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3:03 PM
Hello again! I'd very much appreciate some feedback on this sandbox post:
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Recursive Co.Build a raw string code-golf string In this challenge you will write code which, given a single line string as input, can output the raw version. Full spec The input will be a string like ab\n or ab\u0065e\\ or e\'543 which is valid in your language. These strings should be converted to a raw ve...

 
... you're ophact right
or are you someone with a very similar identicon that I am confusing with ophact
 
I am ophact
Just changed username
 
ah, okay :p
 
3:17 PM
@RecursiveCo. May I ask what the Co. means?
 
"company"
 
what I can infer from this is we should worship JavaScript?
 
@user Actually no, once we were playing an online game with my friends and, lost for what to call myself, went with something starting with Recursive. Originally Recursive Consultant and then got shortened to Recursive Co. so I stayed with that name
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I'd make a joke about that, but ... CoC
 
3:18 PM
Either that or be a language atheist :P
 
That's why you use === ;)
 
I am a polytheist when it comes to that
:P
 
that's what the term "language agnostic" refers to then. :D
 
I get that some people believe that JS exists, but personally, I don't find it convincing
 
:P
 
3:19 PM
There's just too many inconsistencies in the documentation :P
 
I believe Christianity JS exists, but I just don't believe in God 0 :P
 
but without JS how could the internet have come to be? checkmate, atheists
 
Even though I love JavaScript, I know it was designed for money, even starting from the name, which was chosen to capitalize on the popularity of Java.
 
@hyper-neutrino * language atheists
@RecursiveCo. It was designed???
 
Oops sorry wrong choice of word
 
3:21 PM
I see you subscribe to the intelligent design theory, but I think JS came from primordial ooze :P
@cairdcoinheringaahing Mind if I repost that elsewhere?
 
@user Go ahead, it's not mine :P
 
I wonder why everyone complains about how strange JS is when you have Python's confusing keyword argument system in which arguments look similar to named arguments
 
Python is less strange
 
May 27 at 14:42, by Redwolf Programs
Python takes you on a date, talks to you for a while, and its issues slowly start to show up. JS shakes your hand, punches you in the face, and then is fairly normal from then on.
 
The indent thing, though.
 
3:23 PM
> JS: Is literally hot garbage pretending to be a language
> JS engineers: I don't get all this hate for JS. Look at this minor problem in a different language
 
@hyper-neutrino s/and then is fairly normal from then on/and then you either get a restraining order or get Stockholm Syndrome like Redwolf
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing is that an actual quote?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Whataboutism :/
@RecursiveCo. Yes, you just said it :P
 
I mean has it appeared verbatim anywhere?
Like on reddit or something
 
@RecursiveCo. Not to my knowledge
 
3:44 PM
Golfed the first-time asker dialog a bit more; here's what it looks like, 24" 1080p
feedback on the edits (revision history under this) / suggestions for how to reduce unnecessarily info more?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I thought it was based on certain actions, not time spent on the site
Like just going to your profile page counts as doing something, so I just had that bookmarked and clicked it daily to get it on SO
 
fortunately it doesn't have to be daily in your own time zone
 
4:19 PM
Unless you're unfortunate enough to live in the UTC timezone
 
Just got my second nice answer badge (that I actually deserve)!
 
Congrats!
Link?
 
G'job!
Can't wait to see you answer more in Risky!
 
@RedwolfPrograms That's a - dare I say it - nice answer
 
4:20 PM
You don't seem to answer so often...
 
Because it's Risky to do so :P
 
I usually don't arrive in time to FGITW :p
I used to answer lots of old questions, but they're a lot of work and nobody really sees it
 
I do, I'm one of those users who is curious enough to click on every new active question and see the most recent answer, maybe upvote it if good.
 
I've had a question I want to answer bookmarked for like a week now, I guess I'll go ahead attempt it
I'm going to do it in JS first, but I might attempt a Risky answer if it goes well
 
Link? Sounds interesting
 
4:24 PM
This, but you gotta promise not to ninja me :p
 
Don't worry, I'll attempt it in Python
Anybody else keep getting timeout errors?
 
@RecursiveCo. where, with TIO?
 
No, on TNB
I know I'm about to get another one, the message is gray
No, on TNB
Just got one, see?
Duplicate post for some reason
 
Sounds like network issues, not happening for me
 
yeah, seems like your internet is being weird. i am not encountering any issues. the double-post thing is a well-known issue when your internet is lagging ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i think this is probably good
 
4:34 PM
Add links to the "things to avoid", "loopholes", "IO" meta posts
(I'm too lazy to edit my answer)
 
We can provide feedback on that in the Sandbox
the first link already has "how to ask" which contains helpful advice to those things and more
 
Perhaps you could add a note on how long challenges should ideally be in the sandbox?
 
I'll just add "for a few days"
 
Is it possible to make the text about off-topic questions a little larger? (## or at least ###)
timeout error again :(
 
I think bold is sufficient personally
 
4:38 PM
Otherwise, I think the first-time dialog is great.
Ready to update
 
x(x-1)
I am quite stupid
 
TIL VS code has the built-in ability to connect to remote targets like WSL instances
 
You need an extension iirc, but yeah, it's really cool
 
I didn't know that was built-in
ninja'd lol: yeah I thought it needed an extension
 
4:50 PM
...maybe i hit an install extension button at some point :P
ah
it is by microsoft
so yeah technically an extension but close enough to built-in tbh
 
Apparently it's a preview (or I have an old version), so maybe it'll be builtin in the future
Quick question: Is it acceptable to purposely choose a language in which you hope an answer will turn out very long just for the heck of it? (on a [code golf] question)
 
Why wouldn't it be?
As long as it's a serious contender within the language
 
Great :P
 
I thought of a really cool mathematical solution to part of a challenge, but it makes the other half of the problem too hard so it didn't work out :(
 
Make it a CMQ and have a smarter person solve it for you, that's what I do
 
It's felt normal to me, but I don't really keep numbers on how much garbage we get.
 
@totallyhuman Wow, welcome back!
 
hello!
 
5:38 PM
Outgolfed someone by 81 bytes in JS lol
 
6:18 PM
@RecursiveCo. We've had a spam post and a VLQ off-topic just today, we're getting the same amount (ish) of garbage, but we're just better at getting rid of it
 
the fact that we have a bot that posts within 2 seconds and users that can close/delete it within another like 20 definitely helps :P
 
Even when it's minor UI bug fixes, it's nice to see CMs marking things as :D
@hyper-neutrino Well, we are the home of challenges :P
 
woo, another bug yaakov'd \o/
yaakov has even posted an answer to our site before? nice!
@cairdcoinheringaahing true :p
the other day i nuked something in 17 seconds and someone still managed to flag it before me and get the helpful flag
 
Yes, someone 👀
 
6:39 PM
Anyone else noticed a surprisingly large number of people on SE live in Texas?
uh...is the rep graph not showing on CGCC meta for any of y'all?
The mysterious box is gone, but the graph is too
 
lol... once again, with a bug fix comes a bug in its place
reproduced on FF/windows
 
It affects all the metas too
That's SO
 
yeah it appears they just deleted an element for no reason
guess you can go get yourself some free MSE rep xD
 
Oh wait, apparently they've never existed?
The screenshot in the question is also missing the rep graph
 
6:50 PM
 
That's not meta
 
oh on meta....
 
I'm not 100% sure, I kind of remember it being there, but I may be mixing up meta and main
 
Same here
 
I don't think there's ever been a graph there
 
6:51 PM
It wouldn't make sense to have one
 
maybe not then. it wouldn't really make sense for there to be one
if it were a bug i feel like it would've been reported by now lol
 
I'm going to go get a screenshot of every page on the site now, so I can tell when things have been broken :p
 
Can't you use the Wayback Machine or something?
 
won't be logged in so some things might not be recorded
 
6:53 PM
Just try Ctrl-Z and if nothing changes then you know that this is how it's always been
 
nope lol
 
@RedwolfPrograms nope. There's no rep on meta.
 
Finished my first draft of the no argument for the blog post
@Catija Thanks for confirming that, wasn't sure if I was going crazy or not :p
 
@pxeger Well someone should've archived the Internet Archive smh
 
lol
 
6:57 PM
@user But what if that went down as well? Someone should archive an archive of the Internet Archive
 
it's archives all the way down
 
Maybe we all live in an archive
 
Does the Internet Archive include itself?
 
Just a pointer
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing interesting question
alas, we can't know right now
 
6:58 PM
is it offline? just check the internet archive, it should have a recent copy
 
I can't tell if you're serious
 
obviously not
 
(I would've said "joking," but ...)
 
hits blunt Yo dawg, I heard you like archives, so I put an archive in your archive
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no, I'm hyper-neutrino
 
6:59 PM
And, related question: would an archive of the Internet Archive have both itself and the Internet Archive of itself?
 
recursive internet archive
 
@user ninja'd lmao
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Nah, just an archive of the Internet Archive
 
like when you put two mirrors facing each other with no other light?
 
It's like in JS when you do x = {a: 1, b: 2}; x.x = x;
 
7:00 PM
It's like a circular linked list, with an archive of the last archive being held by the Internet Archive
 
So you have x.x.a, which is x.a, but also x.x.x.a, which is x.x.a, which is x.a
 
you can do it in Python too
x = []; x.append(x)
 
Python: l = [1, 2, 3]; l.append(l); print(l)
 
>>> x = []
>>> x.append(x)
>>> x
[[...]]
 
CMC: Recursive array or object
 
Haskell, 0 bytes: impossible
 
@RedwolfPrograms Haskell: a=a
@pxeger ???
 
not with a list
 
a=1:a
 
@RedwolfPrograms I think this is impossible in Jelly, as everything is pass-by-value
 
7:02 PM
@user that doesn't count
 
@pxeger Oh, you mean a list containing a list?
 
JS, 12: x=[];x[0]=x
 
yes
 
(aside from execing Python)
 
imagine using multiple statements. this post made by the print((lambda x:x.append(x)or x)([])) gang
 
7:03 PM
Wait, does x[0]=x=[] work?
 
i hope not
 
Aw, it doesn't
 
@pxeger What about data S=S S|N;a=S a? (recursive object)
 
x is not defined
 
*uncocks language-killing gun*
 
7:04 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing You had this all along and you never once thought to use it on JS?!
 
Save it for SQL
 
Shoot it now
 
22 hours ago, by Catija
Please don't make me write SQL.
 
Okay SQL too, but definitely JS
 
Js has earned a few extra days of running given that x[0]=x=[] doesn't work :P
 
7:04 PM
If SQL were a breed of dog it would be a Tesla Cybertruck
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obvious star bait but I love it
 
If SQL were a breed of dog it'd be a Siamese cat
 
I have two siamese cats right next to me lol
 
yeah i don't exactly see how jelly could do this. rip.
 
@RedwolfPrograms pics required
 
7:05 PM
@RedwolfPrograms Beware, one might be SQL
 
(or it didn't happen)
 
@hyper-neutrino laughs in ŒV :P
 
i meant without that
 
user image
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(Repost)
 
That cat looks like you just told him you adopted him :P
 
7:07 PM
@RedwolfPrograms That cat looks like it just saw SQL
 
@RedwolfPrograms Dyalog APL, 11: {⍵.a←⍵}⎕NS⍬
 
@RedwolfPrograms That cat looks like it just realised it is SQL
 
he always looks like that too lol
 
what's his name
 
Still going through denial?
 
7:08 PM
@pxeger Stormie
 
and the other cat?
 
From X-Men? lol
 
All cats that have to be adjacent to a red wolf look like that.
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@Adám lmao the ultra-rare Adám dad-joke
 
7:08 PM
@RedwolfPrograms Ah, the fifth stage of grief: acceptance of SQL
 
(That's the other cat)
 
Oh this one is SQL then
The other's just afraid of the SQL cat
 
Hang on one of the cats is stuck in a shoe box
 
if i fits i sits
 
CMC: Output a red wolf. Using 🐺 is permitted despite default loopholes.
 
7:12 PM
_=>"a red wolf"
 
6 bytes in jelly, “¢¿9’Ọ (using chr because it's not part of the codepage so it'll get discarded)
 
@user Nope, that loophole isn't suspended.
@hyper-neutrino Wait, is that red?
 
@Adám Zsh, 18 bytes: ato.pxeger.com/…
(can't guarantee it will work in your terminal and with your font)
 
@Adám ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (tio) i just copy-pasted yours
 
@hyper-neutrino You gots to use the terminal color escapes :P
 
7:13 PM
@pxeger 18
 
wait you can do that to emojis?
 
Only one way to find out :P
 
Told you UTF-8 was hard
I just assumed CyberChef would tell me length in bytes, but no
 
I think you have to add the un-emoji character (!) after it.
 
which color would it change? :P
 
7:15 PM
Please post screenshot evidence of your attempts.
🐺︎ (U+1F43A,U+FE0E) vs 🐺 (U+1F43A)
 
data:text/html;charset=utf8,<p style=color:red>🐺 would have worked in Firefox a few versions ago, until they fixed coloured emoji
 
@pxeger data:text/html;charset=utf-8,<p style=color:red>%F0%9F%90%BA%EF%B8%8E works for me in Firefox.
 
I have an idea
 
 
@Adám not for me
 
7:22 PM
@pxeger Maybe you need to upgrade your Firefox.
 
(Firefox 90.0b6, Arch Linux; default font is Noto Sans)
I don't need to upgrade my Firefox. I'm 1 major version ahead of stable (FF Developer Edition)
 
Oh. I'm on Windows, rendering as Segoe UI Symbol
 
But it's actually using "Twemoji Mozilla", which I presume is some custom font Firefox uses to get Twemoji to work?
 
Glorfindel's mod announcement on MM has hit +65 in 5 hours (with 1 downvote) :P
 
Unfortunately the spacing butchers it a bit
 
7:28 PM
That's valid, imo.
 
except for the fact that it doesn't look like a wolf imo
 
It's Redwolf's pfp :P
 
oh
 
document.body.style.fontSize = "11px";
document.body.style.letterSpacing = "-2px";
document.body.style.lineHeight = "11px";
document.body.style.fontFamily = "monospace";
document.body.style.whiteSpace = "pre";
document.body.style.color = "#990000";

document.body.textContent = "⠋⠀⠉⡁⢈⠉⠀⠙\n⠇⢶⠘⢃⡛⠰⡆⠸\n⡆⠀⣾⣿⣿⣷⠀⢰\n⣄⠀⣈⡛⢛⣁⠀⣠"
That one's better ^
I had to hand-draw that with 0 and 1 to get my braille drawing tool to accept it, which is why it took so long :p
 
7:31 PM
not bad
 
I messed with the line and letter spacing for a while to get it to look consistent
 
well, MM has rep of course... my graph there looks unlike most rep graphs
 
@Adám Wolfram Alpha, 12 bytes: red wolf pic
 
Does Mathematica have a built-in for that?
 
7:33 PM
 
@pxeger Kind of. Apparently, the corresponding Mathematica code (i.e. without W⍺'s natural language preprocessor) is Entity["Species", "Species:CanisRufus"][EntityProperty["Species", "Image"]]
 
of course lmfao
 
> CanisRufus
@RedwolfPrograms Change your name to Rufus :P
 
Aw, Text doesn't syntax highlight chucknorris properly
 
Ok, so this has a solid consensus for "Yes feed for Codidact challenges", and a strong opinion for "No feed for Codidact Sandbox or Meta". Therefore, I'm starting a feed for Codidact challenges, and we can add or change this if opinions change. Feel free to brainstorm names/pixelcon for the new feed
 
7:40 PM
 
We can probably just use the CGCD logo, right?
 
@Feeds thanks
 
And call it Codidact Posts?
 
Sounds good to me (ping @hyper-neutrino ^)
Logo - anyone want to make it 16x16 pixel art?
 
@Wezl ^
 
7:42 PM
I'm going to try actually doing a good job this time :p
 
@Adám lol thanks for pinging me
 
ping me when an icon is finalized
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing is it fine if I make a codidactyl instead?
 
What's that?
 
7:44 PM
it's the mascot
 
Sure. Anyone who has an idea can suggest one and we can have an informal straw-poll
 
ngn
isn't codidact all about unicorns
 
Extrememly rough first draft:
 
The trophy and braces need a lot of work
 
Given that CodeGolf.Codidact has its own logo, I like using that more than using a generic Codidact thing
 
Okay I got the brackets looking way cooler
Still needs a lot of work. Opinions?
 
Looks good to me. I'd like to see if anyone else has any other suggests before hyper finalises it tho :)
 
Oh no...I've just uncovered a conspiracy
The NMP logo isn't 16x16
 
7:57 PM
why has NMP been stealing lisp linked list cells at sea?
 

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