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LessPop_MoreFizz

7:00 PM

So I am driving to LA tomorrow. Hooray for being able to make minor demands.

Brett White Ψ

Hello!

LessPop_MoreFizz

Hi!

FallenAngelEyes

Double XP in my game of choice this weekend so I might be scarce-ish

Brett White Ψ

I hope I'm not interrupting some awesome discussions, I have a question about the Gaming Grant meta thread I'm about to put up

FallenAngelEyes

heya @Brett

Brett White Ψ

7:01 PM

Because that is BACK ON

LessPop_MoreFizz

@BrettWhiteΨ Shoot

Powerlord

@FallenAngelEyes Which one?

FallenAngelEyes

City of Heroes

John

@BrettWhite Hi

Brett White Ψ

As of now we are going to try and make this a weekly thing, based around what games are coming out every Tuesday (or the release days in between Tuesdays).

John

7:02 PM

Awesome! Can't wait until I have enough rep for that.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@BrettWhiteΨ :O dassalottagames

FallenAngelEyes

What about games that take more than a week to complete? o_o

Brett White Ψ

Since that list is limited, like, 5-10 games come out a week usually, I'm trying to decide whether or not to have people VOTE on the games they want to play, or just give the people with the rep that are eligible the games they want to play

Oh, well, you don't have to finish the game in a week. Just as long as people post questions and blogs when they are finished

Like, it's just as easy for me to order 10 different games for 10 different users as it is for me to order 2 different games for 10 different users

And if someone is REALLY excited about playing a game, and is eligible, I don't know why they should be disqualified because they don't want to play what the majority wants to play

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FallenAngelEyes

@BrettWhiteΨ I like you, Brett.

Brett White Ψ

UNLESS there's an advantage to having 10 users playing the same game and talking about it that I'm not seeing

LessPop_MoreFizz

7:05 PM

@BrettWhiteΨ The main argument is that we generate more site activity with a few people playing the same game, insofar as you have a built in pool of potential answerers to go with your questions.

Brett White Ψ

@FallenAngelEyes Thanks! Can I get some rep points for that? :)

LessPop_MoreFizz

I don't know that that's a compelling enough argument to force a monoculture.

FallenAngelEyes

@BrettWhiteΨ You have my approval, what more could you need? :D

Grace Note

@BrettWhiteΨ I think you have a better budget than I did on this.

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John

@GraceNote Sounds like it.

Brett White Ψ

7:05 PM

@GraceNote Joel has given me the random number of "10" games a week

LessPop_MoreFizz

But it might be sufficiently compelling to say that, for instance, a game should need a minimum of 3 recipients to be part of the grant?

Brett White Ψ

I have no idea if that was chosen for a reason, or was chosen as off the cuff as it sounded when he said it to me

Grace Note

@BrettWhiteΨ Yeah, that's better than my budget. Technically, mine was 10 games a week if we could as well, the main obstacle being that I had an upper limit to how much purse I had.

Brett White Ψ

@LessPop_MoreFizz Yes, that does make sense. And we can always change the rules later as the community dictates.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@BrettWhiteΨ Yup.

Brett White Ψ

7:08 PM

Yeah! Great. That's what I was wanting to know. This chat room gets it done

LessPop_MoreFizz

@BrettWhiteΨ The Lazers tend to keep us on task.

Or off task as the case may be.

John

@BrettWhiteΨ Then can we change to rules from 1500 on Gaming to 1500 overall? :D

Grace Note

@John That sounds familiar

LessPop_MoreFizz

Speaking of which, I really need to be packing.

John

@GraceNote What? I haven't asked that before...

FallenAngelEyes

7:09 PM

Seriously though, this is awesome, @Brett, thanks so much for arranging this for us.

Grace Note

@John No, you didn't, but you gained 20 more familiarity points.

John

@GraceNote Yay!

Brett White Ψ

@FallenAngelEyes Well it was all Grace Note and Joel, I am just the one with the time to get it done right now. Thanks to the community!

John

How much rep does that convert into?

Brett White Ψ

Now, t-shirts with ridiculous questions on them, when they get made, I WILL TAKE ALL CRED

FallenAngelEyes

7:10 PM

Haha

John

@BrettWhite Now now, you know the rules, attribution is required!

LessPop_MoreFizz

@BrettWhiteΨ Mousepads or gtfo.

Grace Note

@John None. Just like Bonus Points.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Also, we should get some minecraft specific ridiculous question swag specifically for MineCon I'd imagine.

Grace Note

MineCon?

John

7:12 PM

@GraceNote Oh well. As long as they're still good, I'm ok with that.

Grace Note

They have their own convention now?

Powerlord

@John No, lets change it from 1500 on Gaming to 30000 overall (and no, 30000 isn't a typo)

John

@Powerlord :(

FallenAngelEyes

@GraceNote Yep

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GraceNote Minecraft is leaving Beta and Notch is hosting a 2 day party in vegas to celebrate

dubbed MineCon.

John

7:13 PM

@LessPopMoreFizz And when is that?

Grace Note

Ah

Powerlord

Coincidentally, I have over 30,000 global rep.

FallenAngelEyes

Is anyone close to Vegas and going?

John

@Powerlord I noticed.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@John November.

John

7:13 PM

@FallenAngelEyes I'm about as far as LessPop, so no.

@LessPopMoreFizz Ok, so still 11/11/11?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@John You're up here in the NE too? There's so few of us.

FallenAngelEyes

@John Isn't that Skyrim day too?

John

@LessPopMoreFizz Sorry actually SE.

(southeast, not stackexchange)

Lazers

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Q: Mouse Exterminator Game

I remember a PC game in the mid-late 90s in which you play as an exterminator trying to kill all the rats on the screen. Some of the key things I remember: The screen contained a pac-man like maze that the rats would move around There were blue male mice and pink female mice. When a male and...

identify-this-game

Brett White Ψ

@LessPop_MoreFizz Oh yes, mouse pads. Duh. Joel actually mentioned, would people like having cheat codes to the most popular game printed on the mouse pad, along with gaming logo

John

7:15 PM

@FallenAngelEyes Idk I don't play The Elder Scrolls.

Dave McClelland

@BrettWhiteΨ Do you mean the Konami code?

sjohnston

@John I think originally it was supposed to be 11/11/11, but that ended up not working out. But it's supposed to be rescheduled for within a week or two of that (not 100% sure I'm remembering this correctly)

LessPop_MoreFizz

@BrettWhiteΨ The only cheat code of note is the konami code and it is merchandised to hell and back already.

@John 11/18 now I think

Grace Note

We haven't had serious cheat codes in games for a while.

Dave McClelland

Regarding minecon: minecon.mojang.com

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Brett White Ψ

7:16 PM

ah have to go, be back in a sec

FallenAngelEyes

I still remember the password for level 99 of Bubble Bobble for some reason

sjohnston

I always liked the Blizzard cheat codes.

John

Quick! What's 98 days from now?

sjohnston

"There is no cow level"

John

Oh duh. Nov 18-19.

sjohnston

7:16 PM

@DaveMcClelland well there we go

John

Right there on the front page.

Dave McClelland

@sjohnston I've been known to be helpful from time to time

Arda Xi

Hm, looking at how often stuff on meta is closed as status-bydesign, we should have a place where we can report bugs in the design.

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sjohnston

@ArdaXi We do. It's called "griping in chat"

Powerlord

@ArdaXi You forget that we're talking about a site written (at least partly) by Jeff Atwood.

FallenAngelEyes

7:19 PM

@sjohnston I loled

Arda Xi

@Powerlord That'd be my first post.

Powerlord

You know, the guy who responds to criticism by deleting posts from Meta.

FallenAngelEyes

@Brett How are you going to determine who gets a game if more than 10 people sign up (which is likely)?

John

@Powerlord In all fairness, complaint posts don't actually serve a purpose but discourage potential users after a while.

Powerlord

@FallenAngelEyes Likely using a PRNG. We need one modified to always return PFN, though.

sjohnston

7:21 PM

@FallenAngelEyes Unicorns first, obviously

FallenAngelEyes

@Powerlord PFN?

Powerlord

@FallenAngelEyes Powerlord's Favorite Number, obviously. ;)

John

@Powerlord Which is...?

FallenAngelEyes

@Powerlord You can't see me but I'm glaring at you through my monitor.

Arda Xi

@Powerlord Every good PRNG returns 4.

Powerlord

7:22 PM

@ArdaXi As determined by roll of the die.

John

Obligatory Link

Arda Xi

@Powerlord Dice, I believe.

Up to 4.

Wipqozn

@Gracenote Do you need X 0 score accepted answers, or X answers which were accepted with a score of 0?

Grace Note

@Wipqozn I have a difficulty understanding how those are two different things.

Wipqozn

yeah, sorry I shall rephrase

Do you need X 0-accepted answers to get the badge, or do you just need to have X accepted answers which had a score of 0 when they were accepted?

sjohnston

7:30 PM

@Wipqozn I also have noted this ambiguity

Grace Note

Former.

Wipqozn

Thank you kindly :)

Grace Note

In other words, people can hose you quite easily.

Wipqozn

yeah, seems like a really hard one ot get

Dave McClelland

@GraceNote Mental note - go upvote everyone's 0 answers :)

sjohnston

7:31 PM

Dear everyone, please feel free to hose me (by giving me upvotes)

Wipqozn

if I was a terrible person (and I am), I would look for people one answer away from it then upvote one of their 0 score answers

Grace Note

@Wipqozn That were the point of it.

Dave McClelland

@Wipqozn I would give someone a dollar if they wrote a script to find people one answer away :)

John

runs off to SEDE

Wipqozn

@GraceNote I'm surprised it's not a Gold badge, considering the difficulty.

Grace Note

7:35 PM

@Wipqozn It... is?

Tenacious is silver. Unsung Hero is gold.

Brett White Ψ

@FallenAngelEyes Unicorns first, as of now I figure I will determine this first round based on who has the most rep. That could be colossally wrong, and I can change it going forward.

Mana ಠдಠ

Sounds confusing! Badgers, that is.

Brett White Ψ

I fully expect all of these rules and process to go through a lot of revisions as we go forward

FallenAngelEyes

Gotcha

Brett White Ψ

I am trying to figure this out

LessPop_MoreFizz

7:46 PM

gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/27652/revisions

This will not end well.

Mana ಠдಠ

@LessPop What's the difference, quickly?

Or rather, why are you trying to get that change pushed?

Arda Xi

We should make such decisions on the community level.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Manaಠдಠ WoWWiki's editors did a mass defection to WoWpedia, forking the content after WoWWiki pushed a great many more ads into their templates and broke the layout of nearly every article.

The vast majority of WoWWiki's editors no longer updated it, and do edit wowpedia. It is better maintained and more up to date.

And it has fewer and less obtrusive ads besides.

Mana ಠдಠ

Ah. Maybe you should comment that?

FallenAngelEyes

Did WoWWiki used to be on Wikia?

Mana ಠдಠ

7:49 PM

Or explain it in your edit reason.

LessPop_MoreFizz

wowwiki is on wikia

hence the defection

FallenAngelEyes

Don't blame them.

Arda Xi

Same thing happened with Nethack.

FallenAngelEyes

Wikia's become more and more obnoxious with their ads.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ArdaXi And several others.

Mana ಠдಠ

7:55 PM

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A: Dragon Age 2 Hawke dealing little to no damage

Well If you are a Warrior, then I may be able to help, because, when I played as Warrior and picked the Reaver as my specialization suddenly enemies resisted all of my attacks. I will see if i can resolve the issue for myself with the cheat code that makes my warrior level 2 again. It may be that...

I'm confused as to what to do here. It seems he posted as a comment initially and then threw his actual answer in as a comment.

I'm trying to figure out how to edit to resolve the two.

Lazers

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Q: Gaming Promotional Grant - Round 3 Game Selection Thread

In an attempt to keep this place's awesomeosity increasing exponentially (science words!) we're going to try to get the Gaming Promotional Grant going weekly. Yes, weekly. If you have no idea of what I'm yammering about, please follow the link. From what I heard from Grace Note, the previous rou...

discussion

Mana ಠдಠ

> Street Fighter III: Third Strike Online Edition (PS3, Xbox 360)

;_;

FallenAngelEyes

Black Ops twitch

Powerlord

@Manaಠдಠ Capcom is that desperate?

Mana ಠдಠ

@Powerlord How do you mean?

Powerlord

8:03 PM

@Manaಠдಠ Street Fighter 4 just had its second version released, now they're going back and re-releasing Street Fighter 3?

Mana ಠдಠ

SF3 is amazing, man. No dissin'.

Online Play for that is the best thing.

Powerlord

No, the other point is that Capcom turned around and killed off stuff like new Mega Man games, and now they're releasing new versions of 10-year-old titles.

FallenAngelEyes

@Powerlord Dude there were like a ton of versions of SFII

Powerlord

@FallenAngelEyes Yes. 15 years ago.

Or did they start releasing new ones again when I wasn't looking?

Mana ಠдಠ

@Powerlord They did.

Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix

Xbox Live Arcade:}} |genre=Fighting |modes=Single-player, Multiplayer |ratings=ESRB: T PEGI: 12+ |platforms=PlayStation Network, Xbox Live Arcade |media=Download |input=Gamepad }} Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix is a two dimensional fighting game released using the PlayStation Store and Xbox Live Arcade download services. It is a remake of Super Street Fighter II Turbo (the fifth arcade iteration of the Street Fighter II series) featuring the original game and a remixed version using high definition graphics drawn by UDON Entertainment, arranged music by OverClocked ReMix directed b...

Powerlord

8:06 PM

For that matter, when is Capcom going to kill off Resident Evil, since all they do is fighting games now?

FallenAngelEyes

@Manaಠдಠ I have that on XBLA, it's fun

Lazers

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Q: What are some tips to get over 750 zombies in Zombie Gunship?

I am very nearly fully upgraded in Zombie Gunship, but I can't seem to improve any further. I get to about 750 zombies consistently. Any tips?

iphone tips

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Q: Self-host a minecraft server with high security

I heard that hosting a minecraft server (public) is super super secure. Like, you'd need a government hacker to hack into it (I'm not talking about client-hacking) to gain access to your system. In order for other players to play on your server, you have to give others your public IP. Many tim...

minecraft

Arda Xi

Why would it be dangerous to give out your IP address?

Every website you ever visit gets it.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Brett Awww, two weeks out? So I can't push for Bastion, eh?

FallenAngelEyes

@LessPop_MoreFizz I was curious about that game too

LessPop_MoreFizz

8:12 PM

@FallenAngelEyes Guess I'll need to spend my own money on it...

FallenAngelEyes

I'm really pissed that they included a Kinect game in XBLA summer of arcade

last year, I got them all so I could get points bonus refund

this year I probably won't get any

what in the world is Outdoors Unlimited

Also guh, I wanna play El Shaddai but it's not out in Europe til September or October or something :(

"Whether it's hunting Elk on the frozen fields, landing a record Bass, or cooking your well-earned dinner over an open fire, it's all part of Outdoors Unlimited - the first game to combine hunting, fishing, and camping with an RPG system." What

sjohnston

@FallenAngelEyes That game looks strange from the ads I've seen. Main character seems to be wearing roman legionnaire armor, but rides a tron light-bike. Switches between stylized 2D platforming and 3D fighting game?

FallenAngelEyes

@sjohnston He wears blue jeans actually too

sjohnston

er

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, if you have a 360, there's a demo for it on XBLA

It's really weird looking but it's so stylish and the art is so funky that I feel myself drawn to it for some reason

It's the first demo in a while I've played where I was like "I need to play this now"

sjohnston

8:18 PM

@FallenAngelEyes It did draw my interest simply by not looking like another Serious Brown Shooter game

FallenAngelEyes

That's part of the reason it intrigues me, yeah

It's out in the US next week

Sept 9th for the EU apparently

I wish I could explain why I want to play this game so badly!

Aghk! Frank Darabont's leaving the Walking Dead tv series! Fffffff.

Apparently AMC wanted to cut costs and he didn't agree. Argh.

Arda Xi

Wait, this grant thing means that so long as I pick the most popular game, I will always win. That sounds unfair.

Grace Note

Isn't that how the other two went?

Arda Xi

@GraceNote I don't know, I haven't paid much attention.

Back then I had a bigger personal budget to spend.

FallenAngelEyes

@GraceNote Yeah it is. I missed out on Child of Eden and Alice.

Wipqozn

8:29 PM

@GraceNote oops.

Grace Note

@FallenAngelEyes Which I do regret.

FallenAngelEyes

Curse you Dungeon Siege III! shakefist

Grace Note

Has anyone gotten Alice: Madness Returns, by the way?

sjohnston

@ArdaXi Not only that, but participating tends to generate lots of rep, so the high-rep users who participate a lot will get even more rep

FallenAngelEyes

Nay.

Arda Xi

8:31 PM

@sjohnston Sounds good.

I'm wondering if I should.

FallenAngelEyes

Would like it, as I enjoyed the first.

Grace Note

@ArdaXi You could regain your status from the Beta.

FallenAngelEyes

I also enjoy Alice in Wonderland related stuff in general.

Grace Note

@FallenAngelEyes I heard that it actually includes the first. Which actually makes me interested in possibly picking it up.

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Gain 26k?

sjohnston

8:32 PM

@ArdaXi You're wondering if you should do the thing that gets you rep and free games? Really?

Grace Note

@ArdaXi If you work hard, it will come.

FallenAngelEyes

@GraceNote Yep! The graphics are quite... dated and some of the platforming can be frustrating with the controls, but I thought it was a very neat game.

Arda Xi

@sjohnston Well, yes.

Grace Note

@FallenAngelEyes Ooh, so it does come with it.

Arda Xi

You know guys, I'm not completely devoid of a conscience.

FallenAngelEyes

8:32 PM

@sjohnston I'm likely not going to participate in this round because I'm not super-interested in the games.

Arda Xi

I know I sometimes seem that way, but seriously.

FallenAngelEyes

@GraceNote One sec, I'm not sure if the PC version comes with it.

sjohnston

@FallenAngelEyes I was interested, but I watched about 45 minutes of Yoggscast lets play, and I kind of thought it looked pretty dull.

FallenAngelEyes

@GraceNote As far as I can tell, only 360 and PS3 versions come with it.

Arda Xi

That's.. interesting.

Grace Note

8:34 PM

@FallenAngelEyes I'd go for the latter, so that works for me.

sjohnston

@FallenAngelEyes That's fair. I happen to be pretty interested in Deus Ex, and I'm guessing that'll be the most popular pick

LessPop_MoreFizz

I'd be interested in Deus Ex, but as with the Witcher, I am just not going to have playtime during release week it looks like. :(

(It was looking like I would, and then I got asked to drive to LA this weekend.)

sjohnston

@ArdaXi Future @Arda pre-emptively plays retro games

Grace Note

'cuz you'll be on the road!

FallenAngelEyes

@sjohnston My main thing is is that I don't want to end up taking up a "slot" for someone who really wants to play it just for the sake of rep and a free game.

Arda Xi

8:35 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz It's released the 23rd.

sjohnston

@FallenAngelEyes Yeah, I totally get that, if the selection doesn't pique your interest. Especially if we're going to make this a weekly thing.

FallenAngelEyes

@sjohnston Exactly, I can just get in on the next round or something.

Arda Xi

Ah, I'll make the time.

Won't need the money anyway.

Powerlord

This extension gives me a headache sometimes.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ArdaXi Yes, at which time, under current plans that have me driving to LA, I'll probably be driving to Denver.

Powerlord

8:37 PM

I should have just pulled out the global handler, not the local handler as well.

Wipqozn

@Lazers +10 Internets to you @BrettWhite

Arda Xi

@LessPop_MoreFizz It's that long a ride?

LessPop_MoreFizz

@ArdaXi It's a 5 day drive, but once I'm out there I'm working from there for a few days

then probably driving to denver, which is another 2 day drive

and then working out of denver for a while...

living out of hotels is a bad way to try out new release games.

FallenAngelEyes

@LessPop_MoreFizz Steeeeam? :D

Tom Wijsman

Is it just me, or is Recettear written in a way that you fail every next pay day?

Grace Note

8:44 PM

Just you, I guess.

(not to be mean, that is)

Tom Wijsman

I really doubt how to get to that 80k in a week...

Mana ಠдಠ

@Tom It's very unforgiving until you get a good grasp on how everything works.

Tom Wijsman

Didn't take that as mean, just wondering.

sjohnston

@TomWijsman I got through the first 3 using the 104% sell, 70% buy method

Mana ಠдಠ

And by a good grasp on everything I mean what sjohnston said.

Grace Note

8:45 PM

@TomWijsman You can complete the game in one loop, so it's plausible.

Tom Wijsman

@sjohnston: 104% feels so low, given that I do a lot through ~125% a like sells. Don't you get less items to sell?

Grace Note

@TomWijsman Read my answer on favor. You do 104% to cur favor, so that your future profits are greater.

Tom Wijsman

Aren't there a limited amount of buyers/sellers per moment/day, or is that just me again?

sjohnston

@TomWijsman It DOES feel low. But it works because 1) it causes your customers to have lots more to spend, and 2) your merchant level goes up fast, giving you access to much more expensive stuff (which your moneybags customers will now buy)

Also, remember that stuff you get from dungeons is 100% profit.

You can do well by buying stuff when it's low priced (blue) and selling it later when it's normal or high (pink)

Tom Wijsman

Oh, I only felt lucky when things where higher. Didn't note that I should buy items when they are blue, thanks for the tip...

Dave McClelland

8:48 PM

@TomWijsman Also don't forget - you get to carry items over to your next iteration. If you know you aren't going to be able to make a payment, just spend ALL your money on items before the payment's due

sjohnston

@TomWijsman Yes. But if you're selling a 10k item at 4% profit, it's better than selling a 1k item at 25% profit.

Tom Wijsman

@DaveMcClelland Wait... When I lose the game I still have my items?!

sjohnston

@DaveMcClelland ha, nice!

Dave McClelland

@TomWijsman Yep :)

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FallenAngelEyes Steam is awesome. Hotel internet is not awesome.

FallenAngelEyes

8:49 PM

@TomWijsman Yes. You carry over merchant levels, favor levels, inventory

@LessPop_MoreFizz point

Tom Wijsman

@DaveMcClelland: I feel bad, I started a new game every time! :(

LessPop_MoreFizz

I also don't travel with my preferred gaming equipments.

Tom Wijsman

(Closed the game because I wanted to let it rest...)

FallenAngelEyes

@TomWijsman Oh no! Keep your loop! You're like, meant to fail.

Dave McClelland

@TomWijsman You DON'T carry over your money, though, so it's always worth it to spend all your money if you aren't going to make payment

@TomWijsman Some people may consider it gaming the system, I consider it being a shrewd business owner :D

FallenAngelEyes

8:51 PM

Not really meant but it's expected that you may fail, so they essentially give you a kind of New Game+ when you restart

Tom Wijsman

@DaveMcClelland: I missed this essential thing about the game, I'll work my last save which is quite far to get as much items in stock as possible as I'm unlikely to get the 80k anyway...

FallenAngelEyes

Everyone else has moved onto Recettear while I'm stuck in my fishing addiction in Chantelise :(

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sjohnston

@DaveMcClelland I believe that's known as strategic default.

Dave McClelland

@sjohnston Touche. It seems like a surefire way to win the game eventually, but it gets boring losing intentionally a bunch of times

sjohnston

@FallenAngelEyes I bought both. Tried Chantelise, but after an hour or two, I was bored. Tried Recettear for a couple hours and was totally addicted. (Also, I kind of sucked at Chantelise)

Tom Wijsman

8:53 PM

@DaveMcClelland: I might as well keep using my 130% -> 125% (most), 125% --> 120% (annoying), 110% --> 105% (kid) way of playing the game; perhaps I well fail later and adjust it. I'm not going to take your low suggestion as I feel like cheating when I do...

FallenAngelEyes

@sjohnston Hehe Recettear's a very fun game. :) I love the whole turnaround aspect of running the armor/weapon shop that you usually buy from as a regular adventurer in other RPGs.

Grace Note

@TomWijsman You don't need to do loops to take advantage of gaining favor

Dave McClelland

@TomWijsman The 104%/70% method was suggested by sjohnston, for the record. I say use whatever strategy you want. It's your damn business, after all!

Tom Wijsman

I would think that the community would benefit a question like this, any idea how I should ask it?

@DaveMcClelland As noted in my previous sentence, I think the fact that he games loops would be nice to capture in a gaming question somehow...

FallenAngelEyes

@TomWijsman gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/7284/…

Grace Note

8:55 PM

@TomWijsman Figure out what aspects of this question don't help, then isolate those for your question.

Tom Wijsman

I've not read the manual, I went straight to play the game.

Grace Note

@TomWijsman That's already on a question that Fallen just linked, actually.

Tom Wijsman

Okay. Pretty funny...

Dave McClelland

@TomWijsman Game manuals are like car manuals, it's worthwhile to look at when you have a problem, but otherwise gets shoved in a forgotten drawer

Tom Wijsman

@FallenAngelEyes: Remember how you pointed me to the second paragraph previous time? You're pointing me to the same answer again, and I had skipped that previous time, nice.

FallenAngelEyes

8:56 PM

@TomWijsman Oh geez XD

@DaveMcClelland I... I always read the manual before I play. :(

Tom Wijsman

I even just smashed random keys to get the game to start... :P

Why won't you accept these trivial key presses? Why?! Oh, that worked...

FallenAngelEyes

XD

Dave McClelland

@FallenAngelEyes I find a lot of the fun I get out of games is figuring out the control scheme and how to play. Sort of like reverse engineering the game to write my own mental manual :)

FallenAngelEyes

I can't believe how little information there is in manuals nowadays.

Grace Note

@FallenAngelEyes In the past, the book used to be the meatiest thing in the box.

FallenAngelEyes

8:59 PM

@DaveMcClelland Yeah, I know a lot of people who do that too. I dunno, I just like having a solid foundation to build my house on I guess.

Dave McClelland

@TomWijsman Me too - it's always some combination of mashing escape, enter, space, shift, mouse1, etc to figure out how to skip the intro videos. And once I've done that, mashing buttons to figure out how to make the game start

Grace Note

Link to the Past had cool pictures of all the items.

LessPop_MoreFizz

arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/08/…

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FallenAngelEyes

@GraceNote I have to admit, I'm kind of a manual nerd. I really like thorough and artsy ones.

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