The Nineteenth Byte

Nathan Merrill

10:00 PM

@PhiNotPi total votes or total ballots?

PhiNotPi

@NathanMerrill number of ballots containing A, divided by the total number of ballots

Nathan Merrill

thanks :)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

thanks!

@DigitalTrauma *esolangs

@QPaysTaxes I didn't make it :P

Digital Trauma

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ is that even true for esolangs in general?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@DigitalTrauma BF, anything limited to a 1-bit cell

Digital Trauma

10:05 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ fair enough, but thats hardly all esolangs, is it?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@DigitalTrauma True, but why not use ^?

Digital Trauma

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ well thats certainly what I'd've chosen ;-)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@QPaysTaxes I will when I have time ^_^

Digital Trauma

but using + for OR throws us off a bit too ;-)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@DigitalTrauma \o/

Why are you using the Unicode symbols × and ÷ instead of ASCII * and /? — ASCIIThenANSI Oct 1 '15 at 19:47

Why I am making this comment :P

Digital Trauma

10:07 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I assume the intention is to make it harder to use some built-in evaluation

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@DigitalTrauma Maybe, but anything with a built-in eval would probably have a replace function.

Digital Trauma

though of course these are all pretty straightforward substutions

yes

Nathan Merrill

Alex A. and Doorknob	0.142578125	0.181500059142	-0.0389219341424
Alex A. and Elendia Starman	0.021484375	0.0195687878268	0.00191558717319
Alex A. and Dennis	0.1796875	0.194544919359	-0.0148574193592
Alex A. and PhiNotPi	0.03515625	0.044264386716	-0.00910813671595
Alex A. and Martin Buttner	0.216796875	0.224275158054	-0.0074782830543
Alex A. and Digital Trauma	0.037109375	0.0590182265349	-0.0219088515349
Alex A. and Mego	0.033203125	0.0267959196597	0.00640720534034
Doorknob and Elendia Starman	0.0234375	0.0396946955236	-0.0162571955236

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

wtf

^

Nathan Merrill

thank you

sorry

Digital Trauma

10:10 PM

and REMOVE THE TABS

;-)

PhiNotPi

What do the columns mean?

Nathan Merrill

bah, I can't delete

CoolestVeto

aaaaah

PhiNotPi

It looks a lot more accurate, now.

Nathan Merrill

actual, expected, diff

that's the same table, sorted by diff

PhiNotPi

10:13 PM

Can you do ordered by percent difference?

(Probably a slightly confusing term, since we are dealing with differences of percents)

Nathan Merrill

er, what's the divisor?

PhiNotPi

(observed - expected)/expected

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@CoolestVeto d'awww I'm dying. TELL YOUR GF I SAY HAI BTW

Nathan Merrill

Elendia	Dennis	0.01953125	0.0427174985061	-0.542781045636
Dennis	Mego	0.02734375	0.0582861309407	-0.530870387883
Doorkno	Mego	0.029296875	0.0541845408314	-0.459313033746
Elendia	Martin	0.02734375	0.0496811656852	-0.449615369872
Martin	Mego	0.0390625	0.067724458837	-0.423214291102
Doorkno	Elendia	0.0234375	0.0396946955236	-0.409555869094
Alex A.	Digital	0.037109375	0.0590182265349	-0.371221787254
Dennis	PhiNotP	0.064453125	0.0954791301024	-0.324950647007
Doorkno	PhiNotP	0.060546875	0.0888487203434	-0.318539706976

Digital Trauma

Ahh I feel better now

CoolestVeto

10:16 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ She says hoi. :D

Digital Trauma

Doorkno the candidate of kno

El'endia Starman

I like how my name is the perfect length. :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Nathan Merrill

Mego and Elendia are apparently on opposite spectrums

or are the on the same spectrum?

PhiNotPi

Same

Nathan Merrill

10:18 PM

I've been doing this too long, and I've forgotten what all this means

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@NathanMerrill Me, all the time.

PhiNotPi

The high number means that many more people voted them together, than if they were independent from each other.

Nathan Merrill

so, of the mods, Alex A and Doorknob are the furthest apart

actualy, Alex is negative to every other mod

while every other mods have a positive correlation

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@CoolestVeto :D .o/

 .o/
/ |
 / \

That's how I think, anyhow.

Alex A.

What did the snow plow operator say to the citizen who thanked him? "Snow problem"

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:27 PM

Then he cashed in a check at the Snow Bank

Rainbolt

This month is my birthday month, so I get to submit a recommendation for what we should eat for lunch (they cover catering for the entire company once a month). What do I tell my company that I want for lunch?

Alex A.

@Rainbolt Thai food

Always Thai food

Forever

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Rainbolt Us. That is, for lunch as in "over for lunch". We will follow you.

hi @quartata

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I've never gotten a review audit before

Dennis

Did someone mention free food?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:31 PM

I'm in!

@quartata Really? Wow.

Dennis

free food is best food

quartata

Do you get them a lot?

I've never seen them

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

once here, once on puzzling, and once on SO

quartata

(and I review quite a bit)

Dennis

I don't think I've ever gotten them on PPCG, but I got more than a few on SU.

Geobits

10:32 PM

@Rainbolt Go with something clearly vegan. Like over the top. That should go over well in Texas, right?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I have done ~10 reviews on PPCG, ~6 reviews on puzzling, and 0 on SO

Alex A.

@Geobits Raw, vegan, gluten-free

And be super obnoxious about it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. Without asbestos?

Dennis

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ And yet you got an audit on SO?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Dennis It was to be my one review :P

PhiNotPi

10:34 PM

@NathanMerrill Is there a set of three users, where the 3 pairs are all negative?

Geobits

I've had at least several audits on SO.

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I prefer most of my food without asbestos

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Dennis I might be misremembering tho

Asbestos is bad; definitely get the one on the right. Wait -- this one over here has no swine flu! Now I can't decide.

Alex A.

@Geobits I have a friend from Bulgaria who did her PhD in Waco, Texas. She said that if you recycle there, people think you're super weird.

Dennis

@AlexA. I'd rather starve.

PhiNotPi

10:35 PM

Actually, I found one: Alex, Martin, and me. The next question is, finding the set that is the most negative.

From those three points, we can construct a 2D political spectrum.

quartata

watch me get an audit immediately lmao

Alex A.

@PhiNotPi Why are we negative? :( I love you and Martin

CoolestVeto

@quartata What is this audit of which you speak?

Geobits

@AlexA. It's half-weird here. People do it on a whim, but not regularly (for the most part).

PhiNotPi

@AlexA. We're looking at the number of voters that voted for each pair of candidates, and comparing the true to expected values.

Alex A.

10:36 PM

@Dennis Raw, vegan, gluten-free is just raw fruit and vegetables. It sounds a lot more obnoxious than it is in practice. (Though it's probably not sustainable as a long-term diet)

quartata

@CoolestVeto Fake posts in the review queue designed to see if you're paying attention

PhiNotPi

X% of voters voted for me, Y% voted for you, but fewer than expected voted for both of us.

Alex A.

@PhiNotPi How do you derive the expected values?

CoolestVeto

@quartata o.o Why?

quartata

@CoolestVeto To see if you're paying attention?

Dennis

10:37 PM

Robo reviewers.

PhiNotPi

40 mins ago, by PhiNotPi

p(A && B) ~= p(A) * p(B) * 0.6553422866 * 1.516517793 ^ (1 - (1-p(A))*(1-p(B)))

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I almost approved it because it was Community

CoolestVeto

@quartata Yeah, but I was asking why they would need to know that. :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

But the Indian-style links were hyper-suspicious

hyper-suspicious. bad-um tss

Alex A.

@Geobits People get downright pissy here if you don't recycle. I think in the city of Seattle you can get in trouble if you overuse trash. ._.

PhiNotPi

10:38 PM

Found by curve-fitting to some exact calculations.

quartata

235

Q: What are review tests (audits) and how do they work?

I recently received this rather amusing message while reviewing a user's first post: Congratulations! This was only a test, designed to make sure you were paying attention. This post has already been removed, but thanks for taking time to leave feedback for the author. What is t...

read the accepted answer

Alex A.

@PhiNotPi Looks like a super mysterious voodoo use of Baye's theorem. :P

PhiNotPi

@AlexA. Basically

The results seem pretty accurate, though.

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I think usually that means it was an edit from an unregistered account. I think more often than not those are no bueno.

@PhiNotPi Nice!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. Oh! TIL

CoolestVeto

10:40 PM

@quartata Fancy.

Alex A.

alex-could-be-wrong-on-that-but-he-is-fairly-sure

10

PhiNotPi

@AlexA. This is the chart of correlations in question: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/28815002#28815002

quartata

@AlexA. Can confirm

PhiNotPi

The numbers are actual number of ballots containing both candidates, expected ballots, and difference.

Negative differences indicate a negative correlation.

Alex A.

@QPaysTaxes Uh no thanks

status-declined

Luis Mendo

10:42 PM

@Dennis Please pull MATL when you can

CoolestVeto

@QPaysTaxes It was... once.

Luis Mendo

@AlexA. :-)

Dennis

@LuisMendo FPITW

Alex A.

@LuisMendo Hi! :) Why are we smiling?

CoolestVeto

:)

Luis Mendo

10:44 PM

@Dennis meaning...?

quartata

Fastest pull in the west

Alex A.

Fastest pull in the west

Chris Jester-Young

Jinx!

Luis Mendo

@AlexA. Your Spanish could be better :-P

Alex A.

Crap

@LuisMendo D:

I thought I was muy fluento

Luis Mendo

10:44 PM

@AlexA. Hahaha. This is only getting better

Alex A.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I never learned Spanish

Luis Mendo

Congrats, BTW, @AlexA., @Dennis, @MartinBüttner, @Doorknob for being elected mods!

quartata

@AlexA. More like muy incorrecto

Alex A.

@LuisMendo Thanks! :D

@quartata fite me irl bruv

@QPaysTaxes lel

Dennis

@LuisMendo Thanks! :)

CoolestVeto

10:46 PM

¯\_(ツ)¯\_ _/¯(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)¯\_ ¯\_(ツ)¯\_
_/¯(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)¯\_ _/¯(ツ)_/¯ _/¯(ツ)_/¯

Luis Mendo

It was pretty clear you four would win. The election was prety much unnecessary :-D

Alex A.

I don't know, Digital Trauma came awfully close to beating me!

Luis Mendo

Nah

quartata

@AlexA. I have to apologize by the way; I actually voted for Dennis as my third choice because I was worried he wasn't going to get enough votes

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@CoolestVeto It's a very pretty pattern

quartata

10:47 PM

You were my first third choice but I changed it

CoolestVeto

@QPaysTaxes No, Thriller.

Just filled out.

@QPaysTaxes :o pools reflect horizontally now?

Alex A.

@quartata Haha he got more votes than Doorknob in the primary

quartata

He did?

I kinda didn't pay attention to the primary after I dropped out

Dennis

He did.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. I was worried Doorknob wasn't going to get enough votes sort of.

I voted for El'endia because he had non-protem experience on a healthy, longer-alive-than-us site

Alex A.

10:51 PM

@quartata Descending votes were Martin, Dennis, Doorknob, then me. I was 100 votes behind Doorknob. ;-;

Of course he is. I voted for him, after all. ;)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

yesterday, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

And honestly, PPCG wouldn't be PPCG without Alex.

Alex A.

<3

Well, I can still be here and not be a mod

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^_^

But mod abuse 11

Alex A.

haha

quartata

@AlexA. Really??

Alex A.

10:52 PM

Really. You can still see the results.

quartata

Damn, I thought you had waaay more support than that.

Alex A.

Hah. Me too. ;-;

quartata

I was always under the impression that you were easily the most popular mod here

Still think that to be honest

Alex A.

Maybe in chat, but I imagine most of the 500 voters don't frequent TNB

quartata

Well I wouldn't let it rustle your jimmies

Alex A.

10:53 PM

My jimmies remain unrustled

2

I wonder if jimmy23013 is rustled

Geobits

@AlexA. It was pretty strict in Japan when I was there. Definitely took some getting used to, coming from Arkansas before that.

quartata

I'm always super self conscious about accidentally trashing something that should be recycled in public here

Alex A.

Same

quartata

@Geobits What's the recycling culture like in Florida?

Alex A.

Humid

Geobits

10:57 PM

Do it if you want, but most don't care.

Alex A.

I understood the question, I just chose to answer it with a non sequitur.

Dennis

@AlexA. We don't have recycling here.

Alex A.

@Dennis whoa

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Dennis Where do you live, again?

Dennis

#firstworldtrashmanagement

Alex A.

11:01 PM

#UNDISCLOSEDLOCATIONproblems

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

(not to be stalkish)

Dennis

Where Alex said.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh, I live in UNDISCLOSEDLOCATION too!

Dennis

♫ I have eleven problems, but mod abuse ain't one. ♫

11

PhiNotPi

I'm disappointed that I can't seem to find a good algorithm to construct a political spectrum.

Luis Mendo

11:04 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Why, in Kansas

Dennis the Menace (U.S. comics)

Dennis the Menace is a daily syndicated newspaper comic strip originally created, written, and illustrated by Hank Ketcham. It debuted on March 12, 1951, in 16 newspapers and was originally distributed by Post-Hall Syndicate. It is now written and drawn by Ketcham's former assistants, Marcus Hamilton and Ron Ferdinand, and distributed to at least 1,000 newspapers in 48 countries and in 19 languages by King Features Syndicate. The comic strip usually runs for a single panel on weekdays and a full strip on Sundays. The comic strip became so successful that it was adapted to other popular medi...

Chris Jester-Young

@PhiNotPi Are you making a FiveThirtyEight clone? :-P

PhiNotPi

@ChrisJester-Young I'm trying to plot the candidates and voters in our election on a spectrum.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@LuisMendo Well plaid.

> plaid

bad-um tss

Luis Mendo

:-D

Alex A.

@LuisMendo You're in Spain, right?

quartata

11:07 PM

@Dennis lmao you didn't even purge the edit history

Alex A.

I edited it

quartata

Oh

CoolestVeto

@Dennis Someone should add mod abuse eleven to the meme list.

quartata

I don't think Dennis minds terribly, although he might not want us to steal any guavas from his backyard

Alex A.

I don't think he minds given that he's mentioned it multiple times in here

Dennis

11:09 PM

You can have those, but keep your fingers from my mangos.

Alex A.

Sometimes I abuse my moderator abilities for the sake of humor. >_>

@Dennis >:U

CoolestVeto

@Dennis ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Dennis

Mangos are objectively the best fruit ever. They're delicious, filling, and come with free dental floss.

quartata

@Dennis You have infinitely more fruit trees than me

You also have infinitely more backyards than me

Alex A.

guacamole

►

^ crucially important and surprisingly relevant

quartata

11:12 PM

At least I have a popcorn maker

Alex A.

@Dennis Have you ever had a champagne mango?

quartata

@AlexA. the new rickroll

FWIW I'd probably do a lot of things for guacamole

Dennis

@AlexA. Is that a specific kind or just regular mango + booze?

quartata

@Dennis Former

Dennis

Then no.

Luis Mendo

11:13 PM

@AlexA. Yup. Madrid, Spain

Alex A.

@quartata I really wanted this to become the next rickroll but I don't think it'll happen

@LuisMendo Do you ever hang out with Peter Taylor or Steve Verrill?

(the latter aka Level River St)

quartata

Peter lives in Spain?

Alex A.

Yes

quartata

TIL

Luis Mendo

@AlexA. No... I saw they live in Spain, from their profile. But I don't know them personally. Nor have we talked much in the chat

Alex A.

11:16 PM

I figured, I was mostly kidding :P

Luis Mendo

Peter works (or worked) in Telefónica, the mobile operator

aditsu

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ bash.org/?22253

Luis Mendo

@AlexA. Well, who knows, maybe I did and I don't know it. Who says those names they use here are real...

Alex A.

:O

Luis Mendo

>:V

Nathan Merrill

11:23 PM

back

Luis Mendo

espalda

mınxomaτ

That's a bit embarrassing

Disclaimer: I have no opinion about the US election, someone just linked me this video

CoolestVeto

@QPaysTaxes bash.org/?23396

@QPaysTaxes RETORT

@QPaysTaxes NOTATION THAT YOU CREATE A VACUUM

@QPaysTaxes ASSERTION OF HELVETICA SUPERIORITY

Nathan Merrill

@PhiNotPi do you have access to mathematica?

mınxomaτ

@QPaysTaxes 𝙼𝙾𝙽𝙾𝚂𝙿𝙰𝙲𝙴 is fun.

PhiNotPi

11:35 PM

@NathanMerrill Not currently.

Downgoat

@mınxomaτ oh god, why the unicode??

Nathan Merrill

:(

this function may do what we want:

reference.wolfram.com/language/ref/CommunityGraphPlot.html

mınxomaτ

@Downgoat Fun fact: When you go to 𝙼𝙾𝙽𝙾𝚂𝙿𝙰𝙲𝙴.com, you'll still get to monospace.com :-)

PhiNotPi

@NathanMerrill I have a version on another computer, but it might not be up-to-date (I think it's v7 or so, not v9)

Downgoat

@mınxomaτ whaaaaaaat.

... the only text on monospace.com isn't even monospace

mınxomaτ

11:39 PM

@Downgoat It's just unicode modifiers.

Downgoat

My feelings about unicode

quartata

@Doorknob xscast is the greatest thing ever

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

In which phase should a malformed number be errored? Parsing or interpreting?

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ what do you mean by "malformed number"?

Alex A.

123adsfkjasdf567

^ like that

Downgoat

11:47 PM

that should through a snytax error (but what if it's a base 36 number or something)

mınxomaτ

@AlexA. That's a weird base number.

Alex A.

It's best base number

Dennis

@AlexA. That's clearly 233916748183505161635055.

Alex A.

Clearly >_>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat I meant something like 5..1

Downgoat

11:48 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ that should throw a syntax error.

mınxomaτ

@Dennis Elementary my dear watson.

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ are you making an esolang?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

When are those thrown? Parsing or interpeting?

@Downgoat Yes, I am ^_^

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ parsing

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

sort of

@Downgoat Thanks!

Alex A.

11:48 PM

@mınxomaτ ElementaryOS?

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ cool!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat It's going to be a lot like J

Downgoat

ah, okay

mınxomaτ

@AlexA. phrases.org.uk/meanings/elementary-my-dear-watson.html

Alex A.

What, of course I know that phrase

Everyone knows that phrase

Sherlock9 Holmes

mınxomaτ

11:49 PM

Yeah, the interesting thing is that it never occurs in the original

Re eOS: Since I managed to rebuild the AMD driver, I switched back to eOS as it's now actually usable.

Alex A.

Woo!

Also you mentioned that Safari's obnoxious refusal to display certain sites is a feature not a bug. I figured as much, but it's still obnoxious when I want to go to that site. :P

mınxomaτ

@AlexA. Well, it's a security feature. Really every browser should have it.

It's the lazy webmasters that are broken.

Downgoat

@QPaysTaxes who doesn't?

mınxomaτ

Me.

Downgoat

wait really?

mınxomaτ

11:54 PM

Yeah. It's relaxing.

Downgoat

...

mınxomaτ

Though I prefer a complete rewrite to refactoring most of the time.

Downgoat

last time I checked banging your head on the table is not relaxing

@mınxomaτ but.. bugs?

I ~~literally~~ just add a comment and my code breaks

mınxomaτ

@Downgoat Uhm, that's why I said rewrite. Sometimes you need a clean cut.

Downgoat

but then you have to fix all the bugs again ._.

Luis Mendo

11:56 PM

@Dennis I get that too \o/ I finally implemented long division for base conversion. It was not as hard as a expected

Mar 22 at 16:45, by Dennis

@DonMuesli You'd have to implement long division (digit array by a base).

mınxomaτ

Whatever floats your goat.

Downgoat

@mınxomaτ 10/10 great phrease

mınxomaτ

@QPaysTaxes So what? I repeat:

55 secs ago, by mınxomaτ

Whatever floats your goat.

Downgoat

@QPaysTaxes He is SO's CEO right?

Luis Mendo

Actually he created SO, with Jeff Atwood

Downgoat

11:58 PM

Jeff Atwood left SE

mınxomaτ

@QPaysTaxes He's talking about Netscape, a huge piece of software. Certainly not comparable to what we're talking about here.

Cyoce

6

A: Fibonacci function or sequence

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Jelly makes me cry.

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