The DMZ

@MickLH MickLH Yes but you are narrowing the scope of your thought about audio quality to losing frequency spectrum/response. The conversion between FLAC and WAV may cause jitter in a high quality system. If you want to address this, you can assign CPU core affinity to those processes vs. the player processes and separate IO.

Gilles

@MickLH Hey, keep nice

Herringbone Cat

Please respond to that comment.

MickLH

@HerringboneCat This is simply wrong.

There?

Herringbone Cat

@MickLH ..... why?

MickLH

Lossless FLAC can be converted back to the original WAV source

Herringbone Cat

9:03 PM

@MickLH that doesn't respond to my point about CPU affinity, jitter, and jitter causing distortion.

MickLH

I absolutely did.

Herringbone Cat

in fact, that's the first part of my sentence about "aduio quality to losing frequency spectrum/response"

MickLH

45 secs ago, by MickLH

Lossless FLAC can be converted back to the original WAV source

Herringbone Cat

My point is that the conversion takes CPU time which can, in environments not setup for audio processing and CPU affinity, cause distortion.

MickLH

Therefore FLAC and WAV are equivalent in terms of unambiguously storing a sequence of samples of a waveform at a given precision unambiguously

Ohnana

9:04 PM

alrighty kids, i'm out of here before the mod swarm descends on the room. toodles

MickLH

@HerringboneCat This is absolutely, utterly, and ridiculously irrelevant to the point about headphone amplifiers.

Herringbone Cat

@MickLH We're not communicating.. I was talking about the CPU and IO relating to distortion on the system, not the fact FLAC files contain the entire lossless frequency spectrum. I'll leave it at this.

MickLH

You are so deeply lost in your own strawman fallacy that you appear to have lost track of my original intentions in my statement.

13 mins ago, by MickLH

The reason a "good" headphone amplifier is "good", is because it can maintain a linear voltage relationship between the input and output signal under the conditions you operate it in (ie, stressful low impedance that high-end headphones present to the amplifier)

Rоry McCune

@HerringboneCat Mr Mick is a troll, intentional mis-understanding and inflamatory remarks are part of the tools of the trade

MickLH

I absolutely am not

Rоry McCune

9:06 PM

perception == projection

Herringbone Cat

@RоryMcCune I know but I am bored during lunchtime here and figured I'd do some troll feeding and see if he really knew anything about audio, which clearly, is not the case.

MickLH

@HerringboneCat Nyquist shannon? Go.

Rоry McCune

@MickLH you are projecting trollish attitude to multiple members of the room, ergo you're a troll

MickLH

Again I absolutely am not.

Rоry McCune

@MickLH kepp sayin' it bud, don't make it true

MickLH

9:08 PM

I am sharing objectively correct information, if this is offensive then I am sorry but it is still objectively correct.

Rоry McCune

@HerringboneCat fair enough :)

MickLH

@RоryMcCune You can never, ever, argue against objective information, obviously.

And what's taking so long @HerringboneCat?

Are you trying to understand from Wikipedia real quick?

Rоry McCune

@MickLH of course you can, there is no reality only perception

MickLH

@RоryMcCune This is irrelevant outside someone's personal "fantasy reality"

Gilles

@MickLH @HerringboneCat Stop pestering each other to answer. Take a break.

What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!

NOT.

MickLH

9:09 PM

@Gilles I'm not feeling pestered, nor am I setting out to pester anyone.

Herringbone Cat

@Gilles scroll down. I've declared my done ness.

Rоry McCune

@MickLH again perception == projection, you are being perceived as annoying so your intent is not really relevant

MickLH

I can't control people's emotional reaction to learning that they are objectively wrong.

Do you genuinely expect me to somehow make it not annoying that he is factually incorrect?

Rоry McCune

@MickLH look youre chat is 100% off-topic in here, why don't you take it to another room

MickLH

FLAC decompression is a separate problem from analog signal amplification. Period!

Gilles

9:11 PM

@MickLH I certainly expect you not to make annoying to third parties.

Rоry McCune

I have 0 idea why you pop in here

well actually I have more than 0 idea, but she ain't in

MickLH

@RоryMcCune Because I see people talking about a subject, and sharing slightly diluted information, so I set out to clear up the misconceptions.

Just trying to "do my part" as I have spent so many years of my life on so few topics

Herringbone Cat

Rоry McCune

@MickLH and you were just hanging around in a security room with the vague hope that someone would mention something you feel yourself expert in?

MickLH

No I just have stack exchange chat open and so my favorite chats show up on the side

Most things, I'm deeply ignorant about, but electrical engineering (where I started) and computer programming (where I ended up) I am not afraid to make claims about.

Rоry McCune

9:14 PM

bully for you

MickLH

Further I have studied and practiced audio as a hobby since I was a teenager, and eventually went into the field professionally. If I have some misconception about the notions I have asserted, I would greatly appreciate being told so.

As it stands, I have made objective remarks which were met with strawman and ad-hominem arguments. My inquiries about what I have misunderstood have gone completely unaddressed.

Mark Buffalo

@HerringboneCat :D

@HerringboneCat Dude, I love your avatar.

Rоry McCune

@MickLH I know why don't you ask for clarification / confirmation on an SE site that actually has anything to do with the topic at hand.... :) sound.stackexchange.com/questions

Mark Buffalo

Oh wow, what happened in here...

MickLH

In fact, my inquiries aimed purely at building confidence in @HerringboneCat (eg, asking him to give a basic explanation of the nyquist sampling theorem) have also gone unaddressed, leading me to a significant lack of confidence beyond what the usage of ad-hominem and strawman already give.

Rоry McCune

9:18 PM

@MarkBuffalo we have a new troll

MickLH

@RоryMcCune I don't ask, because I have already done extensive research and am completely confident in my claims.

Rоry McCune

he's extra annoying

MickLH

How much real world money would you like to bet that I am the real deal?

Matthew

Is he a bot?

Rоry McCune

@MickLH "If I have some misconception about the notions I have asserted, I would greatly appreciate being told so."

MickLH

9:19 PM

I would like to end this bullshit and prove you all completely wrong ASAP, please.

Mark Buffalo

@HerringboneCat I have indeed channeled you.

Rоry McCune

@Matthew I wish

@MickLH $0 'cause I don't care :)

MickLH

Please do not avoid my question, how much real world money are you willing to bet?

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune indeed

MickLH

Ok then, I'll leave my wager at idk $100

Rоry McCune

9:20 PM

@MickLH see above honestly sparky go find somewhere else to play

MickLH

@HerringboneCat You really would not make a logically sound argument against my premise, for $100?

Rоry McCune

@MickLH if you persist in this offtopic line dude, I will kick you from the room, fair warning. This is off-topic and no-one else is interested :)

MickLH

I've finished already.

Mark Buffalo

sighs

Herringbone Cat

@MarkBuffalo looks like you came at a great time to get out the popcorn and watch the trolls grow

MickLH

9:22 PM

Nobody being willing to take my wager suggests pretty strongly that I was the only one competent in the subject.

Mark Buffalo

@HerringboneCat Naw, I came at the right time to bask in the glory of your avatar. Where is this from?

Herringbone Cat

@MarkBuffalo not sure, I did a search for "steampunk cat" and this came up, and as you've seen I have a similar costume in real life so very fitting

Mark Buffalo

@MickLH Shut up already

Rоry McCune

@MickLH 2nd and final warning, this line is off-topic and no one is interested

Mark Buffalo

@HerringboneCat Yep, I like that :D

Ah, and so Mick flags me :)

Rоry McCune

9:23 PM

@MickLH and now you're flagging, a bold move

TildalWave

oh here come the saviors :)

Rоry McCune

hey @Gilles you can do longer bans than one minute right?

Mazura

Don't flag crap that's crap.

MickLH

"Shut up" is quite personally rude

In context

Herringbone Cat

Someone is channeling the ghost of Antonin Scalia.

Rоry McCune

9:24 PM

@Mazura yeah, @MickLH is a troll, I think, we're trying to get him to stop trolling, without having to kick him but I'm not sure he's taking the hint

Herringbone Cat

Too bad. I was really liking the fact he was like, er, dead.

Rоry McCune

Hello foreign mods and high rep users, it was a crap flag which got marked as invalid

MickLH

@RоryMcCune This only makes sense if by "trolling" you mean, politely pointing out objective facts when the relevant topic is being discussed.

If that's what you mean, please say so and I will bite my tongue.

Mark Buffalo

@HerringboneCat I found it: steampunkcostume.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/…

Really good artwork

@MickLH You just said like 40 times that you'll stop... you keep going.

Rоry McCune

@MickLH you have been politely asked to drop this now several times, and now you are flagging other room users, I suggest that you are acting in a manner designed to provoke a reaction, commonly known as trolling

unfortunately I can only kick him for one minute

darn these limited room owner powers

TildalWave

9:27 PM

I'll just politely suggest that there is such an option to ignore a user in chat

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave sure but then everyone has to endure it till they block him

Herringbone Cat

Back in the day on IRC when your IP address was evident unless you used some type of socks proxy etc, these matters would usually resolved by an ICMP flood.

Gilles

@RоryMcCune man, I step away from the keyboard for 5 minutes and all hell breaks loose

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave I'm totally fine with a couple of regulars having a load of off-topic chat but he just comes in to cause hassle

@Gilles yeah he flagged "shut up"

WTAF

anyway I did my room owner 1-minute thing :)

Ohnana

24 mins ago, by Ohnana

alrighty kids, i'm out of here before the mod swarm descends on the room. toodles

did i call it or did i call it

Rоry McCune

9:30 PM

@Ohnana yeah it wasn't too much of a swarm this time, although we got a cool thor looking mod from cooking...

Herringbone Cat

You know times are rough when the cooking mod needs to help out the information security people in regards to abusive users.

5

Mark Buffalo

lol

Matthew

Did we get any decent cooking tips off him?

Rоry McCune

true indeed

Mark Buffalo

@HerringboneCat I have some questions... actually, do you mind if I ask on the other place?

Gilles

9:31 PM

@HerringboneCat nah, if times were really rough the cooking mod would be helping out on the Parenting chat

Jefromi

@HerringboneCat said cooking mod was busily trying to read through enough history to see if action was necessary but then Gilles showed up

Ohnana

Jefromi ♦, Sunnyvale, CA

29.2k 11 58 147

Jefromi

oh it's me

Ohnana

this person has lots of good answers

oh hai!

Herringbone Cat

@MarkBuffalo sure

Rоry McCune

9:32 PM

@Gilles I'm not sure I want to imagine what parenting chat looks like "has your baby just barfed all over the walls too?"

silverpenguin

@MarkBuffalo pfft i dont text and drive only assholes do that

Mark Buffalo

@silverpenguin good :)

Herringbone Cat

@Jefromi i think you missed the humor in that many of our careers revolve around keeping out and dealing with abusive users :)

Rоry McCune

@Jefromi It would likely be a terrible pun to suggest you are able to cook up a real storm :op

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune /smack

Mark Buffalo

9:33 PM

@RоryMcCune haha

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana when have you ever known me to resist making a pun :op

Ohnana

oh good, when i impatiently eat... er. taste what i'm cooking it's not a health risk :P

silverpenguin

I need to get my meds but my pharmacists phone is down T___T

Herringbone Cat

Speaking of health risk, I think I'm going to go get some tacos from a taqueria that gets 100/100 on the SF health score. This means I won't get Ebola but might get SARS or something

Ohnana

@HerringboneCat wut

Matthew

9:36 PM

What is a taqueria?

silverpenguin

sounds like a fancy stripper

Herringbone Cat

@Ohnana I did briefly consulting securing point of sale systems processing credit cards and saw the insides of a lot of restaurants in SF with 100% health scores. That means only a few familiesi of roaches live in the back.

Ohnana

!!!

@Matthew tiny taco restaurant

Rоry McCune

@HerringboneCat so it wasn't just bugs in the code...

Matthew

@Ohnana They sell tiny tacos?

Seems specialist

Herringbone Cat

9:37 PM

that my friends is a taqueria. :)

Ohnana

@Matthew no it's a tiny resturant, eg. hole in the wall :P

I tend to think the real reason is mostly to make fun of poor people who don't have enough to eat. "Oh, your kids went hungry tonight? Excuse me while I take a bite of gold. Yes, I'm just going to chew it up, swallow it, then crap it out tomorrow and flush it. Because I can." — MGOwen Aug 22 '13 at 11:42

O_O

Matthew

We just have burrito places near work.

Herringbone Cat

@Matthew a burrito place is essentially a taqueria.

It just might be enough people speak spanish on the west coast they don't name them something else.

silverpenguin

@HerringboneCat that just does not look like a food place... it looks like a fake tanning saloon

Jefromi

@HerringboneCat nah, didn't miss the joke, was explaining why I didn't actually do any help

Matthew

9:38 PM

@HerringboneCat Ah... Our ones are called "Panchos" and "Changos"

Herringbone Cat

@Jefromi fair enough. Let me know if you want to eat at taqueria cancun and discuss cooking. :)

@silverpenguin perhaps the inside might look less like a tanning salon donald trump might frequent

Ohnana

i should contribute more to cooking.se

silverpenguin

Herringbone Cat

I'm never sharing my family recipe for Sugo All'Amatriciana with anyone on stack exchange. ;)

I'll have the executor to my will release it after I'm gone.

Ohnana

@HerringboneCat information should be free maaaan

Herringbone Cat

9:41 PM

@Ohnana Fine, I'll release it when coca-cola releases their ingredient list

Mark Buffalo

hacks @HerringboneCat

Ohnana

heehee I can guess that one: sugar, citric acid, tiny smidge of water

Herringbone Cat

@MarkBuffalo The recipe is only in my mind, so you'd have to use rubber-hose cryptanalysis to get it out of me.

Ohnana

actually no. i believe they use HCl ?

Jefromi

@RоryMcCune ooooooh I like this, so far I have only made Mjolnir mod hammer jokes!

Mark Buffalo

9:42 PM

hacks @HerringboneCat with a hatchet, Native American style

Herringbone Cat

there we go

Mark Buffalo

Give me your recipe, or you're getting scalped next.

Ohnana

@HerringboneCat your safe word is "linguine"

Herringbone Cat

@Ohnana and to think i've been using "ouch" as a safeword for this long

Ohnana

AMATEUR

> Historically, it was likely a significant cause of illness, particularly in processed meats. The word botulism comes from Latin botulus, meaning "sausage," because it was originally associated with sausage-making.

Mark Buffalo

9:43 PM

wtf

Ohnana

Holy SHIT. How did people survive before refrigeration?!

Mark Buffalo

sausage = botulism

Ohnana

17

Q: How prevalent was foodborne botulism before stricter food safety guidelines?

Nowadays, foodborne botulism seems to be quite rare, even from potentially high-risk things like home canned goods. (The CDC Botulism Surveillance reports indicate on the scale of tens of confirmed cases per year in the US.) But I can only assume that the strict guidelines we have today were mot...

food-safety canning

read this

Jefromi

@Ohnana Athanasius writes amazing answers, huh?

Ohnana

@Jefromi this is INSANE

let me just whip out my upvote cannon

> Although they are criticized by some today, nitrates or nitrites are absolutely essential to guaranteeing the safety of meat stored for long periods. (It should be noted that most "uncured" meats advertised today actually contain adequate amounts of added nitrate/nitrite to prevent botulism growth; these chemicals are just added in "natural" sources like celery powder/juice.

GODDAMN FOOD HIPPIES.

silverpenguin

9:46 PM

@MarkBuffalo whats wrong with a bit of sausage ;)

Mark Buffalo

So my stuff has arrived... my books on python

I opened the books and realized I already knew this stuff, just not in python :(

the only thing that's new is the crypto stuff

silverpenguin

is that not why you got them though? to do it in python ?

Mark Buffalo

yea

Rоry McCune

@MarkBuffalo Ahh I see where you went wrong there

Python, eww

you wanted ruby

Mark Buffalo

wtf. this "hacking book" is telling me to "encrypt" with base64

LMAO

Ohnana

9:49 PM

oh JESUS

silverpenguin

@RоryMcCune no one wanted ruby

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune Ruby is definitely... well, I guess I can pick up ruby after? :D

I do like the look of it

Rоry McCune

@silverpenguin pls, Metasploit is coded in ruby

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune that doesn't make it good

silverpenguin

@RоryMcCune I know, and it makes me sad

Rоry McCune

9:50 PM

@MarkBuffalo sure just have to make sure you don't get your mind poisoned by "white space is significant"

Ohnana

the name "ruby" sounds stupid when you say it enough

Matthew

@MarkBuffalo Burn it with fire!

Ohnana

"I CODE IN ROOOOBEEE"

Mark Buffalo

this "trojan" sample in the book is trying to get me to use JSON to make a trojan configuration file. LMFAO

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana pls you're suggesting H D Moore would chose a bad language.

Matthew

9:50 PM

@MarkBuffalo Fire! Use the fire!

Rоry McCune

@silverpenguin 'cause you didn't chose a good language like ruby?

Ohnana

@MarkBuffalo hey, learning json for python isn't the worst thing. Also look into the config file library -- it's so magical

Mark Buffalo

@Ohnana It's all stored in plain text... and base64 encoding

I wrote a program to "decode" base64. it's like 1 line of code

so many retarded hackers are using base64 these days

silverpenguin

@RоryMcCune hello class today imma teach you about ruby

xD

Rоry McCune

@silverpenguin it's great, object oriented scripting language

Matthew

9:52 PM

@MarkBuffalo Real hackers use Base66, whilst cruising down Route66

Rоry McCune

very good for fast development cycles and quick programs

silverpenguin

@RоryMcCune I know its ok as long as it isnt RoR

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune not me ;)

Rоry McCune

@silverpenguin well rails is a very different beast

silverpenguin

@RоryMcCune the kind that needs to be put down right?

Ohnana

9:53 PM

yes good let the language eliteism flow through you

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave well no, but hey miracles happen, he didn't come back after I kicked him :)

@silverpenguin rails is ok when the magic all works, but when it stops working, it's a bit of a smegger

Mark Buffalo

gonna read this book, and possibly crap all over it on amazon

but I mean, I guess this is okay for absolute beginners :/

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana pls if I was going to be elitist, I'd code in Erlang or Haskell

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune Haskell is really good

I enjoy it

Matthew

@RоryMcCune Erlang is excellent

silverpenguin

9:55 PM

To Zanarkand Makes Everything Sadder (Old Yeller Has Rabies)

►

Rоry McCune

@Matthew @MarkBuffalo if these two languages are so good, how come no one seems to make large-scale systems in them?

HIPSTEEEERRRRSSS

my view on RoR lol

Zanarkand?! FFX!

No idea how to code in it, RabbitMQ was, and it's fantastic

Rоry McCune

9:56 PM

that's the bit I don't get, HN always sing their praises but then when you see hiring ads it's all JavaScript, ruby, c# and Python

Gilles

@RоryMcCune hey, don't you be getting onto the trolling

Mark Buffalo

@silverpenguin bahahhahahaha

Rоry McCune

@Gilles ah now this is just a friendly discussion about languages and why ruby is the best :) I promise not to insist on $100 wagers on the topic

Matthew

@RоryMcCune Could just be that the communities are smaller, so hiring is more direct?

Rоry McCune

@Matthew possible, but that's what I honestly don't get, if they're objectively better languages you'd expect them to come up/overtake other less good languages

but that never seems to happen

Gilles

9:57 PM

@Matthew no, it's just because being good language to program in has nothing to do with widespread use or with job availability

diagprov

@Matthew probably yes. There's a well known mailing list for haskell people, haskell-cafe. I don't see many jobs advertised on it but I'm sure connections are made through it.

Gilles

@RоryMcCune hence C is the best language ever?

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune They are good. Haskell is far harder to program with than Assembly.

silverpenguin

@RоryMcCune I want to prove my python, love it... I might consider giving ruby a go if setting up the environment isnt like preparing to climb mt fuji carrying my nan and her gnome collection

Rоry McCune

@Gilles exactly, it's not but it still is pervasive in some spheres

Matthew

9:58 PM

I think that for some languages, such as Erlang, the optimal use case is less common

Rоry McCune

so what I'm saying is that say haskell is the best language ever, why doesn't the community grow rapidly and jobs follow

@MarkBuffalo but surely if it's harder than assembly it ain't a good language...

that's what confuses me, to me good language would mean adoption would be rapid

Gilles

@RоryMcCune no programmers → noone wants to risk using it → no job prospects → programmers don't learn it → goto 1

and for many projects, library availability is far more important than language qualities

Rоry McCune

@Gilles ah but the start-up crew are notorious for jumping on the hot new things, e.g. Node.JS was very risky when it started out but adoption was huge

Gilles

(hence why I use Python for a lot of things: I'm not fond of the language, but it has libraries for practically everything)

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune not enough codebase to copy/paste :)

Gilles

10:01 PM

@RоryMcCune and you can find startups using whatever exotic language you can name. So?

Mark Buffalo

@Gilles yeah, this is something that people who can't write algorithms themselves will need

Gilles

@MarkBuffalo who can't, or don't want to!

Rоry McCune

@Gilles but a majority of them seem to stick with languages like JavaScript that most peopel woudl not suggest are good...

diagprov

@RоryMcCune I have a challenge that will answer this for you. Re-write the unix command DD in haskell, with a progress display while it is "dd"ing :)

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave sure but say when rails started off, there was no code base to copy/paste, didn't stop its rapid rise to popularity

Gilles

10:02 PM

@RоryMcCune if you want to run code in a browser, you can: 1. use Javascript, or 2. use another language and translate it to Javascript

Rоry McCune

@diagprov ah (and I've never written haskell) would it be the case that practical programming in it is hard?

@Gilles indeed, but that doesn't explain Node.JS

diagprov

@RоryMcCune diagprov.com/posts/2013/09/… might help :)

Gilles

@RоryMcCune node.js is server-side js, right?

Rоry McCune

Personally my uninformed opinion is that Haskell and Erlang are one of these things that people like the idea of "they're elegent" but in practice they're a bugger to work with

@Gilles yep and for some companies it's really popular (to my surprise)

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune welcome to 10 years ago when hipster was a word

Mark Buffalo

10:04 PM

@Gilles algorithms are fun to write :X

Rоry McCune

like LaTEX , nice idea, bugger to work with

Gilles

Take a lot of programmers who have to know JS because it's the only language that's natively supported on their target platform. Now they need to code for another platform (the server). Why wouldn't they pick the language they already know?

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave :op

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune (throwing up)

diagprov

@RоryMcCune Also try "how to parse arguments with optparse-applicative" :) Once you understand applicative functors, versus functors, versus monads and can hold all that in your head...

Gilles

10:05 PM

@RоryMcCune TeX sucks in some ways (nice typesetting, annoying limitations from 1980s memory sizes, horrible language design) but there's a huge code base to be compatible with

Rоry McCune

to me the fact that loads of other languages have taken off whilst things like erlang and haskell have languished, suggeststs there are problems. Another example Golang is very popular now

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune Haskell is a bugger to work with. I only use it for fun... and the support on Windows is terrible anyway

Rоry McCune

with no established community

@diagprov yep so high barrier to entry, again this was kind of my (very uninformed) thought...

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune Your uninformed thought is entirely correct

diagprov

@RоryMcCune essentially yes. There are some complex-ish ideas in haskell and in FP. They can be learned, but, it's not as intuitive as a sequence of statements that execute in order.

Mark Buffalo

10:07 PM

The barrier to entry is too high

But! It's a great language

(in my personal opinion)

Gilles

@diagprov statements that execute in order isn't such an intuitive idea

it has to be taught

Mark Buffalo

@Gilles How?

It came natural for me, so I can't relate to this

diagprov

@Gilles well, this is true, but I'm assuming programmers who've already got past that problem and are now deciding (or not) to rewrite their whole stack in some form of FP.

Gilles

@MarkBuffalo By repeatedly explaining that the x in line 3 and the x in line 10 aren't the same value. And then you start talking about loops and it gets hard.

@diagprov You're assuming that your programmers are trained in imperative programming but not in functional programming. Of course, under this assumption, you have programmers who find FP harder than IP!

Mark Buffalo

I don't understand. You have x on line 3, it's 0. After line 4, x has an arithmetic operation performed, and the value of 'x' is now something else. Now, when you call x, it's not the same... this is simple: it's executing in sequence

Gilles

10:10 PM

Conversely, programmers trained in FP but not IP (there aren't many of these) find IP hard

@MarkBuffalo no, this is not simple

Mark Buffalo

Maybe I am misunderstanding you

Rory Alsop

Wow. I go out of WiFi on a plane for an hour and we get trolled again!

Gilles

The Mark who posted chat message 28166519 is the same Mark who posted chat message 28166599

diagprov

@Gilles Indeed I am, however, as you say there are more of them :)

Gilles

Why is it different for x?

Rory Alsop

10:12 PM

@RоryMcCune - if you kick from a room multiple times, does it get longer each time? Or just 1 minute each time

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop hmmm not sure, if he does that again I may get to find out :)

Rory Alsop

In reading the transcript I have to admit I did want to mention to @HerringboneCat that his use of the term high end may have been one of the sparks that fed the troll.

Gilles

@RoryAlsop I think it gets longer since recently

Rory Alsop

As if you define high end system as high end audio, then jitter is not a thing :-)

Even my empeg has zero jitter when converting flac, and it was made in 1999 on a teeny ARM processor

@Gilles worth testing @Rоry

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop heh I'll watch out for a suitable subject :)

Herringbone Cat

10:14 PM

@RoryAlsop actually i had a lot of problems last weekend on a linkwitz lab LX521 system with jitter due to the player CPU and power supply, also it's being upsampled to 768k from 96k so that there is no digital filtering at the DAC

Rory Alsop

Lots of dependencies on what people understand by high end then.

Herringbone Cat

@RoryAlsop sure it's a subjective term. also the solution was to use this thing: phasure.com/index.php?topic=2733.0

Rory Alsop

Don't get me wrong, I'd still have bumped the troll (not an euphemism)

Herringbone Cat

@RoryAlsop probably on the brain from the fact that link describes the "XXHighEnd" player and pc ;) cognitive bias ftw

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop BTW don't forget to update the table :)

AstroDan

10:18 PM

LOL, did you guys see this?

Rory Alsop

Yeah - I would imagine a high end gaming PC won't have audio prioritised quite so well

AstroDan

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Q: Anonymity and Free Wifi

I have already read this useful question asked here and it helped me a lot to understant the dynamics of the anonymity on the Net. Let's say I want to be anonymous and I don't want to be traced from Law Enforcement..I've thought at everything (or almost), I hope you can find some vulnerabilities ...

wifi vpn tor anonymity virtualization

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune wut?

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop it's in your e-mail :)

Herringbone Cat

@AstroDan wow i'm not even sure if i can comprehend his question or why he thinks the UUID of his Mac is something people wnat

Rоry McCune

10:19 PM

@RoryAlsop $work address :)

Rory Alsop

Ahhh - will look mañana

Only just landed in Edinburgh

AstroDan

@HerringboneCat The tinfoil is strong with him. But he paid with a credit card so OpSec failure.

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop oy! late night!

Rory Alsop

Not planning on thinking about work till 6am tomorrow

diagprov

@RоryMcCune Are we all on a list? ;)

Herringbone Cat

10:20 PM

@AstroDan I hear Ross Ulbricht is looking for a cellmate.

Rоry McCune

@diagprov after being in this room, for sure!

silverpenguin

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Q: Anonymity and Free Wifi

I have already read this useful question asked here and it helped me a lot to understand the dynamics of the anonymity on the Net. Let's say I want to be anonymous and I don't want to be traced from Law Enforcement..I've thought at everything (or almost), I hope you can find some vulnerabilitie...

wifi vpn tor anonymity virtualization

TildalWave

3 mins ago, by AstroDan

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Q: Anonymity and Free Wifi

I have already read this useful question asked here and it helped me a lot to understant the dynamics of the anonymity on the Net. Let's say I want to be anonymous and I don't want to be traced from Law Enforcement..I've thought at everything (or almost), I hope you can find some vulnerabilities ...

wifi vpn tor anonymity virtualization

silverpenguin

are we voting to close? basically asking for help with illegal activities

TildalWave

yeah, off-topic

silverpenguin

10:22 PM

sorry just came back in lol

why would people think going to an open wifi is anonymous? if you keep going back CCTV apprenances will correlate to illegal activity..no longer a face in the crowd

diagprov

@RоryMcCune Or is it an innocuous code for "begin world domination by Rories"?

Rory Alsop

Begin....

Lol

Herringbone Cat

@silverpenguin this dude smells like a teenage hacker-wanna-be involved in some crap who will soon end up in federal prison

Rоry McCune

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune is that addition or multiplication? :O

Rоry McCune

10:26 PM

@TildalWave I think it's exponential , ya know Rory^Rory

TildalWave

eww :))

sorry, I default to reading exponents as "x on y" instead of "x to the power of y"

M'vy

@RоryMcCune !!

silverpenguin

@HerringboneCat it does sound quiet funny... we should watch him for our own amusement

Herringbone Cat

@silverpenguin you'll have to doxx him first. then we can follow the headlines ;)

TildalWave

@silverpenguin just MiTM that WiFi, insert <blink> into some page that dude is browsing, see whose face blinks too :)

silverpenguin

10:38 PM

loool not even worth my time... thought i do love a good MitM attack e_e

TildalWave

it would probably be fairly simple to establish to first order precision what type of contents people tend to look at by just comparing colors and rate of change of colors reflected off their monitors and on their faces... much red and skin tones = porn, much red + skin tones + blinking = porn videos, reflected color changing with background = skype / vidoe chat,...

appalled expression = facebook :)

or youtube

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune Nice phone post. I added a tinfoil response

I used references from reputable sources to make my case for tinfoil ;x

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Q: What security features to look for when buying a smartphone

I'm looking at replacing my very old android smartphone. Information security is increasingly a feature that I'm looking for. As well as being slow, I don't think I can upgrade my current handset to the latest android versions or even the latest version of the mobile security app I use, so almost...

smartphone vendor-selection

TildalWave

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Q: Merge tags [vulnerability] and [vulnerabilities]?

vulnerability : 209 questions vulnerabilities : 43 questions and no tag wiki Merge hammer?

feature-request tags

shouldn't it be impossible to even create a plural form of a tag if a singular form exists, and vice versa?

Mark Buffalo

agreed

TildalWave

10:54 PM

I meant that, as far as I know, there's a filter preventing creation of such tags... tho OK maybe they exist since before that was added to the engine

diagprov

@MarkBuffalo that is a lot of tinfoil

TildalWave

or maybe because the plural form isn't a simple s as a suffix to a singular form, dunno

Mark Buffalo

@diagprov It's all true, though

Gilles

@TildalWave only a straight -s suffix, the system isn't smart enough

and conversely it picks up some false positives, e.g. http/https

Mark Buffalo

@Gilles ack. I can see how this can get bad quickly

Gilles

10:58 PM

@MarkBuffalo apart from very short tag names that are mostly TLAs and FLAs, the only two legitimate cases of foo/foos I recall are with http and window

diagprov

@MarkBuffalo gets even messy with latin-derivatives like criterion/criteria

no simple s or -es then

and meta-argument about whether criteria is singular-uncountable or not

Gilles

Ah, no, people have found a few others by now

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