The Nineteenth Byte

1:01 PM

@Dennis maybe someone responsible with that can take the highlighting files from some text editor, Kate has good one even for sed. Kate is a Linux editor.

TùxCräftîñg

github.com/charredgrass/charredgrass.github.io

~~the first line of the README~~ the entire README haha

ASCII-only

@seshoumara But it's not very well supported

TextMate files (IIRC) + Ace's highlighter is better IMO

TùxCräftîñg

ಠ_ಠ vim syntax files are the best

seshoumara

or vim's

ASCII-only

@TùxCräftîñg No srsly look at my Logicode syntax

@TùxCräftîñg But TextMate files are already supported by the web

Dennis

1:06 PM

@seshoumara SE uses Google Code Prettify, so you'd have to file a bug report with them.

> Kate is a Linux editor.

.oO(I know. I wrote my thesis in Kile.)

Fatalize

^ what was your thesis about?

kde scrub

2abstract4me

@quartata Scrub?

Real Ph.D students write their thesis using a printing press

quartata

1:14 PM

To be honest I'm not sure the origin of when that entered the Internet's vocabulary nor exactly what it means. I'm just implying that KDE < Xfce

TùxCräftîñg

no

KDE > Xfce

ASCII-only

@Fatalize I thought they just got monks to copy it

betseg

Yay my jeans are famous now

Btw my real surname is famous in Turkish

@JonathanAllan nice!

Fatalize

Atatürk?

Dennis

@quartata That is so untrue. Xfce doesn't event support scale/present windows.

betseg

1:17 PM

@Fatalize My surname is "famous" in Turkish

Fatalize

lol

TùxCräftîñg

yay

i have a accepted pull request

betseg

@TùxCräftîñg To where

TùxCräftîñg

github.com/LogicodeLang/Logicode/pull/16

quartata

I keep finding myself spelling xfce as xkfce

betseg

1:19 PM

xxkcdwm The X xkcd Window Manager

quartata

@Dennis Is that the thing where all your windows pop up and do an extremely expensive animation? Bleh

@betseg I don't even want to imagine what this would entail

TùxCräftîñg

but anyway i3 > KDE > Xfce

Dennis

@quartata It's not expensive. And I don't have a taskbar, so I have to select my windows somehow. What I love about KDE is that all bits and pieces of it are configurable.

TùxCräftîñg

haha

my internet connection went down when i tried to say this

betseg

@quartata it would be the best ever

ASCII-only

1:22 PM

@Dennis But you can just have xfce + skippy-xd

TùxCräftîñg

> xd

Dennis

@ASCII-only I tried skippy. It's crap.

betseg

Tfw my worst question has 15 updoots

zyabin101

@TùxCräftîñg All window managers are equal.

TùxCräftîñg

no

i3 is objectively the best

zyabin101

1:26 PM

yes

ASCII-only

@Dennis Well, you could just use XFCE with compiz/other compositor supporting window spread, but IDK if that offers any performance benefits over KDE

Jonathan Allan

@betseg :D time for coffee!

Dennis

@zyabin101 Mutter certainly isn't. It's even worse than compiz.

zyabin101

@TùxCräftîñg i3 is you think that it's the best.

Geobits

@TùxCräftîñg I'm fairly sure that's not even close to true :P

TùxCräftîñg

1:27 PM

?

zyabin101

Well, some wms are more equal than others.

@Dennis ^

Dennis

@ASCII-only You can certainly use Xfce with KWin, but I like KDE/Plasma. Compiz is the worst part of Unity, and that's saying something.

Geobits

I knew there was gonna be a dig at Unity in there somewhere ;)

Dennis

60% of my beef with Unity is compiz. The remainder is the utter lack of customization.

I miss the Dash and HUD though.

ASCII-only

@Dennis Would installing kubuntu-desktop add an option to choose between KDE/Unity at login?

Geobits

1:30 PM

I use it because it's good enough and the default. To be honest, all major WMs are good enough now to be usable, and that's all that really matters.

Oh, and I'm not a fan of default/enforced tiling.

Dennis

@ASCII-only Sure.

@Geobits It's been a while since I used GNOME, but when I did, it was not usable. Mutter crashed more times than I could count.

Geobits

Hmm, yeah I haven't tried GNOME in years, so that may be true. No idea what the situation is now.

Dennis

Instability aside, GNOME rocks with touchscreens though.

Geobits

Never tried it with a touchscreen

TùxCräftîñg

now GNOME is pretty stable

betseg

1:34 PM

i used gnome more than i used i3, gnome is pretty stable.

Dennis

I don't have one, but when I sold one to a coworker, I asked for his permission and booted up a Live CD. KDE is unusable with touch, but GNOME is really nice. All of the sudden, those weird design choices started to make sense.

betseg

most of gnome gui look like android

Geobits

If I had a touch laptop I might try that out. I just have a poor-man's Dell :P

seshoumara

LCARS anyone? :D

Geobits

It has to be better than Win8 on a touchscreen if nothing else, right? ;)

@seshoumara Only if I can talk to it the same way.

Dennis

1:38 PM

I'm pretty happy with my laptop. Too bad Linux has such poor support for touchpads. I should publish my gesture suite some day.

seshoumara

true

my touchpad doesn't even work on 12.04 Ubuntu

but never bothered me

zyabin101

@seshoumara LCARS?

Geobits

I'm generally happy with my laptop too. It's just frustrating how slow it is compared to my desktop. Unfair of me? Yes. Still frustrating when I'm trying to run anything intensive.

Dennis

Mine does, but there's no support for three+ finger gesture and even some two finger ones.

Geobits

@seshoumara 12.04? No wonder the touchpad doesn't work.

Dennis

1:40 PM

@seshoumara Why are you still on 12.04? o_O

ninja'd

seshoumara

@zyabin101 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCARS

it is a fictional OS and visual interface from Star Trek

Geobits

A heavily copyrighted fictional interface at that.

(which seems ridiculous to me, but whatever)

seshoumara

because I change OSes once every decade

my last OS was Windows XP

*previous

Geobits

Any particular reason? It's not hard to upgrade, and I doubt there's any real learning curve from 12.04 to the latest.

TùxCräftîñg

github.com/apple/swift

o_o swift is os

Geobits

1:43 PM

Just better support for modern things like touchscreens :P

seshoumara

@Geobits it is a bit ridiculous, but they have the money to enforce it, I've seen apps brought down or fan projects of shells with similar look brought down

Geobits

Oh I know, that's what I meant. I've seen it too.

zyabin101

@TùxCräftîñg Aww yiss, Jenkins builds Swift on Ubuntu!

> CMake. CMake is the core infrastructure used to configure builds of Swift and its companion projects; at least version 3.4.3 is required.

coincidence?

seshoumara

as for OSes, it's not the learning curve, I have lots of virtual boxes from Arch distro, LFS builds and windows, just convenience. I play with the new ones in VBox for a week or so.

TùxCräftîñg

github.com/mirah/mirah

> Fast as Java

Geobits

1:47 PM

@seshoumara Ah, ok. So it's not just a "I don't wanna change" thing.

betseg

$ adb push /mnt/depo/android/cm-13.0-20160909-NIGHTLY-klte.zip /data/media/0/
adb: error: failed to copy '/mnt/depo/android/cm-13.0-20160909-NIGHTLY-klte.zip' to '/data/media/0/': Permission denied

TùxCräftîñg

how to take this?

betseg

halp

TùxCräftîñg

@betseg /data/media/0 is RO?

Geobits

@TùxCräftîñg Fairly well? Java is faster than a lot of languages unless you're being stupid with it.

TùxCräftîñg

1:47 PM

ಠ_ಠ

no java is slow

betseg

@TùxCräftîñg is it? i cant find my files. no /sdcard, no /storage, nothing

Dennis

Languages do not have speeds. Implementations do.

Although for Java, the line is blurry.

seshoumara

:)

Geobits

@TùxCräftîñg Versus what? C? Yeah, sure.

Oh, right. Gotta be PC about it.

Dennis

All programming languages are either C or stamp collecting.

Optimizer

1:51 PM

PC - pretty careful ?

betseg

$ adb shell
shell@klte:/ $ su
root@klte:/ # ls
acct          firmware          init.usb.configfs.rc seapp_contexts
cache         firmware-modem    init.usb.rc          selinux_version
charger       fstab.qcom        init.zygote32.rc     sepolicy
config        init              mnt                  service_contexts
d             init.cm.rc        oem                  storage
data          init.environ.rc   proc                 sys
default.prop  init.qcom.rc      property_contexts    system
dev           init.qcom.usb.rc  res                  tombstones

halp where are my files

TùxCräftîñg

github.com/lhartikk/ArnoldC

4600 stars O__________O

Geobits

@betseg What device model/etc?

betseg

@Geobits Samsung Galaxy S5 G900F klte

Geobits

/storage/extSdCard/ maybe?

oh wait...

You do have an sdcard in right now and mounted, right?

betseg

1:55 PM

nope

TimmyD

Jeez. Y'all are chatty this morning. :D

Dennis

@betseg Try /storage/self/primary. Works on my phone.

betseg

> root@klte:/ # ls /storage/self/ -l
total 0

Geobits

What files are you looking for exactly?

betseg

@Geobits internal storage ._.

Geobits

1:58 PM

Huh. That's supposed to be /storage/emulated/0, I'm almost positive.

zyabin101

@betseg I know /storage/sdcard0 and /storage/emulated/0. Try these.

half-ninja'd

betseg

> root@klte:/ # ls /storage
emulated self
root@klte:/ # ls /storage/emulated/ -l
total 0

Geobits

Do you have an on-device file manager you can try with?

Dennis

o_O Just su and use adb pull.

betseg

@Geobits its borked since i upgraded cm

seshoumara

2:00 PM

borked?

Geobits

Oh, it's CM. No wonder it's not working right >_>

betseg

in fact almost everything is borked

seshoumara

is that a word?

betseg

@Geobits its been working since may. i was worried that cm lost their soul

@seshoumara it means its broken or something

Geobits

broken -> broked -> borked :D

seshoumara

2:01 PM

;))

TùxCräftîñg

@seshoumara borked is the civilised way to say broken

seshoumara

language evolution

at its finest

zyabin101

I'm going to create a Notepad++ user defined lang for Logicode. Which colours do you want?

TùxCräftîñg

the sublime and the vim one have the same

so take the same as the sublime/vim one

TimmyD

Bork Bork

2

Geobits

2:05 PM

Just run a file search for something you know is there. Then you'll find the path. Screw manually searching :P

betseg

@Geobits i did, only /data/media/0 showed up

TùxCräftîñg

"Writing less code simplifies maintenance and tends to create fewer opportunities for introducing bugs": Come over to code golf and you'll get some great tips on how to simplify maintenance. ;-P — Stewie Griffin 7 hours ago

trichoplax

@TùxCräftîñg That's still on the starboard ;)

Geobits

@betseg According to a random post on CM forum, you might need to switch USB modes (to something else like charging, then back to MTP) before it will work right. Sounds stupid to me, but worth a try I guess.

TimmyD

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ This is modern art.

betseg

2:13 PM

@Geobits didnt work

wateva ill just sideload the new version when my mom comes home

zyabin101

betseg

when my mom comes bcoz

zyabin101

^^^ How's my Logicode colouring in Notepad++ ?

Geobits

Seems like gates/operators would be their own color

seshoumara

a and b are not operators, btw know nothing of Logicode, but to me they should be of a diff color

zyabin101

2:16 PM

^

I think the operator colours don't show up good.

TùxCräftîñg

@zyabin101 and for number coloration?

Beta Decay

@zyabin101 How do you create syntax highlighting for Np++?

zyabin101

I create an "User Defined Language".

TimmyD

@betseg I don't understand the bottom-right image. Can you explain?

Beta Decay

I see. That could be useful

zyabin101

2:19 PM

You can also export user defined languages and share them. :3

Beta Decay

Neat

betseg

@TimmyD its twrp. it flashes roms etc

Optimizer

Best Volleyball Blocks Ever with Scott Sterling

►

TimmyD

@betseg Thanks. I use a Windows Phone, so I'm only vaguely familiar with ROM flashing.

TùxCräftîñg

@TimmyD you use WHAT?????

TimmyD

2:22 PM

Nokia Lumia Icon

TùxCräftîñg

ಠ_______________________________ಠ

betseg

._.

TùxCräftîñg

winphone is worse than iphone

betseg

at least ios is an unix-like system

zyabin101

Ah! UDL 2.0 recognizes decimal digits automatically!

@TùxCräftîñg Coming right up.

TimmyD

2:23 PM

It's currently 2-1/2 years old, but I'm trying to hold out for a Surface Phone

Optimizer

me too

its just not called icon here, its 930

did u install windows 10 ?

TimmyD

Yeah. Icon is the Verizon-branded US-only variant. Lumia 930 everywhere else.

TùxCräftîñg

plz dont use a windows phone

use a good phone

a android

TimmyD

@Optimizer No, I haven't. Still running 8.1 Update

Optimizer

install it.

much much better

TimmyD

2:26 PM

@TùxCräftîñg What makes an Android phone better?

aditsu

print "hello, world!"

TùxCräftîñg

it's open source

Optimizer

@TùxCräftîñg raight. barely any android phone has the open source version

Ahahahaha

ik

2:27 PM

but it's better than a entirely closed source thing

zyabin101

^^ New Logicode syntax highlighting.

TùxCräftîñg

@zyabin101 good

Optimizer

@TùxCräftîñg at least they take constant feedback from millions of insider users now

aditsu

@TimmyD Linux and java-based, very flexible, developed by a non-evil company

TùxCräftîñg

2:28 PM

^

aditsu

with lots of device choices and good value for money

Geobits

Ecosystem is the main thing. Ridiculously large user and app base.

TimmyD

Android phones are open source in the same way that Mac OSX is open source simply because it's based on BSD.

Geobits

Works flawlessly with other Google products I use.

TimmyD

@aditsu If you honestly think Google isn't evil, you haven't been paying attention.

Optimizer

2:29 PM

@Geobits i agree about app. but with UWP and huge windows PC base, i think things have improved a lot.

devs create uwp app for PC, it works on phone

zyabin101

@TùxCräftîñg Okay exporting, doing final touches in the resulting file, submitting.

TùxCräftîñg

@TimmyD google is only half-evil. microsoft is entirely evil

@Optimizer uwp is bad

Optimizer

and you know all about it, right ?

TùxCräftîñg

i cant install 5GB to create a uwp application

Optimizer

@TùxCräftîñg MS has open sourced so many things in past year. powershell, chakra etc.

@TùxCräftîñg lol

TùxCräftîñg

2:31 PM

@microsoft now plz opensource windows

TimmyD

@Geobits That's the big thing for me. I haven't gone down the Google rabbit-hole. I use Outlook for email, OneDrive for storage, Xbox for gaming, etc.

TùxCräftîñg

@TimmyD watwatwat

aditsu

@Optimizer kinda like a tiger trying to be vegan?

TùxCräftîñg

you use a gaming console??????????????????????????????????????

Geobits

Why wouldn't he use a console? Now I don't know why he chose Xbox as his console, but that's another story...

TimmyD

2:32 PM

Ecosystem.

TùxCräftîñg

pc gaming masterrace

muddyfish

the only game consoles I've ever had were Nintendo ones for the exclusives

Optimizer

@aditsu better than being stuck onto past.

aditsu

@TimmyD oh jeez, I'm so sorry to hear that

Optimizer

@Geobits well, we dont need PS now with PS NOW :P

Geobits

2:33 PM

I like consoles. Devs write programs for a set architecture and system and things just work.

TimmyD

I actually have several consoles. NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, GameCube, Wii, 360, One, PS3, PS4

I also just dropped ~$3500 for a new gaming laptop

TùxCräftîñg

console >PS1 are bad

too many 3D

Optimizer

oh, talking bout console, UWP apps made for xbox automatically work with pc and phone :D

Geobits

Too many 3D? I don't even know what that means.

Optimizer

33333D

muddyfish

2:35 PM

I have GameGear, N64, PS1*2, PS2*2, GB, GBC, GBA, NDS, GC, Xbox, Wii, 3DS

aditsu

the only place where I've seen too many 3D is in mime-encoded emails

Geobits

I mean sure, if all you play are retro-style 2D games, there's probably no point buying a PS4. A Vita maybe, but Sony tries really hard not to care about the Vita.

zyabin101

@muddyfish :O

TimmyD

2

Geobits

Hmm, right now we have a GBC, DS, 3DS, PS3, PS4, Wii, Wii U, and Vita in the house.

seshoumara

2:36 PM

when younger had a lot of those yellow game cartridges, what a life back then: TVs with electrode tubes, play cassettes, radios larger than my microwave

Geobits

Plus emulators for basically everything else.

zyabin101

@Geobits :O

TimmyD

Oh, and an Atari 2600 and Commodore VIC-20 that aren't currently hooked up.

aditsu

I have null :)

zyabin101

:O

muddyfish

2:37 PM

I forgot I have an Atari

TimmyD

I think I have a clamshell GBA hanging around somewhere, too

zyabin101

I only have an Xbox 360, right behind me to the left.

Optimizer

thanks for that info

zyabin101

To the left of me is the AC adapter.

Geobits

@TimmyD Oh I have one of those in the closet too :)

Optimizer

2:38 PM

@Geobits time for it to come out of the closet

TùxCräftîñg

i have a 10-years old laptop

does this qualify as a retro thing?

Geobits

No

seshoumara

no way

Geobits

Oh, and I have a PSTV too, but that thing is a complete waste of money.

Seriously. Don't get one.

Seriously.

muddyfish

I had a philips cd-i

seshoumara

2:39 PM

anyone has a Steam box?

muddyfish

@seshoumara yes

doesn't really count though

TùxCräftîñg

@muddyfish #linksfaceofevil?

muddyfish

@TùxCräftîñg pretty much

seshoumara

yes, I was curious

Geobits

@muddyfish Man I really wanted one of those when I was a kid. I used to play the demo setups in department stores :P

muddyfish

2:41 PM

@Geobits there really weren't that many (any?) decent games on it though were there?

TùxCräftîñg

the games on this console are cool

Geobits

@muddyfish Well no, but I was a kid :D

Optimizer

5

Geobits

They finally removed the space shuttle jack. Courage

muddyfish

@Optimizer quite a big phone there

Geobits

2:43 PM

Nah, it's a perspective illusion. Like the tiny room setups.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@TimmyD Yes.

DJMcMayhem

If I'm ever awarded a bronze php badge I'm pretty sure I'd like to have it removed ;-) — Lucas Trzesniewski yesterday

Wise move Lucas. Wise move...

Geobits

> You think you have it bad? I have a gold [php] badge.

zyabin101

github.com/LogicodeLang/Logicode/pull/17

TimmyD

@Optimizer Relevant: Apple Plug

DJMcMayhem

2:48 PM

@Geobits That's the SO equivalent of if when you get a java badge.

aditsu

php is the philosopher's kryptonite: turns gold into lead

Geobits

@DJMcMayhem I don't think it'll ever happen here. Not enough java-tagged questions for it. I have gold [android] and bronze [java] on SO though ;)

TùxCräftîñg

-60

Q: Rename the Necromancer badge

I would like the 'Necromancer' badge to be renamed to something more neutral, please. Generally this term refers to a person practising black magic or witchcraft. I earned this badge but I don't want myself to be associated with this term. Let the community decide what would be the new name. I i...

the meaning of life is not 42, nor -15, its -60

Sp3000

> It would be easier to convert gold into lead via neutron capture and beta decay by leaving gold in a nuclear reactor for a long period of time.

Hmm... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_transmutation

... does that work? (haven't chemistry'd for a long time)

aditsu

@DJMcMayhem I'm proud of my java badge (on SO)

TùxCräftîñg

2:51 PM

@BetaDecay can tranform gold into lead?

Fatalize

"Revivalist, Resurrector, Restorer, Regenerator"

These are less neutral than necromancer

TùxCräftîñg

66

A: Rename the Necromancer badge

Disclaimer: Yes, this answer pokes fun at this feature request. It is meant to illustrate that, if we were to change this badge, there'd be no end to people wanting badges changed for the most ridiculous of reasons. Where would we draw the line? Contrary to what's implied in the comments, this ...

> Illuminator: Illuminati confirmed.

Geobits

How about instead of Necromancer we call it Messiah-Maker? That's what bringing someone back from the dead does, right? Nothing offensive there :)

zyabin101

Keep name Necromancer.

Geobits

[evil-black-magic-user-who-brings-things-back-from-the-dead-in-an-unholy-way]

seshoumara

2:57 PM

imgur.com/a/MFte7

TimmyD

[Lazurus-er]

TùxCräftîñg

seshoumara

that's the syntax highlighter for brainfuck that I wrote

TùxCräftîñg

:O

@seshoumara does this handle any type of 'tail loop' as comment or only [-][ comment ]?

Geobits

@TùxCräftîñg I have three of those here too :D

TùxCräftîñg

2:59 PM

5

A: Golf you a quine for great good!

INTERCALL, 126 bytes INTERCALL IS A ANTIGOLFING LANGUAGE SO THIS HEADER IS HERE TO PREVENT GOLFING IN INTERCALL THE PROGRAM STARTS HERE: QUINE END With a newline at the end. Even with a "QUINE" command, the code is insanely long xD

seshoumara

only this exact expression [-][...]

TùxCräftîñg

it look like a cheating quine, but it's overly long so idk

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