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5:01 PM
I'll just leave this here.
I always wonder why conductors or whatever they go by just spaz out up there. Does it do anything
@Rapitor I ask myself that question often.
Professional orchestras don't usually need timekeeping, more, stylistic cues (there's a beat somewhere in there usually too)
Q: How do perk decks work?

meme scientistI dont' understand how this even works? It just got updated so there's no more set bonuses. Can someone explain the full concept to me?

@TimStone I got Nisha's double pistol skill right after you left last night. It is awesome.
5:10 PM
I was pushing Athena a little too hard last night, heh
Tonight I wanna get to level 30 and start farming the secret boss
Got used to Wilhelm with Wolf and Saint
We shall kill all the things and it shall be glorious
And I shall find a better shield
I don't understand why you guys are playing video games when you could be reading instead.
You're a monster. Take your trees and go back to the forest.
@TimStone Yea, I had respecced into the melee tree to see if I liked it. I did not.
5:12 PM
The above is what my thought process has basically been since I tarted reading Mistborn.
@Wipqozn I read (listen) while I work.
@TimStone Your mom's a forest. Oh buuuurrnnn.
@Wipqozn It's a really good series.
I kind of want to spec into Claptrap's "blow up everything" tree
@Wipqozn That's how I was when I read the first book. Could not make it through the 2nd.
5:13 PM
@OrigamiRobot It works pretty well with Athena but I'm in the early stages of the relevant skills.
My bleed damage wasn't as effective with multiple people either
If only because the other tree reduces the odds that I'll pick "tank all of the damage and never die"
You were a tank, heh
@Yuuki I don't know if I should be disgusted or enticed.
(one of my skills, it randomly selects a health or shield subroutine, increasing regen and capacity. Health keeps health topped off, shields makes me a goddamn tank)
5:14 PM
@Yuuki what is that and can I eat it
Also that increased fire rate...My sniper rifle was like a SMG
In fact, if I go down, it's usually when it's on health
@Rapitor Apple pie.
With the apples cut into rose shapes.
Which was hilarious until I ran out of ammo continuously ;(
@TimStone Running out of ammo sucks
5:15 PM
Because I'm so used to the shield bonuses, which usually negates damage over time
@TimStone I regain ammo by melee-ing
Ah ha
@TimStone I need to find a better "team ammo regen" thing
0.6% isn't great
It's okay, but only for keeping things topped off between fights
I only get the double pistol bonus from the hip though.
I guess that's fine since scopes aren't that common with pistols.
@Chippies I'm going to take juggernaut, and see what he can do for me.
5:19 PM
and normal iron sights are useless
@MBraedley Disgusted.
@Wipqozn You just want more of the pie. NO! I will (begrudgingly) have my slice as well!
Trove is really fun.
Great, now I want pie.
5:25 PM
@TimStone Gun Wizard is one of my favorite VaultHunter.exe results
Thanks, Bridge!
@Frank You're welcome.
That reminds me, I need to get rid of the skill that adds the stupid bomb as a result
@Frank I aim to please.
@Unionhawk me too
@Unionhawk I don't understand this skill
5:27 PM
> While in Fight For Your Life, you draw aggro from nearby enemies. Unlocks the ACTION PACKAGE Clap-in-the-Box.
Drawing aggro while in fight for your life can be helpful alone with a shotgun, but isn't fantastic in practice.
The fact that if you fail to blow anything up you go down is the worst
Because otherwise it'd be an okay action package
Since it does a lot of damage
@Unionhawk That happens whether or not you draw aggro in Fight For Your Life, right?
Drawing aggro just makes it easier to shoot them since they're not running away, I thought.
@Yuuki The action package "Clap-in-the-Box" causes you to conjure a bomb. If you blow people up, you're fine, if not, you're dead.
5:31 PM
I've had that happen too many times in BL2. I'm in Fight For Your Life and then they all run away and I can't get Second Wind off of them.
And it's given that one to me when I used my action skill to top off health with no enemies around
So I'm just like "um, help I'm an idiot"
@Yuuki Yeah, it can be helpful, but the possibility of blowing myself up when using my action skill outweighs the usefulness, I feel
@Unionhawk lol wut
@OrigamiRobot Apparently dogs get confused by where a roomba stands in the social hierarchy of the household.
Or something
it's moving, there its alive. doesn't taste good. should maybe make it part of pack. doesn't respond to communications. wat do
dog thought process
Pretty much
@OrigamiRobot freaking loved that webcomic/blog/thing
We now accept DogeCoin! Just use the More Methods option when paying for a subscription. #FrankerZ http://t.co/PqvNJPpz5s
@Unionhawk Probably publicity stunt?
I mean, how many people will actually use DogeCoin for Twitch?
And secondly, in what way would accepting DogeCoin hurt their income/revenue?
5:46 PM
I'm more questioning "subway gift card" as a payment option, personally
@Unionhawk I suspect one of the employees is a /r/subredditdrama user and wanted to created /r/bitcoin drama.
@Wipqozn This seems likely.
@Unionhawk Wait, Twitch accepts Subway gift cards?
... huh?
I don't know
@Yuuki they must like cheap sandwiches too
5:51 PM
Yep. Apparently.
@Unionhawk RIP Twitch
I wouldn't say it's dead, but Twitch staff have done some stupid things lately.
Like allowing themselves to be purchased by Amazon?
I'm not going to touch the amazon thing
Most of the time (from what I've seen) when someone says they accept a cryptocurrency they are really going through a 3rd party to convert it to real money.
Like, they never actually receive non-money
5:53 PM
Yeah, that's probably what's going on, I think
It says it's "powered by some service"
So it's basically zero-risk for them
which I'm too lazy to look for
@OrigamiRobot I was so tempted to play devil's advocate and say "but bitcoin is money" but I just can't.
Money is anything someone else will accept in trade for a good or service.
Although, I suppose that's technically bartering.
I haven't heard anything about Story of Seasons lately.
But you hear stuff about Lost Valley all the time.
New partnership dropping the ball on marketing or something?
@Frank I think the difference is that money is fungible
6:03 PM
@murgatroid99 Like mushrooms?
@murgatroid99 And if enough people accept Bitcoin or Dogecoin, it, too, is fungible.
@Frank Fungible means "able to replace or be replaced by another identical item; mutually interchangeable."
I'm glad I was able to start an argument. I win.
It has nothing to do with how many people accept it
It just means that different bitcoins are equivalent
@murgatroid99 Okay. I had to look that word up as is, but Bitcoin is also fungible.
1 Bitcoin = 1 Bitcoin.
6:05 PM
@Frank Yes
They're all identical.
@Frank that's what I just said
So what's the difference, then?
@Frank That's my point
You've lost me.
6:06 PM
That's the difference between money and bartering
3 mins ago, by murgatroid99
@Frank I think the difference is that money is fungible
@murgatroid99 is talking about the difference between money and bartering
Damn, beat me to it
Okay. I am not confused anymore.
Best argument is the argument where both sides are having different arguments at the same time.
I'm not even sure this counts as an argument.
6:07 PM
My point is that, in my opinion, fungibility is the primary characteristic that makes something money or currency.
As opposed to bartering
having something survive as money also tends to involve a guaranteed consumer
which is something bitcoin money lacks
@murgatroid99 People still have to accept it on a wide scale for it to be commonly used.
@Frank I disagree.
@Frank It's a Bridge argument.
@Frank OK, I would just argue that that's orthogonal. Bitcoin may be a (currently) useless, unstable currency, but I'd still call it a currency
6:10 PM
@murgatroid99 Anything could be a currency, then, so long as you have multiples of the same thing.
"That will be 4 PS2s, please!"
Are MtG cards currency?
@OrigamiRobot I dunno; you're the expert on that.
@OrigamiRobot Only if you look at cards of the exact same grade and print
what differentiates bitcoins from WoW gold?
@murgatroid99 Those are just different denominations.
6:11 PM
@Sconibulus Is there a rule in WoW that you can't exchange gold for real world stuff? Because that would be important
I know such a rule exists in Runescape
I think there is a rule that is not followed
@OrigamiRobot But in order to be a currency there has to be some exact replaceable baseline amount.
@OrigamiRobot The problem is that a single unit (card) can change value, relative to other cards
Since individual cards can vary in quality and that affects their value, it makes for a not-exactly-accurate currency, which is bad.
Both because of demand for cards with that name, and because of degradation from use
6:13 PM
Oh, demand too, good point.
Currency should not be unstable relative to itself
@Chippies grab juggernaut. At lvl 5 he got me to a 20x normal damage boost in 20 minutes. (at 50 cps autoclicker)
Fine, MtG cards are ~10000 separate currencies.
If you define currency as anything of value that can be traded for said value, then everything is currency.
@OrigamiRobot More than that. You have to divide by expansion and grade too
It's more like 100,000 currencies, each of which has so few units that it's useless
6:14 PM
Bitcoin gets its value from demand.
@OrigamiRobot How many of my mangled basic lands do you want for your Black Lotus?
@OrigamiRobot But not relative to other bitcoins
@StrixVaria There is technically a proper conversion.
@OrigamiRobot There is also literally no one who would make that trade.
Because nobody wants to carry around 100,000 basic lands and try to sell them
6:15 PM
@StrixVaria Would you trade 100000000 pennies for 1 million dollars?
@OrigamiRobot But it would probably be converted to cash on both ends to figure it out, though.
Well, vice-versa I guess
@OrigamiRobot The thing is, that many pennies is 1 million dollars.
100,000 or however many basic lands is not a Black Lotus.
Right, but no one would do that
@StrixVaria 100,000 lands is better than a black lotus if you can play them all at once
6:16 PM
@StrixVaria In terms of value it is
@OrigamiRobot If you had 100,000 basic lands, you would not be able to find someone who was willing to give you a Black Lotus for it.
If you had 100 million pennies, you would be able to go to a bank, and spend all week counting pennies, and then get a pile of $100 bills of equal value.
Then that bank is losing money.
And if they made million dollar bills, you'd be able to get one of those.
@StrixVaria Or a number in a computer that says that you have 1,000,000 dollars
@OrigamiRobot wat
@murgatroid99 Right.
6:17 PM
@StrixVaria They lose money in the handling of those pennies
They'd do it because I'm pretty sure they're required to.
@OrigamiRobot That's independent of the actual accepted value of the pennies
In straight money changing transactions, yes, the bank loses money.
@Unionhawk Oh right, that's true of all such transactions
@murgatroid99 So is @StrixVaria's point that no one would trade basic lands for a lotus
Because there's always a non-zero handling cost
6:19 PM
I'm not disagreeing that no one would ever do that trade.
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I'm just saying that value-wise, there is a fair amount of lands for lotus
@OrigamiRobot I think there isn't, because at some point, basic lands have marginal negative value
If you have 10,000 basic lands, the next one does nothing but use up storage space
Also, I know we're talking about $0.10 lands, but there are some basic lands worth hundreds.
That's just a side note.
6:23 PM
@OrigamiRobot I was actually talking about $0.05 lands, but that's also not really important
@OrigamiRobot which ones, Zendikar?
I just threw $0.10 out there to make the point that we're talking about poop lands
Guru lands.
@Unionhawk yes but does it accept HATS
Guru Island is nearly $300
6:24 PM
@OrigamiRobot Wow
Foil Unhinged Island is nearly $100
@OrigamiRobot Wow. I have a few Unhinged lands, but no foils
@murgatroid99 want
@OrigamiRobot Wow, is it just rarity that drives up the price?
@Yuuki They're also full art cards
6:26 PM
@murgatroid99 Not gurus
@OrigamiRobot Why even list any price other than low?
Guru lands are just scarce.
@Yuuki "just" rarity?
Unhinged lands are full art and, IMO, the most beautiful lands ever.
6:27 PM
@OrigamiRobot I didn't look at the picture you linked closely. I thought it was the Unhinged prices
@badp I was thinking quality of art might have something to do with it.
@murgatroid99 that's worth 300$...?
@Rapitor No, that's ~$10
6:27 PM
3 mins ago, by Origami Robot
Foil Unhinged Island is nearly $100
Plus other miscellaneous factors.
@Yuuki Apparently quality of print and make does make a difference, but only within the same "rarity bracket"
@murgatroid99 ok 100. still pretty shocking
@Rapitor And that was a forest, not an island. And not foil
That's the $300 one
6:28 PM
Isn't there ever a worry about counterfeiting when things are this expensive?
(stuff like "how perfect are the corners" and "how even is the border")
@Yuuki Yes, there are tests.
@OrigamiRobot wtf. the first card looks better than that one.
3 mins ago, by Origami Robot
Guru lands are just scarce.
6:31 PM
@OrigamiRobot I actually do really like the art on this land.
shit doesn't make any sense. they all have the same function anyway
@Rapitor Lots of stuff is valuable even though it's useless.
That's the full guru cycle
@OrigamiRobot I like it less now.
Island is still the best.
No, swamp is best.
6:32 PM
Blue best Magic color.
this sounds like one of those old rumours from primary school: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/188890/…
Unhinged lands best lands.
i played red black back in the days. flexible death.
I always liked blue black
6:34 PM
I often played blue/black.
I experimented with blue/red but I could never find a balance that worked for me.
Red/green is literally the worst.
red green can do some pretty cool stuff
I would rather play any other combination of colors than red/green.
white green always seemed the worst to me
Even blue/white, stall city, is more fun than red/green.
depends on red. the goblin army and green support might be a good combination.
6:36 PM
I hereby dub those the "hipster" lands.
red and green token decks are awesome
Black/Green/White is best
Expensive and trendy but functionally equivalent to the common versions
@OrigamiRobot Would play.
For 3-color enemy-color decks, I like Black/Red/White, though.
Or any combination of those that involve black
@StrixVaria I have an EDH deck in these colors
It is great
6:37 PM
apropos playing. i'm looking for an another player to play the settlers of catan. now. pio.sourceforge.net/
So bad but so fun.
@StrixVaria That doesn't seem too bad for aggro
@StrixVaria Multiple combats are a thing
@murgatroid99 It's bad because it's hard to get out reliably, and it slows down your pace since you should probably just play another 4-drop big creature. It's probably fine in EDH, but it doesn't fit in normal 60-card decks usually.
It fits tokens best.
6:40 PM
@OrigamiRobot I have a Fervent Charge. It's yours if you visit me.
Or you could buy one for literally $0.15.
@StrixVaria Admittedly, I mostly play EDH and limited
@murgatroid99 I've never played EDH. It was invented after I stopped paying attention to MtG.
@Arperum I got the Juggernaut and now I can't stop clicking! HELP ME!
I usually played with casual decks with friends. None of us went for the crazy tournament archetypes because it was more fun to play longer games at the time.
@Chippies Can't help. have to click.
6:41 PM
is EDH another word for Commander?
@StrixVaria Yeah, that's actually been most of my play for a while
@Sconibulus yes
@Sconibulus yes
@Chippies Ctrl+W
I thought it was, but wasn't completely sure
@Sconibulus It's what it was called before Commander was official
6:42 PM
Speaking of EDH, why didn't C14 spoilers start this week?
I am upset.
Of course, "Elder Dragon Highlander" doesn't really fit the current rules any more
If I were going to make an EDH deck, I'd probably use Crosis as my legendary. It's one of the few legendary creatures I even own, and certainly the best-suited among those for EDH.
@Unionhawk Blasphemy!
@StrixVaria That could be pretty devestating
@StrixVaria Crosis is ok. Rith is probably the best of that cycle.
6:44 PM
@Chippies I closed Kittens last week, and I have never felt so free in my life.
@OrigamiRobot Yes. The one that makes Saprolings is insane.
It grows exponentially.
The dominarian dragons that have you choose a color are tricky because EDH is typically a multicolor format.
Crosis is one of the better ones.
Kruphix is probably the best commander I have
@OrigamiRobot You can pair it with Thoughtsieze type cards
Crosis is also my favorite 3-color-combination.
So it works out well for a casual format for me.
6:46 PM
@Sconibulus I played my friends Kruphix deck and it was a blast.
I wish I had Sliver Queen though
@Sconibulus @IanPugsley has a Sliver Queen deck with only 2-3 other slivers
@Unionhawk I wish I could do the same, but I can't! My soul is held hostage!
@murgatroid99 I want to build a Glissa deck.
6:47 PM
@OrigamiRobot ...why?
@Sconibulus It's a tokens deck, not a slivers deck.
@OrigamiRobot It's basically piles of artifacts and cards that kill stuff
I'm trying to put together a Heartless Hidetsuga deck
@murgatroid99 Executioner's Capsule <3
6:48 PM
actually I think I should stop clicking, I hit a brick wall of progression, need to ascend
@Sconibulus That was my first general ever
@OrigamiRobot It has one of those. Also, the combo Phyrexian Altar, Attrition, Dictate of Erebos is really fun
I have Prossh, Sisay, Zurgo, and Nath
Combine those with Dross Golem and Glissa and you can kill everything for free
Sisay is the toolboxiest deck.
6:51 PM
this one guy I play with has a Karn deck...
I think he's also got a Phage deck
@Sconibulus Karn is in my Sisay deck, but no Mycosynth Lattice because I don't wanna be that guy.
@OrigamiRobot I recently played against an Arcum Dagsson deck. That was super toolboxy
@OrigamiRobot Mycosynth Lattice is such a fun card. It has so many weird interactions
The Phage deck is completely creatureless, the only reason for Phage is because she's the only Commander (we know of) you can't cast
@murgatroid99 Yea, too bad most people just use it to be jerks.
Karn kept turning my equipments into creatures to remove them
6:54 PM
@Sconibulus There is actually a Phage combo for EDH. I can't remember what it is right now.
@Sconibulus Yea, that's his role in Sisay
he also had things like Soul of New Phyexia and Disc
don't remember what Disc, but it destroyed all the things, and he was able to keep bouncing it back to play
Nev Disk
yeah, that's the one
gatherer is blocked at work for some reason
I like doing Prossh + Food Chain to get infinite kobolds.
Which I then have various ways of winning with
6:59 PM
oooh, ouch

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