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Draw an ASCII house This is a window: --- | | --- Let's add some walls |. Put two spaces on either side of it so that the window has plenty of room. | --- | | | | | | --- | Now let's add a roof and a ceiling. To keep the window in the middle of the room, let's add one more row above ...

Nathan Merrill

@PhiNotPi you there? I'm starting to implement your Maximized Affirmed Majorities algorithm

and I'm wanting to understand some things

PhiNotPi

sure

Nathan Merrill

so, on your tiebreaker step, you have me repeating step 2 over and over

why wouldn't I just create a random ordering of the candidates

and assume none of them are equal

in case you need more context:

2. If the ordering is incomplete (like A>B=C>D=E=F), then choose a second uniformly random ballot (without replacement) and use that ballot to tie-break any unresolved orderings.

PhiNotPi

As in, why pick a random ballot instead of a random ordering?

Nathan Merrill

yes

oh, am I selecting a random ballot from one of the ballots submitted?

PhiNotPi

00:15

It's to prevent giving an advantage to "clones" (someone entered in the same bot twice)

Yes

Nathan Merrill

I'm not generating a random ballot?

ok

PhiNotPi

No

Nathan Merrill

also, for your challenge, test cases will be tough

because of the random tiebreaking

PhiNotPi

I honestly don't know if I will ever post it as a challenge.

Nathan Merrill

well, its good reference, so thanks :)

step 1 is definitely going to be the hardest to implement

ok, given a random ballot that doesn't include all of the candidates, how do I tie break the candidates that aren't included?

@PhiNotPi

Alex A.

00:22

Just exclude any ballots that haven't voted for Bernie

10/10 works every time

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@GamrCorps Chrome sucks.

Doorknob

glances at starboard... ಠ_ಠ

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. how did we get to politics? :/

ಠ_ಠ

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ He said ballots and candidates.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^^^

@AlexA. uhhhhh whoops

Bog Site

00:32

Yea, you can't say ballot and candidates on March 1st without it turning to politics ;)

Maltysen

@AlexA. I was gonna vote for you moderator, but since you're just gonna take that ballet out, I'm gonna just vote for bernie

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Alex A.

@Maltysen I'm honored that you were going to vote for me for moderator, but I think Bernie would be a good choice.

I wish him the best in his PPCG role.

Bog Site

I dunno. That rep tax on bounties he's proposing sounds scary.

Maltysen

@BogSite but he's gonna use it to pay to teach us all how to golf better

PhiNotPi

@NathanMerrill Then that ballot only provides a partial ordering.

Alex A.

00:34

@BogSite He cares about the low-rep users though

GamrCorps

@Doorknob Starboard glances back at you

PhiNotPi

Draw another random ballot to resolve it.

Alex A.

@GamrCorps disapprovingly

Bog Site

True... But I'm so close to the 1% mark that I'm worried about my hard-earned rep :P

Maltysen

Trump's plan of building a wall to keep the Code Reviewers out is tempting though

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he'll even use their rep to pay for it

Bog Site

00:36

Dammit. Halfway typed out ninja'd :(

Nathan Merrill

@PhiNotPi but where do the other candidates go relative to the rest?

for example, ballot 1: A>B>C>D

ballot 2: D>E>A

PhiNotPi

ballot 1: A>B>C>D - these are set in stone

Nathan Merrill

right

but E?

Bog Site

It seems like E would be last, since the only vote cast for E put it below D. But I have no idea what system you're talking about.

PhiNotPi

I'm thinking you only looks at the candidates that we're already ordered.

So A>B>C>D>E

There is a potential argument for E>A>B>C>D, though.

Nathan Merrill

00:41

yeah

PhiNotPi

We should refer to the actual instructions.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

learns public school had off today ಠ╭╮ಠ

Maltysen

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ why?

(I mean why they had off)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Maltysen american elections

(do I have to specify "american"?)

Maltysen

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ your school district gets off for super tuesday?!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:44

@Maltysen Yuuuup.

Bog Site

wooooooow

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

But, me going to a private Christian school, has no such a day. :|

Bog Site

Public schools here don't either, don't feel bad.

Maltysen

but why would the kids need to vote?

Bog Site

Or almost anywhere else it seems.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:45

@Maltysen They don't, it's presumably so that the parents don't have to waste time to drive kids to and fro.

Alex A.

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Q: How does one "get rekt"?

I often see people write "get rekt" to someone when that person makes a mistake or when they beat the person to a goal. It's not immediately obvious what this is intended to mean. I assume "rekt" is Internet speak for "wrecked," but why should someone seek out being wrecked if they've lost at som...

Bog Site

Hmm. That makes limited sense, since you'd think it would be easier for parents if their kids were in school.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Doorknob

@AlexA. ...

Alex A.

@Doorknob It's an honest question. I use it liberally but have no idea why other than I find it amusing.

Nathan Merrill

00:48

@AlexA. now you're just looking for rep :P

Alex A.

35 secs ago, by Alex A.

@Doorknob It's an honest question. I use it liberally but have no idea why other than I find it amusing.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Nathan Merrill

you can look for rep and have a honest question

Alex A.

It's EL&U. I don't really care about rep there. :P

Nathan Merrill

they aren't mutually exclusive

fair point

thanks

Alex A.

00:54

@Doorknob The NeoVim bug we reported was fixed in a commit. I assume it'll be in the next patch release.

Doorknob

\o/

Nathan Merrill

wow. In Kotlin, you can have default parameters that depend on previous parameters

class MamTournament(
        val players: List<Player>,
        val gameSize: Int = players.size
) {

}

Alex A.

You can do that in Julia too

And R

Doorknob

Rust doesn't have default parameters :(

Alex A.

Oh, that reminds me: @Sp3000 AHHHHH YUUSSSSSS

@Doorknob :(

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:02

\o/ Donalt trump is losing in Massachusetts!

Alex A.

s/in Massachusetts/at life/

@Doorknob Do you use the official Rust Vim plugin?

Doorknob

is there one?

I know I installed something but idk what it was

Alex A.

yas

github.com/rust-lang/rust.vim

Doorknob

github.com/KeyboardFire/dotfiles/blob/…

@AlexA. o.c

Alex A.

It looks nice in solarized dark

Sp3000

01:05

:)

Alex A.

Fortran is nice too but of course I'm partial to Julia

Doorknob

Got my microUSB to Ethernet cord for my RPi \o/

now I can connect it to the internet

Doorknob

01:21

[email protected]'s password:

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
Last login: Tue Feb  9 10:38:58 2016
pi@tinyllama:~ $

\o/ \o/ \o/

Alex A.

@Mego I marked (what I assume were) your comment flags helpful, but I recommend a different approach: If someone leaves a comment saying that something is wrong and you comment back saying that it's been fixed, I generally recommend leaving your comment until the other person deletes their comment themself, or otherwise acknowledges your response in some way.

> tinyllama

Doorknob

my laptop's hostname is llama, so I figured...

Alex A.

I got the reference

I like it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

do you name your USB's teensyllama?

Alex A.

Did you name your dog actualllama?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:25

Or just get a llama?

Alex A.

He adopted Optimizer

Easterly Irk

@MartinBüttner You haven't been rickrolled? o_O

Alex A.

He's been in The Nineteenth Byte so obviously he's been rickrolled.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

meta.codegolf.stackexchange.c…

Alex A.

I hovered over the link and saw that it didn't go to our site but clicked it anyway

I regret this

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:35

XD

2

^ this depresses me :|

Alex A.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Two characters, 5 minutes max of thinking, 5 minutes max of description, and 26 upvotes VERSUS 5+ minutes of thinking, <5 minutes of thinking, and 2 upvotes.

Something is most definitely not right with that.

Alex A.

That's how voting goes a lot of the time. I upvoted Lynn's answer because it's a very surprising and interesting approach despite its extreme simplicity.

tac

Will someone please burninate Meta's interesting-tags? It literally has exactly one ancient question

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It's a regrettable situation... ^^

Alex A.

01:39

@tac Done

tac

@AlexA. yay! now it won't come uselessly up when I type "tag" into the box

Alex A.

Well, technically I didn't burninate anything; I removed the tag and since that's the only question bearing that tag, the zombie tag script should burninate it... at some point.

tac

@AlexA. ah, you can have the credit anyways :P

Alex A.

Why thank you :P

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tac

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ +1 for hand-drawn ಠ_ಠ

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:42

bows

Maltysen

I especially like the handdrawn ಠ_ಠ

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

mercis

tac

@NathanMerrill c++ too: stackoverflow.com/questions/35724423/…

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Q: Let's deliberate about [1p5]

Back in April 2011, @dmkcee announced the CodeGolf.SE First Periodic Premier Programming Puzzle Push. This proposal was so promising and interesting that even Jeff Atwood took note! The 1p5 tag was introduced to classify this new venture of code challenges, as a bit of a meta-tag. Today, this ta...

discussion tags questions

Nathan Merrill

@tac that's way cool. Does it enforce ordering of parameters?

also, apparently, you can't use the value of the parameter to generate the value of the default parameter

its only for typing

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:51

g'night

GamrCorps

night

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Q: Find the different letter

You may have seen puzzles like this: Find the 0: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO The challenge is to write a program that finds the index of the different letter given an image. Input Input will be an Image. The image will consist of one line of black text in the Helvetica 24 pt...

image-processing optical-char-recognition

Bog Site

Minibits

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Easterly Irk

lol is that him?

Bog Site

No no, that would be against the TOS. This is my account that I let him use.

Easterly Irk

02:06

cool

Bog Site

It was created about three minutes ago and he's getting ready for bed, so no :P

Easterly Irk

Getting into the ~~soul stealing~~ fun side of programming early I see. :P

Bog Site

We'll see. He might have a better time gaining rep at Arqade, tbh. He could answer some of the questions I've seen there.

Easterly Irk

Okay.

@BogSite You don't teach him how to stay up late??? Bad Father! Bad Geobits!

Bog Site

Oh he knows how to do that. Just not how to get enough sleep for school if he does ;)

Easterly Irk

02:12

lol

What games does he play?

Bog Site

Pokemon, Minecraft, Terraria, FF(7 so far), Mario [insert version here], Zelda... a bunch of stuff really.

SuperJedi224

Hi

Bog Site

Also various stuff on mobile. The icon is from geometry dash.

SuperJedi224

@BogSite Weren't you using a different anagram earlier today?

Bog Site

Probably.

Easterly Irk

02:18

@BogSite I noticed.

@SuperJedi224 Don't talk to me about it.

Liam

you're limited to changing once every 30 days though

?

Alex A.

There are ways around it

Bog Site

Was it Bigtoes or I Go Best?

Liam

I just assumed it was a different user trying to be confusing

Bog Site

Nope, that's me.

Alex A.

02:20

It's just Geobits trying to be confusing

SuperJedi224

So... does anyone know why Eclipse has those additional "access rules"?

Bog Site

@AlexA. If I wanted to be confusing the avatar would change, too :P

Liam

** cough cough what's an ide ** @SuperJedi224

Bog Site

Look out, we got a real programmer in here >_>

Alex A.

haha

Liam

02:22

ms notepad for lyfe

Bog Site

I take it back. Actually using notepad for anything is hardcore. By "not ide" I assumed he meant some text editor that was still usable.

Aqua Tart

nah butterflies + cosmic rays for lyfe

Liam

pshhh initial conditions of the universe

Zach Gates

When I was like 11, I used Notepad to write Python lol

Easterly Irk

Notepad = Windows.

NEVAR

Liam

02:24

notepad is actually just terrible though

Zach Gates

True

Alex A.

I don't think it pretends not to be

Zach Gates

^

Liam

I don't know what it does but it can't even deal with copy/paste whitespace

Bog Site

@ZachGates Where were your parents when this was happening? That's gotta be some sort of neglect.

Liam

02:24

^ they should have put you to bed

Zach Gates

@BogSite Haha how so

Bog Site

Allowing their child to have to suffer notepad?

Zach Gates

IKR, I'm scarred for life

Bog Site

It's like the old gruel of text editors.

Liam

out of curiosity now, what does everyone use?

Alex A.

02:25

@BogSite "Dammit Zachary, you're to use an IDE when writing Python. Go to your room, skrubl0rd."

Zach Gates

@AlexA. "What a n00b"

Easterly Irk

@Liam textwrangler

Alex A.

@Liam Depends on the situation but I've been trying to learn and use NeoVim.

I had been using Atom.

Liam

is that still terminal only aka guiless

Bog Site

@Liam If I have to be on windows I generally use np++.

Zach Gates

02:26

@Liam IDLE for Python, TextWrangler for HTML/CSS & JS, Xcode for everything else

Alex A.

@Liam AFAIK yes

MacVim has a GUI but I don't think NeoVim does.

Liam

yeah I use np++ on windows too. Geany on linux

I really should learn vim better

Zach Gates

Geany makes me cringe

Liam

I use it the same way I use vi

Alex A.

As @Doorknob can attest, I'm awful at Vim.

Zach Gates

02:27

@AlexA. Same

Easterly Irk

^ execpt the doorknob part

Doorknob

@AlexA. can confrim

Bog Site

Everybody is awful at vim. Even those that think they're good at it are still awful at it.

Alex A.

Doorknob is great at Vim

VimKnob

Bog Site

That sounds really close to something Lenny would like.

Doorknob

02:28

I'd rate my knowledge of vim at, oh, about 10%? Maybe 15% on a good day? :P

Alex A.

How would you rate mine? Statistically distinct from zero?

Bog Site

Some questions you shouldn't ask ;)

Alex A.

My skin is thick

And covered in feathers

And the blood of my enemies

Bog Site

Who killed them for you?

Alex A.

My mommy

Liam

02:29

bird flu

Alex A.

My mom is the best. Legit.

Zach Gates

@Doorknob How can your knowledge of something lessen heh

Liam

i bet she doesn't make cookies as good as my mom

Easterly Irk

@AlexA. just like seattle is the best place ever?

Alex A.

@Liam I bet she does. My mom could beat up your mom.

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Bog Site

02:30

@AlexA. My conscience had to hold back my initial reply there...

Doorknob

YOUR MOM IS THE BEST

wait... am I doing it right

Liam

You're in seattle right. I'm in tacoma. Let's make them fight

Alex A.

@EasterlyIrk Well, it objective is, so...

Liam

we can meet in federal way, a half-way point of neutral territory

Alex A.

Rock-em Sock-em Moms

Bog Site

02:31

@Doorknob Yo mama's so nice, she warms the heart of all who meet her. ooooooooh

Alex A.

DAM SON

Zach Gates

@Liam Meet at the airport

Alex A.

@Liam Federal Way is halfway between Seattle and Tacoma? Damn, Tacoma is further away than I remembered. :P

Liam

<-- terrible sense of direction and general location ( checks google map )

Bog Site

I like the SeaTac idea. They can fight in the ticketing area with lots of glass everywhere.

Liam

02:33

Yeah federal way is a lot closer to tacoma

seatac it is

$15 minimum wage

Zach Gates

WA has $15 minimum wage? (or is it just Seattle)

Alex A.

Which apparently still hasn't been paid to a lot of airport workers...

Liam

just seatac i think

Alex A.

@ZachGates Just the city of SeaTac at the moment.

Bog Site

So at least the janitors who mop up the blood will be compensated fairly.

Liam

02:34

or not

Bog Site

Well, better than the eight or so they'd get here, anyway :/

Alex A.

Actually, Seattle does have the $15 minimum wage now

Zach Gates

In Memphis it's 7.25

;-;

Alex A.

That's more than I made at my first job

Liam

that's probably what it is in AZ where I went to school

Bog Site

02:36

Yea, we're at the federal minimum here in Florida, too.

Zach Gates

sosad

Bog Site

@AlexA. But we've invented electricity and automobiles now.

Alex A.

@BogSite ಠ_ಠ

Zach Gates

@BogSite I almost made an age joke, but I decided against it ಠ_ಠ

Bog Site

I think I'm older than he is, so I'm allowed ;)

Alex A.

02:37

You are, by about 8 years

Liam

Florida = bog site

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Alex A.

You're my sister's age

Zach Gates

@AlexA. @BogSite is your sister?? :o

Bog Site

To be fair, it's more than I made at my first job, too. It was either $5.15 or $5.25, can't remember. But then again, a lot of things were a lot cheaper then.

Alex A.

I think mine was $6.70 or thereabouts

@ZachGates Yes, because apparently everyone born in that year came from the same person :P

Bog Site

02:39

@AlexA. Richi McRichpants

Zach Gates

@AlexA. Is that not how it worked back then?

Alex A.

@ZachGates I don't know, it was before I was born. All I can do is speculate.

Bog Site

@AlexA. bookmarking....

Alex A.

Bookmarking what >_>

Bog Site

Aww come on. That would have been a great out-of-context quote to toss out later when the room is dead :P

There was a guy in my high school who went by DickDick (seriously). His name was Richard Richardson.

Alex A.

02:46

Günther's dik-dik

Günther's dik-dik (Madoqua guentheri) is a small antelope found in East Africa. It weighs up to 3–5 kg (6.6 to 11 lb) when full grown. It has a yellowish-gray to reddish-brown coat. It has a short tail (3–5 cm) and horn (9.8 cm). It is found in Ethiopia, Kenya, Somalia, South Sudan, and Uganda, as well as its most popular place of nesting, Egypt. It inhabits Egypt because of the large amount of sand, which it prefers to burrow into. == References... ==

Was he one of these?

Liam

it's spelled different

Bog Site

I don't remember a Gunther, so probably not.

Alex A.

SuperJedi224

Goodnight.

Alex A.

Hahaha awww that was funny. I'm glad I can see deleted chat messages.

Liam

02:51

night

Alex A.

Good night!

Liam

how do naming collisions work in SE?

Günther's dik-dik has a short...horn (9.8 cm)

reference: "SSC Antelope Specialist Group"

Bog Site

@Liam You have to multiply length times girth, plus the angle of the tip. You can't just take a ruler to it.

Liam

angle of the shaft, aka yaw

what a philistine

Bog Site

If you want to use outdated methods, sure.

Liam

02:56

well you should tell the Antelope Specialist Group all about that

I'm not the one who did the measuring

Bog Site

They know. They know.

Liam

Downgoat's avatar looks a bit like a dik dik

Zach Gates

I have work I really should be doing ಠ_ಠ

Doorknob

Aditsu's Law

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