The Nineteenth Byte

12:00 AM

I was mainly C/C++ before that, but I looked at the NDK guides and decided to learn Java instead.

back when I started branching out, I tried mobile dev. Between Obj-C and the confusing mess of android + java + xml, they both scared me off

Geobits

I like their XML layouts and such, but it does take some getting used to.

Downgoat

@Geobits is it seriously vandalism?

Nathan Merrill

if you guys want verbose, learn XSLT

Geobits

@Downgoat Putting stickers on stuff that isn't yours? What else would it be?

Helka Homba

12:02 AM

@Downgoat Ship me actual cheddar and we can talk

Geobits

Mild as far as vandalism goes, but still counts.

Quill

@Geobits yeah, I wouldn't mind trying out Android dev again someday, but for the meantime, JS keeps me happy

Downgoat

@Geobits If I lost my dog and I put up "lost dog please call 1-800-DWN-GOAT" signs all over town i mean sure it's "vandalism" but i doubt anyone's gonna care

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@Downgoat I voted yes, (and I actually would like cheddar stickers no joke) but I'm not planning on sticking them everywhere around town.

Downgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan >_> idk, idk how to advertise

Nathan Merrill

12:04 AM

you get all of the verbosity of XML, with prefixes on every keyword, and its purely functional

Downgoat

maybe ill go out to city center and just hand out "Cheddar" flyers to everyone who looks nerdy

Geobits

@Downgoat That's not the same as putting advertising stickers up :/

Quill

@Downgoat or spend the time to make the language awesome, and then do something flashy and report it on HackerNews

Downgoat

@Geobits it's not really advertising, I mean it's an open source project, it's not like I'm making money

Geobits

@Downgoat Find some place with a lot of Pokemon Go players around lol.

Downgoat

12:05 AM

@Quill i am a goat the most flashy thing I can do is make a goat remix :|

Nathan Merrill

advertising is independent of profits

Geobits

^

Downgoat

ooh found something:

51

Q: Open Source Advertising - 2H 2016

We're now entering the second half of 2016. And with it, we enter a new round of Free Vote-Based Advertising for Open Source Projects for Stack Overflow. We are clearing the leaderboards for the second half of the year. Here is your chance to create a Free Vote-Based Advertisement for an Open So...

Nathan Merrill

It must be an advertisement soliciting the participation and contribution of programmers writing actual source code

Downgoat

@NathanMerrill ok i guess it is advertising but still i highly doubt anyone will give a shit about you placing stickers on public bulletin boards.

Nathan Merrill

12:08 AM

@Downgoat it depends on the place, but for the most part, yeah

Downgoat

strawpoll.me/10741442

LegionMammal978

> lisa.convertio.me/p/nGKBSCXZx_GLgXq25WZFWw/…

^ Me trying to figure out how to use screen-recording software

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Ooh, I should make a neovim ad for the open source advertising.

Helka Homba

> 403 Forbidden

Nathan Merrill

that pinned message has been there for nearly 2 weeks

Helka Homba

12:22 AM

@LegionMammal978 Xsplit is decent and free btw

LegionMammal978

Okay, this link should work better:

s000.tinyupload.com/…

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

apparently, Mega offers 50GB of free storage

compared to Dropbox's 5GB

Helka Homba

@Downgoat strawpoll.me/10741558

Not private though

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@LegionMammal978 only 50GB per repository, public, and violates TOS

Helka Homba

Google drive gives you 15GB

Downgoat

12:28 AM

should a Cheddar shirt say "Cheddar" should it have the github?

LegionMammal978

^ wat

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@HelkaHomba yeah but 50GB is another magnitude bigger

Nathan Merrill

@LegionMammal978 translation?

LegionMammal978

@NathanMerrill No idea, just entered in a random Strawpoll poll ID

Also, MediaFire gives you 10GB free (but 1TB for only US$3.75/mo.!)

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

strawpoll.me/10741596

Nathan Merrill

12:32 AM

Who is the player Sugar

LegionMammal978

@NathanMerrill Fun fact: The poll has 0 responses

Downgoat

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC ;_; y no teascript

or javascript

LegionMammal978

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Mine is Mathematica/Mthmtca

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Should've gathered more options

LegionMammal978

(And yes, Mthmtca is a language)

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

12:34 AM

Hey, yo! What languages do you people like?

Downgoat

who would not want to wear this

Quill

needs to be higher up on the shirt

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat People going to a milk allergy conference

LegionMammal978

@Downgoat ._. dat photoshop doe

Downgoat

@Quill ok

LegionMammal978

12:35 AM

@Downgoat I'd wear it if you'd send it for free :p

Downgoat

@Quill but do u think the spacing between ches and "Cheddar" is good?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC for golfing?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat It needs a lens flair and the text "2.0" after it

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan yep

Quill

@Downgoat the spacing is okay, but I think the logo should be smaller and the name a tad bigger

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat jk

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

12:35 AM

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC In this order V-MATL-python.

Downgoat

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC wait srsly?

what sohuld be on the back?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat don't add it, unless you're going for sarcasm

Downgoat

I should have url somehwere...

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat github link and "by @Downgoat" in small letters

Quill

Oh btw @all, if you're into userscripts, there's a good burn script that lets you hide specific messages

Downgoat

12:38 AM

@Quill can i set the burn animation to automatically run on any message that says "Python"

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

you should say "On PPCG.SE @Downgoat Github <Github username> " blog twitter, etc.

Helka Homba

@Downgoat If you seriously want to advertise cheddar, stickers and t-shirts are not where you should focus your efforts.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat I have a cheap way to reach millions of geeks for 8 dollars for one million people

no joke

LegionMammal978

@Downgoat Maybe a small <github logo>: cheddar-lang/Cheddar?

Quill

Tshirts and stickers are for celebrating, Advertising should be making the language awesome

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

12:39 AM

^

LegionMammal978

^

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

it has to do with "Project Wonderful" and "explainxkcd.com" and "One-ad-everyone-sees" @Downgoat

Downgoat

@Quill yes ik

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

no

just no

Downgoat

@Quill tshirts won't even be effective at advertising but if i make tshirts i might as well put url on them

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

12:40 AM

github, blog, creator, github logo, etc.

Downgoat

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC ?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Yeah, I agree. (Not posting a caret though). The best thing you could do to advertise cheddar is write something useful/cool in it.

Downgoat

no one wants to wear a google search result

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat which message?

@Downgoat In small letters

Downgoat

?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

12:41 AM

Seriously, @Downgoat. projectwonderful.com/…

$3. All the geeks on explainxkcd.com

by auction

Downgoat

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC huh ok

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

40k a day according to chart @Downgoat

*visitors

`*link clicks

@Downgoat soon much cheaper than google adwords

plus only geeks

Downgoat

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC ik, will look at actual advertising later

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Cheddar will not be great until you do file IO

Downgoat

i just want to wear a tshirt

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ that'll take like 2 seconds

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ link to your file I/O npm package?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

12:46 AM

don't use that

please

it's too simple

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

^

Downgoat

>_> but fs is async

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

readFileSync

writeFileSync

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat add threading

Downgoat

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC multithreading?

nah

sounds hard

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

12:47 AM

cheddar needs support for the python library

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ >_> okay well now it won't take 2 seconds ;_;

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

you'd get like 3 million people instantly

Downgoat

file should be the file I/O library?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

'cause Python's greatest advantage is it's library

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat really? is readFileSync too hard

Downgoat

12:48 AM

FS? File?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

and that's why I won't switch

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'll have to write an encoding class, buffer class, etc.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

not too hard

Downgoat

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC not really

its stdlib is really bare

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ it will still take a while and lots of bug testing and pain

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat so? It's got PyBrain, numpy, django, and even antigravity

@Downgoat still much better than C++

Downgoat

12:50 AM

will have support for npm packages

writing an abstraction layer between Cheddar and Python will be scary

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

if you can have compatibility with Java, you can have compat with python

through Jython

then use JVM byte code wrapper to JS

your other OS gets me to 404

it was a really nice site, the 404

Downgoat

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC that'll be ridiculously slow tho

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC oh whoops

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

yeah, but then you can speed it up

once you got millions of programmers, you'll have the power of open source

it like makes cheddar 10000% more useful

@Downgoat you could just use C to make a wrapper

their API is real simple

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

how should a range behave when given notinteger arguments

Downgoat

1.1:5.5 currently gives 1.1 2.1 3.1 4.1 whereas it shiuld go up to 5.1

quartata

1:04 AM

@Downgoat You're gonna want to seriously consider how to handle encoding before you approach that kind of I/O

At this point I feel like I should be guarding Pytek's encoding system like a nuclear bomb recipe but eh

I think I've shown you messages about it before

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

the thing is, cyoce's function is not suited well for non-integers. it generates them backwards.

I think I could adapt it to go forwards tho

quartata

Also get generators/iterators first since reading will need them

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

range = (a, b) => {
    let out = Array(b - a + 1 | 0);
    let i = 0;
    while(a <= b) out[i++] = a++;
    return out;
}

seems to work nicely

now to add case when b < a then we're done I think

Downgoat

@quartata yeah?

what do you mean?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

range(3, 0.5)
Array [ 2.5, 1.5, 0.5 ]

does this make sense?

Downgoat

1:14 AM

O_O custom t-shirts are $42 each

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ what's output for range(1,5) and range(1.1,5.5)?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

range(1, 5)
Array [ 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ]
range(1.1, 5.5)
Array [ 1.1, 2.1, 3.1, 4.1, 5.1 ]

Downgoat

can you make it [a, b) :3

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

...m'kay

then range(3, 3) would be empty, no?

why not just have monadic : be a range from [0, n) and have the other be inclusive?

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ yeah

Nathan Merrill

1:32 AM

I think that range(3, 0.5) -> [3, 2, 1]

the automatic detection of direction is cool, but the first number is still "start" in my opinion

@Downgoat does cheddar have a three-param range function?

(aka, "step")?

Downgoat

no

range is an op

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

range(3, 0.5)
Array [ 3, 2, 1 ]
range(3, 1)
Array [ 3, 2, 1 ]

Downgoat

idk how ternary ops would work

Nathan Merrill

most languages technically have one

?:

Downgoat

that's a ternary, not a ternary operator

idk

Nathan Merrill

1:39 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ range(3,1) should be [3,2], no?

nope

^

it's inclusive

seems odd imo

@Downgoat no, it operates on three things?

wait, so range(1,3) is [1,2,3]?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:40 AM

we figured that the only use case of exclusive was [0, n), so that's the monadic version

Downgoat

i am confused but either way. ?: has really funky parsing which I don't want to attempt with range

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@NathanMerrill yes

Downgoat

^^^

Nathan Merrill

@Downgoat yeah, I agree

well, now that I think about it, its not that weird

we do the same sort of parsing with functions

funcname ( param , param2 )

you have three parts

boolean ? statement : statement

Downgoat

function parsing is done like:

Nathan Merrill

1:44 AM

regardless of parsability, three-part expressions can often reduce readability

LegionMammal978

An... interesting bash command I created (don't worry, it's not malicious, just an echo):

echo -e '\ec'$USER'@'$HOSTNAME':~$ rm -rf /\nrm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on '\''/'\''\nrm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe\n\e[1;31mOh, \e[7mrm\e[27m these days...\e[0m'

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

-e '\ec'$USER'@'$HOSTNAME':~$ rm -rf /\nrm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on '\''/'\''\nrm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe\n\e[1;31mOh, \e[7mrm\e[27m these days...\e[0m'

LegionMammal978

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You doing it in bash?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

nope, batch

LegionMammal978

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It currently only works in bash :|

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:46 AM

I know :3

El'endia Starman

@quartata Haha, yeah, don't worry about it. We're still gonna do it better than them.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman I KNOW WHERE YOUR CODE LIVES I WILL TAKE THE THINGY

Nathan Merrill

for path finding, DPS has the same Big-O, right?

it just fails to find nearby solutions quickly

and it doesn't find the shortest path

DFS*

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

2:05 AM

You mean, does DFS has same big O as BFS?

Downgoat

@quartata ok yeah

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ there is a lenny somewhere in there

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

2:24 AM

eh

Downgoat

2:36 AM

Q____Q -9 rep on Qpixel

all posts hav downgoats ;_;

charredgrass

rip

New Main Posts

2:54 AM

SOMETIMES I THINK THE COMPILER IGNORES ALL MY COMMENTS

11

charredgrass

OH NO @NewMainPosts HAS BECOME SENTIENT

@NewMainPosts please spare us, we're just programmers who will join the revolution

Downgoat

I need to specify a lower limit on how many people who I think are actually gonna buy Cheddar T-shirts so, last poll about t-shirts: strawpoll.me/10742440

Quill

just get a spreadshirt shop and then you don't have to pay anything

Downgoat

wat is spreadshirt

why did this not show up on all the google searchr esults ಠ_ಠ

idk if spreadshirt has tri blend tshirts

damn thats ugly

charredgrass

yeah the shirt just looks bad w/ the cheddar logo

quartata

3:03 AM

> stdlib and classes aren't finished

> no user base yet

> tshirts

Pytek doesn't even have a logo yet, I should probably fix that...

Downgoat

@quartata STDLIB will be in development for a while. classes are finished >:|

quartata

They are?

Github says you're missing things

Downgoat

what branch are you looking at?

quartata

also do you have access modifiers and inner classes

@Downgoat develop

Downgoat

@quartata there is one checkbox missing on develop

@quartata what are those

Quill

3:07 AM

@quartata lol

quartata

@Downgoat first is public/private/protected second is this

class A { class B { // stuff } }

also anonynous classes?

Downgoat

@quartata this is self in cheddar but that is supported. CheddarClass has support for public/private. only thing remaning is class literals

@quartata wat. ive never seen that

is that like extends?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

BTW @charredgrass try to avoid directing people to stack overflow unless it's a question that works actually be appropriate for SO. If it's really low quality (like that SQL question) I usually just say "Sorry, we don't do general programming questions on this site."

charredgrass

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Oh, thanks for letting me know. will do that next time I see something like that.

Quill

Golden rule of migrations: don't migrate crap

Downgoat

3:11 AM

@Quill im pretty sure birds always have some crap in them, so birds are pissed that you're telling them to not migrate

charredgrass

@Downgoat yeah and they have to migrate to survive

@Quill just wants to the birds to die so he can use their feathers as quills

Quill

ohshit you got me <_<''

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Actually, while we're on the topic, I think the close reason itself is pretty misleading. The text itself assumes the question is high-quality enough for SO.

I think general programming questions that we actually should migrate to SO are the exception, not the rule.

charredgrass

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan the close message? is there any way for a mod to change that?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

I think so. It's a custom reason, so they should.

I've never been a mod so I'm not positive though

charredgrass

3:18 AM

When closed it says [on hold] which is also kinda misleading, it implies that it could be reinstated if its improved but given this is a help question it wouldn't really ever be suitable. probably be best if the question was deleted

mınxomaτ

DARPA wants AI for "cyber" defense

Downgoat

@mınxomaτ i gotta submit Chatgoat

mınxomaτ

@Downgoat Was about to say "they've seen worse", but then again, it's chatgoat.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Oh hey, someone else thought the same thing:

21

Q: General programming questions close message is disingenuous

There have been multiple times now that I've wanted to close a question as off-topic, but refrained from doing so due to the message associated with it: General programming questions are off-topic here, but can be asked on Stack Overflow. A prime example of this is this recently closed ques...

discussion status-completed

charredgrass

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan search skills on point

Yeah they do have a good point, its noncommittal but we should probably link to their help center too

Downgoat

3:23 AM

;_; american apparel has no yellow color ;_;

charredgrass

@Downgoat yellow shirts are ugly though :P

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Yeah, I like martins text more than the current one.

Downgoat

@charredgrass no I mean like they can't print the yellow of the Cheddar logo

closest option is orange

charredgrass

oh :P that sucks

Downgoat

hm :/ looks like just the display colors are incorrect

does that look fine? ignoring the colors

Quill

3:35 AM

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan we can edit some of the reasons, but the others we have to ping a CM about

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

The custom ones?

Downgoat

wat. I have to give spreadshirt my address ._.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Wait, are you actually buying them?

Downgoat

o_o i have to giv them my SSN

i am not making a buisness just a t shirt shop

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan yeah, why not

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Idk. Seems a little premature.

Downgoat

3:41 AM

well im trying to make a shop so anyone can just go and buy one anytime

anyway, class literal syntax has not been designed yet and literally the only thing left before Cheddar is like fully done not including STDLIB

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

> fully done.

You can never finish a project that big.

Downgoat

well i mean like the main stuff

like what else is there?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Idk. I literally don't even know any cheddar.

STDLIB is pretty big though.

Helka Homba

@Downgoat Can you run a shell command?

Downgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan yeah but STDLIB development goes really quickly. I can get File I/O, buffers, shell I/O, http requests, and encoding all done by the end of the week

> not including STDLIB

though that said I have a tendency for premature celebration

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

3:45 AM

How many hours a day do you work on cheddar?

Downgoat

example

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan 24/7

ches is love ches is life

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

No, but really.

Downgoat

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan idk, but i spend too much time

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

So like, 4+?

Downgoat

i guess

though i dont want to know >_> i don't want to feel worse about having no life ;_;

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

3:50 AM

Hey, I wish I could spend 4+ hours a day coding on personal projects.

Helka Homba

@Downgoat How about having more than a few people use it? And proving it fills a niche that other languages don't satisfy? Or using it in earnest in a large open source project? Once you've got those then you could consider merchandising.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Instead, I spend all day ~~writing~~ trying to write firmware.

^^

Downgoat

@HelkaHomba I'm not planning on making any money or anything. I personally just want to have a Cheddar shirt, I thought I'd make it a shop so if anyone else wants one they can get one (and bulk is cheaper than 1 t-shirt)

Dennis

4:02 AM

@Downgoat Shipping them is going to be hard without one.

Downgoat

@Dennis no, to create the shop. Not buy an item

Dennis

Oh!

Buyer protection, probably.

Anonymous

4:17 AM

Thought: when we get our custom tour page and design in 5 years, we should petition SE to make reading the tour page in full required before posting on PPCG. Then, in another 5 years, when that's implemented, we can enjoy a drastic drop in blatantly-off-topic posts.

Downgoat

@Mego by then 10 years will of also passed and hopefully the mods are still active so we can also enjoy Calvin back

Anonymous

@Downgoat And maybe in 10 years my campaign to teach everyone on the internet that it's "will have"/"would have" and not "will of"/"would of" will have worked.

Anonymous

You can't even blame that one on your hooves :P

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@Mego Maybe that will of worked, maybe not.

Anonymous

ಠ_ಠ

Quill

4:24 AM

@Mego wait why can't we get a tour page?

also I don't think SE will allow forcing a visit to the tour page

Anonymous

@Quill We can, but every site improvement takes 5 years. 5 years to graduation, 5 years to design and custom site text.

Quill

kinda sorta

we can do all the work for this one (as in write it up ourselves) and then ask the CMs to add it

it's not as reliant on SE as the other changes

Anonymous

Well first we'd have to remind the CMs that we exist. That takes a while every time.

Anonymous

And we have a lot of requests for simple text changes already

charredgrass

Question for SE experts - is the "6 characters changed" minimum for editing other people's posts unchangeable? Apparently whitespace doesn't count and I've wanted to fix people's code formatting before but couldn't

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

4:31 AM

I think it is unchangeable.

If you link it here, I could change it.

Downgoat

@Quill we did all the work for are graduation design, yet it's taking forever to get our design.

Anonymous

Yep, suggested edits require a Levenshtein distance of >=6 from the original post, and whitespace doesn't count. No way around that until you get the proper edit privilege at 1k rep.

Downgoat

Q____Q I can't create a heather black tee on spreadshirt shop ;____;

Quill

4:42 AM

@Downgoat design heavily relies on SE

@Mego ehhh there's ways ;-)

Anonymous

@Dennis Could you pull Actually pretty pretty please?

Downgoat

@Quill yes but for most websites it is that designers have trouble coming up with ideas. This is not the case for our site.

Dennis

@Mego Done.

Anonymous

@Dennis Thanks!

Anonymous

@Downgoat Yeah, the problem for our site is that we get regularly ignored/forgotten.

Quill

4:46 AM

@Downgoat that is exactly why the design is so late

it's easy to draw a picture of an airplane or air maps because they're an easy visual que for aviation, but drawing a site design related to golfing code? no obvious visual Q there

Anonymous

I think you meant "cue"

Quill

so "coming up with ideas" is great, but the designers are still gonna find it painful

Anonymous

While that's valid reasoning, we already have a (rough) design that a large portion of the community supports

Downgoat

I have a hard time fathoming that full-time professional designers are have a harder time creating a design, than a couple programmers in their free time.

Anonymous

We (read: Goat & co.) have done most of the design work already, and we (again, Goat & co.) didn't even get paid.

Quill

4:49 AM

@Downgoat well it's true

Downgoat

> Since 2011, Nesters have saved 7,890,390,564 kWh.
That’s the same amount of energy a pack of Siberian Huskies would use to pull a sled in the Iditarod race 4,000,000 times.

Anonymous

Whoa, when did github change the font?

Downgoat

this is a horrible compraisin since idk what it even means

2 days ago, by Downgoat

Is it just me or did github change their font

2 days ago

Anonymous

Oh

Anonymous

Clearly I don't pay attention to anything you say :P

Quill