Zendo

ab is false

7:02 PM

Mondo aa, true, pass

true

true

True

false

aa is true

7:05 PM

Well, I have no clue

master: ae

yeah i'm stumped atm

ae is true

pass

Master: jk

Are these even words

7:09 PM

is jk a word?

Not in SOWPODS

I sppse txtspk dsn cnt

not rly no :)

Master: drake

drake is false

7:13 PM

Master: various

various is false

Master: am

am is true

pass

Master opulent

Pass

7:16 PM

opulent is false

mondo: ogle false pass

true

True

False

false

7:18 PM

ogle is true

Master: ichthyoacanthotoxism

ichthyoacanthotoxism is false

(pass)

What's that?

Meh

7:20 PM

@JohnDvorak poisoning by the sting or bite of a fish

Master: phthisis

As long as we're using weird words

phthisis is false +

+?

O_o

Master: um

7:21 PM

I'm not explaining it ;)

(yet)

(but it is intentional then)

BC did not pass

(everyone has a stone, so no auto-passes)

pass sorry

BC never explicitly passed

ffao is "um" your guess (still) ?

7:23 PM

yes

and pass

um is false

Mondo google true

huh. actually sorry I was wrong, phthisis is just false

true

False

7:25 PM

Also, pass

false

true

google is true

master: fooling

pass

fooling is true

7:29 PM

Mondo: swing

False

Pass

False

false

false

false

swing is false

7:30 PM

Master: feeling

feeling is true

Interesting

@BusinessCat pass?

Yes sorry

master: an

pass

7:33 PM

an is true

True:
ogre
onion
opening
anion
many
forty
eight
aa
ae
am
ogle
google
fooling
feeling
an

False:
layers
shrek
union
oboe
occult
friendship
actor
donkey
fourteen
about
ab
drake
various
opulent
ichthyoacanthotoxism
phthisis
um
swing

Master hollow

Pass

hollow is false

Mondo: subdue false

Sid

Another loooong game?

True

7:35 PM

false completely random guess

true

I'm finally at home. Time to start thinking.

@BusinessCat your guess?

true

subdue is false

guess: a koan is budda-like if it does not contain the letters s, u, b, d, or w.

7:39 PM

counterexample: klaxon is false

guess: a koan is budda-like if it does not contain the letters s, u, b, d, w, or x.

counterexample: mad is true

pass

if madder is false then it contains d?

hang on sorry

7:41 PM

unpass ;)

fixed

ah ok yeah I'll pass on that

Master: quagmire

but since I gave it, i'll give it again: madder is false +

quagmire is false

Pass

7:43 PM

Master: pizza

pass

That plus scares me

pizza is false +

I can't think of any rules that would have plusses atm

1 hour - you each get a T/F question

lol, nice new ad-hoc rule

7:45 PM

does validating the rule require an external resource such as a word list?

that's not T/F heh

how so?

that's yes/no. but anyway

oh.

T/F: The inclusion of any particular letter necessarily makes the koan false

7:46 PM

But a yes/no question is closer to the requirement than a true/false statement

John's question - technically, no external resource is needed. (but it makes it easier.)

Morgan - TRUE, there is at least one particular letter which necessarily makes the koan false

T/F: Whether a koan is true or not has nothing to do with the order of the letters, only what letters are in the koan.

BC - TRUE

T/F: You can check that the koan is true just by glancing at it for a few moments

ffao - TRUEish.

"a few" may be, say, 30 seconds.

@mith still has a question. it is ffao's turn.

7:52 PM

Had to go take some medication, sorry

well, I'll just move along, Mith can ask his question in parallel

Master: as

and pass

as is false

mondo grabber, false, skip

False

false

7:55 PM

true

T/F: There is more than one letter that will automatically make the clue false.

True

Mith - TRUE

grabber is false

mondo awesome false

true

7:57 PM

True

false

False

awesome is false

guess: a koan is budda-like if it does not contain the letters s, u, b, w, k, or z

counterexample: qat is false

7:59 PM

Out for lunch

oops didn't mean to edit

guess: a koan is budda-like if it does not contain the letters s, u, b, w, k, z or q

counterexample: clone is false

filk contains k

oh i can't read

fixed

guess: a koan is budda-like if it does not contain the letters s, u, b, w, k, z, or c.

let me know if this gets annoying. I'm not trying to be annoying, just trying to find the pattern

8:04 PM

counterexample: joey is false

You're allowed to guess as long as you have stones

guess: a koan is budda-like if it does not contain the letters s, u, b, w, k, z, c, or j.

I'm starting to think this has something to do with scrabble letter scores

that reminds me of the answer I got

external resources help but are not needed

That's what I thought but it's weird that aa and ae are true but as is false

scrabble score + numerical score(a=1, b=2, b=3)?

seems too convoluted though

8:07 PM

The rule is not simply "does not contain ..." because mad is true but madder isn't

^

because r?

(also, you lost a "q" from your list, for those keeping track at home)

ah crap didn't mean to do that

I have to step out for a few minutes

8:09 PM

If it has anything to do with scrabble I have no chance, never played it

anyway. morgan you have two stones left, or can pass.

you didn't answer my last guess

For free I'll tell you it has nothing to do with Scrabble beyond them being words.

oh - heh. sorry my bad

unless you're taking it at face value and thus 'qat' is a counterexample

nah. I'm going to assume the invisible "q" is there.

8:11 PM

thanks

and i'll pass after, regardless

counterexample: never is false

pass

Master: ploy

ploy is true

(pass)

8:13 PM

cat is AFK

ffao?

17 mins ago, by ffao

Out for lunch

mondo subway, false, pass

false

@mith ?

8:20 PM

False

subway is false

mondo ploys false pass

(getting ready for bed, slow to reply)

false

True

8:21 PM

same here, getting tired

ploys is false

Mondo: plays

False

false

Pass

false

8:22 PM

plays is false

@BusinessCat @ffao say something when you return, please.

mondo master, false

false

pass

False

master is false

8:25 PM

mondo play true pass

true

False

play is true

Master: extraterrestrial

(pass)

extraterrestrial is false

8:27 PM

master rat

rat is true

then pass

mondo lay true pass

True

true

8:29 PM

lay is true

Mondo: alpha

true

False

(pass)

true

alpha is true

8:30 PM

I'm off to bed, sorry

Welp.

master: in

in is true

I'm back now, for a bit

Mondo: aardvark

True

8:32 PM

false

(pass)

true

aardvark is false

Cat your turn

mondo: falling, true

8:33 PM

false

False

falling is false +

sorry, BC hasn't passed yet

pass

mondo inn false

8:35 PM

False

false

inn is true

pass

Welp.

Master: happy

happy is false +

+ are too exhausted to be true

8:38 PM

too exhausted?!

Pass.

True:
ogre
onion
opening
anion
many
forty
eight
aa
ae
am
ogle
google
fooling
feeling
an
mad
ploy
play
rat
lay
alpha
in
inn

False:
layers
shrek
union
oboe
occult
friendship
actor
donkey
fourteen
about
ab
drake
various
opulent
ichthyoacanthotoxism
phthisis
um
swing
hollow
subdue
klaxon
madder +
quagmire
pizza +
as
grabber
awesome
qat
clone
joey
never
subway
ploys
plays
master
extraterrestrial
aardvark
falling +
happy +

+ are too exhausted to be true

master: lent

And I'll give you this for free. inning is false +

lent is true

Observation: all +s have double consonants.

8:40 PM

Oh, I was so stuck on the double letter thing that I've forgotten that it doesn't matter the order of the letters

But inn is true

Also that ^

2 hours: you each get another T/F question.

but BC has to pass first

pass

T/F There are calculations involved in determining whether it meets the rule.

FALSE

i'm thinking

BC's t/f was mine

8:43 PM

back

I assume everyone knows the rule by now

Hah.

T/F: Rubio is evil

(kidding)

TRUE, absolutely. :)

T/F The rule involves possible anagrams

TRUE

8:44 PM

interesting true answer, there

T/F: The rule can be completely described by whether it does not contain a small set of substrings (let's say less than 1000)

I'm not sure.

T/F: whether it is true or false depends on the number of anagrams inside the word

You can ask a different thing, I don't know if I can answer your question @ffao

Mith - FALSE

Well there goes my last resort idea.

T/F: only anagrams of the whole word are relevant when evaluating the koan

8:47 PM

FALSE

tell ya what, you're on the right track, sort of - trying to brute force the whole rule is going to be tedious and no fun

so I'll give you this instead, since you've sort of approached it but from the wrong way

The rule absolutely involves anagrams, but not of the word.

...

maybe something to do with adding a letter makes it a word?

7 mins ago, by ffao

I assume everyone knows the rule by now

(fixed)

or - changing one letter makes it a different word

8:53 PM

with that I'll give you all another T/F question, and hopefully that will get you there.

@MorganG union is false so no

ok.

T/F A word is true if adding letters to it produces something specific

heh

I'll go with FALSE

T/F The rule involves changing one or more letters in the word

FALSE

9:01 PM

I... don't see anything that can be anagrammed and is not the word

T/F The rule involves removing some letters from the word

FALSE

maybe all the words are sub anagrams of something else

idk what the technical term for it is but like anagram --> gram, arm, nag

^ seems like a good guess. :)

maybe of all the players usernames

no that's dumb

(I contemplated that, actually)

9:06 PM

I actually thought about that earlier but that looks like such a pain to check

we have that ogre, opening and mad are true, so if that is all sub-anagram of a thing that thing is almost the whole alphabet

so maybe a set of things

or a really long thing

It's 5 words and unless you're on mobile it's probably right in front of you. Between that and what else you've gotten, you should be able to suss it out.

it's @ffao's turn.

Sid

Can I take a guess or master?

you can join, you'd be after Cat though

Whose turn is it now

Sid

I have to go sleep now... so, don't want to join..

9:09 PM

@Rubio dggjjkk

All the really long words are false

um... ok just passing my turn

The longest true word is 8 letters

7 actually

(I'm sorry, keyboard mashes are difficult on mobile :P)

mondo golfing true

9:11 PM

true

True

true

golfing is true

pass

Master: gardening

9:12 PM

gardening is true

(pass)

Master: options

options is false

pass

Master: option

9:16 PM

option is true

guess: sub-anagrams of "for playing the game zendo"?

bingo.

throws shuriken at @rubio

gg. that was hard, but satisfying that we got it

...

9:18 PM

we got it after a fair bit of hinting xD

I hope Rubio expected this to be a hard game

Lion King - Can You Feel The Love Tonight

►

@ffao I didn't think it would be easy, no

but not Sp3k-hard. :)

Codenames, anyone?

I have to run an errand, but will be up for games in ~an hour

I'd prefer a game that doesn't take several hours long at the moment.

I'm on a meeting now so I'm out for a bit.

9:20 PM

I'm going shortly

I'm here now

This has been going all night for me and I wouldn't want it to stop now :P

I'm still here but it seems we don't have enough people anymore

@Mithrandir can you link me? I'm on mobile and it doesn't appear

Codenames

For playing the game Codenames. New players, see puzzling.meta...

So'm I

What've been the rules since ~~Jan~~ John did 1,4,9/1,2,3?

9:29 PM

Sp3k did a really long game for which the rule was "alternate letters form a word"

and Rubio did this really long game now

not sure if any others

Hey, I was planning to do sp's rule

There was a round where I did beard/hairy, with that intention, then realised I didn't have lots of time and it would have been too hard so I switched to 'Outside letters 2 apart'

Pairwise coprimes was the rule right before Rubio's