The Nineteenth Byte

El'endia Starman

5:00 PM

@Fatalize Yeah, my Facebook feed blew up. :P

TùxCräftîñg

hi @mbomb007

Rainbolt

@El'endiaStarman Another mod actually did send people to another room a while ago

3 hours ago, by Quill

Enough is enough @Matthew @Tux, if you want to continue looking at these pokemon photos, take it to a new room

Midnightas

5:17 PM

quack

kcauq

kook

kook

haha, palindromes

D:

5:19 PM

muhahahaa

TùxCräftîñg

y u do dis ;_;

Midnightas

im a sadist

TùxCräftîñg

0

A: Display "Happy Easter!"

Your Mom (non-competing), 331 bytes Decode the string and decompress it using the Jelly compressor 'IF8KfCgpL1z/AQAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEREREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIwMAAwMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQREREVAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAwMjAxEDAwEREBERABERABAAEAABEREAAREQAREwMQAREQARETAyMAEVMDYBADABBzABBzAwMDADABEVBgEANhEVA...

Midnightas

For an example, if you press CTRL+shift+w, most of your tabs will become yellow colored

Optimizer

Happy Easter, your mom

TùxCräftîñg

5:20 PM

._.

Midnightas

I love the AAAAAAAAAs

TùxCräftîñg

i have tested it, but in a different window

Midnightas

The language name should be spelled lowercase

your mom

TùxCräftîñg

why ?

Midnightas

Because Your Mom is a name

But saying your mom is like actually saying... your mom

TùxCräftîñg

5:22 PM

i spell it capitalized to avoid flags xD

Midnightas

oh xD

Before Majc was called Majc it was called hashmap and it started with a lowercase letter

I didn't get flagged

TùxCräftîñg

yup but your mom is offensive

Optimizer

-_-

Midnightas

oh, well alright :P

Optimizer

no, your mom is offensive

TùxCräftîñg

5:23 PM

but with Your Mom we see that it's a name

Optimizer

your mom is non competing!

Midnightas

Then it's not offensive and that is offensive to me

TùxCräftîñg

hi @NathanMerrill

Midnightas

D:

TùxCräftîñg

D:

it's a idea from mbomb007 D:

Midnightas

5:23 PM

What is wrong with this regex?!
`(?:(?:"(?:[^"\\]|\\.)*")|(?:[]?\d+(?:\.\d*)?(?:e[-+]?\d+)?)|(?:[a-zA-Z_]\w*)|(?:\+)|(?:\-)|(?:\*)|(?:\/)|(?:%)|(?:\^)|(?:(?<!=)=(?!=))|(?:!=)|(?:==)|(?:\>)|(?:\<)|(?:,)|(?:\|)|(?:\()|(?:\))|(?:\{)|(?:\})|(?:\[)|(?:\])|(?:\n+)|(?:\s+)|(?:\#\#.*)|(?:.))`

TùxCräftîñg

(?:(?:"(?:[^"\\]|\\.)*")|(?:[]?\d+(?:\.\d*)?(?:e[-+]?\d+)?)|(?:[a-zA-Z_]\w*)|(?:\‌+)|(?:\-)|(?:\*)|(?:\/)|(?:%)|(?:\^)|(?:(?<!=)=(?!=))|(?:!=)|(?:==)|(?:\>)|(?:\<)‌|(?:,)|(?:\|)|(?:\()|(?:\))|(?:\{)|(?:\})|(?:\[)|(?:\])|(?:\n+)|(?:\s+)|(?:\#\#.*‌)|(?:.))

Midnightas

I've been trying to fix this all day

Optimizer

haha

Midnightas

For some reason the backticks don't work for me

TùxCräftîñg

because backticks only work on one-line messages

Midnightas

5:24 PM

oh

TùxCräftîñg

hi @ArtOfCode

ArtOfCode

Evening

Midnightas

It says theres an unclosed character class near index 250

Which is the last parenthisis

TùxCräftîñg

regex101.com

Midnightas

ooo

There's no Java flavor D:

TùxCräftîñg

5:26 PM

D:

ArtOfCode

@Midnightas there is, you're missing a closing ) somewhere

Midnightas

oh, probably forgot to escape it

Business Cat

@Midnightas I wouldn't even know where to begin figuring that out

Midnightas

yeah

TùxCräftîñg

nvm

Midnightas

5:28 PM

wasn't it duplicate in your compiler regex?

regex101 says the end of the beginning capture group is at the first | character.

TùxCräftîñg

separate your regex in a array and join it

Midnightas

That's what I did

TùxCräftîñg

like what i do in ultimath tokenizer

Midnightas

I think I found it

TùxCräftîñg

:D

Poke

5:30 PM

[-+]

Midnightas

I think..

Poke

you need to escape the hyphen

Midnightas

Still an error

TùxCräftîñg

@Poke not needed AFAIK

(at least in the python regex lib)

Poke

[]?

what's that do

TùxCräftîñg

5:32 PM

i think github should add a hex view

Midnightas

@Poke It doesn't work for some reason without it

In the ultimath compiler the [] is actually a [-+]

To allow negative/positive numbers

Poke

o.o

i'm not getting an error when i escape the hyphen and remove []?

mınxomaτ

Actual error while starting OS X El Capitan.

OS X == serial killer confirmed.

Poke

what is this supposed to match anyway

TùxCräftîñg

._.

Midnightas

5:35 PM

It is supposed to match numbers/identifiers/pluses/dash/*//

etc

El'endia Starman

@Rainbolt Yes, which I appreciate. I just wish I coulda done it an hour sooner.

TùxCräftîñg

@mınxomaτ what is the full error message?

mınxomaτ

What do you mean? Every line is a message.

Poke

oh boy... schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/07/password_sharin_1.html

judges are dumb

TùxCräftîñg

;_;

Midnightas

5:40 PM

wow

that's horrible

Poke

corollary to that being if i (the owner) tell you that you can't login to my website even if you have the means to it's still a federal crime. I don't have to lock out your account or anything

Midnightas

Every single website except Java says the regex is correct, like what the hell?!

Poke

ooo java regex is finicky

Midnightas

yeah

It says there's an unbalanced parenthisis somewhere

Poke

make sure you escape your escapes

Midnightas

5:43 PM

I did

TùxCräftîñg

use python

Midnightas

I for some reason don't want to use Python for this

Poke

and by escape your escapes i mean use double backslash

Midnightas

I know

Poke

ok

Midnightas

5:45 PM

@Poke, if I put the code in a repo, will you be able to check it or something?

El'endia Starman

@Poke Relevant Snopes pointed out by a commenter: snopes.com/2016/07/12/…

Poke

i can throw it in eclipse and try it

Midnightas

Great, thanks.
I'll make a new repo

Business Cat

@Midnightas You should try JQuery

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Midnightas

What for?

El'endia Starman

5:46 PM

Basically, the issue is really more that an employee A was fired by company X, and used the password of employee B (with B's permission) to get access to data that employee A previously owned, before they were fired.

Poke

@El'endiaStarman yeah i get that but the law is not going to be that strict

Business Cat

It's just a joke

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A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: jQuery Originator: Unknown (possibly Ólafur Waage) Cultural Height: TBD Background: A Stack Overflow-centric meme, jQuery began its career early on as the answer to beat for any question that even remotely referenced JavaScript. Its popularity became so great that eventually jQuery becam...

Midnightas

@Poke, here ya go github.com/lvivtotoro/aldranis

Poke

it's setting a bad precedent

Midnightas

I had to commit to fix something, poke

brb

El'endia Starman

5:58 PM

This is incredible: imgur.com/gallery/nKn2uUi

TùxCräftîñg

:O

Poke

@Midnightas i'm not getting the error when i remove the []?

Midnightas

really?

I'll try it out when I launch my ubuntu again

TùxCräftîñg

Hi @Downgoat

Downgoat

@TùxCräftîñg Hello!

TùxCräftîñg

6:04 PM

Your Mom now have a compressor \o/

Downgoat

Cool! What kind?

Midnightas

@Downgoat Hey beergoat, there's an entire Stylish style dedicated to *u*:
https://userstyles.org/styles/130158/goatexchange

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TùxCräftîñg

@Downgoat github.com/tuxcrafting/your-mom/blob/master/src/jellycomp.js

^ source of the compressor

Downgoat

@Midnightas wat oh my god this is awesome

TùxCräftîñg

WAT

Downgoat

6:06 PM

@TùxCräftîñg i thought jelly compressor used dictionary?

TùxCräftîñg

@Downgoat no, but the compression algorithm is efficient for kolmogorov-complexity

Downgoat

Ah ok

TùxCräftîñg

like

0

A: Display "Happy Easter!"

Your Mom (non-competing), 331 bytes Decode the string and decompress it using the Jelly compressor 'IF8KfCgpL1z/AQAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEREREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIwMAAwMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQREREVAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAwMjAxEDAwEREBERABERABAAEAABEREAAREQAREwMQAREQARETAyMAEVMDYBADABBzABBzAwMDADABEVBgEANhEVA...

Downgoat

Though it's longer than JS :/

perhaps use shoco?

TùxCräftîñg

it's because i use base64 :/

since the language use utf-8 i cant read binary so i must use base64 encoding

TimmyD

6:09 PM

@Poke No, it's not. If I give you a key to my house (a password), and you give that key to someone else (share it), and they use it to enter my house, that's unauthorized entry and could be punishable as a crime. Same here.

Downgoat

@TùxCräftîñg oh

maybe make custom encoding then

TùxCräftîñg

@Downgoat i am creating it

the codepage is already created but unused :/

TimmyD

If you look at it the other way, a ruling that the employee can give their password to whomever they want, and those people can access whatever resources they want, and it's all authorized ... that's completely absurd

Downgoat

@TùxCräftîñg i asked zyabin if he reinstalled and he said Nope, but yet he says the bug is still happening. Wat

TùxCräftîñg

strange

:/

building work for you?

Downgoat

6:14 PM

Yea

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

github.com/zyabinVI/SE-Chatbot/pull/3#issuecomment-232071159

> @vihanb How can I call the onmessage function on an arbitrary string from the JS console? I need this for testing.

TùxCräftîñg

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 so you use a C9 workspace for testing Your Mom ?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Yeah.

Poke

@TimmyD I don't think this is true

Downgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 what does that mean?

TùxCräftîñg

6:15 PM

have you tried with your personal computer ?

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 ^

Poke

@TimmyD it is not the fault of the person using the password in this case. it's a failure of the authentication systems and the owner of that password

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

I can't install node on my personal computer.

TùxCräftîñg

why?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

I can install, but running node immediately crashes it.

TùxCräftîñg

ಠ_ಠ

what is the error message (if any)?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

6:17 PM

._.

@TùxCräftîñg -._(._.)_.- I really don't know.

Downgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 what is your node -v?

TùxCräftîñg

hai @Phrancis

Downgoat

@TùxCräftîñg what are you using readlineSync for?

El'endia Starman

TIL a magnesium fire/explosion is super bright.

TùxCräftîñg

@Downgoat for the user input

Downgoat

6:19 PM

it uses node bindings without NAN IIRC making it really buggy

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Downgoat On the C9 workspace? v5.10.1. On the personal computer I don't have node.

Downgoat

@TùxCräftîñg use prompt-sync instead.

TùxCräftîñg

@Downgoat ok

Downgoat

> ;_; u fergit file name ;_; y u do dis

gaot is sowee fer fergitng fiel naem ;_;

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Downgoat Mego wants me to never ask others for help testing, so I have to do it all myself

Downgoat

6:23 PM

you can't really as it extracts too much data from the HTML.

El'endia Starman

Innovative ways to input one's phone number in an online form.

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Downgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 where did Mego say that?

TùxCräftîñg

github.com/tuxcrafting/your-mom/commit/…

@El'endiaStarman ಠ_ಠ

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Downgoat context

TùxCräftîñg

my brain have melted ;_; userstyles.org/styles/130158/goatexchange

Downgoat

6:31 PM

@Mego Asking people to test your chatbot isn't an unreasonable request, he's not begging or demanding people test it for him. He can't test it himself anyway because it's running on his account. It's also not like he's going off-topic, I and many others have discussed chatbots and requested for help in here, and if one or two messages annoys you so much then feel free to ignore them rather than being impolite to zyabin :/

quartata

@El'endiaStarman The pi one is great

mbomb007

@El'endiaStarman Are there actual implementations of these?

If not, make it a golfing challenge.

It'd be cool to see a Dojo widget

And Dojo > JQuery, for the record.

TùxCräftîñg

Dojo should use more jQuery.

anyway Your Mom is now a fully functioning language \o/

Business Cat

Thank you

El'endia Starman

@quartata Yes, that is one of few that I'm certain is a joke. Most of the others, I'm not so sure. :P

Business Cat

6:36 PM

For the compliment of my mom

mbomb007

If Dojo and JQuery were characters from Star Wars, Dojo would be Darth Vader, and JQuery would be Han Solo.

Geobits

Not JarJar? :P

mbomb007

Darth Vader is powerful enough to rule an empire, Han Solo just fires away.

TùxCräftîñg

your mom ;_;

Downgoat

@TùxCräftîñg \o/ \o/ \o/

Beta Decay

6:39 PM

0

Q: External web page API access with Javascript

Can you use an XMLHttpRequest to access an API such as the police API or the World Bank API? If so, how does the site circumvent Same-Origin Policy?

Downgoat

can you allow like an -e flag so i can do node lib/yourmom.js -e "your mom haahaha so funee"

Beta Decay

cough cough

mbomb007

All in favor of changing "large intestine" and "small intestine" to "colon" and "semi-colon" web-wide, say AYE!

TùxCräftîñg

@Downgoat oh no argument parsing ;_;

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@mbomb007 BAI!

Lembik

6:42 PM

hi all

TùxCräftîñg

hi part of all

ninja'd :D

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

/o\

@mbomb007 I don't get what is large intestine and small intestine.

mbomb007

I've been feeling super left out lately, since I can't get Pokémon GO working on my phone. Stuck on the white Niantic screen.

Business Cat

It's not even available here yet

TùxCräftîñg

pkmn go dont work on phones

mbomb007

6:45 PM

@TùxCräftîñg Yeah, it does. Plenty of people have it on Android or iPhones

Lembik

still thinking of reposting my question to SO

hold me down :)

Downgoat

@BetaDecay ;_; i spent like 10 minutes writing an answer to this

TimmyD

@Poke So you're arguing that if I give Downgoat a password to access a system that I own, and Downgoat gives that password to you so you can access it, that's legitimate? (not to pick on Downgoat, just choosing a name)

Downgoat

welp, this was my answer anyways:

In this case it appears you're completely restricted to the client-side so you don't have very many options. In the case you do own the server, adding this one header will fix it (but avoid using wildcard for security reasons):

    Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *

CORS (cross-origin resource sharing) exists for security reasons preventing a malicious website from submitting a request to, for example your bank account page, and extracting sensitive data from there. [read more here](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-origin_policy)

TimmyD

Ugh, users who just PrtScn their entire (3-monitor-wide) desktop and submit that in saying "I got this error message" are frustrating ... I mean, yes, I'm glad you submitted a screenshot, props for that, but maybe try not submitting a 10MB BMP file next time.

TùxCräftîñg

6:55 PM

> You should consider making this an npm package too.

@Downgoat so i should publish it on npm ?

Downgoat

yeah

it'll be easy to install too

you just need to make a CLI

Poke

@TimmyD yes

TùxCräftîñg

@Downgoat make a CLI?

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman Lol .. "Is this your phone number? [Yes]/[No]"

TùxCräftîñg

anyway brb

Downgoat

6:57 PM

@TùxCräftîñg command-line interface. Take a look at commander. it'll simplify it

@TùxCräftîñg bai

mbomb007

An outsider's experience w/ Pokémon GO

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TimmyD

Also, that presumes that pi is normal, which hasn't been proven yet (as far as I'm aware).

Downgoat

cheddar> for (a in "asdf") { print a }
a
s
d
f

\o/ \o/ \o/ I got for in loops to work

TimmyD

@Poke Err, no, it's not. And the court ruling affirmed that. You were not authorized to access my system, Downgoat was.

Poke

If you authorize Downgoat and he willingly gives me access, that's not my problem

Alex A.

7:04 PM

@HelkaHomba I can neither confirm nor deny. Mostly because I don't know what you're talking about.

Poke

rather it shouldn't be

Downgoat

@TimmyD huh wat, i was authorized to access someone's system?

Poke

@TimmyD you're correct that the court case affirmed that. I don't agree that it was a good ruling

TimmyD

@Poke Yeah, it is. Existing case law (re: burglary, trespass, etc.) already aligns with the same ruling. This just extended it into the digital realm.

@Downgoat Just choosing your name as an example. I suppose I could have used Alice and Bob, but w/e. :D

Downgoat

oh ok. so i dont have access to anyone's system ;_; :P

Poke

7:07 PM

1) Can you please cite a source for that assertion? 2) Mapping laws to the digital realm isn't 1 to 1.

TimmyD

No. And if I have my way, you never will. Muahahahaha!

mbomb007

@TimmyD I hope your phone number is (314) 159-2653

Phrancis

@TùxCräftîñg hai

Beta Decay

Someone dial that number now

314-159-2653
Country: USA
Location: Missouri (Florissant, St. Louis)

Business Cat

I'd rather not get long distance charges

Alex A.

7:14 PM

I'd rather not bother a stranger unnecessarily.

Helka Homba

@AlexA. Seattle resident that doesn't know the story of D.B. Cooper? For shame.

Alex A.

@HelkaHomba ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I just read about it so I guess I do now.

Beta Decay

Gah, Calvin's been replaced by... a blue thing

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ should functionized operators allow whitespace between them? Like ( + ) or should it be in the form of (+)? The latter is faster, less prone to error and all.

TimmyD

@Poke Uh, yeah. That's kinda the definition of trespass. From the Law portion of the Free Dictionary -- entering another person's property without permission of the owner or his/her agent and without lawful authority (like that given to a health inspector) and causing any damage, no matter how slight

@HelkaHomba The Far Side called it years ago.

Poke

7:22 PM

@TimmyD "his/her agent" isn't strictly defined

nicael

Funny how this post was just a re-write of this answer, and somehow it got really more attention and upvotes... that's dishonest.

TimmyD

@Poke Out of all the words in that sentence, "agent" is probably the most defined in law.

El'endia Starman

@mbomb007 That was entertaining.

If I had a smartphone, I would almost certainly be playing.

Poke

n. a person who is authorized to act for another (the agent's principal) through employment, by contract or apparent authority

could absolutely refer to me in the example you proposed

TùxCräftîñg

i am back

Poke

7:24 PM

you authorized downgoat who authorized me

Who is in agent and what is his/her authority or often difficult and crucial factual issues.

my point exactly

TimmyD

No, I did not make Downgoat an agent by allowing him access. He can't enter a business deal, make legal decisions, etc., simply because he has a password. Otherwise, everyone and their dog would be agents of Gmail or Facebook, and that's absurd.

Poke

I don't have the admin password to gmail or facebook

I have the password to your facebook account

by unwritten contract

El'endia Starman

Alice could authorize Bob to do X and Y, but not authorize him to authorize Calvin to do the same. I'm not sure how much of the discussion here is due to this detail.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@BetaDecay Yeah, Calvin's Hobbies became Helka Homba.

Poke

In our discussion Alice has no concept of Calvin

Alice has authorized Bob who has authorized Calvin

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

7:29 PM

See the latter profile.

Poke

there's a clear audit trail

Alex A.

Hey @Gareth, welcome to Programming Puzzles & Legal Debate.

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Poke

In this scenario if Alice doesn't want Calvin to have access, it's Bob's fault for giving Calvin access or Alice's fault for not having a better method for determining who has access

I don't think Calvin is at fault

TimmyD

By that same logic, I could just start strolling through people's property because they didn't explicitly deny me access.

@AlexA. It's vaguely-ish on-topic. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/31009662#31009662

Alex A.

> vaguely-ish

haha

TimmyD

7:36 PM

Fair enough.

Poke

@TimmyD No one gave you permission in this example. In our previous example someone is giving access

Alex A.

@TimmyD I'm not saying you can't talk about it in here, I just figured I'd point out that it's dominating the discussion, which IMO is fine because no one else seems to be talking about anything more relevant at the moment.

TimmyD

@Poke OK, that's fair. Hmm.

Poke

If Calvin steals Alice's password from Bob then everything I have said is moot

TùxCräftîñg

let DATA;

if (commander.idkhowtocallit) {
    DATA = commander.args[0];
} else {
    fs.readFile(commander.args[0], "utf-8", (err, data) => {
        if (err) {
            console.log("y u do dis ;_; y u given me a unexistant file \u0CA0_\u0CA0");
            process.exit(1);
        }
        DATA = data;
    });
}

TimmyD

7:41 PM

I think El has it, though (can I abbreviate El'endia to that?). Just because Alice authorized Bob to access the system, doesn't automatically imply that Alice authorized Bob to authorize Calvin.

TùxCräftîñg

in the function DATA is treated as a local but idk how to assign it ;_;

TimmyD

Authorization generally isn't transitive like that.

Poke

I agree

which is why I think the fault is on Bob (or Alice)

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD (Sure.)

Poke

but I don't think that's federal offense-worthy either

TimmyD

7:45 PM

I'm struggling to understand why you think Alice would be at fault. That's victim blaming.

Optimizer

Alice was dumb enough to follow the rabbit.

its her fault.

Poke

Alice's authentication architecture should likely guard against what's happening

TimmyD

@Optimizer Thank-you, now I have White Rabbit stuck in my head. :-/

Poke

although i suppose Bob could just supply any additional information needed

Dennis

Sounds uncomfortable.

TimmyD

7:47 PM

White Rabbit (Jefferson Airplane song)

"White Rabbit" is a song written by Grace Slick, and recorded by the American psychedelic rock band Jefferson Airplane for their 1967 album, Surrealistic Pillow. It was released as a single and became the band's second top ten success, peaking at number eight on the Billboard Hot 100. The song was ranked number 478 on Rolling Stones list of the 500 Greatest Songs of All Time, Number 87 on Rate Your Music's Top Singles of All Time, and appears on The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's 500 Songs that Shaped Rock and Roll. == History == “White Rabbit” was written and performed by Grace Slick while she was...

Dennis

I stand by my response.

Poke

From a technology perspective internal information should only be accessible on an internal network

or via an authorized vpn maybe

Optimizer

are we trying to solve a million dollar lawsuit in TNB chat room?

Poke

I don't know about solve... but we're debating some of it

TùxCräftîñg

sorry for my question, but how to publish a npm package?

TimmyD