Zendo

fabric
missy
slingshot
tweeted
hooted
sissy
book +
starvation
weird
arpeggiation
leak
speak
prompts
peak
wee
anger +
hissy
loud +
slate +
ate +
tea

cloth
roost *
pizza
abacus
rubric
onomatopoeia
mastic
fibre
cacophonous
tanked
brr
noun *
trombone
tacked
hummer
random
catapult
bookkeeper
twitter
lily
fingerplate
yearbook
leek
painful
car
ignorance
out
denial
wax
stab
seek
steal *
stolen
idiotic
bargaining

* starred words are false for being too true
+ plussed words are true, but the reason might not be as obvious

dcfyj

2:11 PM

pass

John Dvorak

so, tea is obviously true but ate isn't so obvious?

Sid

Holy.... That game is still going on?

Sp3000

"tea" is much more obvious as to why it's true than "ate"

dcfyj

@Sid this rule is apparently very obscure

John Dvorak

clearly

dcfyj

2:13 PM

We need @Deusovi!

Or @GarethMcCaughan!

ASCII-only

Nah

dcfyj

your turn @ASCII-only

ASCII-only

master: guilt

Sp3000

guilt is true

dcfyj

What's messed up is that I'm right 90%+ of the time...

ASCII-only

2:15 PM

@as4s4hetic I don't think it means what you think it means

What.

Did I just get another one

yup

Lol pass

mondo sweat true

true

@ASCII-only I know, people often call me out for using it in that way

true

John Dvorak

2:16 PM

@as4s4hetic then stop

true

@JohnDvorak ok ok

true

sweat is true

(stones updated)

2:18 PM

pass

dcfyj

We're collecting stones to not use them apparently lol

Rubio

if I had even the slightest hint of a rule that comes close to working on these word sets, I'd happily use mine

Yes

master sting

sting is false

2:19 PM

The more words for me then I'm gonna start using stones

pass

master: berate

berate is false

pass

mondo sate true

2:21 PM

true

true

true

false

This is getting ridiculous

Sp3000

sate is false (for being too true, though not nearly as obvious as to why)

John Dvorak

2:22 PM

WAT

dcfyj

guess: All words are arbitrarily true or false (lol)

Rubio

(stones updated)

Sp3000

Is that an actual guess? :P

dcfyj

yes lol

as4s4hetic

wait

how do you disprove that

dcfyj

2:24 PM

exactly

Sp3000

Counterexample: steadfastness is true, not arbitrarily

John Dvorak

exactly

Rubio

(stones updated)

dcfyj

@Sp3000 I don't know if I believe that :P

Sid

@dcfyj LOL.

ppperry

2:25 PM

may I join?

dcfyj

go for it
pass

wow, 2+ hours...

John Dvorak

Hop in. You've come for a wild ride.

dcfyj

Good timing since I just had my turn

ppperry

master: siss

dcfyj

huh, never heard of that word

ppperry

2:26 PM

(siss is a word in the dictionary)

dcfyj

it's sowpods valid thoug

Sid

Like I said, this thing can get too long.

Sp3000

siss is true

Turn order: ASCII-only, John, as4, Rubio, dcfyj, ppperry, Deus

@ASCII-only Your turn

John Dvorak

autopass, no stones

ASCII-only

master: depression

dcfyj

2:28 PM

@JohnDvorak was about to say that :P

Sp3000

depression is false

John Dvorak

which sounds super-weird :P

dcfyj

he didn't pass

John Dvorak

hey!

it's my turn when @ASCII-only passes

ASCII-only

Pass

John Dvorak

2:29 PM

mondo sis true

ASCII-only

true

dcfyj

@JohnDvorak that too

false

drat

false

true

2:30 PM

@JohnDvorak lol, I don't know the rule, remember?

John Dvorak

@dcfyj citation-needed

Sp3000

@ppperry Guess true/false for "sis"?

ppperry

false

Sp3000

sis is false

Rubio

(stones updated)

john didn't pass

John Dvorak

2:32 PM

hold on, darling

dcfyj

@as4s4hetic eager?

John Dvorak

guess: the rule can be recognized by an oracle created by forwarding all guesses to DCFYJ and forwarding his replies as oracle output

dcfyj

lmao

Sp3000

Wait what

John Dvorak

have fun generating counter-examples :P

Sid

2:33 PM

This is so much fun. Poor Sp3000.

Sp3000

Can I just give a true example? :P

dcfyj

It would have to disprove the rule

Sp3000

D: how do I even

dcfyj

Just put the word and we'll see

John Dvorak

If you can't find a case where this rule doesn't follow, it's assumed I won

dcfyj

2:34 PM

yup

ppperry

13 mins ago, by dcfyj

mondo sate true

dcfyj

(Which is what I was trying with my rule)

ppperry

(later)

12 mins ago, by Sp3000

sate is false (for being too true, though not nearly as obvious as to why)

Sp3000

So if I've got this right... keep sending words, dc guess until they get one wrong then it's disproven?

dcfyj

@ppperry I've been right 90%+ of the time

John Dvorak

2:35 PM

@ppperry Hey, don't help him :P

dcfyj

@Sp3000 That's my understanding

ppperry

but it still provides a counterexample

Sp3000

For dc: impatient

dcfyj

false

Sp3000

impatient is true

ASCII-only

2:36 PM

@ppperry you mean multiple

Rubio

boom

dcfyj

(This could've been entertaining)

ppperry

multiple what?

dcfyj

Funny thing, it occured to me that it might be true lol

John Dvorak

ah, rule fuined

ASCII-only

2:36 PM

@ppperry counterexamples

ppperry

why

I only provided one guess history

Rubio

(stones updated)

dcfyj

I was wrong before sate

Sp3000

fabric
missy
slingshot
tweeted
hooted
sissy
book +
starvation
weird
arpeggiation
leak
speak
prompts
peak
wee
anger +
hissy
loud +
slate +
ate +
tea
guilt
sweat
steadfastness
siss
impatient

cloth
roost *+
pizza
abacus
rubric
onomatopoeia
mastic
fibre
cacophonous
tanked
brr
noun *
trombone
tacked
hummer
random
catapult
bookkeeper
twitter
lily
fingerplate
yearbook
leek
painful
car
ignorance
out
denial
wax
stab
seek
steal *+
stolen
idiotic
bargaining
sting
berate
sate *+
depression
sis

* starred words are false for being too true

(summary - slight tweak in notation for + )

John Dvorak

Oh boy.

Rubio

2:39 PM

still john's to pass

dcfyj

Too bad supercalifragilisticexpialidocious isn't in SOWPODS :P

Sp3000

I think John's trying to tie the phase of the moon in the next guess somehow

John Dvorak

oh, right, I haven't yet. Pass

I thought I prepassed. Sorry.

Sp3000

I'm going to assume @as4 wanted cyst

as4s4hetic

yes

Sp3000

2:41 PM

cyst is false

dcfyj

considering how many times he put it down

as4s4hetic

oh drat

pass

John Dvorak

g2g in 20 minutes, may rejoin in three hours so keep my score around

as4s4hetic

well... I haven't got a single idea left and kinda sleepy

Sp3000

I dunno if I'll be around in three hours :P

dcfyj

2:42 PM

"in three hours" lol

Rubio

this is silly.

dcfyj

Are we allowed to guess words we don't know?

John Dvorak

What happens if the master is too tired to continue? Do they OTS someone the rule?

as4s4hetic

I'm going to bed, I hope this gets solved by tomorrow morning

nighty night

John Dvorak

@dcfyj as long as it's in SOWPODS

Rubio

2:43 PM

it's 9:42am for me, and I am hoping it gets solved by tomorrow morning

Sp3000

If it's not a valid SOWPODS word, I'll say

Rubio

master: silly

dcfyj

@Rubio lol, same

+ 1 hour

Sp3000

silly is true

Rubio

pass

dcfyj

2:44 PM

master: oxyphenbutazone

Business Cat

This is getting ridiculous

ppperry

agree

dcfyj

getting?

Sp3000

oxyphenbutazone is false

dcfyj

it's been there for a while

Rubio

2:45 PM

whatever this rule is, I'm going to make a "What is a ... Word™" puzzle out of it, i swear

Sid

@Sp3000 I think it is time you reveal the rule.

dcfyj

guess: true words are from a predetermined list that sp3k has, false words are not

Sid

This isn't going anywhere.

ASCII-only

<- still making lists with guesses

John Dvorak

If there's a reveal, I want to see it

<- deleted his log already

Sp3000

2:46 PM

If it helps - everyone here can ask a single true/false question. If I can't answer it or the answer is "maybe", I'll ask you to give me another question.

ASCII-only

@dcfyj nope, then the asterisks and plusses wouldn't be there

@Sp3000 :(

dcfyj

@ASCII-only not necessarily :P

ASCII-only

Here's an alternative: teamwork time

Rubio

-> The rule is based on pronunciation.

John Dvorak

Disproven with leak/leek

dcfyj

2:48 PM

3k needs to counter my guess with an example

Sp3000

I don't think I can prove that I don't have a list ready :P (which I don't, not a complete list pre-generated anyway)

dcfyj

So you can't disprove it?

Business Cat

Can I participate in the discussion even though I wasn't playing

John Dvorak

How does the actual game prevents guesses like this?

Sp3000

@Rubio Should I answer this considering John's comment?

ASCII-only

2:49 PM

@BusinessCat yes

dcfyj

no idea, but this rule of his...

Rubio

@JohnDvorak probably by the master slapping the guesser with a ruler

2

@Sp3000 no

dcfyj

@Rubio lol

John Dvorak

We could do the same in reverse :P

Rubio

ouch lol

Business Cat

2:50 PM

what I don't understand is the "too true" business

John Dvorak

ten minutes before I leave. Ten minutes to reveal.

dcfyj

I don't understand any of it, but I seem to be fairly reliable in knowing correctly whether or not it's true/false

Rubio

well. sp3k gave us each a true/false question to ask. any ideas what to ask?

dcfyj

@Sp3000 So you can't disprove my guess?

Business Cat

Well is it based on pronunciation or spelling what be a decent start

dcfyj

2:51 PM

@BusinessCat obviously not the former

ASCII-only

@Rubio can everyone here tell of a word is true or not mentally

Rubio

pronunciation is a no, as John pointed out

Business Cat

True...

dcfyj

I doubt the latter

Sp3000

@dcfyj Well technically if I pre-generated it now then I would have a predetermined list, since there's only a finite number of words. But I don't have such a file right now.

John Dvorak

2:53 PM

7

Rubio

ok whatever. let's try to use our T/F questions.

Sp3000

(Bold your T/F questions to confirm asking)

dcfyj

have at it, pass

Rubio

@Sp3000 The rule is based on the letters and their ordering within the word, and/or within the alphabet, only; no A1Z26 scores, no semantic meaning of the word, etc.

(fixed)

Sp3000

@Rubio False

Rubio

2:56 PM

well that should give some fuel for further questions.

John Dvorak

@Sp3000 The letters can be grouped into a small set of categories (max. 5) and the rule then decided based on the letter categories alone

Sp3000

@JohnDvorak False

(I should probably not ping here, eh. Oops)

dcfyj