The DMZ

kalina

6:00 PM

and "is ... secure?"

SmokeDispenser

@RоryMcCune I could fully understand if that is the consesus. Maybe a meta is due;)

Rоry McCune

@kalina <shudder>

Mark Buffalo

I just creeped on the phisher

it's an older lady who got hacked, and someone is using her email. so I just contacted her by phone and let her know

kalina

that's quite creepy

David Freitag

Do the creep ahhh

silverpenguin

6:01 PM

@MarkBuffalo you tracked down a little old lady? and then phoned her? I hope you answered with a slow heavy breath

kalina

<woman> Hello?

<digital voice> Hello this is Mark Buffalo from the National Security Agency

<digital voice> Your email has been hacked

click

Mark Buffalo

lmfao

Rоry McCune

@SmokeDispenser well my general instinct it to be helpful, but somehow I'd got it into my head that we weren't meant to answer stuff that was going to get closed/migrated.. In this I appear in correct so looks like we can carry on being helpful...

silverpenguin

Mark Buffalo

@kalina Well, it's better to let them know before the damage is done

kalina

6:02 PM

@RоryMcCune you're not meant to answer stuff that's off topic and is going to be closed

it encourages answers

as it was migrated that's not an issue

Rоry McCune

@kalina so as long as it's on-topic somewhere, that's ok?

Simon

@kalina I'd tell them that I received a weird email, would ask if I could forward it to them and it'd be just a picture of my ween.

Mark Buffalo

@silverpenguin Yeah... wasn't hard. They were using her work email address. So I just googled her workplace, and informed them

kalina

if antivirus software recommendations are off topic and you answer every one that comes in it won't matter they're going to be closed because people will keep asking them due to them always getting answered

if you see a question and your thought is OH MY GOSH MY EYES

then don't answer it

SmokeDispenser

@RоryMcCune If it wasn't a good question, I'd be totally on your side

Rоry McCune

6:03 PM

@kalina ah well that's ok though 'cause these are on-topic in software recs :)

Xander

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Q: Should I answer off-topic questions?

Should I post an answer to an off-topic question after flagging it? I seem to find off-topic questions that I can give a good, useful and correct answer to. (The specific question tonight is this one, but it's happened several times this month now). Other users have clearly deemed the question ...

SmokeDispenser

but it was clear to me it'd be migrated

Mark Buffalo

@silverpenguin [inhales deeply, and slowly] The foil is strooooooooong with you.

silverpenguin

@MarkBuffalo man it makes me panic

Mark Buffalo

k sleep

:/

kalina

6:04 PM

@MarkBuffalo BYE

Xander

@kalina But that's a perfect chance to answer "Use the one that costs the most. That clearly makes it the best."

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo Sleep?! It's 2pm!

SmokeDispenser

@silverpenguin, good one with the time left btw.

MickLH

here, I've found exactly the "tipping point" where Cat guy was proven completely wrong and so he jumped to stringing together buzzwords that could never prove his point. (which was to Rory McCune's dismay, as he had already jumped to an invalid conclusion about me, but that's a whole other point)

Mar 10 at 21:02, by Herringbone Cat

@MickLH MickLH Yes but you are narrowing the scope of your thought about audio quality to losing frequency spectrum/response. The conversion between FLAC and WAV may cause jitter in a high quality system. If you want to address this, you can assign CPU core affinity to those processes vs. the player processes and separate IO.

kalina

@Xander that's not acceptable security advice

@MickLH ARE YOU SERIOUS WHY ARE YOU STILL ON THIS?

diagprov

6:05 PM

@Xander no no no it needs a big green padlock! The bigger the better.

Mark Buffalo

@DavidFreitag took the wrong allergy med today. fell asleep etc

David Freitag

@MickLH Oh, we're still talking about this?

kalina

The only person who still cares about this is you

silverpenguin

@SmokeDispenser why is everyone replying to shit i said ages ago D:

David Freitag

@MarkBuffalo derp

Mark Buffalo

6:05 PM

@MickLH why on earth...

MickLH

@kalina Because I'm so ridiculously right about literally every single detail, how could I not?

kalina

19 secs ago, by kalina

The only person who still cares about this is you

SmokeDispenser

@silverpenguin old.

MickLH

If things can't be correct, I don't want to participate

Rory Alsop

@MickLH this is the problem. Why not just drop it. No-one else cares.

David Freitag

6:06 PM

@MickLH Then leave.

kalina

@MickLH boohoo somebody is wrong on the internet

Rory Alsop

@MickLH then stop participating please

MickLH

boohoo I pointed it out?

kalina

the problem is that while it didn't start out as you it definitely is now.

and yes you were technically correct but in terms of morals you're wrong.

Xander

@kalina Oh right, I forgot that I should add "And it should come with its own extra secure version of Chromium, because that's better than regular Chrome and TavisO even security tests them!"

David Freitag

6:06 PM

Can someone kick this person please?

@MickLH hey

@DavidFreitag no

yes

@Xander thanks.

sigh

@Xander ...

Rory Alsop

6:07 PM

I see no reason why the entire argument should be hashed out again. Mick - if you want to discuss it, make your own chat room, and anyone interested can visit

MickLH

@DavidFreitag Stop instigating

Rory Alsop

@MickLH seriously - stop

kalina

@RoryAlsop chat room to discuss how right I was, population: @MickLH

MickLH

I've dropped the topic completely

I dropped it several messages before everyone got weird

Rory Alsop

@MickLH and now drop the meta discussion

MickLH

6:09 PM

What about what? What are you talking about

kalina

@MickLH I know, I did tell him not to kick since now you're just going to whine about being kicked

Rоry McCune

@kalina I'm guessing that was the intent ...

@MickLH hi

@silverpenguin Hello

@MickLH how are you?

6:09 PM

@silverpenguin Pretty great, hbu?

kalina

what

David Freitag

wut

silverpenguin

@MickLH not bad just Playing some LoL ... bored as hell though

kalina

hell is probably not boring

Rоry McCune

「さあ、取り乱せ。」【VR ZONE Project i Can】ティザームービー(short)

►

SEJPM

6:10 PM

@Xander also see pthree.org/2016/03/31/…

Rоry McCune

^well that's a terrifying use of VR

silverpenguin

@kalina unless boring is worse than pain :P ... god i hope hell is kinky cause i know thats where il end up

MickLH

@silverpenguin I miss real CS, I watched the GO tourney and it made me so sad

kalina

@RоryMcCune er... ya

silverpenguin

@MickLH never watched it, why did it make u sad

SEJPM

6:11 PM

@RоryMcCune some people seem to like it...

kalina

but ultimately I have seen nothing from VR that will amount to much more than the Wii experience in the long run

MickLH

@RоryMcCune I got to play this game several years ago

SmokeDispenser

@RоryMcCune I'd may try that.

Rоry McCune

@SEJPM being scared or VR? The being scared thing I can't understand, the VR think I like the idea of

Iszi

@kalina Kinda amusing, considering the same company made Wii and VirtualBoy.

SEJPM

6:12 PM

@RоryMcCune both, people also like horror movies AFAICT

Rоry McCune

@SEJPM ah well I have a vive on pre-order, so I'm hoping VR will be good

kalina

@RоryMcCune increasing the available emotions that can be invoked by the medium

proper fear rather than jump scares

MickLH

I was the only person at the conference who wasn't paralyzed with fear in the VR

kalina

although I imagine there will be a lot of the latter too

Rоry McCune

@kalina yeah I think VR horror games (which I will be avoiding completely) would be horrifying

kalina

6:13 PM

oh yeah

actually horrifying as well rather than anything you'd get from watching a movie

Rоry McCune

@kalina and when they start doing extra stuff like this (so having real-world objects, as part of the VR world) that's even worse

SEJPM

:O apparently car-stealing ransomware is a thing now (it wants ransom so you can unlock your key-less car with your phone)

kalina

@RоryMcCune sure but that demo isn't scalable

Rоry McCune

@kalina no but it's fom a story about a VR arcade going into Tokyo vrscout.com/news/bandai-namco-vr-arcade-tokyo so they're presumably planning more stuff like that

kalina

"i'm going to save a cat in a game"

Xander

6:14 PM

@SEJPM Interesting.

kalina

spends 30 minutes setting up the environment

spends 2 minutes playing

spends 30 minutes putting away the environment

MickLH

The real fun part is standing at the edge of the plank leaning as far forward as you can

Rоry McCune

@kalina ah but if it's in an arcade, they keep env established and multiple people walk-in/out

kalina

@RоryMcCune who wants to go play games in an arcade

(yes I had to respell arqade)

(assholes)

broken my vocabulary

Rоry McCune

@kalina well not me but I could see that kind of stuff having appeal while the early VR kits are very pricey

David Freitag

6:16 PM

I think that was self-inflicted

kalina

@DavidFreitag it wasn't my fault, I had a Diablo 3 question and it was top on google

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune The cave environments we built for clients like Shell and the Glasgow School of Art had 4-phase visuals and haptic gloves, so two people could be in the environment at the same time. Full sphere graphics - all round, and up and down, with the headsets very accurately positioned in space

kalina

thus it's 100% the fault of whoever did the seo

Rory Alsop

Utterly disorienting

and terrifying

We didn't have a demo like this, and the Quake demo we did have was really set up for very wide screen, not full surround

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah I'm sooo not going to do that kind of stuff, I'll stick to nice VR experiences like Elite and Mount everest

kalina

6:18 PM

Would I replace my exercise with VRXercise?

probably

Rоry McCune

@kalina could make that kind of stuff more interesting...

kalina

because then I could run through Tamriel or Azeroth or New Vegas

instead of down country lanes

oh no what have I done

I don't want a VR setup

Xander

@RoryAlsop That sounds fascinating. Thinking about how you can get dizzy in an IMAX theater, I wonder what would happen in that environment if they suddenly flung you spinning and falling through space?

kalina

@Xander I imagine after a while that if the game environment suddenly moved in a way you weren't expecting you'd probably fall over

Rory Alsop

@Xander the demos were to help us sell things like oil well data visualisations and so on, so I don't think they'd have wanted to do that :-/

kalina

6:20 PM

obviously it would depend on how immersed you are

Xander

@RoryAlsop Probably not. But would be an interesting experiment.

MickLH

@kalina You could just leave the VR on always and live in a home with the fanciest everything and 20-foot tall roofs, take your morning walk through a beautiful landscape full of nature etc

diagprov

@kalina they have this for cyclists (sort of, without the headset, already). If you have money to spend you can get a trainer with a video feed hooked up and "climb" a mountain.

Xander

@kalina You're probably right. But what would happen after that? Would you be able to stand up? Would it make you ill?

kalina

@Xander I would expect dizziness on a scale proportionate to how immersed you are

@diagprov yes my gym has these

MickLH

6:22 PM

You catch your actual balance within a split second

kalina

ultimately once the illusion is broken you'll just be looking at two close screens

MickLH

The moment your VR perception diverges from your real world perception, the illusion fade with a rate proportional to how much stress it causes you

kalina

just to prevent a repeat of the flac/wav argument, you and I are basically saying the same thing

;)

MickLH

I am agreeing with you, I'm just sharing what I found when I tried it

kalina

I know you're agreeing with me, I just wanted to make sure you knew I knew you knew were agreeing with me

and that you agreed that you knew I knew you knew I knew you knew you were agreeing with me

MickLH

6:25 PM

I'm cursed with human bandwidth mismatches... People sample my mood at a normal reasonable frequency and so most of the actual information I generate is lost to aliasing artifacts

David Freitag

Speaking of buzzwords

kalina

nope, that isn't happening here

I just didn't want you to start frothing at the mouth over nothing

you're not about to start doing that, are you?

ArtOfCode

froths at the mouth

MickLH

The fact that I never do that is proof that it is happening here :P

kalina

I mean you remember that we agree with each other

and that you agree that we agree with each other

and that you agree that you agree that you agree we agree with each other

so there is no disagreement in the fact that you agree that we agree with each other

diagprov

6:26 PM

@kalina aaahhh but do they give you routes in the tour de france? You can buy all sorts for your home training kit these days :) I don't though, no space, I have to go outside.

kalina

also that I said it first

and you copied me

MickLH

I will give you that

but not that!

kalina

which we also agree

SEJPM

FYI: How Petya works: blog.gdatasoftware.com/2016/03/…

kalina

and you also agree that we agree

and that everybody has seen that you agree that we agree

MickLH

6:27 PM

You're gonna have to write a shorthand notation for n levels of agreement at this rate

SEJPM

@MickLH A1 - An ?

kalina

so you agree with everything I say?

and everybody just saw that you agree with everything I say

both right now, in the past, and forever

MickLH

@kalina Everything except for what I don't agree with

kalina

which everybody saw you agree to

MickLH

So basically everything

But not technically everything

kalina

6:28 PM

and you agree that even the stuff you don't agree to you still agree to on account of the fact we agree

Iszi

Someone 'splain to me WTF is going on? Or, maybe don't if it will end up in someone kicked again.

kalina

under article 7 dash A you agree to surrender all rights

and as you've already agreed that we agree that you agree that we agree

MickLH

It's getting a little bit cumbersome to manage the terms and conditions of this contract

Can I get a printed copy?

kalina

you agree that you don't need a printed copy and that you agree with the terms of the agreement on account that you agree that we agree

agreed.

MickLH

Sure, but it's controversial because I only agree if you're always right

Iszi

6:29 PM

@kalina Are you (ab)using The Force on @MickLH?

kalina

here is your dunce hat, you have been assigned to that corner over there

points

@Iszi well basically he just agreed that he was in the wrong over the previous argument

MickLH

@kalina Usually people consider it weird to talk about themself in the 3rd person

kalina

and as a result has forfeit his free will

Iszi

@kalina So... y'all are signing some sort of M/s contract in the middle of the DMZ?

diagprov

@Iszi @kalina and @MickLH are negotiating an agreement to agree except where they disagree, in which case they agree to disagree that they agree about things they do not agree about. Alles klar?

David Freitag

6:31 PM

@Iszi M/s?

SmokeDispenser

@SEJPM, RFC yet?

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag marks and spencers

Iszi

@DavidFreitag Master/slave.

Rоry McCune

@DavidFreitag it's a retail think from the UK

David Freitag

@Iszi o

Rоry McCune

6:32 PM

@Iszi I liked my version better :)

kalina

I always wanted a servant

@RоryMcCune it is?;)

pats @MickLH

@kalina grats;)

@SmokeDispenser marks and spencer, totally

@SmokeDispenser established in 1884

Iszi

6:33 PM

@kalina No, that would make it O/p.

SmokeDispenser

@RоryMcCune Ah, I thought M/s as in BDSM.

MickLH

@kalina I forgot what I'm supposed to do when you do this signal

David Freitag

@Iszi eh?

kalina

@MickLH sit and be quiet, mistress didn't give you permission to speak

Iszi

@DavidFreitag Owner/pet.

Rory Alsop

6:33 PM

@Iszi I don't know that one

David Freitag

1 min ago, by Iszi

@DavidFreitag Master/slave.

Rоry McCune

@SmokeDispenser I think that was the intention, I was deliberately mis-contruing for comedic effect

Rory Alsop

@Iszi (oh, maybe I did)

SEJPM

@SmokeDispenser I didn't see them (yet)

Iszi

@SmokeDispenser That's precisely how it was intended.

SmokeDispenser

6:34 PM

I totally overread the M and S post.

kalina

@Iszi semantics really

Iszi

@kalina Eh. Feel free to call it what you want. YKINMK.

kalina

@Iszi just basically admitted to being properly into BDSM in the DMZ

Rory Alsop

@kalina we all knew that ages ago

Iszi

(For the Google-impaired: That's "Your Kink Is Not My Kink".)

Rory Alsop

6:36 PM

old news

kalina

oh

Rоry McCune

@kalina he would be like the 3rd person to do so this week

kalina

well you could have told me

Rory Alsop

lol

kalina

@RоryMcCune who were the other two?

Iszi

6:37 PM

@kalina We covered this awhile ago. I personally don't identify as "into" it. But I am fairly BDSM-aware.

Rоry McCune

@kalina well you obviously and (unless I'm mistaken) @SmokeDispenser

kalina

@Iszi is that BDSM-aware like "meh I act like it's something I know but really I have a dungeon"

Rоry McCune

I could of course be totally incorrect there

kalina

@RоryMcCune pls I know nothing

MickLH

stands up, grumble-sighs, lays back down

kalina

6:38 PM

you're mistaking the impact a woman has on a single man with BDSM

oh wait, they are kinda similar

this is going to require some thought

SmokeDispenser

@RоryMcCune I can only speak for myself and my slave.

kalina

does this reveal some secret underlying desire

Rоry McCune

@SmokeDispenser see that's the kind of phrasing that leads to these conclusions

kalina

@MickLH pats @MickLH

who's a good boy

Iszi

@kalina Nah. More like "was curious, went to a 101 class, hung out on some forums, really never got motivated to really do anything".

SmokeDispenser

6:39 PM

@RоryMcCune I'm not calling the conclusions to be false.

Rоry McCune

heck though this is the Internet, for all I know this is toasters propositioning Nuclear Power stations

2

kalina

@Iszi you went to BDSM school?

Iszi

@SmokeDispenser Okay, my sarcasm detector just threw an error.

Rory Alsop

@kalina there's a BDSM school?

kalina

@RoryAlsop apparently there is

SmokeDispenser

6:40 PM

@Iszi nice.

Iszi

@kalina No. Local dungeons sometimes hold educational sessions, and some may call them "BDSM 101".

Shog9

@RоryMcCune ah, thanks

silverpenguin

@kalina e_e

SmokeDispenser

... was that the ping or the bdsm calling our dark-capped visitor into action?;)

Rory Alsop

@SmokeDispenser pffft

kalina

6:45 PM

hopefully neither

if we're quiet hopefully it will go away

SEJPM

Wanna play VNC roulette? 5.230.225.107/index.php?picture=0

SmokeDispenser

@kalina, I'm hoping for that since the entry yesterday. Kinda feels like being watched.

kalina

@SmokeDispenser this is a google indexed chat room

you're always being watched

SmokeDispenser

@SEJPM oh, did that for an hour about 6 hours ago

Iszi

@SEJPM WTH? Not clicking.

SmokeDispenser

6:47 PM

@kalina indexing is no shog.

kalina

gosh you can't provoke him by name

SmokeDispenser

@Iszi screenshots of open VNC hosts

kalina

what are you doing

SEJPM

@Iszi it shows you pictures of random open VNC hosts

Rory Alsop

@kalina gosh is almost shog backwards...

kalina

6:48 PM

@RoryAlsop OH

O_O

Iszi

@SEJPM Ok, still not clicking. Far as I know, some idiot has port forwarding turned on and is currently watching kiddie porn.

Seriously, guys... going around looking for "random" stuff on the Internet is literally asking for that kind of trouble.

kalina

I'm shocked that you're having this conversation with us like this isn't a channel full of security professionals

Iszi

@kalina ...such as yourself?

kalina

I'm not a security professional but I'm also not an somebody that clicks links posted by randoms

SmokeDispenser

:D

Xander

6:50 PM

@Iszi I challenge you to find a legal precedent that demonstrates that.

SEJPM

@Xander ask on Law.SE on how to handle it?

MickLH

lol

Iszi

@Xander Legal or not, do you want to stumble across some guy's VNC snapshot while he's watching that stuff?

MickLH

lays down and looks at @kalina with guilty eyes

kalina

@MickLH DID I SAY YOU COULD NOISE?

fine you may noise

MickLH

6:52 PM

Oh my god finally, ok let me get started about how wrong you all are

SmokeDispenser

@kalina I like how you stick to the role. It fits you, too.

kalina

oh really

Rory Alsop

like a natural...

kalina

if we're going to have a discussion about wrong then perhaps you should sit down and stop making noise again.

my feet are cold

sit.

MickLH

curls up on @kalina's toes

silverpenguin

6:53 PM

@MickLH a hot turd would warm up her feet

MickLH

I was trained not to do that inside

Iszi

@silverpenguin RED!

kalina

such disrespect would result in severe punishment

silverpenguin

@Iszi RED?

SEJPM

@silverpenguin I think that's his safe word?

Xander

6:55 PM

@Iszi Of course not, but the likelihood of that happening is virtually non-existent. There are tons of people and tools that are constantly scraping open VNC connections, (including Shodan) and you can bet that at least one of them is the FBI looking for exactly that sort of thing.

Iszi

@silverpenguin Universal safe word: You've gone too far. Stop the play. You triggered a "hard limit". Etc.

silverpenguin

@Iszi naaaahhhh im sure its fine

Iszi

@silverpenguin Well, if @kalina is into scat, and that's allowed in this dungeon, okay. It's just not something I'm gonna watch. :-P

kalina

@Iszi ew

silverpenguin

@Iszi I was actually callin @MickLH a turd not saying we should do it e_e

kalina

6:57 PM