English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

RegDwigнt

19:03

@tchrist I think the answer right below it is most to the point.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Never much into inagaddadavida baby.

RegDwigнt

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Q: When are of and that superfluous?

In correspondence to donors of a nonprofit, I think use of the words of and that are superfluous. What is your opinion? He is the boy I saw yesterday vs He is the boy that I saw yesterday. This statement could replace all the notes we send vs. This statement could replace all of the notes we se...

grammatically

This has been asked like ten times by now, and twice just yesterday.

Cerberus

@Alraxite Hmm I had disabled Youtube Center a while before, but I was just testing it, yes.

It does do that too.

Alraxite

Youtube Center slows FF down a lot.

skullpatrol

If you wanna see a slow down try Mathjax :(

Alraxite

19:15

You mean Maths.se?

tchrist

@JohnLawler The worldwide market is craving Syntactic Rules for Dummies, J.M. Lawler, Wiley 2015. Imagine billions and billions served. — tchrist 18 secs ago

skullpatrol

Yep, they use it too. @Alraxite

Alraxite

I don't think I've ever noticed much difference in loading times between Maths and other SE sites.

George Pompidou

@tchrist to whom will you award the bounty?

Cerberus

@Alraxite Yeah, sometimes, but not always. That's probably why I had it disabled.

tchrist

19:18

@RegDwigнt The cool thing is how when you dup-close in under 30 seconds since post time, they get a month and a day question ban.

@GeorgePompidou Mister Christian, of course.

Cerberus

@Alraxite By the way, this is funny. It turns out I already had an older version of your Buffer & Audo-HD script installed! I just had it deactivated.

Jasper Loy

@RegDwigнt It should be closed as off topic.

George Pompidou

that person got it so wrong.

Also, it definitely doesn't come from French, and that's not what "il y a" means in French. There is such a construct in many languages. — George Pompidou 29 secs ago

Alraxite

@Cerberus Haha.

skullpatrol

Have you @tchrist ever read any of the "for dummies" books?

George Pompidou

19:20

sighs

Jasper Loy

Nope, they are for dummies.

Alraxite

@Cerberus I think I remember reading somewhere that the reason Youtube uses DASH is because of the high bandwidth usage caused by videos being buffered completely but not being watched.

So someone would watch the first few seconds and then close the video.

RegDwigнt

@tchrist wait what? Is that a thing? Because it should totally be a thing.

tchrist

Oval Books

Oval Books is a British publishing company responsible for the publishing the critically acclaimed Bluffer's Guide and Xenophobe's Guide series. The books are written by experts on the subject in an off-beat but informative way, verging on spoof. == Bluffer's Guide Series == The Bluffer's Guide to Accountancy The Bluffer's Guide to Archaeology The Bluffer's Guide to Astrology & Fortune Telling The Bluffer's Guide to Ballet The Bluffer's Guide to Bond The Bluffer's Guide to Chess The Bluffer's Guide to the Classics by Ross Leckie The Bluffer's Guide to Computers The Bluffer's Guide to Consultancy...

RegDwigнt

@JasperLoy and when you say that, that's really saying something...

Jasper Loy

19:23

amazon.com/Manga-Guide-Linear-Algebra/dp/1593274130/…

LOL

Alraxite

@Cerberus But of course, that's only true for those who have a high speed connection.

skullpatrol

How would you say it @RegD?

RegDwigнt

@JasperLoy I'd be way more interested in an algebra guide to manga.

@skullpatrol say what?

George Pompidou

why isn't there a flag for a question being factually incorrect

Alraxite

@JasperLoy It's actually a manga. Wow.

RegDwigнt

19:24

@GeorgePompidou there used to be. It was called NARQ.

skullpatrol

What you asked jasper @RegD

Jasper Loy

@Alraxite Oh, do not buy any books in the Cram 101 series.

RegDwigнt

@skullpatrol I uh. I asked him? I don't think I did...

George Pompidou

that there is question has an accepted answer which is clearly made up.

it should be deleted or unmarked as accepted before someone thinks that it's correct.

tchrist

@GeorgePompidou Pasan estas cosas aun en las mejores familias.

Jasper Loy

19:26

Speaking in tongues again.

George Pompidou

I need a Christiansen Obfuscated Nonsense to English dictionary.

RegDwigнt

@GeorgePompidou well that's what happens when the accept mark is, by design, in the hands of the one person who is least qualified to award it.

Cerberus

@Alraxite Probably. But then they should improve their buffering algorisms. And should not throw parts that have already been buffered out of memory. Unless it really takes up a huge load of memory?

RegDwigнt

Algorisms lol.

Jasper Loy

I think that downvotes and accepts should be done away with.

Alraxite

19:27

@JasperLoy Had no idea this existed!

George Pompidou

what are algorisms?

RegDwigнt

Your mannerithms are really getting out of hand, Cerberus.

George Pompidou

I think he meant algorizzims

Matt Эллен

Al Gore-ism: hating the environment and the Internet

George Pompidou

or algoriddims (rasta algorithms)

tchrist

19:28

@RegDwigнt Now now, not nice to tease those with alternate fetishisms. Whatever gets his ’isms flowing.

Alraxite

@Cerberus Yeah, I don't know why that needed screwing rewind-ability.

RegDwigнt

@JasperLoy you can make all downvotes and accepts go away by deleting your account.

George Pompidou

downvotes are super useful man, shit, eat you some soup

Alraxite

I was thinking that these rewind problems wouldn't be as noticeable on high speed connections. Because I don't see many people complaining.

George Pompidou

hugs his downvotes

Jasper Loy

19:29

It's time for @KitFox to leave the office, bye.

Alraxite

But apparently not. As you make it clear.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt ˈθɜɹbəɹəʃ

RegDwigнt

So I'm looking for that image for Mrs Hiny, but instead I'm finding this:

Jun 1 '13 at 13:26, by RegDwighт

skullpatrol

Bye @Jasper Loy

Alraxite

Anyway, this algorithm screws the ones who have a bad connection in every which way. On rewinding, it loses the buffered content. And many a times, people with slow connections will leave a video to buffer. Except of course, that doesn't happen anymore!

Cerberus

19:33

Yes, it sucks. They should take that into account.

tchrist

RegDwigнt

Apr 19 '13 at 13:22, by RegDwighт

KitFox

@JasperLoy See you.

@tchrist I was young and needed the money.

George Pompidou

frets around really angrily about this answer

makes a big fuss with his large hippo mouth

rabble rabble

Alraxite

The ones with good speed are probably in the majority of the consumers who watch Youtube. But it's no good for the minority.

Oh well. Hurray this script exists!

George Pompidou

19:36

a good first step to making a script work.

tchrist

George Pompidou

are those little dudes not getting pricked by the cactus?

tchrist

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol I was saying bye to her, lol

skullpatrol

oh

Jasper Loy

19:39

I also like to tell Matt to go to bed at 11 pm.

skullpatrol

I'll take back my bye then.

RegDwigнt

Found it.

Jasper Loy

Some things can't be taken back =)

RegDwigнt

Nov 1 '13 at 19:06, by RegDwigнt

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwigнt heh yeah

skullpatrol

19:40

True @Jasper Loy

RegDwigнt

And just for the sake of completeness:

Aug 23 '12 at 21:13, by ЯegDwight

skullpatrol

Now I feel complete

tchrist

skullpatrol

NOT!!!

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt I like!

tchrist

19:42

Cerberus

That deserves a restar.

user116848

@KitFox Hello Ms Fox

George Pompidou

is still making a big ruckus

stomps around

Cerberus

@tchrist I have already admired the maintain lion who climbed a cactus, a while ago.

skullpatrol

@Cerb so you like his one-boxing but not mine?

George Pompidou

19:43

okay okay. is KitFox the record holder for person said hi to the most in this chatroom?

RegDwigнt

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Q: Trauma and Träume

I'm aware there is probably little connection between these two words, the Greek trauma, and German Traum, but does anyone know of any connection that may have been explored, scholarly, poetically, etc., whether playing off the homnymic nature of the two, or explaining such coincidence? I know t...

american-english greek german

George Pompidou

there should be an awards ceremony or something. literally everyone says hi to KitFox.

Jasper Loy

Hi George.

RegDwigнt

> Frued

Cerberus

@skullpatrol Tchrist's one-boxing is indeed excessive. But at least it is meant to be new content, to show people things they might want to see or read, not just making a point.

He hand-picked all those links. It's not just typing !!wiki all the time.

tchrist

19:45

@GeorgePompidou Lynx rufus can clock in at 50 pounds. Not so little when he’s sitting on your face trying to dig his way through you to China.

George Pompidou

@RegDwigнt I beat you to it.

Jasper Loy

The first time I got 1k rep, I was very excited.

RegDwigнt

@GeorgePompidou I beat him stronger, though.

skullpatrol

Excuuuuse me @Cerb :D

George Pompidou

that's not fair though, you're a big-shot.

RegDwigнt

19:45

Also, I had to find the damn close reason.

George Pompidou

struts around insecurely trying to prove himself

RegDwigнt

As I said, it used to be NARQ.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@GeorgePompidou Did you? Did I? No. Therefore you must spend 5 minutes in the penalty box for using Figurative Literal.

RegDwigнt

Now you have to write up a novel of your own.

George Pompidou

literally everyone.

also, I've never seen anyone say hi to anyone else in here.

it's a chatroom, ffs

you don't say hi to people.

Cerberus

19:46

@skullpatrol Well, you wanted my opinion...I must say I haven't seen you one-box excessively in a while, well done!!

George Pompidou

you just start talking

RegDwigнt

Mar 9 '12 at 14:57, by KitFox

A Romanian shark walks into some Germans and says "hi."

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@GeorgePompidou Luckily the transcript stands as evidence of your continued wrongness

skullpatrol

@Cerb thanks pal :-)

George Pompidou

I am literally not wrong.

is totally wrong and jealous too

skullpatrol

19:48

You literally over use the word literally

Cerberus

@skullpatrol We all do it sometimes! But I'd want to be told when people found it excessive, if I had no idea.

George Pompidou

what does that mean to over use something?

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Someday we shall have gathered enough of those to set them to the Stabat Puer.

@GeorgePompidou Semper ubi sub ubi!

Jasper Loy

Anyone heard the tenor C sharp in Cujus Animam before?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist gathered what? evidences? To set them to the .... standing boy?

skullpatrol

19:50

@Cerb yes and I said thank you for that.

RegDwigнt

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 well, as George explained just yesterday, any past remark of his is utter nonsense. And since he is in a time zone that is many hours in the past, I am in the comfortable position of discounting as nonsense everything he will say for hours to come.

George Pompidou

if I had a nickel for every time tchrist highlights me with some nonsensical series of characters

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwigнt By definition, every remark of his you observe at any time must be in the past.

George Pompidou

I'm just 6 hours behind you Reg.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I think he has a more customary name in modern Dutch, one ending in Pis.

George Pompidou

19:51

6 hours an idiot...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist If only I spoke Dutch!

George Pompidou

sighs

RegDwigнt

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 exactly. But you're forgetting the many-hours-into-the-future buffer.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwigнt Future utterances won't be observed until they are past utterances.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Stabat Puer ⇰ Mannekin Pis

skullpatrol

19:52

Time is relative QED

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I mean, you can't get hung up on all the nonsense you don't observe. There's just too much of it.

George Pompidou

hey! that's the only thing in Belgium.

RegDwigнt

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But I don't have to observe them at all, I know they will be wrong before they've been uttered.

George Pompidou

I remember seeing it when I went to Belgium. and nothing else in Belgium

tchrist

yesterday, by RegDwigнt

Belgium is confusing.

RegDwigнt

19:53

He himself doesn't even know what nonsense he will produce in six hours. And yet I already know it will be nonsense.

Really quite comfy.

Jasper Loy

If some crap is upvoted, it is probably done by me, lol.

tchrist

This too shall pass.

RegDwigнt

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 not hung up. Dismiss. That's like the exact opposite. Very useful.

tchrist

Como el condor mismo.

George Pompidou

Belgium is confusing.

arses Reg

Jasper Loy

19:55

I am confused.

tchrist

sigue comiendo sus condores

Jasper Loy

Eine kleine Nachtmusik, lol.

tchrist

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George Pompidou

I don't know if Mozart wrote lol in any of his titles.

Jasper Loy

Seems harder to earn rep on this site than 3 years ago.

skullpatrol

20:00

Yep.

George Pompidou

can you buy anything with rep?

Jasper Loy

You can buy some pride?

George Pompidou

internet pride?

tchrist

Dogs and Cats in Rainbow Apparel

George Pompidou

jobs are really nice because you can earn money and pride if you do something cool.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

20:01

@GeorgePompidou you can buy better answers by awarding bounties

George Pompidou

I suppose. good answer.

I trust the community to provide me with good answers without bounty, though.

Jasper Loy

I am here mostly for the fun.

skullpatrol

You can buy the right to talk down to half bright twelve year olds.

George Pompidou

I am here because I want to read things about English and cast my votes based on what I think of them.

so you see, mine is the best reason.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@skullpatrol they're not allowed to join the site because of COPPA

George Pompidou

20:03

only, I sometimes run out of votes for the day. what is this, a Q&A site for ants?

this aggravates me a lot.

also when people vote the wrong way. how difficult is it to put your cursor on the correct arrow and click?

are people insane?

tchrist

There’s one with boring graφux but at least you can read the lυrux:

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George Pompidou

gibt's! that must mean there is comes from German!

I should write a whole answer about that.

skullpatrol

Go for it.

George Pompidou

maybe I will.

tchrist

genever

George Pompidou

20:15

sighs

how can I indicate something as off topic if it's clearly someone raging about being made fun of?

I suppose it's the case to literally type out the concern in a comment.

bah. goes to something else

tchrist

@GeorgePompidou Why you make funny of unglamorous Englitch?

George Pompidou

because it's funny.

I do it to my parents all the time.

my mom recently complained to me about how they're not fixing the holepots on her street.

I laughed for like 5 minutes. it's hilarious.

tchrist

Free decalogues today.

George Pompidou

please tell me I'm correct in thinking that question is massively off-topic.

tchrist

2 days ago, by George Pompidou

it just happens sometimes. my father is a tough guy to get along with.

George Pompidou

20:26

huh?

rubs tchrist's back

George Pompidou

21:12

oh lord

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Q: That's bad or that's bad ass...What?

Is it Bad or Bad? How did the definition bad change over time? When did it change over time?

etymology

laughs

GnomeSlice

mixlr.com/gnomeslice

George Pompidou

I like the verb to soothe

Anonymous

@GeorgePompidou The question makes no sense.

George Pompidou

it's hilarious though. I might just upvote it.

and/or answer it.

never mind. gotta mark it as a dupe.

Anonymous

That's better.

Jez

21:19

dear god what did they do with dictionary.com? :-(

George Pompidou

still gets my upvote, though. for humor.

Jez

now every word i get some big dumbass map showing me when it originated

skullpatrol

Have you tried visual thesaurus.com ?

Jez

yeah they screwed that up a while ago

skullpatrol

How so?

Jez

21:23

i dunno i think i just liked the look and feel before

skullpatrol

icic

user116848

icic seems very funny.

skullpatrol

I like it :-)

George Pompidou

I answered it. couldn't help it.

so easy.

and kinda cool. I had no idea people said bad to mean good in the late 1800s!

etymology hippo

GnomeSlice

@KitFox If you're interested, I'm broadcasting some music on Mixlr mixlr.com/gnomeslice

George Pompidou

21:38

ooh! I got my hedgehog supplies I ordered ^.^

is excited to set up his hedgie's habitat today

tchrist

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A: What to do about missing source attributions?

Since I am especially interested in EL&U questions that involve the historical development and alteration of word meanings, or the first occurrence of a word or phrase, providing source information is especially crucial to the usefulness of my answers. A bit of advice I received (some time ago) i...

George Pompidou

dude, bro, that's so meta.

@tchrist are you saying something about my attributions?

skullpatrol

22:06

Cool tunes @GnomeSlice

GnomeSlice

@skullpatrol Thanks buddy. I think so too.

oh my 1 hour is about to run out

byebye tunes

Oh I can just start it again

nice

skullpatrol

:-)

GnomeSlice

twitter.com/mixlrlive/status/497142739868590080

sick

tchrist

You know, @Andrew, I sometimes wonder how many questions would be rewritten into suitable form if it detected that they were asking if something is grammatically correct and blocked them from doing so with a little popup saying why? :)

This might be a dupe, but I was in a hurry so just answered anyway. Certainly it is general reference, but from what I can tell, people can’t even read a dictionary without handholding and other unmentionably unsanitary acts.

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A: Should I use "is" or "are" with "any of X"?

Any: Determiner and Pronoun sg. & pl. Although its origins lie as an indeterminate derivative of one, which is of course singular by definition, any can be used both in the singular and the plural. Per the OED, in the singular, any means: A __ no matter which; a __ whichever, of whatever ...

Andrew Leach

Not many questions would be rewritten, I suspect. My standard comment might go some way to help (I hope; otherwise it's not helping now).

> Unfortunately proof-reading is explicitly off-topic. Proofreading questions can come in many forms: "Help me fix this", "What's wrong with this", "Are there any mistakes", Which is correct", but they all involve reading a specific text and won't really help anyone else.

> Please identify what you're particularly concerned about, and edit the question to indicate that. It's possible, of course, that there's already a question for it, which searching the site may well find.

GnomeSlice

22:16

When my next hour is up, the broadcast is gonna stop @skullpatrol. I'm gonna go eat and watch some TV.

skullpatrol

Thanks for sharing @GnomeSlice

Andrew Leach

@tchrist That question is almost certainly a duplicate. If it weren't late I might even have looked for the original.

George Pompidou

23:14

what's a good onomatopoeia for the sound of shaving?

sssskrep skrep

(that isn't also a brand name)

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