The Nineteenth Byte

Sherlock9

20:00

@NewMainPosts I'm trying to think of a suitable Magic programming challenge

Solver

What's the problem, anyway? I'm good at Googling :P

Sherlock9

Since this idea turned out to be a bust

Downgoat

@Solver wait I do have a question about node

Solver

@Optimizer :P True.

Downgoat

what is the difference between devDependencies and dependencies

Maltysen

20:00

@Sherlock9 ooh I have a good yugioh one

Alex A.

@Downgoat Devs depend on devDependencies

Optimizer

@Downgoat google

Downgoat

@AlexA. ಠ_ಠ

@Optimizer neither of them were developed by google

Solver

@Downgoat I learnt from stackoverflow.com/questions/18875674/…

Seriously.

Sherlock9

@Maltysen Well, I don't know any CCG, tbh. What's your idea?

Alex A.

20:01

CCG = Cool Code Golf?

Sherlock9

Collectible Card Game

Downgoat

@AlexA. all code golf is cool

4

Solver

@Downgoat More precisely, devDependencies is what you need for stuff like testing and dependencies is for actually running.

Maltysen

@Sherlock9 given a series of battles in a bp determine the lifepoints each person ends up with

Optimizer

@Sherlock9 duel masters

Solver

20:03

@Downgoat devDependencies are not included in production.

Downgoat

@Solver pohhhhhhhhhh

Solver

???

Sherlock9

@Maltysen That reminds me the challenge to interpret the plays in an American football that was held last Super Bowl

Downgoat

\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o /o\ i\o/o\ /o \/o \/o /o it worked!

Sherlock9

I like it. Think you'll write it up?

Solver

20:04

@Downgoat did i help?

Downgoat

@Solver yes, thank you so much

Solver

@Downgoat pleez?

Optimizer

@Solver you actually just lmgtfy'ed

Solver

Yay! \o/ I'm so proud of myself.

Downgoat

@Solver write an answer to this and I'll give you a +50 point bounty when it let's me:

2

Q: Grunt + Babel successfully runs but doesn't do anything

Solver

20:05

@Downgoat I'll try :P

zyabin101

@Downgoat EMOTION OVERLOAD RELOADING EMOTION SYSTEM drrrrr

Alex A.

@Downgoat That's an odd definition of "successfully" then :P

Optimizer

@Downgoat let me dupe close it

zyabin101

@Optimizer Do you have a js high-rep hammer?

Downgoat

so. many. pings....

Optimizer

20:06

@zyabin101 no, but i can at least start...

Downgoat

@zyabin101 I don't think he even has the close-vote privledge yet

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat what?

Doorknob

((~!#("3.141592653589793"10sB(NmO*0vn11nR:~(dU\0NdEnP[~(\2nMNiNdU\(NiN(1nR:nM;aF~([nD\[#nP[\nM~(;aM:nA;aF*))

an approximation of the sine function in Snowman

credit github.com/mobby12345

Optimizer

well, turns out i can't

> 3.141592653589793

not sure if you are trying to golf or not.

Solver

@Downgoat Okay, I took a look. I reckon I can solve it, but: why are you using grunt?

Optimizer

20:07

@Doorknob more accurate would have been sqrt(1 - cos 2 x)

Maltysen

@Optimizer wait why does sine approximation need pi?

Doorknob

@Optimizer ... okay, if there's no sine in snowman, do you expect there to be cosine too? :P

Optimizer

@Doorknob then derive both from tangent

Downgoat

@Solver goats can't grunt by themselves so I need a program to do it for me

Doorknob

@Optimizer -_-

Maltysen

20:08

isn't the taylor series enough?

Optimizer

^

Solver

@Optimizer Pi? Okay: 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510

@Downgoat No, I mean, gulp is better. Just better.

Optimizer

in fact, e ^ -i pi should be enough

Maltysen

@Optimizer -.-

Downgoat

oh no

I just rm -rf'd my entire Code/ directory

;__;

Solver

20:11

@Downgoat gasps I feel so sorry for you.

Downgoat

@Solver I have most of the things on github

Doorknob

ok, so restore it from the backups that you've surely been keeping, right? ;)

Downgoat

but still... ;__;

@Doorknob I turned off time machine a few weeks ago

Solver

@Downgoat oh phew. i can live with that.

Doorknob

@Downgoat you turned off what now?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

20:11

@Downgoat How do you accidentally do that?

Solver

@Doorknob Yeah.. I.. keep .. backups... sure...

(backs up the world)

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I was going to do rm -rf ~/Documents/Code/Cheddar but I the tab completetion didn't complete before I typed Cheddar...

zyabin101

@Downgoat Excluding the Code/ directory. Congrats.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat rip

Optimizer

@Downgoat so Tabs are the culprit!!! SEEEE .

better start using spaces from now on!

Solver

20:12

@Downgoat Just use the file system, man.

Downgoat

@Solver I am?

Solver

@Downgoat but console is cooler.

Maltysen

@Downgoat and that's why you always use rmdir

Doorknob

that's why you actually look at what you type before you press enter

Maltysen

hahaha

Solver

20:14

@Doorknob i never do that. it's faster.

Optimizer

@Doorknob silly excuses from a Tabs lover

Downgoat

@Doorknob I don't do that here on chat so I shouldn't be expected to do that when I'm terminaling

Solver

@Downgoat :P

Doorknob

@Downgoat this is literally the worst excuse you could possibly come up with

@Optimizer I think you've confused me with Geobits

Optimizer

@Doorknob oh, you like spaces over tabs?

Solver

20:15

@Doorknob what's the excuse with using cmd to rm files?

Doorknob

@Optimizer yes

@Solver ... how else would you remove a file?

Solver

@Optimizer i like TABS

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Downgoat

@Solver I'm so sorry

Solver

@Doorknob ...file explorer....?

@Downgoat It's okay. :)

Doorknob

20:16

@Solver a "file explorer"? that sounds torturous

Maltysen

@Solver why would you even…

Downgoat

Bad marky

47 secs ago, 21 seconds total – 2 messages, 2 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked just now by Downgoat

Solver

@Doorknob :D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

its easier bruh

Maltysen

@Downgoat WHOOOOOOH MARKY GOOD JOB HERE HAVE A COOKIE

Solver

20:17

@Maltysen my programming language is called cookie

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^

.^^

Solver

Anyway @Downgoat back to your grunt.

Doorknob

@Solver extremely rarely do I ever have a window open that's not a.) a terminal emulator or b.) a web browser

with the exception of skype ( :( )

Downgoat

grunting goat

►

Solver

@Doorknob I can't live without Chrome.

Maltysen

20:19

@Doorknob same, and for terminals I usually just use an actual terminal

Downgoat

@Downgoat I promise that is not me

Solver

Goodnight!

@Downgoat ping me tommorow when you feel like tackling your grunt issues.

Downgoat

@Solver night!

Solver

@Downgoat bye!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

bai!

Doorknob

20:31

@Dennis what does Debug do on TIO?

LockOpeners

hola

Downgoat

@Doorknob it removes bugs from the code so you can find the spiders more easily

zyabin101

@Doorknob Enable STDERR and show timing for the code on the Try it online! server farm.

Doorknob

huh okay

@Dennis [feature-request] add the -d or --debug flag when debug is enabled for Snowman

LockOpeners

quartata

20:36

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ that's a joke right

Downgoat

@LockOpeners what

quartata

rm is infinitely easier than deleting a file only to find out that it actually just got moved to a "trashcan"

LockOpeners

The first computer bug

Downgoat

halp, how do I make a website with node?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata yeah.

quartata

20:37

@Downgoat don't

Node.JS's internal web server is bad

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata I have a batch script that clears out the trashcan every day

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ oh that's nice

Downgoat

@quartata but how else do I make a website

I am trying to make a REPL

for Cheddar

Maltysen

@Downgoat get a server on gcp and just run node there, no messing with heroku

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata yeah, thanks

Downgoat

20:38

@Maltysen Good clinical practice?

quartata

@Downgoat use Apache/Nginx and a CGI script of some sort

Maltysen

google cloud platform

Doorknob

@Downgoat google cloud platform

.-.

Downgoat

what is wrong with Heroku

I just spent an hour getting it working ._.

quartata

but seriously if you want to make an actual website don't use node.js's internal web server

there's probably some hack to get it working with nginx but honestly why bother

Maltysen

20:39

@Downgoat gcp literally just gives you a computer, and then you just run node on it like you do on your dev machine

quartata

you can probably make a node.js CGI script

Downgoat

@Maltysen isn't that what C9 does too?

Maltysen

C9?

Downgoat

c9.io

LockOpeners

oh that

quartata

20:40

Cloud9 vms go to sleep after a while

Maltysen

no

quartata

not good for web hosting

Maltysen

> Simply pick your configuration and develop your app. No need to spend valuable development time on system setup and maintenance. You can create, build and run any development stack in seconds. We maintain it, you control it.

Downgoat

I just need something to host a WS server

heroku seem slike a good choice

Maltysen

@Downgoat except its a pain to use, as you just saw

quartata

20:41

heroku apps also go to sleep after a while

Downgoat

that was my fault

rhough

@quartata D:

then what do I use?

quartata

Amazon S3?

I don't know do you want to spend money

Downgoat

@quartata but they wake up

Maltysen

@quartata and you can't run any databases on it without their weird way

Downgoat

@quartata I could if it's really worth it, but I don't think I need too

Maltysen

20:41

@quartata ec2 gives you a year free, google gives you like 2 months free but is cheaper than ec2

@Downgoat ^

quartata

I don't know, I'm not much of an expert on this.

All I know is pick something that's reliable even if it costs money

And don't use Node.JS's internal server

Maltysen

google is $6 / month for me

Downgoat

I am using the websocket package for node

LockOpeners

@NewMainPosts I like how this is labeled "programming-puzzle"

quartata

@Downgoat don't use Node.JS's internal web server for anything ever

please

Downgoat

20:43

I'm not

quartata

ok good

Downgoat

I'm using jQuery for node instead

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ಠ_ಠ

Optimizer

wow

Downgoat

(that was a joke)

quartata

20:44

I thought you had your own domain + server anyways

I remember you had a website for teascript

Maltysen

@Downgoat wait isn't cheddar in js?

Downgoat

@Maltysen yse

Solver

Hello! I'm alive!

Maltysen

@Downgoat then just write the repl in js and run it on the client and host off of github.io

Downgoat

@quartata yes, but it blew up after it ran for 5 weeks continuously.

@Maltysen it uses node, not JS

I could try to compile

but that would be slower

quartata

20:45

@Downgoat but node is JS

zyabin101

@Solver Reading this endless feed of new messages never gets boring, eh Solver?

Downgoat

and I'm planning on making Cheddar greater than JS

quartata

It should be able to run in a browser with minimal changes

Maltysen

@Downgoat I'm pretty sure itd be faster than websockets

quartata

^

It would be

Solver

20:46

@Downgoat for the grunt issue:

Downgoat

@quartata I could add some grunt thing

Alex A.

@Downgoat I've had to do the Good Clinical Practices training so many times. .-.

Optimizer

@quartata he thinks that node and spidermonkey, both are separate JS engines

Downgoat

@Maltysen fast server > super slow browser JS that can't do sh*t

quartata

@Downgoat but both use V8 anyways

so

zyabin101

20:47

@AlexA. I thought it was GolfScript, CJam, and Pyth.

Downgoat

but browser is slow

Optimizer

49 secs ago, by Optimizer

@quartata he thinks that node and spidermonkey, both are separate JS engines

Downgoat

it has a bunch of wrapper thing

quartata

your server will be a hella lot slower if you have a hundred interpreter sessions running

Solver

First npm install -g gulp

Alex A.

20:47

@quartata V8 is mostly HFCS. It barely counts as juice.

Downgoat

@Optimizer spidermonkey is a JS engine, node is just a wrapper for a V8

Maltysen

@Downgoat my browser right now is probably faster than my webserver. you aren't getting a good server for free or cheap

quartata

pro tip: always outsource to the client if you can

Downgoat

@Maltysen ok

ok

quartata

@Maltysen Yeah, no such thing as free lunch

Downgoat

20:48

I was told to not outsource SASS compilation to the client

quartata

@AlexA. blergh v8

Solver

Then create a gulpfile.js

Alex A.

@quartata That's not true.

quartata

@AlexA. It's a saying

Alex A.

@quartata It amuses me that airplane "bloody marys" are just V8 and vodka.

zyabin101

20:49

Next, a Javasakefile.

Optimizer

yesterday, by Downgoat

@Optimizer They are names of JS engines,

Downgoat

@Optimizer what

Optimizer

follow the conversation

quartata

ROASTE
D

mınxomaτ

^

Downgoat

20:51

._.

zyabin101

ROASTED

►

Alex A.

@quartata I rewatched human ramen the other day

Downgoat

@zyabin101 wtf

quartata

@AlexA. oh dear

I try to stay away from that one

or vomit cake

Alex A.

I couldn't watch vomit cake

Human ramen isn't bad though

Just weird

zyabin101

20:53

@Downgoat The video snippet for ROASTE D.

Maltysen

@AlexA. WHAT. THE. HELL.

Downgoat

what should the keyword be for a value that has not been defined in Cheddar? None, null, undefined, nil, or something else?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. I don't want to know

Solver

Then place:
var gulp = require('gulp')
gulp.task(function () {
gulp.src('./src_folder').dest('./dest_folder')})

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat nope

Downgoat

20:55

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ??

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat That's what it should be.

Solver

@Downgoat empty?

quartata

@Downgoat null sounds good.

Fairly traditional.

You can do NULL if you want, like in C

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I personally liked the dashed O symbol.

Solver

@quartata me too

quartata

20:56

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ except people can't type that

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata Don't they have advanced math keyboards?

∅

Solver

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ empty set

mınxomaτ

"value that has not been defined". Why would you choose anything but "undefined" for that.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

quartata

@mınxomaτ Wait, what?

Oh, I didn't read very carefully

Yeah, undefined

Downgoat

20:57

ok

but javascript uses undefined

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

So?

You could go with undef

Or just _UNK

Downgoat

I am told that JavaScript has the worst design decisions

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ yes, of course

Solver

@Downgoat did you see my gulp solution ?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat Therefore, + meaning addition is bad? :/

Optimizer

@AlexA. link pls'

Downgoat

20:58

@Solver No?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ yes

quartata

@Downgoat Yes but undefined is not one of them

Downgoat

ok

quartata

Although its interaction with == is

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

∅_∅

Alex A.

@Maltysen human ramen

Downgoat

20:59

_UNK__UNK

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata Yah, you nailed my pet peeve. When the lack of a parameter is checked as value == undefined

I die inside.

@AlexA. please get rid of onebox that's disturbing

Solver

:-)

Bad marky

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