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quartata
quartata
11:00 PM
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I mean, I can fix that...
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
T_T
 
quartata
quartata
That's mostly because most of those questions are either mistagged or are on Game Dev se though
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
ninja'd is sort of a meme - let's unlock the meme thread (although it's more like a slang term)
but it's for foreign users
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
No.
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
it's already on the meme thread iirc
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
11:00 PM
I think that's a bad idea.
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ W_W
 
quartata
quartata
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ By the way, if you ever have a question about Hammer or Source internals this is the place to go: steamcommunity.com/app/211/discussions
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
I see, thanks!
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan The other communities have their's open
 
quartata
quartata
Myself along with some other nerds colleagues patrol that pretty regularly
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
11:01 PM
we're all nerds here >_>
 
quartata
quartata
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ This particular question wouldn't have fit
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
ye XD
 
quartata
quartata
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ We're particularly bad though
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
._. okay
 
quartata
quartata
A notable and 100% false quote:
> I walk into a bar and say "Hey baby, i make levels on hammer" and i never go home alone -Earkham
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
11:02 PM
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC the other communities don't have dozens of messages in their chatroom moved to the trash on a regular basis.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC yes, but memes got out of hand in our community, evolving into pretty much spam
 
quartata
quartata
Plus, ninja'd isn't exactly a meme unique to us....
 
Quill
Quill
@quartata it's always nice to see communities with good knowledge sets
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
We need a list of slang in PPCG - just like python chat doed
*s
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
sighs
 
New Meta Posts
New Meta Posts
11:05 PM
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Q: Anti-golf questions

l0b0Would it be acceptable to ask questions here that ask for the biggest program to solve a problem, for some measure of big: characters, lines, bytes in memory etc.? And what sort of constraints would be necessary to avoid trivial near-infinite extensions of the size? For example, simply requiring ...

discussion
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
uh oh
 
Quill
Quill
@NewMetaPosts ewww
 
New Sandboxed Posts
New Sandboxed Posts
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹCMake a Fork Bomb code-golf under construction, please constructively (no pun intended) criticize Create a program which forks itself at least twice. Whether it continues forever or exits is your choice. Forks must be OS forks - no launching the program using open or whatnot. Rules No spoon ...

 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
We need to make the sandbox bot faster
 
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
@quartata I now have two small stars on my pointless casual badge
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
11:06 PM
5 minute delay
 
quartata
quartata
@NewMetaPosts dupehammer pls
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC There's nothing we can do about it, it's just how the feed feature works
It's not actually a bot
@Quill good but useless
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@quartata custom bot coding skills to the rescue!
@quartata or just make a feature request
 
quartata
quartata
I mean I suppose some of us have made Source games but unless you shell out $25,000 for the Havok physics engine license you can't make any dough off of it
 
PhiNotPi
PhiNotPi
Very aesthetically pleasing youtube channel I just found: youtube.com/user/ISOGAWAYoshihito/videos
 
quartata
quartata
It's about as passionate as a passion project can get
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
11:09 PM
I'm guessing it's a delay on the RSS feed and the delay/caching is for a reason so the SE servers don't blow up
 
quartata
quartata
@PhiNotPi heh
We get about a question a week about "making indie game with source engine." Just got one now actually
 
Quill
Quill
@Downgoat not really a problem with the RSS feeds
 
quartata
quartata
it's somewhat disheartening to break the news to them...
 
Quill
Quill
they get published instantly
the chat feeds get sent to chat via a recurring cron job
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@Quill ah ok
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
11:12 PM
Another challenge
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@Quill idk i was just guessing
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
revival of underhanded
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹCMake innocuous-looking code that breaks the system in the worst possible way. popularity-contest please help improve this challenge. and at the risk of looking stupid - PLEASE OH PLZ HELP Yeah - that's just what I asked you to do. Rules Breaking a system doesn't just mean crashing your own ...

much better though
Make innocuous-looking code that breaks the system in the worst possible way.
 
Dennis
Dennis
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC That violates at least two site rules and will get closed instantly.
Underhanded contests are officially off topic. So is asking for malicious code.
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@Dennis popularity-contest is the criterion
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
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Q: Should asking for malicious code be on topic?

Martin EnderWe're occasionally getting questions which ask people to write harmful code. This used to be big when code trolling was a thing, but it's not limited to that. Every now and then there are underhanded challenges or popularity-contests which ask participants to write malicious code (which may or ma...

discussion questions scope
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
11:14 PM
@Dennis remember the one about breaking your programming language?
 
quartata
quartata
Malicious code is actually against the TOS
And underhanded is off topic now
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Breaking your own programming language (non-permanently) is very different from "Do as much damage to the Operating system as possible."
 
quartata
quartata
I like how my "possible duplicate" autocomment got 2 upvotes but no additional close votes
 
Dennis
Dennis
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Rendering a language unusable is fixed by restarting the interpreter.
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
what if I rephrased it to make sure the program asked if you wanted to crash your computer
 
quartata
quartata
11:15 PM
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC No
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@Dennis some of them broke your interpreter premanently
@quartata XD
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC What if a malicious user, took some code the community wrote for answers, and removed the prompt? You've essentially crowdsourced the writing of malware.
 
quartata
quartata
2 days ago, by quartata
> Subscriber represents, warrants and agrees that it will not contribute any Subscriber Content that... (e) contains a virus, trojan horse, worm, time bomb or other computer programming routine or engine that is intended to damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or expropriate any system, data or information, or (f) remains posted after Subscriber has been notified that such Subscriber Content violates any of sections (a) to (e) of this sentence.
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan It sure does help the security teams too
 
Dennis
Dennis
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A: The state of the underhanded tag

Alex A.Note that underhanded is not a winning criterion, unlike popularity-contest; it's more like math in that it's a specification of the content of the challenge. Underhanded challenges can be code golfs or popularity contests or whatever. I don't think the issue is that it's difficult to find a obje...

 
quartata
quartata
11:17 PM
Pretty airtight right there
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@Dennis it has popularity-contest
 
quartata
quartata
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC ?
It's an underhanded challenge
 
New Sandboxed Posts
New Sandboxed Posts
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹCMake innocuous-looking code that breaks the system in the worst possible way. popularity-contest please help improve this challenge. Yeah - that's just what I asked you to do. Rules Breaking a system doesn't just mean crashing your own process - it means crashing other processes, damaging t...

 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@quartata what about the ones that broke your programming language permantenly
 
quartata
quartata
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Show me them, I don't recall any like those. Those probably should be removed if they exist
 
Dennis
Dennis
11:18 PM
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Why do you keep saying that? An underhanded popularity contest is still underhanded. Thus, off topic.
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@quartata it's popularity contest by design - underhanded by description
@Dennis
> Note that underhanded is not a winning criterion, unlike popularity-contest
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
> Underhanded challenges can be code golfs or popularity contests or whatever. I don't think the issue is that it's difficult to find a objective winning criteria for them.
 
quartata
quartata
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC ? ? ? ?
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
good thing I didn't post this on main
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Your challenge is both a) underhanded and b) popularity contest.
 
quartata
quartata
11:19 PM
The challenge has the underhanded tag
That's what matters
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@quartata ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿
Experiment Number One: Community reacts badly. Entire chatroom devoted to experiment no. 1
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@NewSandboxedPosts vote to delete??? This is sandbox not main ._. You should leave a comment
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@Downgoat yeah - thank goodness I didn't post it on main
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
@Downgoat I don't feel like commenting since there's enough feedback here in chat.
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
I have now measured that the community doesn't like these kinds of challenges
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
11:21 PM
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC FWIW, you're not the first person to think of a challenge like that. I even tried to post one myself years ago.
 
quartata
quartata
@Downgoat It's because it's asking for malicious code, it should be deleted
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Deleted now:
 
quartata
quartata
That sort of thing shouldn't be anywhere on the site
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
 
Geobits
Geobits
I dunno. The fact that it's asking for malicious code and is downvoted seems like a good signpost to me.
 
quartata
quartata
11:22 PM
@Geobits That's not the point, really. Besides signposts in the sandbox will never be seen lmao
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
^
 
Geobits
Geobits
Yeah, that's true.
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
I was just about to say that.
 
Geobits
Geobits
I think "it got quickly downvoted" is a better reason to delete from the sandbox than "it was about malicious code". On main, I'd recommend deletion.
self-deleted at least (in re sandbox)
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
Does that apply to this then? meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/9581/41088
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹCMake a Fork Bomb code-golf under construction, please constructively (no pun intended) criticize Create a program which forks itself at least twice. Whether it continues forever or exits is your choice. Forks must be OS forks - no launching the program using open or whatnot. Rules No spoon ...

 
Geobits
Geobits
11:25 PM
I was just considering that. It's borderline at best imo.
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Well, this is locked so probably.
On the other hand, this is open, so I'm not sure.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
I asked this earlier, but why aren't there any exponential integer data types?
 
Quill
Quill
in what sense?
 
Geobits
Geobits
Wow, there are about 400 [pokemon-go] questions on Arqade already.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
well, the range of E (the term I'll be using) is much larger than an standard int of the same number of bytes
but as you get higher the precision on the lower decimal places is reduced
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
11:28 PM
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan phew
 
Dennis
Dennis
@Geobits I only have one: What is Pokemon Go?
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
(not removed)
@Dennis a augmented reality game where you catch pokemon in real life destinations
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Dennis Can I assume it hasn't been released in your country yet?
Even people around here that don't know what a Pokemon is suddenly know what Pokemon Go is.
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
it's banned in the holocaust museum because to many people where playing it there @DEnnis
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Geobits I don't think it's been released in Britain yet, so South American countries will probably get it even later, if ever.
 
Dennis
Dennis
11:31 PM
@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC OK, now I have more questions.
@Geobits No idea.
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@Dennis I'm listening
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Dennis Do you know what Ingress is?
 
Dennis
Dennis
Nah, I'll keep them to myself.
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@Dennis one church was a Pokéstop and now atheists are coming
same for police stations and holocaust museum
 
Quill
Quill
@NathanMerrill how do you verify the accuracy?
 
Dennis
Dennis
11:33 PM
@Geobits Not really.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@Quill how is done with doubles?
 
Quill
Quill
also if you don't know how the double and float types are laid out internally, I suggest reading it
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
May 7 at 16:27, by mınxomaτ
user image
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@Quill I do
 
Quill
Quill
okay
 
Geobits
Geobits
11:34 PM
@Dennis Ok, well the basics of PoGo are that you can walk around catching Pokemon. Certain locations (often public areas like churches, parks, etc) are designated Pokestops, where you can refill on items (Pokeballs, revives, etc). Other locations are gyms, where you can battle other people's pokemon to take over the gym for your team (there are three teams).
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
maybe, something along the lines of "X digits * Y power"?
 
Geobits
Geobits
It's caught on like wildfire in many places, with crowds around all the parks here. Not to mention the kid that keeps biking up and down my street hatching eggs.
 
Quill
Quill
@NathanMerrill how is that different from a double or float though, like how are you going to represent in the size of an int?
 
Dennis
Dennis
O... K. That sounds weird.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
(1000101010)x2^(101010)
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
11:36 PM
@Geobits I thought the basics of pogo are jumping up and down on a stick.
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
@Dennis Going outside? Yeah, I agree.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@Quill double and floats allow for decimal representation, which is unneeded
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Geobits I seriously wonder if more people will have their lives prolonged by playing Pokémon Go due to the exercise than will be negatively impacted by doing stupid stuff.
 
Quill
Quill
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
we're gaining additional storage by removing that
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
11:37 PM
Jul 8 at 21:18, by Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
I tried going outside once. The graphics were incredible, but the story line was horrendous.
 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Jul 8 at 21:41, by mınxomaτ
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan That's what Ingress or Pokemon Go are for. They give the boring outside a story ;)
We had that conversation already :D
 
Geobits
Geobits
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Capitalization matters. <insert something about Uncle Jack here>
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@quartata ok yeah good point >_>
 
Geobits
Geobits
Yeah because the backstory in pokemon was always riveting >_>
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
@mınxomaτ oh. I don't even remember that.
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
11:40 PM
@Geobits the critical part of the pokemon backstory was picking a real-life rival to use.
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Dennis It is. I wouldn't say it's weirder than code golf, but it is a bit strange. Still fun.
 
New Sandboxed Posts
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

LiamFamily Tree, Folder Tree Given a simple family tree in a format reasonably similar to the format outlined below, create a file tree to match it, as explained below. Input An ascii family tree in a similar format to the following: Grandpa Jim = Grandma Jane ...

 
mınxomaτ
mınxomaτ
Time Warner's online auth API's security leaves something to be desired. In other news: Finally managed to get a flawless 1080p stream of the USA network to Germany.
 
Dennis
Dennis
@Geobits Um, yeah, I usually have a hard time explaining when I'm sitting at my computer and somebody asks What are you doing?
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Dennis "There are many ways to solve a problem and I'm trying to find the shortest."
 
Geobits
Geobits
11:42 PM
"why?"
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
question: Which sounds better: cut or slice for getting a substring from a string?
 
Geobits
Geobits
substring
 
Dennis
Dennis
What Geobits said.
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
@El'endiaStarman In a language that like 3 people can understand.
 
Dennis
Dennis
(why, not substring)
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan And I made.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
11:43 PM
@Geobits that's 9 characters o_O, waddya think, I'm making Java? :P
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Dennis At least two possible answers: "Because it's fun." or "Hey, I don't question your esoteric pleasure-seeking activities, so don't question mine!"
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Downgoat You didn't ask which was golfier. That should be obvious.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@Geobits i asked which was best between the two though
 
Quill
Quill
@Downgoat "I'm not building a golfing language" he says
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
well, you could do slice, but that only make sense if it uses the exact syntax as array slicing
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
11:44 PM
@Quill yeah but i personally don't like verbose code
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Downgoat I would suggest substr if it's specifically a string-related operation. If it's a general iterable (str, list, etc) operation, slice.
 
Geobits
Geobits
If you want to make a function that gets substrings, substring isn't a terrible choice. You can use whatever you want, but...
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@El'endiaStarman well i guess so. The logo is a slice of cheddar anyway
 
Dennis
Dennis
This being Cheddar, I'd go with cutTheCheese.
 
Geobits
Geobits
I thought it was a wedge of cheddar. I don't slice my cheese that way.
 
Quill
Quill
11:45 PM
@Downgoat verbose code is what happens when your internal methods are like four namespaces in, not when a function name is four chars longer
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Dennis Golfier: fart.
 
Dennis
Dennis
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@Quill Though no one wants to type 9 characters for such a basic operation.
 
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
@Dennis no, be pythonic and do cheese.cut() or cheese.slice()
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@Dennis this is new design philosophy brb
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
11:47 PM
you know, outside of this site, I rarely use substring
 
Dennis
Dennis
@Downgoat Are you related to Kenneth Iverson by any chance?
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
:|
not that i know of
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Downgoat Most people actually don't care that much outside golfing. I don't recall most people complaining about long function/class names unless they're really long, like 25+.
 
Dennis
Dennis
Yeah, Julia's Base.SubstitutionString is pretty bad...
 
Quill
Quill
@Downgoat users will do anything if the language is good enough
 
Dennis
Dennis
11:50 PM
No match for itertools.combinations_with_replacement though.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
screw it changing all method names to what jelly uses
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@Dennis I use this function (with its siblings) all the time too
 
Quill
Quill
Java programmers like the language, so they put up with its verbosity. If cheddar is a good language, then people will do whatever they must to use it. Don't bend to the will of the users
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
and Java isn't that verbose
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
but cheddar is not popular nor coffee so people wont have any reason to like it besides me sending out a free slice of cheddar cheese to whoever buys a pack of cheddar stickers
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
11:52 PM
its all the people that say "write getters and setters for every variable" that make things verbose
 
Quill
Quill
lol. I actually started following the same convention in JS
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
@Downgoat I'd buy cheddar stickers if you made them.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@NathanMerrill public static final void
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan wait rly?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@Downgoat that's not even valid
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
11:54 PM
@Downgoat unless they're crazy expensive.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@NathanMerrill i never learned java, sorry >_>
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
@Downgoat still isn't valid. If its a variable, it can't be void. If its a function, it can't be both static and final
:)
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
why do i need to prove this, i thought it was already well established that Java is verbose af
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
lol, I agree. I just think its a necessary verbosity
 
Quill
Quill
Java seems verbose when you come back from golfing languages
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
11:55 PM
well, in most cases
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
@Quill java is verbose even if you come from C.
Or C++
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
has anyone heard of/is familar with "PSPrint"?
trying to find a good sticker company
 
Dennis
Dennis
The first time I never heard of Java, I considered learning it. I looked at a sample program (Hello, World!) and it scared me off immediately.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
^ exact same story here
 
Aearnus
Aearnus
classic Android, forcing you into using java ;(
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
11:57 PM
IMHO, the worst problem is that Java lacks auto. Everything else makes sense due to static typing
 
Quill
Quill
@Downgoat tshirts are better
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
@Quill do you know of a company that does both?
 
Quill
Quill
something something Java 7
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Aearnus Android is when and why I learned Java.
 
Downgoat
Downgoat
> No (;_; y u do dis)
4 votes (67%)
;_;
what if i ship the stickers to you for free
 
Aearnus
Aearnus
11:59 PM
i've actually taken to writing a lot of stuff using the NDK - it's gross but at least i can write in a language i enjoy
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Downgoat not a fan of random acts of vandalism. Sorry
@Aearnus lol it really is gross
 
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man
> Yes ( :D :D :D \o/ \o/ \o/ ) 1 vote
:D
 
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