The Nineteenth Byte

TùxCräftîñg

3:00 PM

@seshoumara can you handle also any type of tail loop/loops at the start of the file?

seshoumara

give me a code example

Geobits

Huh. My rarest badge here is Electorate. Have only 32 people really voted that much?

El'endia Starman

@TùxCräftîñg That guy complained on C.SE too.

DJMcMayhem

@Geobits I've got a couple on meta, but nothing on main

TùxCräftîñg

.____________________.

TimmyD

3:01 PM

@Geobits Hey, I did my part as of a couple days ago.

TùxCräftîñg

@seshoumara [this is a comment]+++++[>+++++<-][this is a comment too]

aditsu

I'm a level-8 necromancer, muhahaha

TùxCräftîñg

::::::::::::::::::O

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman That seems especially odd, given Lazarus and all.

seshoumara

@TùxCräftîñg yes, it does

El'endia Starman

3:03 PM

@Geobits Necromancy is black magic, though.

Fatalize

Which doesn't exist

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman More generally, it's communicating with the dead. Which many Christians will tell you is absolutely possible.

aditsu

and most scientists will tell you it's not

Geobits

Well sure :P

betseg

whats necromancer

zyabin101

3:06 PM

@betseg +necromancer, a badge.

Answer a question more than 60 days later with score of 5 or more.

oh ok

2

@Geobits My rarest is bronze Kolmogorov-Complexity -- only 23 people.

zyabin101

My rarest is Fanatic.

Geobits

Oh I didn't look at tag badges. Lemme check, but I doubt I have one that rare.

Yeah, only tag badge I have is [code-golf]. I wish [koth] had enough questions for a badge >_<

TùxCräftîñg

3:09 PM

i will have fanatic in 33 days

Beta Decay

Mine is either kolmogorov complexity or strunk and white

zyabin101

@TùxCräftîñg Good news!

> It's just you. inference.phy.cam.ac.uk is up.

aditsu

how can you tell which ones are rare?

Beta Decay

You look at how many people have been awarded the badge

DJMcMayhem

My rarest is about to be reviewer, but I've still got some to go...

Geobits

3:11 PM

codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/badges

TimmyD

@aditsu If you look at your profile page, the badges on the bottom show the rarest

aditsu

@TimmyD on every column?

DJMcMayhem

My two rarest: Proofreader and Synonymizer

El'endia Starman

@Geobits Hmm. I don't think it's quite that clear cut. There is indeed a story in the Old Testament where King Saul, via a witch, summons the prophet Samuel's ghost. He gets heavily criticized for it though, and even the witch is surprised. On the other hand, you do have the Catholic and Orthodox traditions of praying "to" the saints, but even there, they're not dead, they're alive in a different place. Now, if you're talking about really superstitious Christians, you're probably right.

Beta Decay

Okay, Inquisitive, Strunk & White and Kolmogorov Complexity are mine: they all have 23 users

TimmyD

3:13 PM

@aditsu Yeah, so, for example, your rarest gold is the tag badge for Code-Golf. Next-rarest would be Great Answer. Your rarest silver badge is Outspoken. Etc.

aditsu

@TimmyD code-golf is at the top though

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman Right. I don't mean that it necessarily has a strict biblical basis. I live in the southern US, though, and I can tell you that people pray to their dead relatives all the time. Not to even mention scammy-seeming faith-healers and such.

El'endia Starman

@Geobits Yeah, I don't run around in those circles. :P

TimmyD

@aditsu Yep. The columns are in decreasing rarity (i.e., most rare at the top)

Geobits

> As a courtesy, we want you to know that your water consumption appears higher than normal and our analysis of your water consumption data indicates a possible leak of billable water on the customer side of the meter. We encourage you to look and listen for leaks, such as a running toilet. Leaks can occur outside as well, so check your faucets and grounds for wet spots.

If you cannot identify any leaks, you may want to have a certified plumber check your system.

Crap

DJMcMayhem

3:16 PM

@TimmyD That's not true for me. My rarest silver is inquisitive (23) and it shows a bunch of more common ones above it.

aditsu

@TimmyD I think we mean entirely different things by "columns"

DJMcMayhem

Oh, I'm looking in the wrong spot.

nmd

Jonathan Allan

@BetaDecay haven't laught so hard in a while thanks!

seshoumara

@TùxCräftîñg and this is the xml code for the bf highlighter if anyone needs it pastebin.com/vAyhtiSn

Beta Decay

@Geobits Are you sure you haven't just been using more water?

@JonathanAllan :D

Geobits

3:17 PM

@BetaDecay Well, I've been using more this week than last week, but that's because the power was out last week and I was out of town. I assume they compare it on a slightly longer timeframe though. Gonna look around outside for a start though.

Jonathan Allan

First thing I thought of before he spoke was ...

The IT Crowd - Assistance (Season4)

►

Beta Decay

XD

TimmyD

@aditsu You're looking at your Profile page, right?

aditsu

@TimmyD I was looking at the activity -> badges part

Beta Decay

@Geobits So what happens if it's a leak in the mains water pipe leading to your house? Would they still bill you if you don't find a leak?

TimmyD

3:19 PM

@aditsu Yeah. I don't know what sort of sorting the activity -> badges uses

aditsu

oooh, I see "rarest" on the main profile page

TùxCräftîñg

where is the logicode chat room?

Geobits

@BetaDecay If it's on the "house" side of the connection/meter, yes.

It would only register as here if it was past the meter.

Jonathan Allan

hhhhhwwwiiiieeeeel

oh ... while

TùxCräftîñg

found

Beta Decay

3:21 PM

@Geobits Oh yeah, of course

zyabin101

aditsu

@TimmyD still, doesn't show how many people earned each one.. I probably have to cross-reference?

Geobits

That's why I just linked to the badges page that gives actual numbers and little checkmarks that show yours.

It just doesn't show numbers for tag badges (except total in each class).

aditsu

@zyabin101 is that one of those fancy "driving" input methods?

TimmyD

Yeah, you can either click into each one and see the awarded # there, or do what Geobits suggests and just scan through the entire list

zyabin101

3:24 PM

@aditsu Yup, it's Dasher.

Geobits

That's an image of something that works? I thought it was something you were sending in to tech support.

aditsu

it doesn't look quite right..

zyabin101

@Geobits No, it works.

(the final few chars were a small twentism on Dasher's part.)

aditsu

wat, only 8 people have restricted-source?

Beta Decay

@zyabin101 Are you sure it works? It looks it's been completely screwed up

Geobits

3:28 PM

@aditsu I think there'll be less than that with [king-of-the-hill] if we ever get nine more questions to hit the 100 threshold.

zyabin101

@BetaDecay It's normal.

aditsu

@Geobits bronze badge, 20 answers

TimmyD

There's only one person with date, one person with grid, and two people with quine ... and I'll give you two guesses to get all four correct.

Geobits

@aditsu Yeah, but the tag itself has to have 100 questions or nobody can get the badge. There are a few with over 20 answers.

Adnan

@TimmyD Martin and Dennis?

aditsu

3:30 PM

oh, I see

TimmyD

@Adnan Nailed it in one

TùxCräftîñg

@TimmyD date and quine: Dennis

TimmyD

Surprisingly, the two with a silver ascii-art badge are not Martin and Dennis

TùxCräftîñg

o.o

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD Helka? No wait, he makes those challenges.

Geobits

3:36 PM

Martin and edc?

aditsu

runer?

or maybe optimizer?

TùxCräftîñg

Aug 2 at 19:15, by TùxCräftîñg

wat

What is that?

idk

Zalgo cat?

3:39 PM

ah no

i tried to use a fancy effect with a nuclear explosion and a cat on paint.net

Beta Decay

Gah, too fancy

aditsu

dat poor kitteh

Geobits

Cat got into the shrooms again.

3

seshoumara

or dark magic

Beta Decay

El'endia Starman

3:42 PM

@Geobits I applaud the punniness of this.

Geobits

Purely unintentional, I assure you ;)

El'endia Starman

@Geobits Those are the best ones.

aditsu

idgi, must be tired

ah, nucular shrooms

El'endia Starman

@aditsu Nuclear explosions produce mushroom clouds.

aditsu

right

Geobits

3:50 PM

Hmm. Yes, 1500 gallons per day does seem a bit excessive.

What the hell.

aditsu

what's that in real units?

wtf, 5678 L?

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman Geobits got it -- Martin and edc are the two silver ascii-art users

Geobits

@aditsu Exactly.

For the last few days, apparently.

TimmyD

1500 gallons per day?

Geobits

No wonder they sent me an alert.

aditsu

3:51 PM

I didn't know you were so thirsty

Geobits

Gotta stay hydrated ya know.

TùxCräftîñg

5.5T of water o_o

TimmyD

Did you accidentally install an Olympic-sized swimming pool in the back yard and are slowly filling it?

aditsu

@TimmyD so Martin was one of them

TimmyD

Yeah, tricksy wording

Geobits

3:53 PM

@TimmyD Oh right. I forgot I did that. That explains it.

aditsu

it happens..

El'endia Starman

What's the normal daily water usage?

Geobits

To put it into perspective, I used 1600 gallons during the entire month of August.

TimmyD

Yeah. I accidentally installed a surfshop in my back yard and couldn't figure out where all my vegetables and blenders went.

El'endia Starman

Oh, wow.

Geobits

3:55 PM

So only ~30x normal. Not too bad >_<

TùxCräftîñg

>>> ~30 & ((1<<64)-1)
18446744073709551585

this is a lot of water

El'endia Starman

I wonder what the water company uses for the cutoff between "Okay, you're using more water than normal." and "Okay, you can't possibly be using this much water.".

aditsu

a bit over 1 "gallon"/min

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman Unsure. I used to work for the utility dept, but on different projects.

I could probably call someone and find out :P

I'm starting to think the meter is just broken. There's no way I'm dumping a gallon a minute without knowing it. I've had water leaks at other places before. It's usually really obvious by the giant puddle in the yard.

aditsu

could it just be going into the drain?

Geobits

3:59 PM

There isn't a drain between the meter and fixtures/appliances though. Or shouldn't be.

aditsu

¯\_(o_º)_/¯

TimmyD

Did you check for a hose attached to an outside spigot that runs across the yard to a neighbor's house?

Geobits

Ok, well, scratch that. It's definitely leaking. Time to call a plumber.

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Q: Bytes for changing a configuration file before running a program?

In this answer using Python's turtle module, I discovered that some default settings for the turtles are set in a configuration file called turtle.cfg, which is read at import time. Can I change this as part of my program, and how would the changes be scored in bytes, if at all? Example: I cou...

Geobits

Right at the meter. It's running off down the gutter in the road.

zyabin101

4:04 PM

Yay, 800 rep!

TimmyD

The meter is leaking? That's kinda ironic.

Geobits

Yeah. Looks like right on this side of the connection >_<

mbomb007

4:15 PM

@EasterlyIrk I did it!

Turtles FTW!

Sp3000

@NewMetaPosts I legitimately can't think of a good solution for this, just a ton of problems this raises :/

zyabin101

in Sandbox, 16 mins ago, by zyabin101

Which ASCII character do you like? :3

(Aww, I wish I could use an adaptive font in other apps...)

TùxCräftîñg

truth machine in straw: (1>:&)(:&) <1='

zyabin101

@TùxCräftîñg Straw?

TùxCräftîñg

my new string manipulation language

zyabin101

4:29 PM

Okai :3

Also, which ASCII character do you like?

TùxCräftîñg

its not yet on GH

` is my favorite character

zyabin101

Okay.

TùxCräftîñg

because it's hard to insert it in markdown

zyabin101

Here is your ` in a frame. :3

It's bronze right now. If you are good enough, I can grant you a silver one, a gold one...

TùxCräftîñg

ASCII badges?

zyabin101

4:35 PM

Yes :3

However, there will be other codepages.

BabelStone apps have a composite font, which is majik.

It becomes better as you download broader fonts, which cover more Unicode ranges.

aditsu

zyabin101

@aditsu Ah, that one is an unrenderable char.

betseg

@zyabin101 has to be ascii?

zyabin101

@betseg Yeah.

(However, I'll giveaway other codepages' character badges.

betseg

@zyabin101 not even extended ascii?

zyabin101

4:42 PM

Nope, only range U+0000..U+007F.

betseg

oh ok then

0x07

U+0007

i like 0xdc Ü btw. looks like it's happy

zyabin101

Here's your U+0007, in a frame. :3

It's bronze right now. If you are good enough, I can grant you a silver one, a gold one...

TùxCräftîñg

i am working on the docs for straw

i will release it soon

zyabin101

:D

aditsu

@zyabin101 that looks more like my character :p

zyabin101

4:47 PM

@aditsu What is your char?

aditsu

8 mins ago, by aditsu

betseg

@zyabin101 can you, like, put U+0007 on top and ␇ on middle?

zyabin101

Okay, when I giveaway the 2400..247F codepage, I'll grant you a U+2407 SYMBOL FOR BELL, and possibly upgrade it :3

@betseg I can but I don't want.

betseg

@zyabin101 ._.

Whatever i can do it with html, ill do it when i go home

zyabin101

Okay, my composite font is a combination of Arial, Courier New, Estrangelo Edessa, Gautami, Kartika, Latha, Lucida Sans Unicode, MV Boli, Mangal, Microsoft Sans Serif, Open Sans (a portable font), Palatino Linotype, Raavi, Shruti, Sylfaen, Times New Roman, Tunga, Vrinda and Webdings.

It fully covers five out of 256 blocks and 3.3% of Unicode 8.0 (3,938 out of 120,737 characters exactly).

betseg

4:52 PM

Use some Roboto too its beautiful and open source

zyabin101

Okai :3

betseg

Also, Ubuntu font. It's gorgeous.

aditsu

add noto and symbola for moar chars

betseg

Yeah Noto is CJK, Hindi etc thing of Roboto

aditsu

I thought they were different fonts

zyabin101

4:56 PM

If Open Sans contributed as much Unicode blocks as possible to the composite font (applied over the current automatic settings), the resulting composite font will fully cover only fower out of 256 blocks and 2.2% of Unicode 8.0 (2,649 out of 120,737 chars exactly).

TùxCräftîñg

github.com/tuxcrafting/straw

zyabin101

That costs 1,289 chars.

betseg

> Noto is the standard typeface on Android for all languages not covered by Roboto.

TùxCräftîñg

@zyabin101 -1 no dejavu

betseg

Halp i think i know what caused the tging

When i try to download images or take screenshots it says no sd card found

probably cm tho

zyabin101

4:59 PM

@TùxCräftîñg I only pick fonts from Google Fonts... But I can pick other free fonts too, good idea :3

betseg

Ubuntu tho. Its beautiful too

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Q: What's your next move?

This challenge is to write a minimax function in a language of your choice, to output the next best move in an NxN game of tic-tac-toe given the current board state. The board input can be accepted as a Matrix, 2D Collection or anything else that makes sense to you, but adheres to the rules. The ...

code-golf code-challenge game

Optimizer

Firefox is not removing the headphone jack.

Tweeted by andymckay on September 9, 2016 at 4:53 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Is it a Bumpy Word? code-golf string (inspired by this challenge over on Puzzling) If a letter in a word occurs alphabetically later than the previous letter in the word, we call that a rise between the two letters. Otherwise, including if it's the same letter, it's called a fall. For example...

Geobits

brb changing WONTFIX to COURAGE in my issue trackers

Tweeted by brianleroux on September 7, 2016 at 6:38 PM

zyabin101

5:11 PM

I re-ran PortableApps, and now the Open Sans font is replaced with DejaVu fonts.

This fares so well!

Fully covers twenty six out of 256 blocks! 5.8% of Unicode 8.0!

(6,980 out of 120,737 characters exactly)

TùxCräftîñg

wait

i have a problem

how to unittest random?

aditsu

statistical tests

Statistical randomness

A numeric sequence is said to be statistically random when it contains no recognizable patterns or regularities; sequences such as the results of an ideal dice roll, or the digits of π exhibit statistical randomness. Statistical randomness does not necessarily imply "true" randomness, i.e., objective unpredictability. Pseudorandomness is sufficient for many uses, such as statistics, hence the name statistical randomness. Global randomness and local randomness are different. Most philosophical conceptions of randomness are global—because they are based on the idea that "in the long run" a sequence...

TùxCräftîñg

fixed

Kernel#srand

aditsu

that will make sure it's NOT random :p

quartata

5:29 PM

Anyone play Clash Royale? I was pondering a dumbed-down version of it as a KoTH but I can't decide what subset of troops I'd like

(or whether it would be that interesting)

TùxCräftîñg

i used to play it

halp

how to unittest io in ruby

Geobits

Unit testing is for chumps (sorry, I'm just that bored).

TùxCräftîñg

watwatwat

Sp3000

@Dennis Any comments regarding MetaConfigScript™? (see comments of DJ's answer)

Dennis

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A: Bytes for changing a configuration file before running a program?

Pre-existing configuration files As long as there's a publicly available configuration file that is bundled with the package or the interpreter (e.g., whatever can be downloaded from a webpage with revision history or comes with apt-get install ... or pip install ...), and this configuration fil...

zyabin101

5:35 PM

I forgot what are the recommended first four glyphs in a font, and what they should be mapped to.

Geobits

@zyabin101 AY^;

Sp3000

@Dennis I saw, and that's why I'm asking - I don't see how it addresses the issue I'm trying to raise

zyabin101

Well, I do know what they are, but don't know what they should be mapped to.

aditsu

@zyabin101 this?

zyabin101

Yeah, this!

Dennis

5:38 PM

@Sp3000 Ah! I somehow missed the most important part of your comment (the location of the changed character). Deleting for now.

Sp3000

Yeah, general gist of it is I'm having trouble coming up with a reasonable solution that doesn't allow for loopholes like allowing arbitrarily many "1 byte" programs

TùxCräftîñg

test.rb:14: dynamic constant assignment
    STDIN = Tempfile.new "tmpi"
           ^
test.rb:15: dynamic constant assignment
    STDOUT = Tempfile.new "tmpo"
            ^
test.rb:27: dynamic constant assignment
    STDIN = IO.new 0
           ^
test.rb:28: dynamic constant assignment
    STDOUT = IO.new 1

;_;

quartata

If you've designed your IO right it should only really be in one small part that you don't need to unit test

Geobits

1) create golfing language with 256 mappings of 200+ characters each to operations 2) choose operation set depending on challenge by switching a single byte in the "config" 3) ... 4) Profit!

quartata

This is what Rotor did

zyabin101

5:41 PM

@aditsu And also the spec for TrueType specifying exactly what they should be mapped to. Way to go :3

Geobits

@quartata Terrible :(

quartata

except it was ascii only

Dennis

@quartata Then why isn't it golfy? :P

Geobits

I recall rotor vaguely, but also don't recall it really being used.

TùxCräftîñg

wat

quartata

5:41 PM

@Dennis Because I never fully developed it

TùxCräftîñg

i dd'ed a comment and syntax highlighting went off

Sp3000

@Dennis btw in case you're wondering, I have the same issue with the current way we score flags, but I just don't have a good solution so I don't say much about it :/

TùxCräftîñg

github.com/tuxcrafting/straw/commit/…

quartata

Oh god your commit messages

Why are you doing this

TùxCräftîñg

becuase i cant think of a commit messgae for this

^ typo heaven

Dennis

5:45 PM

@Sp3000 I guess we could add floor(log256(length of file)) (or something like that) bytes to determine the location of each change. Might be good to come up with a scoring method that encodes the diff.

aditsu

@quartata hey I know that guy! :p

Sp3000

@Dennis Yeah, something like that (but not exactly that) would be good - unfortunately the most fair solution would also probably be the most unintuitive and complex, which is annoying

betseg

Hi from the new nightly - not as laggy and buggy as the previous one

DJMcMayhem

@Sp3000 what if we just instead disallowed editing of configuration files?

TùxCräftîñg

::O

helka have a closed challenge

Sp3000

5:56 PM

That'd be optimal theoretically, but then the question is "what's a default config?"

TùxCräftîñg

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Q: “HHeelllloo,, EEaarrtthh!!”

Much like this challenge, write a program or function that takes no input and prints or returns the string Hello, Earth! with an optional trailing newline. The catch is that your program must be an even number of characters long, and each two character chunk of your program must consist of id...

code-golf string kolmogorov-complexity source-layout hello-world

Sp3000

(And also I'm not sure if there are any languages which heavily rely on the config)

DJMcMayhem

@TùxCräftîñg he has lots. Pobodys nerfect.

Sp3000

I think Calka has 2, but both of them are fairly recent

TùxCräftîñg

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A: “HHeelllloo,, EEaarrtthh!!”

Lenguage, 1354616599400377002855073561913010716386821416114463012 bytes It's 1354616599400377002855073561913010716386821416114463012 zeroes: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...00000000 It's this BF program: -[------->+<]>-.-[->+++++<]>++.++...

DJMcMayhem

5:57 PM

@Sp3000 If you can install the language fresh and run the solution, it's valid.

TùxCräftîñg

the longuest answer on PPCG

DJMcMayhem

(FWIW, I totally agree with you about the problems in my answer)

I like the idea behind it, but the execution is lacking (right now)

Sp3000

Hmm that's an interesting way of defining it (the fresh install formulation), I can't think of any immediate problems with that

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