The Nineteenth Byte

00:48

@NewPosts As one of the arguments in my incoming answer, I'm very tempted to use "Oh, come on, do you really think this will happen?" as a counter :P

user

01:03

I know you're joking, but tbh I think "we shouldn't change things because we've been doing things this way forever and people won't want to do it" is not a great counterargument

caird coinheringaahing

It's more, "If we allow people to post any answers with their own self-restrictions, we'll get people claiming that their restriction is that the code must be >1000 bytes" (or whatever)

Cause, honestly, if someone countered that in a discussion (rather than a meta post), my response would be "...really?"

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing It’d be trivial to restrict restrictions to not being about the tag at hand

caird coinheringaahing

Even that's overkill imo

"Just use common sense" is a rule that I feel like we overlook too much

@Wezl Nice profile picture :P

Redwolf Programs

02:23

Something I commented under WW's answer that I think is a good justification for allowing self-restrictions:

You could sort of view those self imposed restrictions as implicitly creating a language which is just an identical version of JS/Python/whatever which just has a requirement that the source code must, e.g., be a limerick

If you really wanted to be that guy, you could make "JavaScript but the code must be 1000 bytes" and achieve the same result as imposing a self-restriction: A very boring answer that's the same as a normal JS answer but without effort needing to be put in

Aaron Miller

02:44

@lyxal my second answer was in golfscript

I think one great example of a self-imposed restriction is ppencode-compatible Perl answers

Those are Perl 5 answers that only use space-separated keywords made of lowercase ascii letters. No digits, no symbols, not even newlines

Redwolf Programs

That's pretty neat

Razetime

mornin

Aaron Miller

they’re not super golfy, but they make for pretty interesting answers, imho. I don’t understand Perl, but I like seeing those answers.

@Razetime yo

AviFS

I think 2021 will forever be remembered in esolang history as the mad rush to replace TIO as the site for esolang running. And it's still a toss-up to see which site is going to come out of this as the new standard moving forward!

I just came across yet another one on Github: github.com/raxod502/riju

Razetime

@AaronMiller gamerrrr

anyone already and expert on Lean?

I got zero experience in theorem proves

Redwolf Programs

02:52

@AviFS Oh no I really need to work on RTO

AviFS

@RedwolfPrograms Wait! We sooo need to have a private diep.io server!

@RedwolfPrograms I know, we doooooo!!!

And pgexer, how about ATO?

Redwolf Programs

@AviFS Will you be able to any time soon?

AviFS

Or is it pxeger, I never remember, haha

Redwolf Programs

It's regexp backwards, that's how you remember :p

AviFS

@RedwolfPrograms I think so actually, I wish I could commit though. Things are really unpredictable still. But Wednesday I can try again!!

@RedwolfPrograms Oh no way! I never noticed, thanks!

Redwolf Programs

02:55

Sounds good! I like working with you because if I'm left on my own I'll go off and start working on something else in ten minutes :p

AviFS

@RedwolfPrograms You're not the only one! Trust me ;)

pVC aecidiospore adduced

04:06

isnt the python release stream today?

oh wait

its done

i am getting python 3.10 now

good thing i didnt start working on the interpreter in dinoux

emanresu A

Does pythonanywhere support 3.10?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@emanresuA idk

@emanresuA it just released

so ig no one will support it

emanresu A

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

pVC aecidiospore adduced

i have uninstalled something successfully for the first time

well history exam

Redwolf Programs

What sort of history?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

04:20

@RedwolfPrograms wait theres division in history too?

history and civics

Redwolf Programs

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced At least where I am, there's World History, US History (a US-only thing of course :p), and some optional ones like European History

pVC aecidiospore adduced

oh

Redwolf Programs

And they count Human Geography as a history class

Along with Economics

pVC aecidiospore adduced

i have history as just history either its europe or american or indian

obviously most chapters are indian history

Redwolf Programs

Where I am, the history classes are usually split up by year:
6th: Geography/World History (but since it's 6th grade they don't go into much detail)
7th: Texas History (guess which state I live in? :p)
8th: US History
9th: Human Geography
10th: World History
11th: US History (again?)
12th: Government, Economics

History's probably one that varies a lot more by region, since math and science don't really change depending on where you live :p

pVC aecidiospore adduced

04:46

well part 1 finished

i finished first which is weird

considering this is history and we just have to click on buttons

lyxal

05:25

Why didn't y'all sussy bakas tell me that getting the covid vaccine would result in a day's worth of pain in my arm?!?

Because it is uncomfortable as all frick the pain

emanresu A

Well, congratulations.

lyxal

I don't need congratulations I need the discomfort to stop

Adám

Have you tried painkillers?

emanresu A

Aug 30 at 22:19, by Dude coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Congrats, you're now 50% immortal :P

lyxal

@Adám I don't have any, and I probably wouldn't anyway

emanresu A

05:30

@lyxal Nothing really much to do about it - I have quite high pain tolerance though, so you might want to try something.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@lyxal oh no one did?

emanresu A

It happens with all injections, at least for me, although some are worse than others.

I am very glad to provide a service to fill in the terrible gap in edit distance questions which codegolf.se has had. When there are as many edit distance questions as quine questions my job will be done. — user9207 Apr 3 '20 at 10:05

Razetime

@lyxal also results in mild illness :)

have fun

emanresu A

Out of context, but it's...

... a very sussy baka.

Aaron Miller

I was surprised, when I got my vaccine I didn’t feel any side effects afterwards.

lyxal

05:46

@Razetime commit actual frick

Aaron Miller

@lyxal you should’ve gotten the same vaccine I did:

3

17 hours ago, by Aaron Miller

@lyxal My cousin Jim's Special Tonic

3

lyxal

how tf I gonna get your cousin's stuff over here

3

emanresu A

in Trash, 2 days ago, by Vyxal Bot

@user ⊂(◉‿◉)つ

@lyxal ^

Aaron Miller

@lyxal With effort

lyxal

mmm yes thank y'all for filling my inbox very cool the ping noise totally isn't loud and it totally doesn't jumpscare me each time

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Aaron Miller

05:50

@lyxal No problem

AviFS

06:14

@lyxal Wait, did you just get the first vaccine?

lyxal

@AviFS yesterday

AviFS

⍤⍥⍤

You're in Australia, right?

lyxal

yes

AviFS

But like... is it only now possible for you to get the vaccine?

lyxal

to get the pfizer

AviFS

06:16

Does it have to do with being under 18?

lyxal

I'm not under 18

AviFS

With the California roll out, we all got ours in late spring

@lyxal Argh, I get so confused.

lyxal

it's because of availability and the fact that they took the doses meant for us up to another part of the state

AviFS

Does it have to do with not being under 18?

lyxal

no

it's purely availability issues

AviFS

06:17

... that was a joke though : (

I said not this time

lyxal

For all of September, the earliest I could book was yesterday

AviFS

Wow, that's crazy!

When was the first vaccine available to you and which was it?

lyxal

Astro has been available pretty much the whole time, but I wanted to wait for pfizer

AviFS

Makes sense! I did fine with the Pfizer, but my sister was sick the next day. My parents got Moderna and were very sick for over a week. Luckily they got their shots a month apart.

lyxal

btw I spent literal hours trying to get earlier than the 4th

Sep 6 at 23:56, by lyxal

I didn't reroll the appointments page for an hour just to sacrifice my 4th of October appointment

AviFS

06:20

Ouch!

lyxal

I refreshed the bookings page for up to an hour and a half at a time trying to get optimal date/time combos

AviFS

It's like comic-con, haha

lyxal

but now, they've got appointments at pretty much every time

AviFS

All for naught?

lyxal

all my tryharding in september for nothing

@AviFS pretty much

AviFS

06:21

Such is life

emanresu A

If you want to feel a bit better, I have a friend who'll never give you up, let you down, make you cry or hurt you.

AviFS

What a good friend.

lyxal

not only is there the pain from the vaccine, there's also the fact that daylight saving just started, meaning my sleep is now a bit messed up

AviFS

If only your friend had left me a link so I could say hi :P

emanresu A

Just go here and he'll greet you.

AviFS

06:24

I needed that! A good friend indeed this Rick.

(Gtg. 'Til later!)

pVC aecidiospore adduced

the second dose doesnt hurt nor pain nor fever

i think

not (pain or fever or hurt)

Razetime

@lyxal hi

Adám

My second dose felt pretty much as the first one.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@lyxal h⍺⍳

@Adám oh idk

Adám

Severe soreness fading over three days or so.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

06:38

my parents felt nothing

Adám

Pfizer?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

no

covishield

i am kinda scared for history exam

ok bye

lyxal

07:00

lyxal: yes, but I already have that
You: no you don't
ColdGolf: Yes I do.
You: you're not lyxal
Doorknob: He is. It's network-wide.
You: bruh
lyxal: where I am there's been 0 covid cases throughout this whole time. Yet now, when covid starts spreading roughly a few hundred kilometres down south (with those areas being placed on lock down), everyone panics
You: because that aged well didn't it.

(source: redwolf's tnb simulator)

Jul 2 at 6:19, by lyxal

@hyper-neutrino where I am there's been 0 covid cases throughout this whole time. Yet now, when covid starts spreading roughly a few hundred kilometres down south (with those areas being placed on lock down), everyone panics

@lyxal dumbass jinxing the area

smh

emanresu A

07:48

@lyxal Where is that? I need it.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

07:59

uh so i submitted

and i hate history

caird coinheringaahing

> every programming language

I looked through the language list and there are a few missing :P

emanresu A

Only 224 langs

Bad

caird coinheringaahing

That's less than a third of TIO, and that hasn't been updated in 2 years, smh

emanresu A

I notice something in particular missing between VB and Whitespace...

For underappreciated answers list

._. when all three ways of compressing a string have the same length...

You: waffles
Downgoat: that was random, why not pancakes?

You: o/
lyxal: try now

You: v
zyabin101: ^

Oh no.

I've created an infinite loop.

Neil

08:38

@cairdcoinheringaahing well you apparently believe in downvoting instead of vtd anyway

caird coinheringaahing

That definitely depends on the answer and circumstances

I've cast 225 downvotes and 405 delete votes, so I definitely seem to prefer vtding.

Vote to delete countless invalid and VLQ posts, no one bats an eye
Downvote one answer that doesn't contain golfed code, and everyone loses their damn mind :/

pVC aecidiospore adduced

09:05

i sometimes wish that github had a dislike feature

pVC aecidiospore adduced

09:51

6×10+(6+3)

Anush

hello all!

Adám

@AviFS Wow even has GNU APL (notoriously hard to get running) an claims A+ (though that seems broken).

user

11:31

Some of the languages seem to have older versions though, tine for aome prs

Aaron Miller

12:34

19 hours ago, by Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing for Flatten the CUBE, what would happen here? According to the spec, it would go down at the 'v' and then go to the left, but there's nothing there.

@cairdcoinheringaahing ^

caird coinheringaahing

Given that there aren't any test cases covering that, and I'm not entirely sure what would be best, you can assume that you'll never get an input where that's a thing

Aaron Miller

nice

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, my answer throws an error on that case, so don't worry about it :P

pVC aecidiospore adduced

13:01

i got and park my cycle and from the cupboard beside i hear, "press 912641" repeatedly (in those google voices) and i freaked out lol

still dont know what that is

caird coinheringaahing

It's a kinda of mauve colour

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@cairdcoinheringaahing what does that mean hmm

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

a + b = b + a This question is a part of the lean LotM. Rings are a type of structure that takes the rules of addition and multiplication we are familiar with and abstracts them, so we can reason about them. Rings can be defined in a number of ways. Usually this involves giving a bunch of axiom...

Redwolf Programs

13:29

@AviFS Australia doesn't really have too much need for the vaccine, really

Makes sense that places like the US would hurry up a lot more

Considering that more people have died of COVID here in the last week or two than have ever gotten it in Australia

DLosc

16:35

@AaronMiller That's like the opposite of Symbolic Python.

Also reminds me of my answers to this CnR challenge

Aaron Miller

@DLosc oh that's neat

DLosc

16:52

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced Pretty sweet!

Sandbox Posts

17:14

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Hearts KotH king-of-the-hill Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to write a Java bot to play a simplified version of hearts. Hearts is a four-player trick-based card game. To start a round of hearts, each player is dealt 13 cards. The player who has the two of clubs starts by playi...

DLosc

@lyxal I used to be a gamer back in 2018 ~~but then I took an arrow in the knee~~

Aaron Miller

18:00

@cairdcoinheringaahing Your Flatten the CUBE program only succeeds for 3 of the test cases and throws various errors for all the rest

caird coinheringaahing

@AaronMiller I'll take a look at it in the next couple of days and try to fix it (worst case scenario, I'll roll it back to the original version as Imm 99% sure that works)

emanresu A

18:32

Gold badge #2!

Aaron Miller

19:04

noice

Redwolf Programs

19:16

Which one?

Whoa, famous question?

Oh cool, I didn't know the Minceraft question was yours

Sandbox Posts

19:29

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Optimize my Cruise Control My cars cruise-control functionality has 4 different methods of adjustment, all using a single stalk. They are as follows: Hard press up (press until you feel the click): +5 mph Soft press up (press lightly, but not to the click): +1 mph Soft press down (press lightly...

JPeroutek

19:41

Anyone have any feedback on my new sandboxed challenge?

emanresu A

Looks good to me, but you should probably leave it for a bit.

Redwolf Programs

@JPeroutek I'd recommend letters other than u, U, d, D for the test cases, since u and U look very similar (at least for my system's fonts)

Also, I'm not really sure this challenge is that interesting, and it's probably a near-dupe of lots of others. I'm pretty sure the solution is just "U/D until at the nearest multiple of 5, then use up a few u/ds"

JPeroutek

19:58

Yeah, its similar to the problem to find the minimum amount of change needed.

emanresu A

20:25

I wonder... When we finally get enough questions, how many people are going to get Generalist?

AviFS

@DLosc That's a fun one! Hadn't heard of it; thanks for the link!

@Adám Wait! You can interact with it in the REPL too. Did anyone notice? You just click on the right-hand side.

And the repl feels as fast as running locally; in speed and ability to replify it's ahead of TIO and every other such site I know.

There's replit.com which also can feel local speed-wise, but the languages it offers are severely limited to a dozen mainstream ones.

Adám

@AviFS Yeah, I noticed.

AviFS

Eg. Try out riju.codes/python & riju.codes/apl!

@Adám Oh, I clearly hadn't!

Adám

Now I want Dyalog there. Should be doable.

AviFS

@Adám Is it the best place to run a GNU APL repl in the browser?

rak1507

20:39

cool site

Aaron Miller

The cube has been flattened.

Adám

@AviFS Not just best – only, afaict.

rak1507

@Adám juergen-sauermann.de/try-GNU-APL

Adám

Looks down to me.

rak1507

oh... yeah

AviFS

20:40

@Adám Or you guys can make tryapl.org faster, haha

rak1507

well that used to work

Adám

@AviFS Sure, but even if we manage to make it faster, it is still limited. Riju uses containers, so it is unrestricted.

AviFS

@Adám Neat!

@Adám Oh right! Then maybe tryapl can just redirect to Riju :P

I'm going to try and find that convo now, I know I asked before why it's limited rather than containered. I don't remember the answer, though

Wheat Witch

@emanresuA Quite a few I would imagine. How close are we?

Adám

@AviFS Well, TryAPL has lots of features that Riju won't ever have.

@AviFS Because we have not figured out how to do it containered. Notice that TIO doesn't have interactivity.

AviFS

20:45

Right, but Riju does. And in principle, I can't see why containers should limit interactivity, either.

Hmm, I guess I never asked why last time, I thought I had.

@Adám Here's a link to the last time this came up.

You reworded your bio, Adám!

Adám

@AviFS I did? Oh, you mean on GitHub?

AviFS

Maybe there too! I meant here:

> Orthodox Jew, full time Dyalog APL programmer. Good, because main interests are Judaism and APL. Always excited to teach or help with, or answer questions about either. @Adám in The APL Orchard chat.

Same content, but different wording!

Unless... has it always been different in your chat profile vs your main profile?

I don't think I realized that was possible.

dzaima

@Adám isn't TryAPL technically non-interactive anyways?

Adám

@AviFS They are completely separate. The chat one doesn't support MD even. It also has a lower limit, so I use a briefer wording.

@dzaima Ah, well, now it is.

AviFS

@Adám That explains it!

SE chat yet again... behind the times

Adám

20:58

… which means that we just need a good sandbox solution. We're working on it, but it isn't highest priority.

Aaron Miller

@AaronMiller @cairdcoinheringaahing I'm going to golf this as much as I can, fix a couple little bugs, and then post it. That was a lot of fun!

emanresu A

21:21

@WheatWitch 13 tags / ~1k questions to go.

Wheat Witch

Ah so that will be a while.

emanresu A

BMG is soon tho

@AaronMiller Are you just doing it for Bubbler's bounty?

DLosc

21:57

@emanresuA Are we gonna write some drafts, then?

emanresu A

Sure!

lyxal

I'mma write some AI generated drafts lol

emanresu A

Draft: Prove the Riemann Hypothesis.

Aaron Miller

@emanresuA Nah, I just wanted to do some ascii-art challenges in Vim, and then I remembered that one, so I decided to do it, since I like making obnoxiously large Vim answers, and I figured Vim would also be the perfect tool for the job. I actually forgot about that bounty, so thanks for reminding me!

user

Is anyone else confused by the stars here?

emanresu A

22:09

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

user

Nice, Riju has Q#

emanresu A

But not Vyxal

Adám

Wait a minute, can one permalink to code on Riju?

emanresu A

It appears not

Adám

Well, that lessens the value substantially.

Aaron Miller

22:17

@user I am the peak of comedy.

lyxal

@AaronMiller no, you're Aaron.

Aaron Miller

@lyxal Is that a challenge?

lyxal

@AaronMiller no, it's a chat message.

a reply, more technically.

Aaron Miller

I don’t know, it sounds a lot like a challenge.

lyxal

Then you pronounce a challenge really weirdly

Aaron Miller

22:19

Mom, Lyxal’s making fun of my accent!

emanresu A

You don't have a mom, you're a Lyxal.

Wait

Neil

@emanresuA what's preventing it from being awarded?

emanresu A

@lyxal Do the Lyxal have moms?

lyxal

@AaronMiller well maybe if you didn't pronounce a challenge as no, it's a chat message then maybe I wouldn't

@emanresuA ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

emanresu A

@Neil We need to have 40 tags with >200 questions.

lyxal

22:21

@emanresuA I'd have to ask gpt3 (which generates the canonical info), which I'll do later because I'm also in a lecture rn

Aaron Miller

I’m not sure if any of this conflicts with existing lore, but this is way more lore than I expected from that prompt: gist.github.com/AMiller42/8c0911d0c201148ac022529d6d233922

lyxal

@AaronMiller yes there are conflicts with lore there

emanresu A

> Yes, the Lyxal have a language, but they are not able to speak it due to their physiology. They communicate via modulated radio.

Aaron Miller

@lyxal Conflicts shall be purged.

emanresu A

Even better:

> The Lyxal are not an independent race. They are the product of Lyxal Incorporated, a corporation based in the Alpha Centauri system.

lyxal

22:26

here's the OG lore

> Lyxal speak a language that is similar to English that has evolved over time through human contact (since they were once human). It has its own grammar but feels somewhat similar to English speech in some ways especially because it shares many words with it.

@AaronMiller I see your lore and raise you gist.github.com/Lyxal/b418fe49a6f3f4fbfda993746c23fb44

Aaron Miller

Pants are considered a human invention, and not to be trusted.

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So the Lyxal were originally from the interspacial void between galaxies, but were spawned into our galaxy by interspacial imps. Since then, they have reproduced, though all that is known of that reproduction is that they hatch from eggs fully mature, and they respawn upon death (though that respawning may be completely separate from the reproduction/hatching).

Or were they spawned into the ixadigal by the imps and later migrated into our galaxy?

lyxal

@AaronMiller I think this

user

22:45

@AaronMiller Oh dear, is it all downhill from here?

Aaron Miller

@user it’s comedy all the way down

user

@AaronMiller @RedwolfPrograms Is this why you got those emails about pants?

@Adám It'd be trivial to make a userscript that took links and then decoded the links and pasted that code in, right?

Maybe not trivial but at least not terrible

emanresu A

23:13

Ok, I just finished reading the trabscript up to where I leftt.

That's three hours of my life I'll never get back.

Aaron Miller

And it was worth every second

user

Shitty Life Pro Tip #51: Reject humanity, abandon monke, become cokie

emanresu A

Wait what happended to BM

'/g

lyxal

@emanresuA it's not on for another hour

I take it you're in DST as well

emanresu A

Yes

time confus

lyxal

23:24

same

user

DST is the worst

emanresu A

It'd be nice if it was consitent :p

lyxal

2 days ago, by lyxal

it's weird because for the last few weeks, the available hours of sunlight have been exactly the same as they were today (as in, you'd have sunlight during the same hours today as you would yesterday if there wasn't DST today). Yet, you see multitudes of people out at 6pm today, and barely anyone at 5pm yesterday afternoon despite the fact that the sun levels were the same

I ranted about it a few days ago kekw

user

Shitty Life Pro Tip #9: When DST comes around, start hiding bombs in clocks. Then people will be afraid to use clocks. No more time, no more time zone confusion

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Aaron Miller

^

emanresu A

23:26

^

v

user

Shitty Life Pro Tip #11: After doing this, joke about it online so people will think "Ahahaha this is obviously a joke, no one would be dumb enough to actually do this" thus moving suspicion from you

Aaron Miller

Or just start hiding bombs in you. Then people will be afraid to suspect you.

4

user

I mean, even if they suspect you, you'll have more important things to worry about

Wait a minute, when you say "in you", do you mean that people should hide bombs inside themselves or that people should hide bombs in me?

Aaron Miller

You should hide bombs in you so people will be afraid to suspect you.

If it doesn’t work you won’t have to worry about it for long.

hyper-neutrino

23:47

wait dst changed for you guys?

emanresu A

NZ + australia, yes

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino it started a few days ago for me

emanresu A

idk about anywhere asle

hyper-neutrino

wack. i think it's another like month until we change

according to wikipedia this shift was in part motivated by candy industry lobbyists looking to increase profits by including halloween in the DST window

user

You're kidding, right?

Those are ridiculous lengths to go to to turn a profit

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