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12:05 AM
I forgot: If a bounty ends and I don't pick an answer to award the rep to, does it get auto-awarded to someone?
 
Yes, but only half of the rep
 
Is there a way to prevent that?
I might just have to post an answer with a sock, give it the bounty manually, then delete the sock answer
 
> Automatic awarding only ever applies to answers posted after you started the bounty.
 
Oh, ok. Never mind then.
I seriously hope they're working on fixing the image exploit
 
That's... a weird kind of abuse
 
12:07 AM
> Otherwise, either all or half of the bounty will be awarded to the highest-scored answer among those which meet all of the following:

They were posted after the bounty was started, and
They have a score of at least 2 (at the time the automatic awarding takes place), and
They were not written by the bounty starter.
> If the chosen answer was accepted by the question owner, it will receive the full bounty. Otherwise, it will receive half the bounty. If two eligible answers have the same score, the older answer is chosen.

If no answer meets any of the above two criteria, the bounty is not awarded to any answer, and is not refunded to the bounty starter.
 
12:27 AM
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A: Nominations for Language of the Month, 2021 edition

BubblerK K is a member of APL-family languages, originally created by Arthur Whitney. Arthur's K has many versions; the latest version as of June 2021 is Shakti (also commonly called K9), which is still under development. While official K versions were made for commercial purposes, multiple open-source ...

 
I dislike the tag (same with and ), but I'm 3 upvotes away from the bronze tag badge, so now I like it :/ :P
 
Badges ruin the people :P
 
But... shiny :P
 
@Bubbler would also recommend kcc
 
@hyper-neutrino hi
 
12:35 AM
Huh, Mego's deletion removed his nomination, making the election look weird
> 1st Choice DJMcMayhem
3rd Choice PhiNotPi
 
are you not aware of famous CG moderator, USER REMOVED?
 
> 3 Candidates
*shows two nominations*
@totallyhuman Weird, they also got elected twice at once over on SFF
 
what an incredible member of the SE community
 
Oooh, I only need 40000 more reputation and it'll be 77777 :P
 
12:50 AM
that's like 2 jelly fgitws + a few questions
easy
 
how is that easy...
 
@user okay here's a nib solution, without a "positions" builtin that I might add: extend == where first. Not sure if I'll keep extend as a name, more reason to finally sit down and write an interpreter
 
@smarnav rak was joking, 77k rep takes a lot of effort :P
Only been done by 9 users here, but 3 of those 9 have done it twice :P
 
None of the current mods have 77k rep
And I realized I just went over Jo King :P
 
1:00 AM
I think that all 4 mods together have slightly more reputation than Dennis
~210k vs 202k
 
how did he get so much
by being the first?
 
He posted so many good answers over about 5 years consistently
 
by being one of the smartest for a long period of time
 
makes sense
 
There's an old meme around here that you don't outgolf (or outtime, or beat in general) Dennis, he's just that good
 
1:03 AM
I am quite new. only discovered this place a few weeks ago while looking at a totally unrelated se question
 
It's a typical way to step into CGCC :P
 
The fact that Jelly (the main language he created) is still incredibly competitive without any new modifications after 3 years is testament to how good he was at golfing. 05AB1E, Jelly's main competitor, has been under dev almost constantly and is still about equal to Jelly
I would argue that there are very few languages that can so consistently go toe-to-toe than Jelly and 05AB1E
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

AIDAN GREENTitle: Make a WebCrawler dictionary writer. Notice: for any text within <> tags, please ignore any .'s. These are simply added so that they are treated as plain text, and not code. Your goal is to make a program that acts as a regular WebCrawler, but also writes a dictionary using the websites. Y...

 
also, jelly answers get posted almost immediately.
what do you think about this prospective question that I am working on: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/23519/104373
 
@smarnav That doesn't make them good :P
@smarnav The one thing that all "Interpret this language" questions must have is a specification of how the language works, and exactly what commands must be supported and what those commands do
It looks like an interesting challenge - we don't often get interpreter challenges about non-esoteric languages - but it's sorely lacking in detail
 
1:08 AM
^^ This is why interpreter challenges are so hard to write, unless the language is extremely minimal
and also why there are so few of them
 
I would agree with that.
I think that the question could do with a lot of improvement, and I will try to improve it.
anyways, I have to leave, bye.
 
Redwolf invent card game. Redwolf change to not have random. Redwolf sandbox.
Will KotH.
 
@RedwolfPrograms alright then
you've convinced me
> Redwolf card game here. Redwolf made card game. Redwolf not sure KotH want card game. Redwolf want card game. Redwolf need card game. Redwolf want card game here.
 
Wait 2021 is already halfway over
Here I am thinking the year started a few weeks ago
 
1:20 AM
@RedwolfPrograms That’s what you get for living in a cold, snowy area in the US.
(is texas actually snowy though?)
 
Not at all lol
It's extrememly uncommon
Maybe every few years we get a quarter inch or some sleet or something
 
dang
 
January was the snowiest weather ever documented here
 
@RedwolfPrograms apparently "THIS MONKEY" is your favourite read from January
> I’m a little behind on my reading. Hopefully, the rest of the year won’t fly by as quickly.

Here are my favorite reads from January.

THIS MONKEY
 
1:22 AM
correct ;p
 
@RedwolfPrograms You know how 2020 lasted a decade? I think 2021 is trying to speed run and fit within a month
 
I'm so incredibly careful when deleting anything on my laptop now lol
 
I'm still not entirely convinced this isn't just some elaborate dream and it's actually Feb 2020 and I'll wake up when New Zealand declares war on Finland
 
@RedwolfPrograms I don't think I've ever had to run a virus scan on my laptop, but I've been doing it for my desktop since I got it a couple years ago. My first one I bought from Best Buy and it came with a Norton anti-virus program on it.
 
I just made three .zip/.tar.gzs of a folder, moved it to trash, and made a .tar.gz of the backups
I've deleted a fairly impressive amount of stuff unintentionally
And an even more impressive amount due to my SSD failing, but luckily I don't really remember what was on it lol
 
1:29 AM
having rm without confirmation usually doesn't bite me but it deleted a bash script I was using today because I misused alt-shift-underscore
 
I've switched to trash-cli with aliases and I'm never going back
trr to trash something, trl to list what's in trash, trx to delete something in trash, and trxx to delete everything in trash
 
I think being overzealous with deleting things has to be an overlooked coder stereotype. Like, most people struggle to empty their trashcan, or actually delete a file, but coders insist on struggling to not nuke the living shit out of random files
"Oh look, it's a word document with homework from 10 years ago that I never bothered to hand in, Better rm that just to be safe"
 
To save time you should add -f, and probably sudo it because why not
I've rm -red three weeks worth of work before. Worst part is, I did that while trying to make a backup.
I then downloaded some software to try to recover it, and overwrote the whole partition by mistake
 
*gestures at those messages to demonstrate my point*
 
1:55 AM
Hi everyone
Can I return a list as the return value of function when there is only one value, i.e. if I can return [-183] instead of -183
 
On Code Golf?
 
@Bubbler yeah
Obviously
Binomial transform challenge
 
Yes by this (also related: this)
But the I/O is lists by default for binomial transform, so it is natural to return [x] even if there's only one number
and the input for one number would be also given as [x]
 
2:17 AM
Ok
 
2:49 AM
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Q: Online tool to determine number of bytes for Unicode characters?

theoristI understand that Unicode characters are 1-4 bytes in size (https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/db2-for-zos/11?topic=unicode-utfs). Given this, is there an online tool that will tell me the number of bytes in a unicode character? Or, if not, how do I determine this? I'm currently trying to determine the...

 
3:09 AM
@RedwolfPrograms Well, that was easy enough! Perhaps that should be in the Intro section for new members. — theorist 13 mins ago
@cairdcoinheringaahing Is TIO mentioned in the welcome post?
 
@RedwolfPrograms what is welcome post?
 
does the unofficial-official welcome thread mention anything non-SE?
though TIO and CGCC.SE are closely tied enough that it wouldn't not make sense to include it somewhere
 
I see is it our custom tour page?
 
it's sort of what we wish the tour page could contain some of :p
 
3:16 AM
What happened to the original one
 
it's like the more in-depth page for someone wanting to seriously get into CGCC
the tour page is just a summary to guide a user as to whether or not they want to join the site and roughly what we're about
to actually participate, the welcome thread is recommended as a medium-length read for understanding the core of what we do and how to ask, answer, etc. well for optimal experience
 
Onions on this?
What's the term for things you can't see in the input/output?
 
are you thinking unobservable? or a different term
 
Yeah that one
 
though i do think the requirement here is kinda unobservable - gonna leave it to consensus, not gonna touch it myself
 
3:20 AM
@RedwolfPrograms I don't have any onions right now
 
using TIO for byte counting is a bit hacky tho. @Razetime you were the one collecting a list of all esolangs/golflangs right?
 
The ban against stack overflows from recursion is kinda stupid >:|
 
i'd back a community project to make a third-party site that lets you browse a language, its codepage, some basic info about it (like paradigm, purpose, strengths and weaknesses) and add a bytecounter to it based on that codepage
 
There are answers from Arnauld, Doorknob, etc. that are invalid because of that rule
 
would be significantly easier than an execution environment, and due to no ACE we could allow anyone to add their language to it
this might be more complicated than it's worth and might have nobody care about it tho lol
 
3:23 AM
I'd back that too, that sounds cool
 
hmm... what would a function that looks like this in python do? pastebin.com/raw/TkH9fuRe
 
@smarnav stack overflow
 
I will try running it in python...
 
x calls (x which calls (x which calls (x which calls x...) and then factorial) and then factorial) and then factorial
python first of all does not do TCO
but even if it could, since x() isn't the last call, it cannot be tail-called
unless you do some weird thing with a trampoline / whatever structure it is where you tail-call and pass the subsequent evaluation step to the subfunction, but then you run out of memory because of the call factorial when done calls accumulating
 
just wondering...
 
3:29 AM
@smarnav properly it should be like f=lambda x:x<1or x*f(x-1)
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I await the feed's first post :) don't mind me giggling over here at having enacted Change In The World
 
nice
fun fact: there is an exploit that allows you to gain rep only bounded by the number of answers on the site
however, it requires you to be a moderator, have 1 reputation, commit fraudulent voting, and commit privilege abuse
 
does it involve downvoting and deletion/undeletion?
 
almost
when you downvote an answer, you lose 1 rep - however, if you have only 1 rep, the system can't take it away. undoing that downvote gives you 1 rep. this normally doesn't matter because you need 125 rep to downvote, but mods can do it regardless
so you begin by going down to 1 rep
then you downvote every answer on the site
 
3:41 AM
like the pets mod
 
then you undownvote every answer on the site (and you need to edit every post to do this, hence privilege abuse)
and now you have 1 + (number of answers) rep \o/
also fun fact: if you did this on CGCC, dennis would still have more rep than you
@bobble yeah. well i'm sure they are not doing it to do some silly privilege abuse :p i don't think i ever asked them why but i am sure they have a good reason for it
probably just giving back to the community - as a mod, rep does not matter, so you can give it all back to the community in bounties, just that that's exceedingly not a common thing at all
 
in The Reading Room, Jun 7 at 15:09, by lila
@Mithical I gave my reputation away to the good answers on my site in order to stir up activity and encourage more participation, yes
 
ah. yes, approx. what i thought.
 
hyper did you have a golflang to add to the list?
 
as much as i say rep should not be a primary incentive and rep doesn't really matter to diamond mods, i am not particularly comfortable with the idea of parting with the internet number that validates the time i waste on SE :P
@Razetime no, i was just wondering if you were the one with the list and where to find it, in case i do want to look into starting a golflang category site or smth similar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
just a weird random idea
 
3:45 AM
oh cool cool
that's a decent idea
maybe I'll gh-pages the golflang list
 
that could be cool
yeah the category site doesn't need a server actually, based on the idea i had. so it could go into a gh pages and then people could contribute really trivially like that. will think about it; i tend to have a lot of weird ideas pop into my head but not the motivation to do it :p
 
more barriers to your proposed abuse: even if mods aren't rate-limited with their deletions, people might... notice... what was happening and complain
 
well yeah it is purely a hypothetical :p
(also no deletions are involved - just downvote and later undownvote, but you'll need to edit to unlock the vote)
(which of course will still be noticed right away)
(and also the vote abuse script would probably get in your way and cancel some downvotes and ruin the plan)
 
oh yeah sorry
 
(so yeah anyway it's a great way to lose your diamond and also probably definitely get suspended!)
 
3:52 AM
(and you would have to be de-modded first since mods can unsuspend themselves!)
 
oh yeah i haven't tried suspending myself yet
fun fact: if a mod disables their diamond in chat and gets suspended and then re-mods themselves, they cannot be unsuspended anymore; the button apparently just does not exist
source: a mod asked shog to suspend them from chat once for science :P
 
4:20 AM
sometime tomorrow morning/noon-ish for me (so about 12h from now, 24h from the pinned announcement) i'll submit the first-time asker popup for review - if you haven't taken a look and provided any feedback / concerns / improvements you might have, now's your chance - codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/23485/…
 
4:40 AM
TIB/Rust story: After two weeks of head bashing and going through lots of github repos, crate docs, and blog posts, I'm finally convinced that the only solution for threading in TIB is to go against common best practices and throw static mut into my code
 
@Bubbler whats TIB
a rust lib?
 
TryInBrowser
 
I froze my dog. Now I have a static mut.
 
Wow y'all having fun conversations while I gotta do Java exam. ;p
 
i am sorry for your loss
how cursed was it :p
 
4:51 AM
still going
 
Good luck on it :p
 
@lyxal Excuse me I also have a Design and Analysis of Algorithms exam very soon
 
@Razetime exam gang lets go
 
tf u doin in tnb then
 
4:52 AM
daily ping gang is ebicker
 
Imagine having exams, made by in the middle of summer gang
 
multitasking like a real gamer
@hyper-neutrino ^
 
@hyper-neutrino ya finish the exam in 30 minutes and you have to wait for an hour due to exam reasons
 
lol true
 
Nah I'm still going
taking a mini-tnb-break
because why not
and because it's an online exam you can do anywhere
 
4:53 AM
So...they let you go to arbitrary programming related sites during exams?
 
yep
open book
well, open web
 
interesting
 
idk what lyxal's school is doing lol
 
*university
 
4:54 AM
We have this really annoying proctoring system
 
"This is an OPEN book examination...there are no restrictions placed on resources available to you"
 
well i'll be happy to provide you with more java that is so cursed it will get you instantly expelled
 
(quote from exam)
@Razetime covid
 
Unfortunately I won't know cursed Java until I take Computer Science A next year :(
 
@Razetime i.e. malware and privacy violations? :p
@RedwolfPrograms i'd be happy to introduce it to you sooner
 
4:55 AM
@hyper-neutrino it only works on chrome, locks the browser to full screen
also it has this AI for detecting eye movement?
 
they barely even cover non cursed java
 
chromebooks only? or just all google chrome
 
btw it's surprisingly not cursed
 
any google chrome
 
@UnrelatedString well that's because that doesn't really exist
 
4:55 AM
i am trying to create my own esolang but i am bad at naming things. help
well i named it s1pL3
 
i think they drop something from the curriculum every four years
 
@hyper-neutrino the exam is actually relatively normal
 
if you open tabs or windows you immediately forfeit
@MaanasB sure maanas, what does it do
do you have an implementation
 
oh, so it doesn't prevent leaving it just makes you instantly die if you try cheating
 
well that's a name tihebn
thevb
then
 
4:56 AM
not really just got the io
 
@hyper-neutrino yeah fun stuff
 
I think I've designed the perfect web stack. PHP + SQL. Cursed Java applet on the front end, running an interpreter for that scratch fake lyxal had to use. Coffeescript with server side rendering.
 
will put on github i a couple of minutes
 
sounds like a great way to accidentally commit die while someone could probably just cheat on a phone or smth
my uni just assumes people are honest lol, i think it works pretty well overall tbh
one of my math classes last term just said "ok you can consult anyone or anything you want lmao, as long as you demonstrate you understand and promise you wrote the solution yourself"
and then just made the problems really hard xd
 
Hopefully mine'll be like that when I go in checks broken watch three years
 
4:59 AM
the most cursed part of my exam is the music I'm listening to: youtube.com/watch?v=o4F3J5zFM8M
 
If there's anything we can count on it's your music taste being cursed
 
okay nvm yep there's a cursed question.
to summarise: write a class. it has an instance variable X (array of class Y). Now write a function called X which returns whether there are assigned elements in X
 
just made the esolang open source - github.com/PyGamer0/s1mpL3
 
I thought Java was supposed to be readable and all that
 
5:01 AM
nope
nevermind
read the question wrong
stupid page wrapping
 
oh you missed an m from your initial message
i was wondering what s1pL3 was supposed to mean
 
not s1ple s1mpL3
means simple
 
ighto exam done
 
poggers
on a scale of yes to very yes how bad was it
 
for some reason my commit messages are thrice as long as they used to be
 
5:15 AM
@hyper-neutrino surprisingly no
 
:o
nice
 
I had to manually vectorise addition between two vectors though
Made me miss golfing languages.
 
I just did a huge, and probably overkill, edit/re-writing on A Cat's Game to Claim
Do you guys mind taking a look and letting me know what you think?
 
Just glanced over it, but it does look a lot clearer now.
The H1 at the top is a little redundant though
 
5:19 AM
Do you mean clearer, or just longer, haha
@RedwolfPrograms Woah, good point thanks! Taking that out now
That was actually always there, and on purpose too
Somehow I thought other people did that, but it looks like just in the Sandbox. Prob got that confused
Is putting ##Intro or ##Background also redundant? I feel like I've seen that before
 
those headers make sense
 
That's fine I think, since it lets people know it's not the actual description of the task if they're just skimming the challenge
 
yeah. some people aren't a fan of flavortext and as long as it isn't excessive, marking with headers lets people skip over it if they want
 
wat
is it even possible (barring the DOM hack)
 
yep
so basically the way this works is
you can undelete an answer to a deleted question and it doesn't undelete the question it just makes the answer undeleted (idk if normal users can do this; it may just be a mod thing)
but this doesn't make sense, and there have been issues in the past where a question getting deleted didn't properly deal with answers
so there's an hourly script that forces answers to deleted questions to also be gone
and then whoever undeleted it now has an undeletion vote on the answer, and apparently undeleting it again doesn't clear the vote, and the script will delete it again and add another undeletion vote
 
5:36 AM
So there's an hourly script to handle something but it still doesn't really fix the things
I'd say it's way too cursed, but I guess it's typical for... SE?
 
@hyper-neutrino & @RedwolfPrograms Thanks guys!!
 
@Wasif I think with the -s flag you can take input to scale the circle image
so you do ditaa -s and submit
also I am half sure that you can make the bounding box smaller
 

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