have some speculation on what the intended solution might potentially use but nothing beyond like one guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
What's the guess? I'd like to see if you're on the right track
 
some abuse of postfix ops
 
:)
 
my guess is that the non-red-herring in the configuration is postfixOps, because how else would you put a > immediately before a )?
 
:)
 
3:19 PM
postfix ops doesn't turn operators into postfix tho ._. from a quick SO search it makes like a.b callable as a b and causes a bunch of other confusion too
but doesn't let you do like print(1 2 +)
 
(I don't know really any Scala, so there probably is a way, (like embedded XML))
 
you can do print(<html></html>)
because scala is cursed
 
@hyper-neutrino Yeah, idk what the creators of Scala were on when they made those
 
@hyper-neutrino well I thought it meant you could define/use operators like x = 5> in the same way that prefix operators are x = -5
 
@hyper-neutrino Only if you add scala-xml as a dependency
 
3:20 PM
scala is based on java right?
 
it compiles to the JVM, yes
 
More or less
 
the apple doesn't fall far from the tree
 
yeah lol
 
@pxeger There's Scala.JS and Scala Native, but Scala still caters to the JVM mostly
@hyper-neutrino ??? Java is cursed, but not like that
 
3:21 PM
@user you got me >:(
 
was a joke mostly :(
 
@pxeger Take it as a motivational message :P
@hyper-neutrino I don't know, which joke are you referring to?
 
@user scala vs. java in terms of being cursed
 
@user the XML bullshit, probably. Few modern languages use so much of it (especially given the correct amount is exactly 0)
 
i think TS has some cursed XML embedding too
not sure though
 
3:23 PM
@hyper-neutrino It was a joke ("Was a joke mostly made of ":("?")
 
@hyper-neutrino TSX, yes, but that's actually kind of good
 
@pxeger lol Scala doesn't even use XML that much
If you're talking about Maven, most people don't use it
 
@hyper-neutrino It's closer to HTML which makes sense given JS's context
 
If you want some more bad parts of Scala, here's an entire article on it
 
3:24 PM
wow
I did not know that existed
 
weird that the ,/ makes it do that, though
 
didn't come up with it myself :P
 
yeah it makes some sense for TS to have HTML embedding cuz that's kind of the point. so that is alright
though JS is, of course, cursed as well, and TS is apparently also rather strange
 
TS does the best it can given its pedigree
 
3:27 PM
CMC: shortest change (Levenshtein distance) that can be applied to the CPython interpreter to make it compile correctly but segfault while running the test suite
 
M=Macro :P
 
?
 
It's a hard challenge (afaict)
 
@pxeger there are almost certainly 1 byte changes
 
oh right
@rak1507 indeed; I have several solutions prepared
 
3:29 PM
lol
 
(it's a set literal)
 
oh
*facepalm*
 
3:45 PM
I got fooled too :(
 
it's amazingly subtle, isn't it lol
 
I just feel dumb lol
 
interestingly, if this were golfed to remove whitespace, it would become more clear
@pxeger ಠ_ಠ i see that
 
@hyper-neutrino never embedded HMTL directly into TS but i've seen it done
it looks really stupid
 
3:46 PM
didn't thomas do it on cryptbox
 
hmm
 
i never touched the TS so i wouldn't know
 
almost definitely
 
@hyper-neutrino no, it must just be some white dirt on your screen!
 
@pxeger ah yeah ur right, gotta get that checked out
i can't wipe it off; must be on the inside of my screen
 
3:47 PM
 
yes he did
 
oh that ping sound is hell
here's a good example of TS being stupid
on cryptbox
@pxeger wait what
what did you do
 
@Riolku Find the weird white smudge on your screen :P
 
3:50 PM
oh
i
 
lmao
 
.-.
is it more obvious in TIO?
 
dunno, maybe
I'm just biased into always using the website I created :þ
 
@pxeger Nice UI btw
 
being able to set the encoding of each field is pretty cool
 
3:52 PM
@user you have tailwindcss to thank for that
 
so how do you supply arguments, do you have to JSON encode it?
 
hm I can't seem to do assignment in curly braces
 
@Riolku use :=
 
HMMM
 
@hyper-neutrino yes, I couldn't be bothered to make a UI for multiple fields (TIO's UI is way too bulky) and I couldn't be bothered to write my own parser, so JSON it is
 
3:53 PM
fair enough
 
lul
 
@hyper-neutrino although it's UTF-8 only and I'm not confident it would work at all for other encodings at the moment
 
oh :( well the concept is cool
 
wow, when's the last time we had 3 rows of users in TNB?
(depends on your zoom level probably, lol)
 
According to the chat improvements userscript, we have 6 rows :P
 
3:57 PM
according to my screen, we have 2
if i zoom in to 500% we have zero!
because i can no longer see anything!
 
I use 120% at all times, and for me there are 3 rows + 2
I guess that includes the non-users NP and SP though
 
I use 110% and there are exactly 2 right now
okay 2 rows -1 now
 
I use 110% and I see three rows (the third only has 5 users)
 
TL;DR everyone has a different screen res/size and zoom :P
 
you can't award bounties to answers on meta, can you?
(if so, how?)
 
4:10 PM
you cannot (well other than MM ofc)
 
@pxeger You can award someone's answer on Main, I guess?
 
120%: 3 rows + 3
 
if you want to reward rep to the user just do it on main
if you want to draw attention or ask for an answer then... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@user what I really want to do is to award someone's question on main. I was thinking maybe the next-best thing would be to reward a sandbox post or something?
a bit of an X-Y problem I suppose
 
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A: List of bounties with no deadline

pxeger50-200 rep for good programming puzzles We need more programming-puzzle questions! If you post a good one, I'll give you between 50 and 200 rep depending on how interesting it is to me. I may decide to wait until someone posts a solution, and/or until your intended solution is revealed, before de...

 
4:13 PM
@NewBountiesWithNoDeadlines this is why I was asking, BTW
and yes, it was posted just to humour @user
 
@pxeger Time to get some socks?
@pxeger Why thank you
 
Howdy! Is there a fast way to search through answers on a post, like to find if someone's already submitted an answer in a certain language?
 
<search term> inquestion:<ID>
 
@SlamJammington search for languagename inquestion:ID
ninja'd
 
Thanks folks!
 
4:20 PM
hyper-neutrino has added an event to this room's schedule.
 
ah, it announces it in the same event section as the LotM so I can just delete the advertisement, lol.
 
4:36 PM
@NewBountiesWithNoDeadlines You're clearly discriminating against me here
 
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A: List of bounties with no deadline

user500 rep for another answer to Print this text in Scala hyper-neutrino's found an answer already, but it isn't the intended one. I'll award a 500 rep bounty to anyone who does it without using comments or multiple calls to print. Brownie points if it's the exact same as mine (not including spacing...

 
lol
 
Where can I see all the feeds in this room? Is it possible?
 
4:54 PM
@SlamJammington Also, if you are already looking at the question, you don't need to know the ID: <search term> inquestion:this
 
Morning!
Or is it afternoon
It's exactly noon here lol
 
well noon is not after noon by strict inequality
but it is not commonly considered morning
 
Afternoon!
(It's 12:01 now :p)
 
It's actually 1201
 
so the appropriate greeting would've been "noon!" or to wait a minute or show up 1 minute earlier
 
5:05 PM
I've thought about this for a while, where do the stackexchange staff get their money from?
Either this is really obvious and I'm dumb or nobody knows
 
Wow, there's currently 31 people in TNB. I think this is the most I've seen.
@math There's ads
 
@math ads
 
Really? I've only seen community ads
 
Do you use an ad blocker?
 
SO's the only site I've actually seen them on, but they do exist here
 
5:06 PM
@math Once a month, they choose a random user from the network and sell them to Jeff Bezos as part of his human pyramid
7
 
@pxeger Oh, right, I forgot.
 
also if you have rep you get reduced ads
 
If you have >200 rep, you aren't shown most of the ads. Try visiting in a private browser
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing ok
 
The ads aren't obnoxious like a lot of other sites though, so you'd probably tune them out if you weren't looking for them
 
5:08 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing that should have been a privilege
 
@math It is, but it isn't shown in the privileges page for some reason
23 hours ago, by Catija
Users with over 200 rep have a privilege to hide ads... but it's not on the privileges page for some reason.
 
It is on SO's
 
@RedwolfPrograms And on MSE.
 
For anyone keeping track, Mast brings the percentage of users here with a diamond to just under 20% :P
(6 of 31 users)
 
Will stackoverflow ever run out of memory? They're at 20 Million questions now.
New question on every refresh
 
5:13 PM
You can fit all of Wikipedia on a micro SD card. I doubt SO's running out of storage space any time soon :p
 
\$2^{64}\$ is around 1.8e19, if they're using 64-bit integers, they're good :P
\$2^{32}\$ is 4.3 billion, so they might get close to that in a few million years
 
assuming each question has 10 answers and each post has the max of 65536 characters, they need 13 terabytes
if i did my math right
 
And you can fit that amount of information in your pocket easily :p
 
not very reliably, but you can
 
SD cards aren't exactly unreliable though, right?
 
5:15 PM
@RedwolfPrograms A lot of women might disagree :p
 
@RedwolfPrograms you need to put it on an SE card
2
 
I wonder how much you'd need to store before you need an entire pair of pants
 
— Redwolf Programs, 2021
 
The theoretical limit is 2 TB for a micro SD card (with the current standard), and I know of 1 TB normal SD cards, but if we assume we're slightly in the future and have 2 TB micro ones I could probably fit a petabyte in my pockets (well, I'm currently wearing shorts with way too many pockets so probably a lot more than that)
 
I've started using my mouse for my main computer instead of my shitty old desktop, but I keep the desktop around and have a keyboard for it - it's surprisingly difficult to do things with only a keyboard
 
5:20 PM
I have a mouse with 3 device connection slots and it's very useful
(Logitech MX Master 3)
 
Your mouse is a hub?
 
That seems like it'd be annoying
Having all sorts of wires coming out of a mouse seems like it'd make moving it slower
 
I can totally understand turning a keyboard into a hub, but a mouse?
 
My mouse probably has more computing power than my first computer had.
 
If it's a wireless mouse, it also has more bandwidth.
 
5:24 PM
Yeah, it is.
 
CMP - wireless or wired mouse (either by preference or what you have, if they differ)
 
Wired, because I'm a gamer™
(All I play is Minecraft lol)
 
Wired, because Murphy's law and batteries are a bad combination.
 
@hyper-neutrino Not "or"; "and". Mine can work both wirelessly and plugged in.
 
I had a nice wireless mouse but I lost the little USB thing and the bluetooth mode made it very laggy
 
5:26 PM
@Adám oh that's cool
I have used wireless mice in the past but I have, like Mast, run into Murphy's law several times :P
also I think they have more input delay and that's bad for gaming. also pauli effect; wireless mice and keyboards keep running into issues
 
@hyper-neutrino Whichever is closest - right now, wired
 
btw posting a sandbox answer in a little while, don't think it is very good. might be too easy or unsolvable
 
that's quite a range of difficulty
 
@hyper-neutrino you'll see
 
5:33 PM
@Razetime found a nice website from your challenge
 
what's the first common character between AB and BA?
 
@hyper-neutrino if AB is the branch that is already drawn, then it is B
i have clarified it a bit
 
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A: "Hello, World!"

stasoidWindows Portable Executable 32 bit, 268 bytes xxd: 00000000: 4d5a 0000 5045 0000 4c01 0100 0000 0000 MZ..PE..L....... 00000010: 0000 0000 0000 0000 7000 0301 0b01 0000 ........p....... 00000020: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 b400 0000 ................ 00000030: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 4000 04...

 
5:48 PM
@Razetime I might be missing something, but what if the next tree element doesn't contain any letters that are in the previous element?
 
@pxeger That wasn't the intended solution, but you can earn 500 more rep if you find it (or a different solution that doesn't use workarounds like yours and HN's)
Also, I now have a new worst score: +3/-2
 
Only a controversialness of 1.33, I think I have far worse than that somewhere :p
This is 3.556 lol
 
6:05 PM
Higher is worse?
 
More controversial, yeah
 
At least you have a net score of 10 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

mathI double the ASCII, you double the output code-golf source-layout Inspired by this In a code that prints out a positive integer, if I go through every character in your code, get it's corresponding ASCII value double it, take it mod 256 (because the ASCII table has 255 characters), the output m...

 
6:47 PM
The Community user has exactly one badge on the entire network :P
 
That's quite ironic :p
 
did the bot not take the tour? :sweat:
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Wait a second...
 
The bot also doesn't have Copy Editor, despite having over 50,000 edits here :P
 
not even the daily visitor thing
 
6:49 PM
CMQ: Most ludicrous way Community could have earned the Not a Robot badge
 
I'm afraid the badge description speaks clearly - it must have met a SO employee in face to interface
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I guess it's just impossible for it to earn any badges, being special, and some employee decided to be funny and just add the Not a Robot badge
@JohnDvorak Hmm, maybe it built itself a body as Ultron did?
 
@JohnDvorak Interestingly Jeff Atwood does not have that badge
 
That's ... curious
 
Neither does Geoff, Jarrod or Joel. User #5 does tho
It appears as tho Catija is a robot, and that she has never met a Stack Overflow employee O.o :P
 

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