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KitFox

00:16

70

Q: Add a "Review posts with reopen votes" review task?

When a question is closed because it is considered to be "not constructive" or "not a real question", the text explicitly includes a hint that the question might be reopened after it has been improved/clarified, e.g. For help clarifying this question so that it can be reopened, see the FAQ. ...

Ta DA! For all of you who have been waiting—Status Completed.

Journeyman Geek

ya, loving that ;p

Cerberus

Great!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So a question needs to already have reopen votes cast before it appears in the queue?

Seems odd. It should be automatically queued after edits are made on the closed question

KitFox

harrumph That's gratitude for you.

Cerberus

Wow, zapping 4-voters is very gratifying!

But I even resisted one 4!

Aren't you proud of me?

KitFox

00:27

@Cerberus pats heads, scratches ears

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Well, it solves the problem part-way but doesn't go far enough, I guess. Getting the attention drawn to the edit is the hard part. The user has no way of knowing how to do that.

Cerberus

Thanks!

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, true enough. Maybe you ought to post a request to modify the reopen queue?

Well, I'm off. Later!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Every time I post a feature request TPTB spit on me. So no thanks.

KitFox

puts mod umbrella over @Mr. Shiny

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

00:31

thanks :)

KitFox

Maybe wait a few days anyway so the developer doesn't get pissed.

Now really, see you tomorrow.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

cya

I stopped ping-replying to you so that you can go

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

00:47

I have no idea what to do with this edit: english.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/10587

Cerberus

Too long.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

On one hand, someone could post that answer and we couldn't really stop them. On the other hand, it takes a bad answer and adds meaningless speculation and pointless elaborations and not a shred of evidence.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

01:28

okay

So I just went through a bunch of questions in the "reopen" review queue

I found that exercise completely pointless

Almost none of the questions had been edited after closing

Yet determining that information was laborious and tedious

tchrist

Yes, me too.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I cast a scant handful of reopen votes based on the newfound knowledge that ELL questions may be topical, and the rest were "leave closed"

tchrist

Out of all 66 or whatever it is, or some smaller number?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It was so boring a task that I doubt I'll do it again.

I only made it through 25 or so

tchrist

I haven't found any to open in the first 20.

I wonder what the Don’t vote does. I think it does nothing. There or in the Close queue.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

01:31

yeah most of them were pretty dubious reopen votes. example, I tend to answer "which preposition" questions

tchrist

Just like I don’t think suggest deletion does anything.

Please don’t reopen Norty’s.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist Yeah it probably does nothing except remove it from my queue.

@tchrist No, those must be closed on principle.

tchrist

And pray deleted.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But prepositions are hard for people to understand sometimes. Or they ask a preposition question and they need to be told that the different prepositions actually mean different things.

tchrist

On SO, the highrep users regularly go through the delete queues. Here, nobody but me does.

So the last 50 things on the queue have me as a voter.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

01:33

I'll be honest, I was only barely aware of this feature at all until a few days ago.

tchrist

But I also go through the closed queue.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It’s ok.

Set it for last 30 days. That’s usually the best way.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Well, sometimes I feel like I should use my10k powers for good instead of nothing. But there is no real reward for doing so.

tchrist

Although in the last day can be interesting.

What sort of good do you mean?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist well, like deleting things that need deleting, etc.

tchrist

I know it isn’t actually true, but sometimes I feel like Reg does most of the work around here. I feel bad for him.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

01:35

I actually put effort into reaching 10k. It's hard because it takes time and there's such a long slog from 3k to 10k. I got bored lots of times and let it slide. But you need to post constantly in order to keep getting rep.

tchrist

So I try to help out as I can.

Yes, that’s right.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist Well, he does do a lot of work. It's totally obvious when he goes on vacation.

tchrist

Your rep graph looks totally different from mine.

You did a lot a long time ago,

I did nothing for like more than a year.

Oh wait, I’m looking at your SO account.

Well, it still doesn’t look like mine, but I see what you mean now.

Mine is still a lot more bunched up than yours, and still empty at the beginning.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Anyway, now that I've reached 10k I feel demoralized about using the site. I get no satisfaction about answering questions because most of the questions are so bad, or off-topic, or whatever. I spend all my time just voting to close. That gets dull, so then I don't visit the site.

So the review queues are useful in a way if I can easily find places that I need to act. But actually doing all that work just feels like work. And I don't need no stinkin' badges.

tchrist

Yes, I know quite what you mean.

Kindness-fatigue.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

01:41

esp when all my better answers get no attention whatsoever.

And I take it as a matter of principle to not rep-whore. Usually.

But enough bitching. I have to get going.

tchrist

At SO, I get about 1000–1500 of passive rep per month just out of existing. Here, not so much.

See ya.

I should think about supper, I suppose.

The only way we are ever going to get a huge whole lot of high rep users is by getting rid of GR closevotes.

Robusto

01:56

5

Q: If a question ends in the abbreviation of et cetera, do you still add the period before the question mark?

Example: How do I pay for the bananas, oranges, etc.? or How do I pay for the bananas, oranges, etc?

punctuation period question-mark

Before you go ...

Clean-up on aisle "Not that again!"

tchrist

I was listening to the "debates".

Mahnax

02:15

I haven't been around much lately, and now I find out that ELL has been closed?

crosses arms, glares at RC

tchrist

You can look at the mumbles about it over in the other room.

Mahnax

The summit room?

tchrist

Right.

Journeyman Geek

02:44

@tchrist: I was earlier ;p

tchrist

Eh?

Journeyman Geek

Listening to the debates

tchrist

Ah.

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A: US English — "primary grains being produced" vs. "major cereals being produced"

First, the grains are a back door input to the front door output of cereal produce, albeit that it is indirect as respects livestock feed. So, to highlight statistically significant produce output most concisely, be it Spanish or English, the descriptive coupling of adjective to noun--viz, "cerea...

Boggle. It is really unreadable.

tchrist

03:16

Back so soon?

Andrew Grimm

07:47

english.blogoverflow.com/2012/10/… is closed to comments, and it was posted only two days ago. Are blog posts not open to comments at all?

I assumed "begging the question" in english.blogoverflow.com/2012/10/… was meant to be an example of bad English. Apparently not?

Matt Эллен

08:19

Oh right, I was meant to look into that.

@AndrewGrimm I've activated comments. I'm not sure how they got turned off.

@AndrewGrimm I'm not sure what you're getting at

also, if you wish to discuss the blog:

EL&U Blog

Discussion for the EL&U Blog. For more info see meta.english.s...

Andrew Grimm

08:48

@MattЭллен begthequestion.info

Matt Эллен

right... so you're a prescriptivist then ;)

David Wallace

09:35

@MattЭллен It's not called being a prescriptivist; it's called being right. I'm with @Andrew on this one; I feel you've used that phrase incorrectly.

Matt Эллен

a) I published it, and agree with it, but did not write it. b) prescriptivism vs descriptivism has as much to do with semantics as with syntax and grammar.

David Wallace

Oh sorry, I thought you were the author.

Matt Эллен

no worries :)

@DavidWallace I have enabled comments on it, should you want to discuss it with Cameron. He might actually have made a mistake. It seems OK to me.

David Wallace

OK, thanks.

KitFox

11:08

@AndrewGrimm Oh, I had thought that too.

I was going to point it out, but I wasn't sure if it was a joke.

Journeyman Geek

Does anyone outside india use language like that? ;p

KitFox

Like what?

Journeyman Geek

'begging the question'

seems very... wren and martin

KitFox

I use the phrase occasionally. Correctly, I might add.

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Andrew Grimm

@JourneymanGeek People trying to look impressive.

RegDwighт

11:11

What you mean, trying?

KitFox

I might also mention that I use it when I'm trying to look impressive.

RegDwighт

I always just look impressive.

KitFox

Well, naturally. You're an owl. Comes with the feathers.

RegDwighт

Right now is but one instance.

Matt Эллен

I use it subject to being in the presence of beggars

RegDwighт

11:12

Bag your pardon.

Matt Эллен

paper or plastic?

KitFox

plastique, but it will take some time to cook.

Journeyman Geek

@KitFox And he dosen't give a hoot.

Matt Эллен

I'll give it a try, but don't blame me if it kills us all

Robusto

11:32

and yet, there is a precedent for this pattern within the network already: mathoverflow.net is for graduate level and above math problems, and math.stackexchange.com is for everything else. Math seems as basic and fundamental a topic as English to me, and can support a similar split. — Jeff Atwood 2 hours ago

Check it out. We are getting support from an odd quarter.

RegDwighт

At first I was like,

But then I was like,

I even shaved myself, so much surprised I was.

Hmobius

Just thought I would say hello from a newcomer to your site

Chris

Could 'that' be omitted if I was to say 'the court established (that?) his rights were violated'?

RegDwighт

11:48

@Hmobius hi and welcome.

@Chris yes.

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Q: Are there rules about using "that" to join two clauses?

He will understand that I was not joking. He will understand I was not joking. Which of the sentences is correct? Are there any specific rules about the use of "that" in the sentences I reported as example?

grammaticality conjunctions complex-sentences

Robusto

11:59

@Chris Informally and in simple sentences, yes, but if you want to be absolutely clear, as in a legal document, do not omit the that.

@RegDwighт Hirsute yourself. Or not.

RegDwighт

"Or not" has always been my strongest hirsute.

Robusto

It is pure gold. Or not.

RegDwighт

Note how fromage is gold backwards. Plus some random letters. It's really not pure at all.

Robusto

Note how fromage is a portmanteau: from and age stuck together. The French were trying to express how fine cheese must be aged, obviously.

KitFox

So...we should have an englishoverflow.com?

Robusto

12:04

Just call it Pineapple Express. Catchier.

KitFox

What's that, maybe glossolalia.com?

Robusto

Pineapple Express (film)

Pineapple Express is a 2008 American stoner action comedy directed by David Gordon Green, written by Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg and starring Rogen and James Franco. Producer Judd Apatow, who previously worked with Rogen and Goldberg on Knocked Up and Superbad, assisted in developing the story, which was partially inspired by the buddy comedy subgenre. The film was released on August 6, 2008. Franco was nominated for a Golden Globe award for his performance in the film. Plot Dale Denton (Seth Rogen) is a 25-year-old process server who witnesses the dangerous drug lord, Ted Jones (Gary Co...

KitFox

claps hands because she got to use glossolalia in a sentence

Robusto

You don't use glossolalia. Glossolalia uses you.

KitFox

I love that word. It's one of my favorites.

Robusto

12:06

But you'll agree it's bigger than any one person. You need help to heft it.

KitFox

Hey, someone needs to suspend Norton for low quality...oh. Never mind.

@Robusto Oh, sure.

And coffee.

RegDwighт

@Robusto nonono. "Fromm" is German for "pious, docile". With fromage, the French really wanted to convey that they are old, submissive, and can't spell German correctly.

KitFox

brb

Robusto

@KitFox Norton Antivirus has already been suspended. From my machines, anyway.

KitFox

I hate that garbage.

Always messing with my stuffs.

Matt Эллен

12:08

are you dressed appropriately to get coffee today, @Kit?

KitFox

Yes! Uh, except for my slippers.

Matt Эллен

:D

KitFox

But if I don't notice them no one else will.

makes note to steal more sugar packets

really brb

RegDwighт

@Robusto express? Shirley you jest. A regional train at best.

Robusto

Don't call me Shirley.

RegDwighт

12:09

Too late.

Matt Эллен

too unfinisher

RegDwighт

The name is taken.

Off it goes.

But it is precisely the kind of train I envisioned.

What do you call these anyhow?

Chris

@Robusto Thank you!

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт trains? we call them locomotives

Chris

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_locomotive I guess

rbdev

12:15

ohh ... nice photos :D

RegDwighт

Nah, I mean precisely this kind of toy train an adult barely fits in.

This one at least has tracks, but they often actually have tires and run on regular roads.

Matt Эллен

hmm

KitFox

A tram, maybe?

RegDwighт

A tram is a regular city train to me.

Street car.

Matt Эллен

yeah, SF has trams

Robusto

12:16

@RegDwighт My son called it a train when he was three. Also, choo-choo.

Matt Эллен

Sheffield has trams

RegDwighт

@Robusto yeah, something like that, a choo-choo. Exactly.

rbdev

park locomotive? :)

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт single-word-request!

KitFox

I think a tram is open like that.

RegDwighт

12:17

This is a tram.

Robusto

A tram is a combination of a train and a pram. Poifect for kids.

RegDwighт

@rbdev they do mainly drive around parks, yes. And if it's around an actual city, it's for tourist entertainment only.

KitFox

Damn. I can't think of the word for that. Surface-level subway cars. LV...something.

Matt Эллен

tranana - a combination of train and banana. perfect for monkeys

rbdev

@RegDwighт ohh, this is city transport from my country :)) this is tramcar/ or trolley car

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:19

hm, pram... I wonder if that's a good candidate for @Zairja 's elided words with new spellings

RegDwighт

@rbdev трамвай.

Robusto

@KitFox Streetcars.

rbdev

@RegDwighт i doesn't see any city with rail-roud around hole city area :(

@RegDwighт yeap, трамвай )

Matt Эллен

Sheffield super tram!

KitFox

@Robusto No, there's a different word. In Toronto.

@Mr.Shiny probably knows it.

Robusto

12:20

@KitFox Try Quebecois.SE

KitFox

Light transit?

RegDwighт

@MattЭллен wow, "Sheffield" and "super" in one sentence. My hat is off to you, sire.

KitFox

@Robusto Toronto is in Ontario.

Robusto

The bus?

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт lol

Robusto

12:21

@KitFox Ah, I thought you said Montreal. Wevs.

I used to go to Toronto a lot, when I was Yonge.

Matt Эллен

I used to go when I was Freud

KitFox

Ach. It's probably just streetcar. But in any case, my brain has "tram" firmly set as something with open sides.

Robusto

@KitFox A Streetcar Named "Retire"

KitFox

Toronto would have been so much better if I had been there with someone who wasn't an asshole.

Matt Эллен

San Francisco tram

KitFox

12:23

@MattЭллен That. Trolley, streetcar. Like a tram.

They were installing the light transit routes when I lived there. Light transit? Rapid transit? Gah! It was a electric car, and ran like above ground subway.

And it had some sort of acronym that was painted in the crossing lanes.

deep breath Let it go.

OK. Brain's OK now.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox In Toronto we call our street trais "streetcars" because it's a train-car that runs on the street. We also have new trains that are multi-car, which we call "Light Rail Transit". We also have an elevated light rail train called "Scarborough Rapid Transit". And we have subway trains.

RegDwighт

@KitFox so it doesn't fit the train in question. It looks completely different. Nobody would think of that choo-choo if they heard "tram".

@MattЭллен lies. SF trams are tilt like 25 degrees!

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes! Light Rail Transit. LRT.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт clearly the camera is at an angle

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт I'd call your pineapple train a "train". The fact that it's kid-size or skeumorphic doesn't matter much.

KitFox

12:27

@RegDwighт Um, yeah.

Sorry.

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 of course I can call it many things. I'm not asking how to get from that picture to a name. I am asking how to get from a name to that picture.

KitFox

Grand scale railway?

Ridable miniature railway

A ridable miniature railway (USA: 'riding railroad' or 'grand scale railroad') is a ground-level, large scale model railway that hauls passengers using locomotives that are models of full-sized railway locomotives (powered by diesel or petrol engines, live steam engines or electric motors). Overview Typically they have a rail track gauge between and , though both larger and smaller gauges are used. These large model railroads are most often seen in urban parks or in commercial settings, such as amusement park rides. The major distinction between a miniature railway and a narrow gau...

RegDwighт

Awesome.

So RMR.

Pineapple RMR. That has a ringer ring to it than ELL.

KitFox

Yes. Yes!

Matt Эллен

:D

KitFox

12:31

Frig. Meeting prep. Laters.

tchrist

Rack railway

A rack-and-pinion railway (also rack railway, cog railway) is a railway with a toothed rack rail, usually between the running rails. The trains are fitted with one or more cog wheels or pinions that mesh with this rack rail. This allows the trains to operate on steep grades above 7%, which is the maximum for adhesion-based rail. Most rack railways are mountain railways, although a few are transit railways or tramways built to overcome a steep gradient in an urban environment. The first cog railway was the Middleton Railway between Middleton and Leeds in West Yorkshire, England, UK, ...

Matt Эллен

0

Q: Prices Start From, At

Prices start (from / at) $1000. Should it be from or at?

grammar

tchrist

The first photo is of the one on Pike's Peak above Colorado Springs, Colorado.

People who live with several kinds of "rail" car normally assign separate names to each kind of line, while people who do not live with more than one type around them seem to call all of them the same thing.

rbdev

"rmr" looks like a description, not a short understandable name :)

RegDwighт

Understandable was never a requirement that was allowed to enter the building.

tchrist

12:35

As I have found out the hard way, taking the wrong sort because my names didn't map to their names.

And not just once. :(

It even happened in other countries, not just in North America — although it happened there, too.

Damned YANCkees.

KitFox

@MattЭллен Why doesn't he get tired of it?

Matt Эллен

@KitFox good question. maybe because he knows we are?

Robusto

I don't exactly like ridable. Sounds like it's meant to be gotten rid of.

RegDwighт

Not meant to, just able to.

tchrist

@KitFox Isn’t it the mark of a nutter to keep doing the same things over and over again, but expecting to get a different answer?

KitFox

12:39

@tchrist I don't think that applies here.

tchrist

@KitFox You’re right; perhaps we’re his science experiment. :)

RegDwighт

That IP-to-Google-Maps thingamajig is really handy. Perhaps I should ask my daddy to nuke him from orbit. Anybody care about California?

rbdev

@tchrist don't worry about this, i live in russia and i'm natively russian guy, but i also can't map some words with easy description :D

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт hmmm. california... I can't think of any important Internet resources there. Got for it!

tchrist

@RegDwighт Plate tectonics obviously doesn’t.

rbdev

12:42

@tchrist and sometimes i can't understand description, or word :D it's okay

tchrist

@rbdev It’s a problem of local usage being, well, local.

RegDwighт

@tchrist it's St. Andrea's fault.

tchrist

The bitch.

Matt Эллен

that awkward moment when you're alone at the water cooler, doing a little dance and someone comes into view

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Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

... and stuffs a $20 in your belt

RegDwighт

12:44

Moment? I like my shows to last.

Matt Эллен

lol

Robusto

We had an earthquake here last night. It shook the house for about 10 seconds.

skullpatrol

hi @cornbreadninja

cornbread ninja

@skullpatrol howdy

Matt Эллен

@Robusto no serious damage, I hope?

Robusto

12:47

@KitFox: The quake's epicenter was in Maine. Did you feel it?

@MattЭллен None at all. Only about a 4.0. But it sounded like a huge truck going by and everything shook.

cornbread ninja

[marrakeshexpress.jpg]

FumbleFingers

@RegDwighт What's the rationale for closing “Prices start from” vs. “prices start at”

tchrist

Does anybody find that question tags are far, far less useful for making favorites or ignoreds here on ELU compared with SO or most other SE sites?

@Robusto Are you by the coast or up in the “hills”?

Matt Эллен

yes, I don't have any (with the exception of dating-advice so that I don't get any selected for me by the system)

Journeyman Geek

lol

Robusto

12:51

@tchrist I'm about 2 miles from "the rude bridge that arched the flood."

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

most of our tags are not that useful.

Robusto

About 5 miles from Walden Pond.

tchrist

Oh, that’s nice, then.

Or was.

Robusto

Is.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why is that?

@Robusto Good to hear.

My open question on tag usefulness is genuinely inquisitive.

I don’t have any answers to it myself.

And I wonder.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

12:59

@tchrist Because askers have no clue how to tag a system. On SO the bar for even asking a useful question is higher, and anyway people at least know the programming language they are discussing. Here that language is "english"; that's the obvious tag to tag everything with. Half the time they don't know the parts of speech, not even the basic ones, and anyway what good would a tag called "nouns" be?

We have a "words" tag, for crying out loud.

Matt Эллен

nouns

855 uses, I'm not sure if uses is proportional to usefulness

RegDwighт

@FumbleFingers people flagged the shit out of it asking for prompt closure and deletion. Plus we delete all stuff of Nortonn's that doesn't have upvoted answers.

Don't look at me, I have left a lot of his crap open after editing it into shape.

But it got closed and/or deleted anyway.

And I'm too busy now to keep checking on flags every three minutes.

Robusto

@tchrist That's true, isn't it?

RegDwighт

Just wait till you get Generalist, then you can ignore all tags.

Actually go ignore all tags right now because you'll be getting Generalist anyway.

Matt Эллен

6 tags to go and we get the badge!

well, those who are eligible

Robusto

13:20

@RegDwighт Hmm, why I not have that badge? Why no one has it?

RegDwighт

Because the top 40 tags must have 200+ questions each.

I already did some heavy searching and retagging last week. We're very close now.

Robusto

Well, well, well.

Matt Эллен

Wellity wellity wellity

Robusto

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Q: Islam: Would foreign-language questions be permissible?

Proposal: Islam Given that a large portion of the site's target demographic probably do not speak English as a first language, would questions/answers in other languages (e.g., Urdu, Hindi, Arabic) be accepted?

culture languages

Impermissible? Heresy, I say!

tchrist

Is this how one should answer GR questions?

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A: Difference between "opacity" and "opaqueness"

The difference between the two is more one of actual use than one of nuance. For simple meaning, the OED provides: opaqueness — the quality of being opaque; opacity. opacity — The quality or fact of being opaque; opaqueness. The earliest citation given for opaqueness in English is...

Or should I have close- and/or down-voted it instead?

Robusto

13:26

That's one way.

tchrist

@Robusto That <ISLAMOCENSORED> don’t hunt.

@Robusto Does it make ELU “better”, either in content or friendliness? Yes and yes. Is it wrong? I don’t know. Is it going to happen very often? Absolutely not: it takes about 1000× more work than negavoting.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

13:43

@tchrist This question is a good example of something that's both GR and not GR. On one hand, there are dictionary definitions that position the two words as synonyms. So the answer is "there is no difference". Or "Opacity is a synonym for opaqueness" but not necessarily vice-versa. But then the real difference is usage, which isn't clear from the dictionary.

tchrist

People are lazy.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So in that case your answer is worth posting and beneficial to the user beyond the simple dictionary GR answer.

tchrist

Both querents, and respondents.

The querent doesn’t do any research.

Matt Эллен

you could say the opaqueness of the dictionary definition obscures the real usage of the words

tchrist

The respondents don’t do any writing.

And so like calls to like.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

13:45

So what's your position? questions like that one should be answered? or closed? or ignored, if you're lazy?

Did you answer it as an experiment in site psychology? :)

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Absolutely.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The thing is, your answer demonstrates that it isn't exactly GR. The main point of your answer is about something that's not in a dictionary.

tchrist

All of this is very subjective. And will always remain so. It is challenging to present a subjective position as more “right” than some other one.

But ngrams certainly help. :)

Just a popularity contest, really, which proves nothing.

Just looks flashy.

I feel somewhat unclean.

skullpatrol

I believe it would be better to distinguish between the suffixes of -ness and -ity.

Matt Эллен

and -tude

tchrist

13:49

-city is not a suffix.

-ity is the suffix.

That’s like saying -ked is a suffix.

panicked, picnicked, havockers, bivouacked, musicked, demosaïcked, magicked

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@skullpatrol That would be a different question. Anyway the supposed meaning of an affix doesn't necessarily reflect on the current meaning and usage of a word.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not much, at least. Down that road may (or may not) lie the Etymological Fallacy.

Which may or may not lie.

skullpatrol

Well there is a dog and there is dogness.

tchrist

mimicked, physicked, frolicked, politicked, shellacked, trafficked

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 this is not the first time we are having this discussion, or perhaps observation. Whether or not a question is GR can change depending on what kind of answers it gets.

tchrist

13:55

@RegDwighт autostuns

Matt Эллен

speak of the demon dog

tchrist

Hablando del rey de Roma

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт I don't think the question's GR-ness changes because of how it was answered. I think it was always non-GR, only, it looks GR. And crucially, non-expert users might not know that it isn't GR, and vote to close.

Security researcher claims to be able to shut off, reprogram pacemakers anonymously from 30 feet away

Matt Эллен

why have they been doing that! I knew you couldn't trust security "researchers"

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, yeah. But you can say that about any question. I myself have tried to turn despite vs. despite of, pricey vs. pricy, alright vs. all right into non-GR. But again, I did that not by editing the question. The questions, at face value, are all still GR.

The OPs did zero research themselves. Zilch.

skullpatrol

13:59

@MattЭллен Is it the demonity or the demoness of the the dog?

Cerberus

Well done.

@MattЭллен Speak of the demon head.

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