Charcoal HQ

Lynn Crumbling

20:01

@Christopher No; the 'why' command outputs data; '-' disables output; those two ideas conflict.

Christopher

@LynnCrumbling XD

!!/addblu 9458783

SmokeDetector

@Christopher Invalid format. Valid format: !!/addblu profileurl or !!/addblu userid sitename.

Christopher

ohhh

Mithrandir

@Christopher please don't play around with that

Christopher

!!/addblu stackoverflow.com/users/9458783

SmokeDetector

20:02

@Christopher User blacklisted (9458783 on stackoverflow.com).

Christopher

@Mithrandir not playing

Lynn Crumbling

:-/

CalvT븃

!!/rmblu stackoverflow.com/users/9458783

SmokeDetector

@CalvT븃 User removed from blacklist (9458783 on stackoverflow.com).

Mithrandir

That user doesn't even exist.

Christopher

20:03

@CalvT븃 only 2 posts both spam

@Mithrandir wait what

i think mods nuked the account

only 2 answers were both spam

CalvT븃

So it was blacklisted anyway - no need to add them

Mithrandir

The "u" in "tpu(-)" means "blacklist user".

Christopher

ohh

well ill be derned

Mithrandir

Essentially, manually blacklisting users is for eg 10kers who come across users who posted spam but Smokey didn't pick it up.

ArtOfCode

So we're well over 100 new users from this meta post... around 130, by my count

CalvT븃

20:06

That should be clear in the training posts. If it's not, then that needs a rewrite (the whole u in tpu thing)

John Dvorak

@ArtOfCode that's kinda crazy

Christopher

@ArtOfCode don't count me in that

ArtOfCode

network-wide features do that for you

Christopher

I have known about you people for a while but never had time to get hoocked in

ArtOfCode

it's around 130 with you in it or not :P

the beauty of inaccuracy

Christopher

20:07

:P

@ArtOfCode we have the same rep also give or take

ArtOfCode

I guess I've got some more training docs to write

John Dvorak

Feynmann numbers: a + b = max(a, b)

Tinkeringbell

@CalvT븃 It's.. buried underneath a few links I guess...

> . At a system level, we’d want to catch and block people doing this, but it’s not worth blacklisting the user because it’s usually a one-time incident.

Christopher

+-38k

Tinkeringbell

And that's on the tp command, there's nothing there specific on the u

CalvT븃

20:08

@Tinkeringbell Yeah just looking myself - @ArtOfCode can help if you want

No idea why I put all that in one message

Tinkeringbell

@CalvT븃 It's at this level: charcoal-se.org/smokey/Commands#silent-mode-and-aliases

Mithrandir

@Christopher If you want to test commands you can also clone it and run it locally, without GitHub or metasmoke integration.

CalvT븃

Actually what it needs is a better explanation of k

> If the reported post is spam or abusive, it’s a true positive. Reply to the report message with k.

Tinkeringbell

@CalvT븃 Agreed..

Also, I nitpicked this when doing it:

Christopher

@Mithrandir i had my fun

Tinkeringbell

20:10

- 'What's Charcoal' page:
Explanation on false positives vs. false negatives: They are already mentioned on page 1, but it only really gets explained on the autoflagging page.
As in, on the 'What's Charcoal' page, it isn't really clear that 'zero false negatives' is related to 'Ideally, we'd never like to miss a spam post'. They might as well be
seen as 2 different statements, while in fact the second is in fact a follow-up on the first. I had to read it thrice ;)

- Feedback page:
Spam is mentioned explicitly as true positive. Does this mean the rest is false positive by default?

CalvT븃

Need to add "K (and it's alias tpu) mark the post as a true positive and also blacklist the user"

*its

Thomas Ward

@Mithrandir or if you're me, spin up fifty Smokey instances to test things with xD

but I digress :)

Mithrandir

...although "k" is actually the alias, whatever

CalvT븃

Technicalities :P

Mithrandir

@ThomasWard I successfully managed to run an instance (without GH or MS) the other day. I was proud of myself for doing that without being a developer at all :p

Thomas Ward

20:12

indeed.

but I just spin up instances to test the optimization attempts I've been doing in private branches, in a secret room :p

Mithrandir

in Beep Boop Maggot, Mar 3 at 21:25, by Locutus of Borg

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev d50c944 (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1670 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1520044092.421708 --autopull) (running on Mithrandir/Tauremornalómë)

John Dvorak

Apparently it's not secret :P

M.A.R.

@JohnDvorak well, Mith probably trained NSA dudes

Mithrandir

@M.A.R. only the ones that came from Gondor.

CalvT븃

@ArtOfCode we should probably include a filtered version of the list of comands in the training list

As in just the important ones

Mithrandir

20:17

@CalvT븃 double slash again

CalvT븃

@Mithrandir That was directly copied from browser...

Mithrandir

Yeah, the same thing happened with //ms

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, phone number detected in title: 18007413145 sage 300 phone number and support number by cxfdgj on askubuntu.com

Jake Symons

@SmokeDetector k

Thomas Ward

@SmokeDetector k

twirls the mod hammer around before he puts it back on the wall

Dead post is dead. >:D

M.A.R.

20:22

@CalvT븃 prolly definitely

@ThomasWard you can reincarnate, then delete it to feel better

Thomas Ward

or I can just firebomb the spammer from orbit. Much more ~~destructive~~ fun that way.

Rand al'Thor

@terdon I hear there's to be a pedantry contest?

terdon

@Randal'Thor Naw, apparently it involves pouring ice cold water over your head. You win.

Rand al'Thor

Oh good.

M.A.R.

@terdon what if the test was the real pedant would immediately refrain from and question the challenge?

Rand al'Thor

20:30

Wait, what's pedantic about being freezing cold?

ArtOfCode

@Randal'Thor what's pedantic about it is the fact that you're not freezing cold. You're just cold.

The ice is freezing cold, but you're not

Rand al'Thor

He said ice cold.

Ice is frozen.

Oh, ninja'd.

M.A.R.

Player3 (CardOfOat) has joined the game

Rand al'Thor

Thomas Ward

y'know I could be an ass and make a note that it depends on what substance we're discussing, because I bet some have freezing points that're much warmer than 32 degrees fahrenheit (the freezing point of water)

but I am not usually that specific :p

SmokeDetector

20:34

New metasmoke user 'grawity' created

terdon

@M.A.R. Sure. As long as I'm not expected to pour not-quite-freeezing-but-too-damn-close-for-comfort-thank-you-very-much water over myself at the tail end of the British winter, I'm up for it.

M.A.R.

@ThomasWard and some ice is not freezing cause it doesn't exist

Rand al'Thor

@terdon Oh, you're in Britain now?

Enjoyed the snow last week? :-D

terdon

@Randal'Thor Yeah, moved to London a month ago.

@Randal'Thor Yes! That was great fun, actually :)

Thomas Ward

@M.A.R. But then that opens up the discussion about "What actually is 'existence'?" and we need philosophers for that one :p

Loong

20:37

@Randal'Thor Reminds me that it's Wednesday here again.

Thomas Ward

heh

M.A.R.

@ThomasWard being able to be drawn in a time-space diagram

Mithrandir

It's been t-shirt weather here :D

M.A.R.

It's been boring weather here

Dangit London, where's the justice?

terdon

Thomas Ward

20:39

@M.A.R. Opens up the discussion about "But we can't draw time-space on a time-space diagram directly, so does time-space actually exist?" (this is going to be a never-ending tree of questions until we get to "What/Who Am I?")

Rand al'Thor

2

M.A.R.

@ThomasWard Who are you?

terdon

heh

Rand al'Thor

@Loong Oh come on, the Sweden-Finland comparison is unfair. They go more or less equally far north.

ArtOfCode

@Randal'Thor This is accurate. And I live there.

Thomas Ward

20:40

@M.A.R. "Who am I? I don't know, because I don't even know if I exist, or what actually constitutes existence, for all I know you are a figment of my nonexisting imagination and therefore don't exist, but since I don't exist you also don't exist, which means nothing you're actually asking me matters, so why does your question matter, and ..."

M.A.R.

Thomas is about to throw an exception

Thomas Ward

:P

Rand al'Thor

@terdon heh

terdon

@Randal'Thor More, uhm, refined than the first one I thought of. And easier to draw.

Although I can imagine how @ArtOfCode refers to his bugs. . .

Loong

@Randal'Thor Well, the locals here would now answer with a Meanwhile in Sweden! (The World in Flames 1939 - 1945) video.

But actually I was just driving from Stockholm to Malmö in the new snow.

Rand al'Thor

20:44

@Loong Huh, that's strange. Haven't they heard of places like Kiruna?

ArtOfCode

Someone got a link to our current blacklisting guidance?

Mithrandir

charcoal-se.org/smokey/Guidance-for-Blacklisting-and-Watching

ArtOfCode

ta

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, offensive title detected: FUCK STACK OVERFLOW by j.doe on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by Jake Symons

Rand al'Thor

@SmokeDetector k

Mithrandir

20:55

So about Channels...

Is that still supposed to launch tomorrow?

Rand al'Thor

DOESNT HELP NEED TO PUT IT IN MORON FORM FOR ME — j.doe 21 mins ago

ArtOfCode

@Mithrandir AFAIK yes

haven't heard anything since I posted that

so we'll have some fun with email addresses

Mithrandir

Lovely

prepares Blaze questions

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 6477aa7 (SmokeDetector: Auto blacklist of www\.errorsolutions\.tech by DavidPostill --autopull) (running on NobodyNada/Raspberry Pi)

New metasmoke user 'AlG' created

New metasmoke user 'Drise' created

Magisch

21:12

♩ ♪ ♫ ♬

This doesn't work as well as I imagined it to

ArtOfCode

form incoming

Sooo. If you want in to the Charcoal channel, I need an email address for you. Form here along with full explanation of why.

4

NobodyNada

@ArtOfCode So it'll make a nobodynada@charcoal address, that redirects to my real one?

ArtOfCode

yup

NobodyNada

Thanks, submitted!

ArtOfCode

may or may not work for sending emails, may or may not be permanent beyond channels usage... depends how many Fun Games™ I have to play with emails tomorrow

quartata

21:24

@ArtOfCode you should already have mine

Undo

@ArtOfCode maybe you do need to explain it - I assume it's our current non-charcoal email, right? Not our preferred alias or whatever on @charcoal-se

quartata

just a 0 at gmail

NobodyNada

@quartata It probably makes it easiest for Art if he can have all the emails in one place at one time

ArtOfCode

that

throw it in the form even if I've already got it, 'cuz I'm just going to use the responses to that as a source of people to add

@Undo yeah, that. That said, if you've already got an @charcoal-se address you're exempt from that form

quartata

already did

Undo

21:27

... too late :P

ArtOfCode

yeah, so I see

eh, no matter

Undo

@raddish0 as promised - you're probably interested in the posts table

quartata

I could probably use that as my commit address

the alias

eh always nice to have yet another email to append to the list

Undo

Only need to verify it with GH once, I suppose

ArtOfCode

7 mins ago, by ArtOfCode

may or may not work for sending emails, may or may not be permanent beyond channels usage... depends how many Fun Games™ I have to play with emails tomorrow

tl;dr: no guarantees of stability at all

quartata

21:30

@ArtOfCode oh I know. half of mine don't work anymore either. it's for symbolic purposes though.

Rand al'Thor

@ArtOfCode I've got a fun game - it's called Silly Buggers™ ;-)

Undo

aye

ArtOfCode

hmm I wonder where you got that idea from

Mithrandir

Those responses aren't public, right?

ArtOfCode

sounds creative and original

@Mithrandir no

Rand al'Thor

21:31

From a man called Billy Suggers.

Mithrandir

@ArtOfCode good. Just making sure, 'cause I'm paranoid

ArtOfCode

does he also perform cunning stunts

@Mithrandir yeah, me too :)

Mithrandir

Are we getting into shoving leopard territory here?

Undo

wat

ArtOfCode

I think Spike might have to provide updates on how the whole email thing goes tomorrow

Undo

21:33

Sometime I should go a full day posting only three char messages here

Mithrandir

Spoonerism

A spoonerism is an error in speech in which corresponding consonants, vowels, or morphemes are switched (see metathesis) between two words in a phrase. These are named after the Oxford don and ordained minister William Archibald Spooner, who was famous for doing this. An example is saying "The Lord is a shoving leopard" instead of "The Lord is a loving shepherd." While spoonerisms are commonly heard as slips of the tongue, and getting one's words in a tangle, they can also be used intentionally as a play on words. == Etymology == It is named after the Reverend William Archibald Spooner (1844–1930...

quartata

@ArtOfCode we should add that as a feed here

Undo

@Mithrandir ohh

wow

ArtOfCode

@Undo "aye", "huh", "heh", "wat", "yup", "nah", "wow"

sounds like a complete vocabulary to me

Undo

yes

Catija

21:34

yar

ArtOfCode

@quartata would not object if someone quietly did that

Catija

Can you add instagram feeds to chat?

ArtOfCode

the power of narwhal compels you

quartata

When I'm home I'll do it

Catija

Oh... wait... Twitter. :P

ArtOfCode

21:35

@Catija dunno, but I'd be surprised if you couldn't add Twitter feeds :P

Catija

Yeah, I think the Lit room has them set up.

Mithrandir

Twitter doesn't have a native RSS feed

Undo

>:(

Mithrandir

But you can hack one together

quartata

Used to have one..

there's a service for it probably

Feeds

21:37

Mithrandir has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Undo

\o/

Catija

Inaugural Spike post?

Mithrandir

It'll take a bit, and then it'll post like 5 messages in a row

quartata

need someone to set the avatar and name

Catija

Oh, it posts the existing ones, not just the new ones?

ArtOfCode

21:39

@Catija waaay ahead of you

Catija

@ArtOfCode Does Spike only say "blub"?

ArtOfCode

blub!

Rand al'Thor

Wait, why does Ask Ubuntu meta get its own special feed in here?

ArtOfCode

challenge to see how expressive I can be with one word and a reversible squishy

Rand al'Thor

Isn't that covered by the network-wide meta feed?

ArtOfCode

21:40

keep trying...

Mithrandir

@Randal'Thor you're looking for Ubuntu.se

Rand al'Thor

@ArtOfCode I gave up :-P

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

:)

Mithrandir

[meta.ubuntu.se] --> Ask Ubuntu Meta

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir Bah.

Christopher

21:41

Immm baccckkk

Rand al'Thor

I thought AU was one of those like SO, SU, SF that works with a two-letter magic link.

Christopher

OK so i lost link to userxcripts

Mithrandir

@Randal'Thor I just can never figure out the one for MO

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir Me neither.

I just call it Maths Overflow.

Which probably bugs the Americans.

Mithrandir

[mathoverflow.se] --> MathOverflow

Rand al'Thor

21:43

At least with Mathematics you can call it Maths Tack Exchange.

Mithrandir

Oh there we go

Christopher

I just installed so many userscripts

Mithrandir

@Christopher gist.github.com/superplane39/61087221d36ee3b25090e8599638e0e5

Christopher

installed

ArtOfCode

@Mithrandir gah

markdown is .md

Mithrandir

21:46

Whatever :P

I should also create a gist of my mod scripts at some point

Squidge the Octopus

blub? blub blub!

Tweeted by octopussquidge on March 7, 2018 at 11:15 AM

Undo

ugg

elp

Catija

Amusingly, not inclusive of the most recent one.

Mithrandir

:43273208 hi Undo

Undo

oy!

Mithrandir

21:51

Aw, the Undo one got deleted

ArtOfCode

this one

Undo

not

me,

dog

too

big

Christopher

why so many mods here???

ArtOfCode

@Undo you failed, this is two letters

Undo

<=3

ArtOfCode

21:52

just add a comma, we'll count punctuation

Rand al'Thor

@Christopher Because it's Charcoal?

WELZ

[Ignores the user]

Catija

@Christopher Where diamonds are made

Christopher

@Catija so this is how i get my diamond

WELZ

@Christopher yep

Undo

21:53

Yep

Catija

[results not typical]

Christopher

Tbh i really want to be mod

WELZ

[status-whatever]

Christopher

want to help people out on SE

get the mod flags cleared

WELZ

@Christopher just missed an election... :|

Mithrandir

21:54

Actually, how many Charcoal members have become mods after joining Charcoal?

Catija

There's an SO one coming up... those are easy to win. ;)

Christopher

@WELZ on PPCG i was ineligible :P

ArtOfCode

when you would like nothing better than to run very far away rather than be a moderator... you're most ready to be a moderator

Undo

o.O

Christopher

@Catija with a question ban and <300 rep? seems legit

WELZ

21:55

@Christopher why?

Catija

@Christopher ... you'll still be ineligible for a while...

Christopher

@Catija yep

Undo

@Christopher You haven't tried to ask a question for a while on SO, then

Rand al'Thor

@Christopher If that's for the reason I'm guessing it is, then it's not site-specific. Ineligible on one site, ineligible on them all.

quartata

@SquidgetheOctopus awh hell yeah

Christopher

21:56

@Randal'Thor voting manipulation?

quartata

ok so it turns out that Tornado has a very nice Websocket API

Undo

Okay, I'm done. 3 letters is too hard.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Christopher definitely

quartata

since I'm using Bottle + Tornado that'll work out nicely

Mithrandir

Undo, Art, Andy, me, David, hichris, Mego, DJMcMayhem, Glorfindel, Henders, doppelgreener, Yvette, Cai, Doorknob

Catija

21:57

@Christopher Any suspension on any site makes you ineligible for a year anywhere on the network.

Undo

@Mithrandir before

Christopher

@Undo last time I did I tried to do what Jon Skeet said SO meta should be for and sandbox on meta, got no help and a removed question and asked on main. -5 or something even with a Self Answer to my problem. I am done with SO for a very long time. Pisses me off

WELZ

@Mithrandir Cai got his after being part of charcoal.

ArtOfCode

@Undo you failed :P

Christopher

@Catija ik

quartata

21:58

@Mithrandir you forgot Doorknob

Mithrandir

What about Seth?

Christopher

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs no asking if that was the reason

quartata

@Mithrandir before

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

o/ . o\ . o/ . o\ . o/ . o\ . o/ . o\ . o/ . o\ . o/ . o\ . o/ . o\ . o/ . o\ . o/ . o\ . o/ . o\ . o/

Christopher

Yeah until june 9th ish I cannot run for mod

the SE I want to get a mod on is Weapons and we are stuck in Commit stage rn

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

22:01

That won't hit beta for a long time...

if it even does

Christopher

yeh

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

I committed since I was in the military and know some about weapons

Christopher

75% commit

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

... or maybe it was military that wont hit beta for a long time

now I cant remember

Mithrandir

@Christoper calling someone a "dork" isn't very nice.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

22:03

@Mithrandir random comment of the day

Mithrandir

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs It wasn't random at all. I just removed a chat message here.

Christopher

@Mithrandir it is a loving nickname for him from Codegolf

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Mithrandir ahh :)

quartata

@Mithrandir chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=dork+noob

Christopher

@Mithrandir chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=dorknoob&user=&room=

Mithrandir

22:07

Still better not to use nicknames that can be misinterpreted... especially in rooms where those nicknames aren't well known.

M.A.R.

@Mithrandir ha, they keep calling him dork noob

He doesn't mind

Maybe just cries a little

Christopher

haha

M.A.R., Tabriz, Iran

404 3 7

area 51 with 404 rep ಠ_ಠ

Mithrandir

Error: rep not found

Undo

@ArtOfCode Alternative: Register gmail.com as our domain.

M.A.R.

@Mithrandir yes. I'm that cool

ArtOfCode

22:09

@Undo bahahaha

suspect that's probably fed off the team details' website field, which we do actually want to be our website not gmail

Christopher

@ArtOfCode idk why but I keep wanting to call you FartOfCode. My brain is cringing rn

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir I remember @Catija saying that to me on Arts & Crafts.

M.A.R.

@Undo you can become Sergey Brin's dog

Christopher

Trying to remember what the rep milestones were

Ik about 10k and 20k, was there a 5k rep milestone?

Mithrandir

@Christopher ooookkaaayyy

Christopher

22:10

and also trying to remember what network rep had to do with those

Mithrandir

@Christopher 5k is review tag wiki edits.

M.A.R.

@Christopher 10k = view deleted, 20k = trusted user, 404 = be a god

Christopher

@Mithrandir it hurts my brain

Rand al'Thor

@Christopher Check your privilege ;-)

Wait, what? PPCG still hasn't got the raised rep thresholds?!

Christopher

nope

M.A.R.

22:12

@Randal'Thor it's so unfair

Christopher

I have so much power with 2k rep

we don't have design for 2 years now so it is fair

Rand al'Thor

in The Sphinx's Lair, Sep 17 '16 at 17:23, by Rand al'Thor

in Mos Eisley, Oct 4 '15 at 21:21, by Praxis

@randal'thor : 10k is when you get instant healing, x-ray vision, and the ability to see 15 seconds into the future. 20k, you get improved stamina, and 25k you get a Starbucks gift card.

Christopher

@Randal'Thor must hit 25k for starbucks

<doesn't actually like starbucks>

M.A.R.

@Christopher no it's unfair

Yay! 4,000 close vote reviews on Chem! \o/

I think I have reviews twice the rep on Chem

Squidge the Octopus

blub blub blub!

Tweeted by octopussquidge on March 7, 2018 at 9:39 PM

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

22:26

@SquidgetheOctopus I want teh stickerz

M.A.R.

@SquidgetheOctopus that keyboard looks dirty

Undo

All keyboards look dirty

ArtOfCode

By my calculations, this one's seen a few million keystrokes

Christopher

@ArtOfCode ಠ__ಠ

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'SagarU' created

Henders

22:33

@ArtOfCode Squidge has his on SE account now too? This guy is going to be taking over before we know it...

ArtOfCode

@Henders that's just a feed account

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body: How is an asset verified? by lumenano on stellar.SE

fp- by ArtOfCode

Christopher

fp-

Henders

@ArtOfCode Ah

SmokeDetector

[ charcoal-se.github.io ] continuous-integration/travis-ci/push success on 95ca981: The Travis CI build passed

ArtOfCode

22:37

^ training series finished

Mithrandir

@Christopher it needs to be a direct reply, or with a sd f ormat

Christopher

@SmokeDetector fp-

ok

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR, what now? by Grace Hudson on superuser.com

Christopher

@SmokeDetector tbu-

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'Yoshi24517' created

Christopher

22:44

really hope i did it right

@SmokeDetector k

Mithrandir

@Christopher nuh-uh

sd - tpu-

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

I just nuked it

Hmmm.. It's almost time to leave work. Do I stay and get overtime? Do I leave? ... Decisions are real people

Mithrandir

@SmokeDetector autoflagged

SmokeDetector

@Mithrandir That post was automatically flagged, using flags from: iBug, WELZ.

Mithrandir

:|

That feels like it should be way too low for autoflagging.

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