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18:00
Hi @Sock
(Hey, if Sock became a mod, we would have another ridiculous mod! :P)
Anonymous
In essence, you could just rotate the shortest Perl code's bytes by a constant value and get a CHshittylanguage answer, and run it until the RNG spits out the correct value
I don't see why CHIQRSX9+ should not be allowed, given that there are exactly 7 programs that it would ever be used for...it's not like it's going to clog up the site with stupid answers. And it is a legacy language.
Anonymous
@Stefnotch Alex is already a mod though
So, that is an alternate account?
Anonymous
18:02
A terrible fake language that has been used for answers is no excuse for it being terrible and fake
Anonymous
@Stefnotch It's a joke. We joke about @ಠ_ಠ being @AlexA.'s alt (which we tend to refer to as sock puppets or socks)
All socks should probably form a team.
Anonymous
@Sock You could call the the drawer
@Mego It may have been a joke in the past but now that he's actually confessed to it I don't think it's something to kid about
18:04
@Mego Nice suggestion! So let's call everyone so that we can overcome the shoes!
I think it can be excused on the basis of its age, and its creator being a pretty smart guy who has proven a lot of crazy languages turing-complete
Anonymous
@Stefnotch It used to be, I thought...
> @ಠ_ಠ is my sock! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Oct 1 at 20:39, by Alex A.
Alex A. too!
Anonymous
18:06
@quintopia We have a line in the sand for a reason. I don't care if the interpreter and spec were found on scrolls at the bottom of the Dead Sea - it still doesn't make it valid.
Anonymous
So I'm not entirely clear on the subject of flags - should an answer that doesn't use a valid language be flagged, and if so, which flag?
@Mego What if they were found on another planet?
@Mego NAA
@Mego Doesn't "Prohibited language was invented with knowledge of the creation of this challenge in mind" make just as good a line in the sand?
Anonymous
@quintopia There are multiple lines for when people try to sidestep them
Is there an esolang called ಠ_ಠ ?
Anonymous
18:09
@TheDoctor Yes
@quintopia The reason why he wants it deleted is because it doesn't meet our very very specific specs for a programming language
We have that for a reason
X might be able to add two numbers, but it isn't deterministic
Anonymous
You can't use a language that doesn't meet our specs or that was created after the challenge was created (except catalogs). Languages that have had features added after the challenge was created cannot use those features in answers. Those rules are unambiguous, and that answer is clearly in violation of them.
So if an interpreter for CHIQRSX9+ arose in which X read in a TM and ran it (since X may make the language turing-complete in any way one likes) it would meet the specs?
@Mego The language was created before the challenge. It just doesn't meet our specs for a programming language.
Anonymous
@quintopia Then it would be a trivial extension of a TM, and the answer should be stated to be in TM Language, not CHshajkdg
Anonymous
18:13
@quartata I wasn't saying that. I meant, those are our rules for languages, and it explicitly breaks one of them.
It has no decisional model aside from X which uses ambiguous grammar
@Mego Ah, gotcha.
@quartata But whether or not it meets the specs hinges on whether one assumed it to be defined by the wiki article or by the reference implementation.
@quintopia We work based on implementations, not designs.
Show me an implementation where X is deterministic, and it would be OK.
Gotcha
Just wondering, who starred Doorknob's comment and who didn't?
I did!
Anonymous
18:21
I didn't
Anonymous
There's no point in starring a pinned message - it's going to stay on top of the starboard forever for a long time
Anonymous
(I actually don't know if pinned messages ever fall off the starboard)
@Mego They do not, unless unpinned.
And, just sayin:
23 hours ago, by quartata
I wish he hadn't pinned it. That's unfair to hard-working idiots like me.
Anonymous
^
@quintopia np
18:23
What does a pinned message look like? (What is the difference between one and a not pinned one?)
Anonymous
Hollow star
@Stefnotch Hollow star
Anonymous
ninjoo
Wow.
Anonymous
18:24
I'm seriously a ninja
I think we might be identical twins or something.
But one has better internet.
I mean, we both said the exact same description of something that could be described in many different ways
Anonymous
@quartata I'm a penguin and you're a glider. How are we even close to twins? :P
I am a ninja master of Spinjitsu.
Anonymous
18:24
Also I can guarantee that you have better internet
@Mego Hey, penguins evolved from gliders
@Mego 2 megabits a second
Anonymous
I get 2 Mbps down and like .5 Mbps up
Try me
Anonymous
:o
Anonymous
...are you me?
18:25
.5 Mbps up here too
I'm scared
Anonymous
Actually those should be lowercase
@Mego Play Learn to Fly, then you will see that penguins have gliders and can fly.
Anonymous
@ΚριτικσιΛίθος I've played both
@Mego Have you got the Omega items?
Anonymous
18:26
But, if you'll look at this challenge, you'll see that composition and identity are not the same
Anonymous
A penguin may have a glider, but a penguin is not a glider
Anonymous
@ΚριτικσιΛίθος Probably. I played them a long time ago (like 10 years, when they first were released), and completed both fully
@Mego Same, since I saw no signs of star abuse when he posted it. I'm not sure why it's so popular...
@Calvin'sHobbies because he's doorknob and it is pinned
I got my 21 stars the fair way
10
sniff little cheat
8 out of 10 on the starboard. Why
uh oh the star demon has returned
18:30
@quartata 8 out of 10 now
Anonymous
@Calvin'sHobbies A few users were starring literally every message for a few minutes. It was necessary to say "okay seriously stop abusing stars", though I'm still not sure if I think the pin was necessary. Star abuse has gotten excessive lately, but the act of pinning it makes people more likely to star it, which goes against the message.
9 out of 10 technically since the pinned one will not ever fall off
So really just as soon as we eliminate Mego I will be the supreme overlord of the starboard
How does a message get pinned?
@Sock ^_- oh look, a sock
Anonymous
@ΚριτικσιΛίθος Mods or room owner
18:31
@ΚριτικσιΛίθος by a mod
Anonymous
@quartata You can't eliminate me. I am you, remember?
@Mego ah rats
I'll settle for eliminating your message.
@TheDoctor ^_- oh look, a dog
Anonymous
@quartata I don't know how it's relevant but it's damn catchy
Anonymous
18:35
See also:
Hello @Optimizer !
I really need to find someone willing to play through that game with me
I've been sitting on it for a year
oh, so this confirms that Sock is some big gun already used to chat here..
my mbl solution to the counting one will definitely lose
18:39
@Optimizer more like a big sock
Trying to figure out integrate OpenAL and failing
Just like OpenGL my ass
yesterday, by Sock
@Calvin'sHobbies I'm sorry, but I'm extra small :P
so many buffers
@Sock I don't know what this means
18:40
@Calvin'sHobbies I've grown
I suspect @Sock is @Mego
I don't know why, but the art style of their avatars look similar
@Sock Socks don't grow.
@quartata Maybe the penguin's (@Mego) sock is @Sock.
1000
4
@Sock I don't get it.
Now it looks like my post has 1000 stars!
18:44
@Sock lol
Wait a second....
@quartata Look in the leaderboard.
How did that get starred so fast?
You are a sock!
@Sock but no content..
Sock: Now it has 2 1000!
18:46
Yes, I got 3142 stars!
@quintopia Did you star my post?
And also: yay I managed to shorten my resplicate Truth-machine by a byte!
ResPlicate: the chimæric thing of the Plic!
1000000 One million stars!
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18:49
@Sock The first person who starred this will be the main account of Sock. If this still worked then they could be revealed.
@quintopia I managed to shorten my BotEngine infinite binary counter by 8.
@Calvin'sHobbies I beg of you not to bring that bot to the chat.
Mod tools confirm that @Sock is, indeed, a sock. Of a regular in chat. :P
(and no, it's not @AlexA.)
Hahaha.
@Calvin'sHobbies Tell me what you want in Minecraft (the PPCG server) and I will give it to you.
18:53
Now if you'll excuse me for a minute or so I need to let my browser update
@SuperJedi224 Internet Explorer? :P
0
A: Count up forever

TheDoctorMarbelous, 5573 Printing decimals is a pain!! Definitely not winning with this one, but I though I'd give it a shot. I hope it's ok that it pads the output to 40 zeros (to fit 2^128). 00 @1 ++ /\ .. @1 .. Dp :Dp }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 }0 ...

@Sock Well that narrows it down to 20 or so people
@Calvin'sHobbies I will give you my username later, maybe tomorrow (I forgot it...) I have not yet been whitelisted......
i'm losing this challenge :{
18:56
@Sock Chrome
Anonymous
I don't have a sock, why would I have a sock?
Anonymous
I am a sock obviously
Anonymous
@ΚριτικσιΛίθος Myself
Anonymous
Sockception
Anonymous
19:08
I am my own sock
19:19
aaughh
carrot
marbelous only supports bytes ;(
Anonymous
Solution: we need to create an extension called marbbelous, which supports 2-byte characters
Anonymous
(or just has two-byte marbbles that are output as 2 characters)
Anonymous
19:24
And then further extend it to the mar(b*n)elous family of languages, which each support n-byte marbles
2^128 is ... more than 16 bytes?
Anonymous
128/8
Anonymous
So 16 for [0,2^128)
Anonymous
Which means you need at least 17 bytes to qualify
Bye
Anonymous
19:29
marbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbelous
0
Q: Spherical excess of a triangle

pawel.boczarskiSpherical excess of a triangle As we all know, the sum of angles of any planar triangle is equal to 180 degrees. However, for a spherical triangle, the sum of angles is always greater than 180 degrees. The difference between the sum of the spherical triangle angles and 180 degrees is called sph...

dahling you look mahbelous
@quintopia each marble can only handle one byte, and i'd have to handle carrying manually
oh good challenge
@TheDoctor I'm thinking of doing something similar with Aubergine
(Basically storing the numbers as characters in the program, and letting the beginning of the program get overwritten with successively larger numbers. The program will crash when the number overflows into the critical loop, but as long as the critical loop starts AFTER byte 18, I'm meeting the challenge requirements.)
well...byte 19 i guess. I'll need the second byte for the separator character.
HEY THE 19TH BYTE WHAT A COINCIDENCE
I'm back
19:41
Good, I needed another q-person to take my place, as I'm leaving now.
I still think Sock is Mego
@quintopia We Qs gotta stick together
It's rough, being the most underappreciated letter
Would love to! But gotta go
Oh, the count up forever challenge specifically permits Unary. Which means I can adapt my ResPlicate Unary Counter with minimal changes.
Nono bad quintopia. Time to go. Go.
Anonymous
@quartata There's an easy proof that Sock is not me.
@Mego rly
Anonymous
49 mins ago, by Sock
@Calvin'sHobbies I will give you my username later, maybe tomorrow (I forgot it...) I have not yet been whitelisted......
Anonymous
19:45
I am whitelisted on the PPCG minecraft server
@Mego proves nothing
Anonymous
So either Sock is not me, or I have an alt minecraft account that I'm using specifically to make it look less like I am Sock
Anonymous
I'm too broke to buy another copy of minecraft
@Mego Maybe you're just lying about not being whitelisted yet.
I refuse to give up so easily
Anonymous
@quartata Once Sock's owner gets whitelisted it'll become clear
Anonymous
19:47
Also the mods could confirm that I'm not Sock :P
Anonymous
(unless I'm a modsock, which would be an even bigger issue)
You know, I actually thought of who it could be then
Anonymous
I think I know who it is, but I'm not going to voice my suspicion
Anonymous
Because frankly I don't care, I just assume all socks are Alex's
@Mego haha
Anonymous
19:50
Especially NotDoorknob and DoorHandle
@Mego And Thatha.
Anonymous
@quartata Well duh, everyone knows that one
haha, I ruined the Pi value for you guys, no need to thank me :)
Too bad he doesn't have enough rep to talk...
@Optimizer D:<
Also, its not one million, but 20+ million. @Sock needs to learn to count.
Anonymous
19:53
@quartata I thought rep wasn't needed in chat
Anonymous
Oh
Anonymous
That's lame
@Optimizer Socks can't count silly they don't have fingers
you speciesist
Anonymous
19:54
@quartata Seriously doesn't have fingers either but 1W;.u
socks can follow their dreams
fingers wont help count to million anyways
@Mego Rotor has fingers, which is why it can 1{^[1+}|
hey all!

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