English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

You seem to be looking for marshal (which nobody will understand) or stringify (which they will): stringification The process of producing a string representation of an abstract object. ―page 1076 of Programming Perl, 4th edition, by Christiansen et al., O’Reilly 2012 ...

Matt Эллен

8:11 PM

bacon's on short supply

George Pompidou

@RegDwigнt that's good, I hate that band anyway.

RegDwigнt

@tchrist Now that is 72-point.

Andrew Leach

@RegDwigнt Hm. Some of their stuff is ok. Pity.

RegDwigнt

You George look and learn.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt We aim to please.

RegDwigнt

8:11 PM

@AndrewLeach some? I thought it was all? Or did they go on to make more LPs I never heard about?

George Pompidou

you quoted yourself.

tchrist

I’m practising to be a German police officer.

Andrew Leach

I only heard the odd phrase or two. That was ok. Can't speak for the rest.

tchrist

Who are particularly notorious for their autocitations.

Andrew Leach

*practising.

tchrist

8:12 PM

True.

Andrew Leach

Verbs get s not c.

tchrist

No, no, no. That’s my line.

You can’t have it.

RegDwigнt

@GeorgePompidou thank you for the explanation. I was just re-reading that answer for a fourth time preparing to post the Kosmo quote.

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Limerick Machine: Commotion jam

posted on August 05, 2014 by sgdi

There once was a packet of ham Improperly labelled as spam They raised a furore At the green grocer’s door The commotion created a jam

Andrew Leach

@tchrist I sit at the master's feet :-)

RegDwigнt

8:13 PM

> No one will ever not know what stringify means.

Okay now that is a tall order.

I will go grab some people off the street.

tchrist

I must eat.

Matt Эллен

be sure to pronounce it /ˈstrɪndʒɪfɪ/

tchrist

@MattЭллен Cuzza?

Anonymous

What motive could there possibly be, aside from the fact to know what are POS. :) @tchrist

tchrist

@bivoc I fear there is not world enough, nor time, to fully explain.

You assume that something is a part of speech, and therefore, that there can be only one right answer.

This is incorrect.

POS assignment are of little abstract use, only practical uses in particular domains.

Anonymous

8:18 PM

There is always one right answer in everything. Its just a matter of heavy statistics.

tchrist

@bivoc Silly willy.

Matt Эллен

@bivoc what side of your body is the opposite of the opposite of your left side?

tchrist

> There’s more than one way to do it.™

Anonymous

way !== correct.

tchrist

Wrong.

Matt Эллен

8:19 PM

@tchrist fun

RegDwigнt

Quadratic equation

In elementary algebra, a quadratic equation (from the Latin quadratus for "square") is any equation having the form where x represents an unknown, and a, b, and c are constants with a not equal to 0. If a = 0, then the equation is linear, not quadratic. The parameters a, b, and c are called, respectively, the quadratic coefficient, the linear coefficient and the constant or free term. Because the quadratic equation involves only one unknown, it is called "univariate". The quadratic equation only contains powers of x that are non-negative integers, and therefore it is a polynomial equation, and...

tchrist

Even in mathematics, multiple proofs are always possible. There is no one right answer.

RegDwigнt

Nuff said.

Anonymous

It can't be Wrong then, since there is more than one way to look at it :)

tchrist

Natural language is squishy. It is not bound to the rules and regulations that apply to groups, rings, or fields.

RegDwigнt

8:21 PM

> No one will ever not know what marshal means,

Overnegation strikes some more.

tchrist

Damn it.

RegDwigнt

The club of people who don't know what the heck @tchrist means now welcomes @tchrist!

tchrist

I shall do it today. I think that one’s from today. The today meaning of that word has shifted from the yesterday one.

Anonymous

It just seemed weird, that Article was left out in-favor of Interjection.

RegDwigнt

I will leave out anything in favor of anything else for a mere 3000 dollars.

Anonymous

8:24 PM

I searched all over the Internet, and yet couldn't find any reason for this.

tchrist

Running running shoes through running water while running scared won’t be running you into trouble that way.

@bivoc To demerit.

Anonymous

@tchrist Don't change the subject.

Jasper Loy

I just ate a bowl of fried rice.

tchrist

@bivoc What’s a subject?

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RegDwigнt

Running running running though the streams are swollen, keep them doggies running, rawhide.

tchrist

8:27 PM

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Anonymous

@tchrist Nitpicking over every small detail, that never answers the question, but creates one after the other ...

tchrist

@bivoc Ask another stupid question. . . .

RegDwigнt

I am missing like 90% of the context here.

Mitch

@MattЭллен Damn the enemy! The colonists of clean air are revolting and need our help!

RegDwigнt

Who asked what where.

tchrist

8:28 PM

He’s being a slow learner.

He’s pissing off because some POS POS list had one POS but not another.

It’s completely stoopid.

Mitch

@tchrist Mr Morton is the subject of this sentence.

Jasper Loy

@Mitch I just returned after deleting my account!

RegDwigнt

Oh in that case I can reassure everyone that I can create ten POS lists before you can say BS. And vice versa.

Mitch

@JasperLoy I thought you had already just come back.

@RegDwigнt BS

tchrist

@RegDwigнt My point.

Jasper Loy

8:30 PM

@Mitch I deleted my account after a few days a few days ago.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch I'm at my twentyseventh.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt !!Dammit

tchrist

Astonishing.

RegDwigнt

Rawhide.

Anonymous

The question was an honest one actually. I just wanted to know, why Article was not mentioned here as POS. @RegDwigнt

tchrist

8:30 PM

Sic semper tyrannis.

Eenie meanie miney mough.

RegDwigнt

@bivoc any number of reasons. The most prominent one being: they forgot. Or deleted by accident.

It's a wiki. You can add it.

Actually, neither.

> the most common ones are the following

The most common ones.

George Pompidou

@RegDwigнt where?

tchrist

@RegDwigнt I can think of 17 more. One is to be found in the URL itself. That’s the simplistical.wikipedia.org version.

Anonymous

@RegDwigнt I don't know if you are being sarcastic, but that is very different from what @tchrist said.

tchrist

No, it is exactly the same thing I said.

RegDwigнt

8:33 PM

@bivoc I am not being sarcastic. I have no reason to. And if it's different from what others say that is only further proof that there are any number of reasons.

Anonymous

@RegDwigнt I think Article is more common POS than Interjection.

tchrist

I said POS lists vary according to the purpose to which they shall be put.

RegDwigнt

@bivoc well, you think wrong. I can't name a single language without interjections. I can name a hundred without articles.

tchrist

@bivoc Then you might consider using more of them. :)

@RegDwigнt Ouch. True, but ouch.

RegDwigнt

It never says English grammar. Or English parts of speech.

The article is perfectly fine for all I can see.

tchrist

8:35 PM

Heh.

Anonymous

fine redirects here

RegDwigнt

> There are nine parts of speech

See I don't need to read on.

The very first sentence is blatantly wrong.

Next one.

Anonymous

Also, I know a language that is, without Interjections. It's called "Are you sure about that dude?"

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt But in languages that have them, articles are usually far more frequently used than interjections.

RegDwigнt

There are eleven parts of speech in East Slavic languages. Or twelve? I actually forget.

@Cerberus you are welcome to add that sentence. It's a wiki.

Anonymous

8:37 PM

@Cerberus shutup and take my money :)

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Who?

tchrist

2 hours ago, by tchrist

@bivoc This ranges from the original classical set of 8 POS to the Penn set of 36 POS to the NUPOS set of 223 different POS.

Cerberus

@bivoc Surely you could have said that yourself!

tchrist

2 hours ago, by tchrist

@bivoc I think you have a grave misunderstanding here. There can be no single right answer enumerating what “the parts of speech” (POS) there are. It wholly depends on who’s doing the enumerating and what their purpose in doing so is.

Cerberus

@tchrist Or however many you wish, depending on your definitions.

Jinx.

tchrist

8:39 PM

@Cerberus Exactly so.

Cerberus

That's settled, then.

Anonymous

I think it's safe to assume, that when one asks a question relating to the rules of grammar here or anywhere, you ought to respond in reference of the English language. Otherwise anything you may try to teach, as a rule will always contradict with some language we've heard or unheard of.

Anonymous

@tchrist And that was the missing piece in this argument.

RegDwigнt

@bivoc I think it is safe to assume that when you are asking a question about an article that talks about grammar in general and not about English grammar, that we should be allowed and even expected to point it out to you

.

I mean, you're coming here and asking, why does the Wikipedia article on Berlin not mention the Space Needle?

What are we expected to say, "you're right, the Space Needle is a very important landmark"?

Anonymous

Fair enough! But point it out to which extent? We don't have a frame of reference here. And yes, if you have the capacity to say, that I am wrong in something, you might as well finish the sentences altogether.

Anonymous

8:46 PM

Obviously, I say this in a friendly tone. I'm not trying to ruffle some feathers here.

Anonymous

Sorry, if I am crossing the line :)

RegDwigнt

I don't think anyone feels ruffled. But I am not quite sure what you mean by "to which extent". You asked, for a possible reason for X, and someone answered well here's one possible reason.

Of course people eventually can start getting insistent or impatient if you're not satisfied with what objectively is not only an answer, but indeed an Occam's razor answer.

But I don't know for how long you've been discussing it and with whom and where, I can only comment on the last couple posts here in chat.

Anonymous

Not long actually.

RegDwigнt

Well as I said earlier, either way I felt like missing 90% of the context.

Anonymous

The only thing missing out of the context is that, I have too much counterintuitive ideas about anything.

Anonymous

8:55 PM

So, I get into arguments a lot.

Jasper Loy

@bivoc If something keeps growing longer, does it mean it will become as long as you want it? What does your intuition tell you?

Anonymous

Yes. I guess so.

RegDwigнt

Without arguments, this chat would be dead. The whole Internet, even.

Jasper Loy

@bivoc Hmm, OK. It need not. Take for example 1/2+1/4+1/8+... never exceeds 1.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt So do I, have no idea what prompted the questions.

@RegDwigнt You're wrong.

RegDwigнt

9:00 PM

@Cerberus and you need a fag.

@Cerberus and that's no argument, just contradiction.

Mar 7 '11 at 18:26, by RegDwight

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Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Not at all, my argument is that I know more than you do, and the conclusion must be that you are wrong. On the Internet.

@RegDwigнt I can get one if needed.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus I could buy nineteen on the very next street corner.

Cerberus

That's a very specific number.

RegDwigнt

That's how many fit in one package.

And you just clearly blew your cover that you're not talking about smokes at all.

Anonymous

Who would like a logical question?

Cerberus

9:04 PM

@RegDwigнt I think they are sold viceni here.

@RegDwigнt How so?

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus because you obviously don't know how many smokes are in one pack.

@bivoc seven.

Cerberus

@bivoc We would, but we have little hope...

RegDwigнt

Why are you pinging the future me?

Who allowed this?

Cerberus

I am above the laws of nature.

RegDwigнt

You mean you're above the gloves of stranger.

Cerberus

9:07 PM

The what? The who?

Gloves?

RegDwigнt

Don't matter. You promised to clean up Wikipedia and never did.

Mar 7 '11 at 19:21, by Cerberus

I agree that Wikipedia etc. etc. is a mess regarding metonymy, synecdoche, and metaphor. I am planning to clean it up some day. Yuck.

That is OVER THREE years ago.

We're growing impatient.

Jasper Loy

That is over 9000 seconds ago.

Anonymous

@Cerberus Say you are going to give me an answer, (or as you like to phrase it) point me to something.. which then, by definition, should be the right answer - which we have established is abstract and therefore can not be summarized. Now having said that, if "Someone is able to provide a possible answer", then considering a possibility is the only pinnacle of achievement one can attain, what logical reason is there for my possible answer to be insubordinate of yours?

RegDwigнt

And look, we're not even asking you to clean up Wikipedia etc. etc. We're down to just Wikipedia.

@bivoc oh so you were bringing the NEW and IMPROVED incomprehension.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Haha how the hell did you get there from cigarettes?

Anonymous

9:10 PM

@RegDwigнt Yes, counterintuitive views do get into the realms of incomprehensible A Lot.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus it is the very next post under my Argument Clinic video.

Cerberus

@bivoc I'm afraid I don't understand the question. For starters, I don't understand the first inference: Say you are going to give me an answer, (or as you like to phrase it) point me to something.. which then, by definition, should be the right answer

Anonymous

28 mins ago, by RegDwigнt

@bivoc I think it is safe to assume that when you are asking a question about an article that talks about grammar in general and not about English grammar, that we should be allowed and even expected to point it out to you

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Perhaps I will need to clear up an hour or two in my agenda.

Anonymous

> point it out to you

Cerberus

9:12 PM

@RegDwigнt Ahh, woe my misfortune!

RegDwigнt

room topic changed to English Language & Usage: For starters, I don't comprehend the room description (no tags)

Jasper Loy

I am very sad today.

Cerberus

Haha.

That was to Reg, not to Jasper.

Why so sad?

Jasper Loy

Because I am afraid I may never get well.

RegDwigнt

@JasperLoy Yeah you should be totally happy, that was easily the best tween today.

Jasper Loy

9:14 PM

I still cannot believe Germany beat Brazil 7-1.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy but you can improve. you are improving

RegDwigнt

@JasperLoy see, that's another reason to be happy.

tchrist

@Cerberus I think you have committed a locative sign error.

Jasper Loy

@MattЭллен I am considering emailing you about the illegal thing, let me think about it first.

Matt Эллен

OK

@JasperLoy I am not a solicitor...

;)

RegDwigнt

9:15 PM

Just don't buy chewing gum, okay?

Jasper Loy

!!define fag

tchrist

@bivoc Invalid assumption. Are you a lawyer?

Jasper Loy

Oops the bot is not here.

RegDwigнt

Yeah been dead for a long while.

Jasper Loy

I am particularly bad with short words.

RegDwigнt

9:17 PM

That's normal.

Anonymous

@JasperLoy You should say I am short of short words.

Anonymous

@tchrist No and No.

tchrist

@bivoc Which is something that you shove off on others who are less appreciative of its appeal than you yourself appear to be.

RegDwigнt

Anyone can guess what irrepugnant means. But good luck guessing what a pug is.

tchrist

@bivoc I see that I selected the wrong diphthong.

@RegDwigнt Forever?

RegDwigнt

9:19 PM

Forlong.

tchrist

kk

Jasper Loy

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Q: Language and Thoughts

Can a Natural Language (like English for instance) describe anything ? are our thoughts limited by our language ? if the number of words in a Natural Language is finite set, can this set describe an infinite number of concepts, notions and ideas ?

Interesting Q.

RegDwigнt

tchrist

@JasperLoy Not going to work here.

Anonymous

@tchrist Don't hate. You'll live longer.

RegDwigнt

9:20 PM

@JasperLoy oh so you are the one upvoting everything. Bad Jasper, bad.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Pugsly!

RegDwigнt

@tchrist no, Forlong.

Jasper Loy

@RegDwigнt Haha, I thought it was an interesting question.

Andrew Leach

@JasperLoy Off-topic here.

tchrist

@bivoc Don’t lie. Don’t prevaricate. Don’t get into arguments. You’ll live longer.

Andrew Leach

9:20 PM

Linguistics or CogSci, perhaps.

Jasper Loy

I do not vote the way I should, but the way I like

Andrew Leach

That's fine. The question is interesting.

tchrist

@JasperLoy There is no should; there is only does.

Anonymous

Don't see things as you like to see them, than for what they really are. You'll live a lot longer.

Anonymous

@tchrist

Anonymous

9:22 PM

@tchrist btw: Does the name tchrist have any correlation to Anti-Christ?

tchrist

Ok, screw this. FOAD.

Anonymous

Not trying to offend, but it sounded like that..

RegDwigнt

@AndrewLeach it's only interesting until you realize that there are numbers.

Jasper Loy

I discovered that Robusto and Kit quarrelled again a few days ago.

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy best to let things lie, though, eh?

Anonymous

9:26 PM

@tchrist smh but not amazed.

RegDwigнt

Or until you realize that six LEGO bricks can be combined in 915103765 ways.

Jasper Loy

@MattЭллен Yes. I just did not expect it to happen a second time.

As you can see, even without an account, I am always spying on you.

Matt Эллен

I thought as much

RegDwigнt

I'm writing down these stats and then taking my leave.

Cerberus

@tchrist Sign? No excessive noun adjectives, please!

RegDwigнt

9:30 PM

@Jasper Rather than recreating your ELU account a zillion times, you should do that with your LEGO Ideas account.

Then I'd be OVER 10000 in no time.

Jasper Loy

@RegDwigнt Good idea.

Anonymous

Fluid and crystallized intelligence

In psychology, fluid and crystallized intelligence (respectively abbreviated Gf and Gc) are factors of general intelligence, originally identified by Raymond Cattell. Concepts of fluid and crystallized intelligence were further developed by John L. Horn, the primary student of Raymond Cattell. Fluid intelligence or fluid reasoning is the capacity to think logically and solve problems in novel situations, independent of acquired knowledge. It is the ability to analyze novel problems, identify patterns and relationships that underpin these problems and the extrapolation of these using logic. It is...

Anonymous

It goes to show that [at-least in here] age has no monopoly over Crystallized intelligence.

RegDwigнt

Psychologists are nuts.

Jasper Loy

I have two nuts and one banana.

RegDwigнt

9:32 PM

Too much information. Or too little, we don't know.

Andrew Leach

And you're lonely?!

RegDwigнt

Yeah you should totally have two squirrels and a monkey by now.

Jasper Loy

I never thought of psychology as anywhere near a science. It is an art.

RegDwigнt

So what. Garfunkel is an art, too.

Anonymous

@JasperLoy I wouldn't call Sigmund Freud an artist.

Jasper Loy

9:34 PM

I also think they should move math departments from the faculty of science to the faculty of arts.

RegDwigнt

@bivoc he invented trolling. And trolling is a art.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Hay guise!

Anonymous

@RegDwigнt Well, by that account, you have some of the best artists in this room.

RegDwigнt

We have some of the best artists by many accounts.

Though trolling is indeed the most sophisticated of them all.

Anonymous

How can one art be more sophisticated than the other?

Anonymous

9:40 PM

Its abstract and subjective. Which rules out the possibilities of hierarchy in any sort.

RegDwigнt

Dec 9 '13 at 13:57, by RegDwigнt

By trying really hard and succeeding.

@bivoc certain handicrafts are objectively and undeniably easier than others.

Anonymous

false

RegDwigнt

Oh, we're playing that game?

NOU

Jasper Loy

I will make some coffee.

Anonymous

I just thought the measure of the difficulty is bestowed on the barer, and only he/she within his/her unique circumstance can be the judge of it.

RegDwigнt

9:45 PM

Well it takes 10 years to master anything. But that's not what I'm talking about.

Very basic stuff. Some art you can no longer create when you're missing a finger.

Other things you can do when missing all four limbs.

Anonymous

But there could be some arts you can master if you're missing a finger.

RegDwigнt

Yes. There are.

Self-mutilation in particular.

George Pompidou

This question is a better fit for our sister site Linguistics, or even Philosophy. Or perhaps it's just common sense. Just think numbers. — RegDwigнt ♦ 23 mins ago

chuckles

RegDwigнt

There's an entire subreddit for people who amputate limbs because that's art to them.

George Pompidou

Andrew should've stopped his reply at "Please don't repost."

this guy clearly needs to attend his lectures.

RegDwigнt

9:47 PM

@GeorgePompidou I am sure Linguistics will be nicer and point him to Tapir-Woof, and then tell him all the ways in which it's wrong.

But I'm cutting corners here.

Andrew Leach

I'm happy to get it migrated elsewhere if it can be. I reckon it's Philosophy. We'll see who gets it!

George Pompidou

it's such a silly question. it's automata theory 1.

and a nonsensical version of that.

RegDwigнt

Migrate it to Super User, then.

George Pompidou

on the other hand, I really like this 'til the cows come home' question.

RegDwigнt

Til is not a word I know of.

Andrew Leach

9:49 PM

Until. Poetic/archaic.

RegDwigнt

But I was meaning to watch Community and fall asleep.

@AndrewLeach exactly. Until. Or till. Or even 'til if you're damn stupid Hallmark. But never once til.

George Pompidou

in Romanian it's 'til the old lady goes by with doughnuts'

I never really understood it.

RegDwigнt

Certainly they can't be doughnuts.

Must be something halfway between langosh and ponchiki.

George Pompidou

it's not doughnuts. I've no idea what it is. it's dried bread circles.

that are very crispy and hard to eat.

Andrew Leach

@RegDwigнt Til is fine. OED has an apostrophe, but that was nearly thirty years ago.

RegDwigнt

9:52 PM

That is so not doughnuts. Like. duuude.

George Pompidou

also, I just looked it up and sort of realize where it comes from. it's saying that you'll miss your chance to buy dried bread circles if you wait too long, because she'll have gone by already.

Anonymous

speaking of doughnuts

RegDwigнt

@AndrewLeach you mean your copy of OED is thirty years old? Because if it isn't then it isn't.

Andrew Leach

@bivoc Hah! I did that when I was four. Or actually, worse.

Jasper Loy

I threw away all my books a few months ago. Now I only have eight books on my shelf.

Andrew Leach

9:53 PM

@RegDwigнt No, the entry in the online OED dates from 1986.

@bivoc Mummy, why is that lady so fat?

RegDwigнt

@AndrewLeach so. The apostrophe is still required then.

Andrew Leach

No. OED hasn't caught up.

RegDwigнt

@bivoc I don't get it. Why don't they ban the fat lady? She obviously already ate all doughnuts. But the boy can still get fat!

@AndrewLeach anyway. There's no point in 'til in the first place because that's what till already is.

Jasper Loy

My own suffering has caused me to look at the suffering this world. I think many people in this world have no life at all.

RegDwigнt

So there's even less point in til.

Anonymous

9:55 PM

@RegDwigнt I'm guessing she is their most valued customer :)

RegDwigнt

TIL is the only one I'll accept.

Jasper Loy

I only use OK, not okay.

RegDwigнt

@bivoc I wouldn't pay a rat's tail for her. And I don't even have a rat's tail...

@JasperLoy you mean the poor ones have no life because it's all work, or the rich ones have no life because it's all money?

Anonymous

I do. And I wouldn't neither.

Jasper Loy

@RegDwigнt I mean the former.

RegDwigнt

9:58 PM

@JasperLoy depends on whether they want something else. There are people, and I know quite a few myself, who define their life through work.

Jasper Loy

I wonder why parents give birth to children into such poor surroundings.

RegDwigнt

(And I mean real hard manual labor.)

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